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good evening councillors and gallery and

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welcome to the council meeting of the

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second of may 2022

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my name is councillor Jami Klisaris

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mayor of the city of Stonnington

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i would like to start to start by

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acknowledging that we are meeting on the

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traditional lands of the Wurundjeri

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Woi Wurrung & Bunurong people of the East

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Kulin nations and pay our respect to

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their elders past present and emerging

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we extend that respect to all aboriginal

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and torres strait islander peoples and

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acknowledge their living connection to

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country relationship with the land and

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all living things extending back tens of

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thousands of years

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we are reminded that as councillors we

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are bound by our oath of office to

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undertake the duties of councillor in

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the best interests of the people of the

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city of Stonnington and to faithfully and

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impartially carry out functions powers

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authorities and discretions vested in us

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under the local government act and any

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other development act

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i would like to welcome those in

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attendance in our gallery this evening

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is the first time we've had a gallery in

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probably more than six or even eight

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months it's great to be able to open our

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doors um to to the community and i

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welcome anyone who may be watching

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virtually from home

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i'd like to begin by introducing my

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fellow councillors to my right

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councillor Kate Hely from northward

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councillor Nicki Batagol from south

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florida councillor Alexander Lew from

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eastward councillor Marcia Griffin from

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north ward

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councillor Matthew Koce from northward

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councillor Melina Sehr from southport

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councillor Mike Scott from southport and

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councillor Polly Morgan from eastwood

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and to my right is the chief executive

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officer miss Jacqie Weatherall we are now

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asked to please introduce our staff

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thank you madam mayor to my right is

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Judy Hogan city support

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Mr Martin.......

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senior finance officer

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galachi chief finance officer we've got

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Miss Alex Santiagos who is acting

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director planning advice Mr Greg Curcio

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who is

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chief customer and transformation

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officer to my left is Mr James .... 

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acting director of the community

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wellbeing it's Tracy Limpens who is

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acting director of organisational

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capability and Mr Ian Mclaughlin who is

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acting director environment and

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infrastructure and to my left is mr

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david

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executive manager

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thank you newsworthy we'll move to

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apologies there are none this evening

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but are there any apologies to note for

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future council meetings councillors

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councillor scott thank

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any other apologies for council meetings

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no fantastic move to item five

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confirmation minutes of the previous

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meeting we've got minutes from the 11th

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of april 2022 is there a mover for those

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councillor healy and the secondary could

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i

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[Music]

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uh so i'm just trying to find the right

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page in item 8.3 it says that i seconded

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the motion for nine uh until growth it

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was actually council more than their

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second edition so thank you we'll check

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that any other corrections or questions

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to the minutes

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no i will take a vote all those in favor

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of adopting those with the change that's

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been raised please raise your hand

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anyone against that no that's harry

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thank you councillors item six

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disclosure of conflicts of interest are

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there any to disclose this evening

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councillors

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fantastic i can send these questions

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from the community we haven't received

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any questions for tonight's council

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meeting so we moved to item 8 our

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general business 8.1 is the draft budget

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2022-23 release for consultation i do

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know that we have an officer

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recommendation and an alternative

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recommendation but first i'll ask um the

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remover of the officer recommendation

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that oh

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scott

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recommendation that's before us and if

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you are you moving that counselor

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scott thank you councillor roofing is

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there a secondary for the alternative

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council

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um so council griffin can you just

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highlight what your change is um yes

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thank you mayor

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what i'm proposing

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is uh that we receive a report on the

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numbers who engage in the consultation

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and details around the demographics

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including the number of rate payers

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prior to budget adoption at the council

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meeting on tuesday the 14th of june

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thank you and would you like to speak to

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them

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thank you um i'll speak firstly speak to

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that and then i'll go back to more

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substance of the motion

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may the reason that i'm suggesting this

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is because in the past we've had

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consultation people coming into the

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council chamber we had greater

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oversight really of the type of

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consultations we were doing and i always

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get concerned about online consultation

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because i don't know exactly how we

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define

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who is being consulted are they

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identifying themselves as residents and

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rate payers

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so that's really what i want to be

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assured of because this budget is really

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important and after all rate payers

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contribute 100 million to our income at

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council so i'd like to know that we have

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a very good uh showing of rate payers in

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the consultation

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um with regard to the draft budget

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itself

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and thanks to the finance department for

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the detailed clarity i mean this is the

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budget

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this is incredible a credible amount of

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work it's it's sorry i'm such a paper

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person but i am

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um

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so this motion is just putting this

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draft budget out for consultation and

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inviting submissions from the community

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i'm in favor of that

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but my concern around the budget is

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although we keep hearing about more

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challenging economic and financial

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environment there are no signs here of

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any focus on cost cuts or increased

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productivity yet again council is

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relying on general rates increase and

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yes i understand that stonington has a

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lower rates in the dollar than

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neighbouring council councils but i

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always ask why can't stonington be a

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leader not a follower it seems ironic to

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me that the proposed increase in rates

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will bring an additional 1.75 million

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into general rates but simply halving

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the expenditure on legal and consulting

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fees of 3.2 million would save 1.6

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million i'm just putting that into

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perspective almost the whole of the

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rates increase and therefore the need

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for the rates increase i think smart

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budgets budgets look at two sides of the

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ledger and i feel that this budget is

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not sufficiently concerned with the cost

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cutting and i know that our community is

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still suffering from covert and the

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effects of covert businesses are still

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being impacted

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but i'll speak more to that detail when

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the draft budget returns from community

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consultation and i support this draft

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going out for consultation with that

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amendment thank you councillor griffin

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councillor

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as the second guy would you like to

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speak i'll just reserve my right at the

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moment

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the

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amendment asks to receive a report on

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the numbers who engage in the

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consultation

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is that the whole constant consultation

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like all steps or just the from now

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going out to

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unlike this total number of people that

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engage in any any platform any capacity

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can i ask the questions yes

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i just note that the

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amendment um looks at including the

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number of rate payers are we also

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looking at the number of businesses and

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residents as well or is it only

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ratepayers at this amendment we're

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saying reports on the numbers who engage

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in the consultation yeah and details

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around the demographics including the

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number of ratepayers but not exclusive

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too no no including them

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i'll go through the ceo um we would get

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that sort of information from the

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consultation correct yes that's correct

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any discussion on the draft budget

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council

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thank you um because of publix here i'll

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stand

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um

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i'm voting against sending this budget

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out for release my reason for this is

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that the budget delivers a 1.75

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rate increase

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at a time when inflation and the cost of

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living is skyrocketed governments at

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every level need to do more to place

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downward pressure on inflation and

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decrease spending local councils across

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victoria are not even attempting this

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task here at stonington during my term

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rates will have risen by 5.25

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this despite many councillors being

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elected on platforms to keep rates low

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for increased value for money

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the rate rise comes on top of

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stonington's new developer contribution

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tax which is a local government tax that

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will be disproportionately passed on to

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new first home buyers as well as the

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removal of covered rates concessions for

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pensioners and low-income earners yet

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again those who can afford it the least

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will be hit the hardest

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i do concede that compared to burandara

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glen ira and port phillip our rates are

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relatively low

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however only councillors see coast and

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clozaris can take credit for this

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our low rates come from the hard work

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council has put in prior to rate capping

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being introduced

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we've given up completely on this task

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this task has now been completely

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delegated to the state government

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the fact that our neighbours are also

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charging exorbitantly high rates is not

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an excuse for stonington to continue to

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keep putting rates up

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we should aspire not just to have low

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rates but to be the lowest rate in

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council in victoria

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what is it that monash can do that we

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can't

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rate cuts will not necessarily result in

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a revenue drop as low rates will serve

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to drive investment boost business

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confidence and make stollington a more

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desirable place to leave and shop

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this in turn will deliver lower

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residential rents more economic activity

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in the municipality and will increase

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our revenue from fees and charges

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this budget is not ready for committee

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consultation because it's been designed

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with the wrong instructions from

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councillors

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i would send the draft budget back to

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offices and tell them to design a budget

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which removes long-term dependency on

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rate increases

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i would also tell the ceo to finalize

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the eba negotiations before sending the

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budget out to the community so as to

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deliver so as to deliver much-needed pay

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rises in exchange from productivity

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gains

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morale is always low when ebas remain

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unresolved

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finally we need to restructure our

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service delivery model we need to be

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less heavy more customer focused and get

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back to the core business of local

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government

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we have no money to waste on white

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virtue signaling or counsellor invited

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which has to date dominated the

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attention of this council and distracted

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us from our call of duties

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let's get back to basics we need lower

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rates smaller government and a stronger

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focus on our local community

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thank you council luke any further

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discussion on the budget counselor kelly

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thank you um i'd like to acknowledge and

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i think it is indicated somewhat on the

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alternative as well the significant

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stakeholder consultation that's informed

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this budget so officers work directly

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with the community throughout the

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process to ensure that the concerns and

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aspirations understood and considered

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and provided feedback on public and how

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public inputs influence those decisions

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and this included drawing upon nine

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months of in-depth conversations with

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the community that informed our council

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plan for 2021 to 25

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community participation in the budget

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simulation program empower people to

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help prioritise spending across

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operational capital

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initiatives

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and the engagement program has so far

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reached 85 over 85 000 people and

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presented key priorities which have been

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integrated into this draft budget

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following this draft being approved

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hopefully tonight it will also conduct

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online focus groups and and still invite

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informal submissions by armstrollington

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kenneth strongton

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so it could be argued that this draft

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budget has been created with more

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community involvement than ever before

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while still seeking even more input

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on another point as part of assessing

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the robustness of the budget we look at

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a lot of ratios and benchmarks with um

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comparison other councils and with

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election times coming up i think it's

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therefore worth pointing out how little

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stonington has historically received in

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grants versus other neighborhood

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neighbouring council areas so on average

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something's grant's income was about

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five six percent of total income whereas

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burundara and port phillip are about six

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to eight percent and yara glenara and

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monash have about 10 to 15

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in other words some of our neighboring

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council areas receive up to three times

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more grant funding from state and

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federal than stonington does

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and this is especially significant as we

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have this

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you know some of the lowest rates in in

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victoria still therefore i really will

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be very keenly interested to see what

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support for stonington comes forth in

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the upcoming federal and state elections

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so over the last two years um as primer

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and our current may have been working

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quite hard to make it clearer to state

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and federal candidates and members what

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investments we'd like help with

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achieving through our endorsed advocacy

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priorities and we've already heard that

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the liberals have committed about 2.1

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million dollars and labor has committed

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about 1.25 million and i expect there

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will be more announcements in the next

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few weeks and that state elections will

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be key to finding more funder support

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funding support

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generally i still really look forward

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like this is this is a motion to let the

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community give us more feedback so i

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really look forward to hearing from

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residents and ratepayers and this next

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round of feedback to help evolve the

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budget to suit the needs and aspirations

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of our community before it's actually

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adopted thank you thank you

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will any other councillors like to speak

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to the draft budget

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just a couple of quick things to say and

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the council we made a good point we've

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always been a low-rated council so when

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rate capping came in we were coming off

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a lower base

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some councils like white horse put their

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rates up i think it was like nine

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percent or eight percent just before the

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rate cap came in to get their base up

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and that keeps giving once you've got a

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higher rate in the dollar

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you know a two percent increase on on

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that is higher than a two percent

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increase on a lesser rate base so you

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know we're lower rated than pretty much

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every case i think we're even lower

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rated than the city of monash i know

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perhaps i'd seen at the last budget

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indicated we had been lower than the

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city of monash and don't forget we rate

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separately for commercial and

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residential so sometimes there is a bit

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of a shift between the two based on

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property valuations

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the end of the day

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rate capping is a very arbitrary process

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so it doesn't take into account the

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historical aspect of us always being a

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lower rated council and coming off a

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lower base it's set by the essential

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services commission that basically says

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to keep your head just above water on an

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even keel this is the absolute minimum

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the essential service commission is

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going to let you have and given the

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given the inflation

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on on input costs like concrete on

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construction materials for our roads

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like asphalt and so forth the

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inflationary that they are going up at a

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much higher rate than the essential

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service commissioner is allowing rates

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to go up and that's that's a key

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challenge for the city i don't think the

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city of stonington necessarily wants to

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have the lowest rates you've got to be

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careful what you wish for sometimes the

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lowest rates can mean you've got the

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poorest services you don't have the best

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infrastructure you're behind on your

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sports facilities your recreation

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facilities

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some of the social services that are

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available in the city so you've got to

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be careful what you wish for you've got

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to try and get that balance right

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between providing really quality

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services that our residents expect and

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meeting their expectations is also being

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prudent which i think the city of

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scotland has always been proven

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financially

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and that's been shown we've already

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surveyed our community quite extensively

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we know that a couple of the key

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priorities is open space that's one of

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the key priorities the other key

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priority that our community is telling

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us is climate change that's another one

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and that's done through um

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through sort of surveys that have been

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run through council so we've got to

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listen to our community we've already

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started consulting we've gone through a

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couple of strategy sessions with staff

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and most councillors have participated

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in that this has come up with a draft

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the draft then goes out to community

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consultation and we see what comes back

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and i'll be really interested to hear

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what the community has to say on the

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draft thank you council hosts what any

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other council would like to speak to the

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motion

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would you like to exercise your right

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the second council said um thank you

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madam men i will stand um also following

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councillor lou some

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suggestion uh so madame

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look i'm happy to second this alternate

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motion so firstly

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i think most speakers have spoken to the

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budget itself um this council hasn't

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formed a position on the budget

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um these are this hasn't been put

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together by wrong instructions from

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counsellors this is um a good balanced

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approach at this point in time

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we're yet to hear from our community and

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that is what this motion is about it's

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about putting it out to our community to

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exhibit it as required under the act

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invite the submissions last year we had

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a very long evening listening to a

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number of submissions which we many of

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which we took on board and adopted in

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the budget that we adopted last year so

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this is an opportunity

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as we said hear from the community

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and um and we may make changes to what's

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proposed that's the whole intent of this

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motion so let's not jump the gun and

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assume that this is where we're going to

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land

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um and also in addition to the amendment

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as proposed by councillor griffin

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to receive the report we get that

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information anyway but it's just nice to

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reiterate it for those residents that do

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do have an interest in our budget

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but they do you know understand that

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their feedback is respected we do look

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at it in great detail and then it's

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called out specifically in this amended

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motion

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thank you council said would any other

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speakers like to speak

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counselor griffin oh just very quickly

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me that this is about sending the uh

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draft budget out for exhibition

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uh and inviting submissions and i'm

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particularly interested to know about

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the details of how many rate payers etc

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because i'm firmly have a belief that

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it's their money uh and as i said i will

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speak uh at greater length about the

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budget when we get those submissions

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back from our community thank you

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thank you okay so counselors will

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proceed

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and the division has been called

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so all those in favor please raise your

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hands and all those against and we'll

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cast it again to the division so all

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those in favor

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councillors healey babagal griffin coast

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ser scott morgan and osiris and all

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those against councillor lou so the

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draft budget is carried for public

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consultation

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thank you councillors we move to item

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8.2 the best value program

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of which i also know we have an

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alternative recommendation um counselor

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healy or would you like to move the

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officer recommendation and is there a

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seconder for the officer recommendation

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council of coasts so thank you

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councilman thank you

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um i'm really excited to see the

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proposal that i developed during the

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council election campaign in 2020 come

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to life through the best value program i

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recall in the first week of becoming

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counsellor taking my little white paper

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for this program around every council

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around this table and to the ceo

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describing as one of the key areas i

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want to see implemented whilst in

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council

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its delivery is also reflected in our

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council plan and our annual plan and it

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responds proactively to the local

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government's act requiring continuous

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improvement

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and now we have it before us to endorse

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the program is a thorough best practice

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approach to improving the efficiency of

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services that we provide to our

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community i believe it's also a first in

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the victorian local government

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much of the plan is being taken from

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international best practices with

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learnings from councils like auckland

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city council who have seen extremely

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strong benefits from the process and the

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efficiencies of many millions of dollars

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the stollington team have refined this

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program to better deliver on the

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aspirations of our community

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to ensure that we're not only looking at

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financial benefits of service

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improvement but also evolving community

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expectations and environmental

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sustainability

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the desire for a balanced multiple

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bottom line approach to value for money

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is really important it recognises that

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procuring goods and providing services

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does not necessarily mean simply

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stripping out costs but rather the

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pursuit of the best possible outcome for

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the total cost of ownership and

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acknowledges our responsibility to care

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for our current and future residents to

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value our employees and to protect the

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environment and deal fairly suppliers

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this balance is now expected of any

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australian corporation and is especially

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important as a local government

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the best value program will give the

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people of stonington confidence that

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they are getting high quality services

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for good value for money and ensures

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that we embed continuous innovation and

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keep striving to be a cost-effective

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organisation continually questioning of

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questioning if there's a better way to

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do something

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i understand that once this approach is

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approved officers will begin to look to

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appoint the independence reference group

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and this reference group is likely to be

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filled by local experts who wish to

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provide their business expertise to

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council they could possibly include

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highly experienced retired big4

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consultants engineers asset managers who

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are able to challenge business

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assumptions in the local government

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sector and encourage a culture of

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continuous innovation

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i really look forward to seeing who's

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appointed into this inaugural into these

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inaugural roles

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i congratulate all those who've worked

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so hard to bring this program to

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fruition and look forward to seeing the

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results of the program thank you

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councillor

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councillor coast as the secondary would

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you like to see i'll reserve my ride

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open it up for discussion is there

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discussion with questions counselor

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um thank you madam um

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in george orwell's book 1984 he

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introduced the term double thick

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so double think

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means

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simultaneously accepting two conflicting

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beliefs as truth this best value program

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of madame merc is double thick it's

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saying let's spend

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five hundred thousand dollars

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with no guarantee as to what return we

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will ever get

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on a speculative exercise

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to determine whether we can get better

00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.240
value

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councils have an obligation

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to act

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in best value

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to not waste rate payers money in any

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event

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so this idea that um that we go and we

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spend half a million dollars looking for

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savings not knowing whether there are

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any savings

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it just

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doesn't make sense i think it could be

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renamed the worst value program let's

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spend five hundred thousand dollars on

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council officers looking for savings and

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they may or they may not come up with

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something

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thank you

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actually like i'm rising to request a

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deferral on this matter i think it

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requires further discussion around the

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council of the table

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um i think i'm concerned i think it's a

00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:17.359
good point that's made

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we all we're all in here for the right

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reasons to get the best value for our

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dollar so if it requires a further

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discussion and briefing that may ask um

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and take a second to also be deferred

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for one cycle let's say the guy comes

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if i'm allowed to

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yes

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how long sorry one or two cycles thank

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you

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i suggested

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yeah where it makes sense i know we've

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got some very paint agendas coming up so

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so

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essentially we give it the time when it

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deserves in a breathing matter we'll say

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for up to two cycles and so cancel it

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close

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um i know that there are upcoming

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programs planned for this is this going

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to negatively affect those programs

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which are in the pipeline

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i swear we'll be able to answer

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yeah

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[Music]

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i think it's got merit but it's worthy

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that i'm taking back to briefing having

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heard some of the concerns councillor

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lou has mentioned i know there's another

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um alternate to support this as well um

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so clearly other councillors are

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supportive but maybe we just need to

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thresh it out a little bit more at

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briefing

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with offices okay are there any other

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comments in relation to the deferral

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oh no just that i'm very happy about it

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deferral this is a this is a huge spend

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and i've given i've read through this

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plan very extensively it's very

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complicated

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and i'm just not clear that where it's

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worked and what sort of return on

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investment it has achieved and so we're

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just being thrown into this with you

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know nearly half a million dollar 500

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000 spend without sufficient

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understanding of where this has worked

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what it has returned and what it could

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possibly return to stonington

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any other views on the referral

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counselors

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okay um council said you need to sum up

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on the deferral

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so we'll put the deferral to the vote

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for

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up to two cycles all those in favor of

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the deferral

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that's carried unanimously thank you

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councillors we'll move to item 8.3

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the hard waste collection service

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and i please seek a movement for that so

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i think i saw

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councillor coast and seconded by

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councillor griffin thank you council

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post ah thank you mayor so

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this report is basically to keep the

00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:06.880
status closed so we're approving

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retaining the biannual blanket hard

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waste collection during autumn and

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spring so twice a year

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we undertook an extensive consultation

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to see if there was a preference in our

00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:19.039
community for an on-call service so

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you know you just ring and book to have

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:21.759
your hard rubbish collected or whether

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there was a preference for continuing

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the the biannual service that we've

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currently got

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there was um actually very the survey

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showed there was very strong awareness

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of the current service so 91 awareness

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and staggeringly an 89 satisfaction of

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the current service so you really get

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:39.359
such strong figures if you're in

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business and you get the

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.079
89

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net promoter score or something similar

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.000
satisfaction score you'd be absolutely

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wrapped so it shows our city works

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people are doing a fantastic job we did

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a combination of an online survey where

00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.680
people could opt in and give their views

00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.599
but we also did a telephone telephone

00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.599
survey that was representative of the

00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:01.119
community so i could get a really good

00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:02.799
snapshot of what different age groups

00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.039
and demographics thought across the city

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we had

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.440
43 support on the phone survey for the

00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:13.279
status quo and 46 online support so the

00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:15.599
two sort of broadly married up and that

00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.599
was the the largest response was in

00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.720
favour of that the blanket collection

00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.519
i'm really actually pleased that um that

00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:25.680
the surveys have reinforced what i

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suspected would be the result um i

00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.519
thought the community would have a

00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.480
preference for the biannual service you

00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.319
know the two services a year the blanket

00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:35.279
service

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but um we do from time to time get

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.680
residents contact us and say they want a

00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:40.720
you know

00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.880
a service where they can call and book

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.119
and we do get some pressure from some in

00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.039
the local community this reaffirms that

00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.559
we're actually delivering the service

00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.640
that most people really want

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.200
and look forward to so

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.599
we can go forward with a high degree of

00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:56.960
confidence that this is what our

00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:58.960
community wants that we're in tune with

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their expectations on this

00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.119
um there's a contract that was signed on

00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.480
the 21st of in august 2021

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.960
um it's the value of approximately 1.2

00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:10.559
million dollars per annum approximately

00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.119
3.6 million over the three-year period

00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:14.480
and so this is the service that will be

00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:15.519
continuing

00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.640
thank you

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and council griffin

00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:20.400
um thank you mayor just a couple more

00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.000
points but that's pretty comprehensive

00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.480
the way council of coast has put that

00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.319
that this hard waste collection contract

00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.480
has the flexibility to introduce a book

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.039
service should the situation change

00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:32.880
um and that council officers will

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.880
continue to investigate hard waste

00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.440
options to improve resource recovery i

00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.279
think you know we're on this constant

00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.440
improvement about resource recovery it's

00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.680
very important i love the hard waste

00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:44.799
collection

00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:46.799
i'm a minimalist i have nothing to put

00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.880
in it but i love seeing what everyone

00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.799
else puts in it and i love the way

00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.279
people drive around from other areas

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.519
collecting goods from our hard waste

00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.359
collection

00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.599
and i want to really thank mr kiernan

00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:01.839
because you know this last hard waste

00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.920
collection he's not here tonight but i'm

00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.640
sure he'll be if not watching um someone

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.799
will pass on the message the hard waste

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.880
collection was so efficient this year we

00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.880
had a few issues last year because of

00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.279
covert this year it was so efficient so

00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.960
there wasn't stuff lying around

00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.119
everywhere probably my only suggestion

00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.880
would be to even tighten up the

00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.200
timelines about when people can put

00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:24.960
rubbish out and when it's collected

00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.279
probably not a week a few days i love

00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:28.880
the hard waste collection and i thought

00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.200
this was one of the best surveys that we

00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.279
had done in stonington it was really

00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.319
clear

00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.359
it was a great outcome thank you

00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.039
here

00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.680
um so essentially it just says how much

00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.400
we really love our hardware selection um

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.400
because i know how exciting it is to get

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:47.680
one of those brochures in your litter

00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.240
box twice a year it's this invitation to

00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.000
dive into your home give us really great

00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.160
clean out to cleanse the marine marie

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.720
cup combo yourself into the sort of

00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:58.160
orderly bliss

00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:59.759
um but the joy in this moment our

00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:01.279
calendars is not really about seeing

00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.880
your stuff on the nature strip it's

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.720
about cleansing your home things that no

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.559
longer start doing

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.079
and creating a sense of water and

00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:09.680
control in your life

00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.200
and we also know that a lot of what we

00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.799
put on our nature strips is actually a

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.640
really good condition and it could be

00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.960
used again we balance that knowledge

00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.960
with this wistful hope that what you're

00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.880
doing is providing a sort of offering to

00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.799
your neighborhood with the expectation

00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:24.799
that someone might possibly realize the

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.119
object's worth and take that take that

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:28.400
home with them

00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.400
um and this is a bit of a hopeful

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.079
process and you sort of have conjure up

00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:33.839
with some good done good karma and

00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.440
brownie points if someone's picked up

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.599
something from your nature strip but

00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.119
with this in mind i'd like to invite

00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.880
people to imagine that the future of

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:42.799
hard waste collection could be a little

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.240
bit different instead of a grocery

00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.319
litter box primarily focus on wanting

00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.240
you to throw out your excess waste onto

00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:50.079
the nature strip that we invite you to

00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.720
participate in twice really big clean up

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.400
instead of the main message being about

00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.319
depositing stuff onto the nature strip

00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.720
for recycling landfill we prioritize

00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.480
messages about how the output of your

00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.079
big cleanup can be repaired sold donated

00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:05.599
instead of throwing away a perfectly

00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:06.960
functional

00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.519
kettle or tv into the the offering table

00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:11.119
of the nature strip we could provide

00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.039
like a works okay drop off being used at

00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.119
our town halls letting people you know

00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:16.799
potentially take these items as well

00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.400
instead of throwing their kids bikes on

00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:19.680
the nature strip we can tell you about

00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.279
how you could donate them to

00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.119
organizations like back to bikes which

00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.440
refurbishes used old bikes and gives

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.440
them to those in need and instead of

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.279
chucking that amazing wooden train set

00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:30.880
because you don't know anyone with kids

00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.880
anymore you can suggest that you donate

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.039
it to the local toy library

00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.960
so culturally i think we need to move

00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.200
focus away from the disposal

00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.799
of the hardware collection being the

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.680
headline to a message of reducing

00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.079
reusing repairing reduction and donation

00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.920
we can still continue to celebrate the

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.839
joy of the big clean out twice a year

00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:51.680
and it's beloved place in the calendar

00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.160
of every household but we need to evolve

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.920
how we treat all waste and we need to

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.759
continue to see council take a

00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.440
leadership position and that cultural

00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.759
change so i see this report as a

00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:03.440
confirmation about how beloved and

00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.359
appreciative hard waste is in the

00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.839
calendars of residents but offer hope

00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:08.640
that

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.480
we can celebrate this as a festival of

00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.240
the big clean up going forward in a

00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.359
different way

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.799
thank you

00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.960
thank you councillor haley um council

00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.319
scott i have a question through you med

00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.480
the third recommendation that council

00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.240
know the hard waste collection

00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.400
contractors flexibility to introduce a

00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.480
book service

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.039
i'm just wondering if um that

00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.039
would come back to council for a

00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.079
decision

00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.640
yes so you mean definitely council was

00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.599
to a thing of a mind in the future to go

00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.920
to a service then that would be subject

00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.319
to a council resolution but we've built

00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.640
the flexibility into the contract that

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.559
should the community's views change

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.799
while this contract is there that this

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.119
allows us the opportunity to take that

00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.880
great thank you

00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.640
would anyone like to speak councillor

00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:58.880
morgan for you mayor um i just wanted to

00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.720
encourage what other councils had said

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.640
but also to know and build upon our

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.359
guest that council griffin

00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.480
mentioned that this will look at how you

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.880
can potentially reduce waste or look at

00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:12.960
other collection options and one thing i

00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:14.400
do know is that there's been a lot of

00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.960
feedback about polystyrene and

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.039
mattresses and things like that and

00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.360
perhaps in the future we might be able

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.039
to uh recycle them or dispose of them

00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.039
more effectively or efficiently but i

00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.639
also wanted to note that sonnington

00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.239
offers uh

00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.719
our wonderful hard waste transfer

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.559
station like sillington uh transfer

00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.480
station where people can go

00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.119
and local residents can often pull free

00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.719
or a minimal cost dispose of any waste

00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.599
in between collection times so encourage

00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.840
community members if they've got things

00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.360
they need to get rid of between the two

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:50.719
collection times they can make use of

00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.039
that service there's no need to engage

00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:54.639
in dumping of

00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.880
your waste it's very simple to go and

00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.039
take it down to that transfer station

00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.239
and

00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.719
save council money and also help the

00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.239
environment by making sure these

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:05.840
materials are disposed of most

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.320
appropriately and with uh maximum

00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.400
reduction in waste and

00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.639
the most increase in reuse of those

00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.239
materials

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.480
thank you would any other counsellors

00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.320
like to speak to the motion

00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.679
council about a goal

00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.360
thank you mayor i won't repeat anything

00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.639
that's been said as it's all um

00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:25.920
i agree with everything that's been said

00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.599
except for the fact that i actually was

00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.840
surprised i thought that the results

00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.280
would come back saying that there was a

00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.440
preference for at least a hybrid if not

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.079
to double booked service so but that's

00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:37.519
what i thought and i've been proven

00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.320
wrong uh 13 people shy of two and a half

00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.239
thousand people have

00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.000
told us what they think and that's an

00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.639
extraordinary amount of people to hear

00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:48.000
back from and so actually just what i

00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.079
wanted to say was thank you to everyone

00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:51.199
who took the time to provide the

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.559
feedback thank you to the officers as

00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.360
well for continuing to go out and and i

00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.960
know that there were lots of lots of

00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.719
pushes from various councils including

00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.559
councillor griffin to try new ways to

00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.800
try and get that community voice heard

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.559
and we really did hear it loud and clear

00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.920
here if it ain't broke

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.519
thank you

00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.599
we'll go back to you counselor chris to

00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:13.519
summer yeah so look i think the really

00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.760
good points made i guess it's a case of

00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.440
you know the current system is serving

00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.039
the community well it's a much loved

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.000
system um it's working i think in terms

00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.159
of the um the consultations probably

00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.320
best practice for us in terms of the

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.480
consultation around this and it's made

00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.639
the decision making really really easy

00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.239
and it's really pleasing too that you

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:33.840
know both the online and the phone

00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.480
survey results were quite similar

00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.039
i don't think we'll need to um to use

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.360
that cause in the contract for an actual

00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:42.960
service because i think you know we're

00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.239
going to be really well served with what

00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.280
we've got

00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:46.960
and um

00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.159
also you know

00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.320
in terms of recycling and that yes we

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.320
need to we need to do things as smart as

00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.800
we can to avoid things going to landfill

00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.960
i think one of the things about this

00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.280
system is if someone sees something that

00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.199
they can reuse in someone else's trash

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.920
it often gets reused and a lot of it

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.159
actually disappears before before it's

00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.559
picked up by council as well so i'm

00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.280
really pleased at the result and um

00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.760
nothing further thank you we'll proceed

00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.519
to devote all those in favor please

00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.039
raise your hands that's carrie

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:18.639
unanimously thank you so much

00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:19.920
councillors

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.920
we'll move to planning so eight point

00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.480
four is one three zero one dandenong

00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.320
road north east i do know there is an

00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.320
alternative recommendation before us but

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:29.840
first i'll ask if there's a mover of the

00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.079
officer recommendation

00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.920
so that lapses so it's the remover of

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.000
the alternative councilor lou and the

00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.079
secondary councillor morgan thank you

00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.079
councillor wu

00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.400
um thank you madam mayor um look i'll be

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.320
brief because it's it's planning and

00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.920
this is is pretty simple um

00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.320
there's uh

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.480
at this stage is to apply the law um but

00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.280
to apply it with taking into account the

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.199
views of the local community

00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.599
and the local community has spoken very

00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.639
strongly in respect of this particular

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.079
application

00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.639
this is a this will be a tricky one at

00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.519
bcat because it is on dandelion road

00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.760
but most of the

00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.000
the proposed developments have a

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.320
frontage of mill around

00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.599
so

00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.280
for that reason

00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:30.880
i'm prepared to

00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.199
move this notice of refusal

00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:34.320
the

00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.840
for the

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.440
alternative recommendation states the

00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.599
grounds

00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:42.079
i would expect that the

00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.880
applicant may wish to appeal this map

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.599
this refusal to vcat and it may be that

00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.280
throughout that process there's some

00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.360
form of negotiation where something

00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.320
better than what we've got before us is

00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.760
eventually put forward but at the moment

00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.199
there's been too much to squeeze into a

00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:02.880
small block

00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.480
and

00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:05.679
it has

00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.440
not been done to the satisfaction of the

00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.920
local residents and more discussion

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.440
really needs to take place between the

00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.039
local residents and the developer to

00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.440
find the right solution we haven't got

00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.760
to it at this point so i'm moving this

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.840
notice of refusal

00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.119
i would say to the residents watching

00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.679
do stay engaged in the process do go

00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.400
along to vcap do put your

00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.639
case forward because if you disengage

00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.239
from the process

00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.079
you may not get the outcome that you

00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:35.360
want

00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.440
thank you council alu and councilman

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.880
morgan as a secretary would you like to

00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.480
see yes for you man i wanted to um

00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:44.559
totally endorse what council has said

00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.559
and and that i very much agree with what

00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:48.559
he said on this matter and also to add

00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:49.360
that

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.079
uh one of the issues is is that

00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.800
although this property is on daniel road

00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.599
and facing danielle road in reality all

00:39:57.679 --> 00:39:59.599
the townhouses actually interface to

00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:01.199
milwaukee avenue

00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.599
milwaukee avenue is a very narrow street

00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.079
it's very much a suburban street

00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:06.960
and

00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.519
if this was one property along it would

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:11.840
not meet the criteria

00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.360
the setbacks

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.039
that you know they're judged as side

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.880
setbacks even though that is where the

00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.800
pedestrian access and car park access to

00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.280
each townhouse is based and it's about

00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.320
three metres i do note that the

00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:25.840
application

00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:26.880
applicant

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:27.920
um

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.920
has made some adjustments particularly

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.320
to townhouse number four however the

00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.559
visual bulk of having three-story

00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.519
townhouses only three metres set back

00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.840
from the residential street and although

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.280
technically

00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:42.639
standing on roads actually onto

00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:44.000
milwaukee avenue

00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.320
is really significant and it is a huge

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.159
cause of concern for residents and i

00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.400
think residents have a great ride to be

00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.400
concerned by that because there is

00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:53.920
nothing else like this on the lower

00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.039
avenue

00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.199
if the properties were facing and

00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.039
interfacing onto daniel road it would be

00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.159
a different matter i think would be

00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.760
really clear part ben

00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.320
but because of the visual bulk

00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.440
and the um transition into the rest of

00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.320
milwaukee avenue i personally feel that

00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.400
the current version of the plans is just

00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.639
not something i could support

00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:15.599
thank you

00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.519
would anyone else like to speak to the

00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.960
refusal counselors

00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:22.960
i know it's not my board but um 24

00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.960
objections is a lot of objections and i

00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:26.559
drove down miller today it's not a

00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.480
street that i knew previously but i

00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.159
drove down it today and i had to pull

00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.239
over twice to let cars come in the other

00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.559
direction so so it is a very narrow

00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.480
street that was really really obvious

00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.239
and and i can really understand the

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.559
reasoning behind the refusal thank you

00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:41.840
and um

00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.920
thank you mayor yes i i've passed this

00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.320
streak twice in the last week by a set

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.000
of circumstances and also i was very

00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.239
interested to see the street uh it's

00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.039
actually doesn't face on to daniel road

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.599
it faces onto a strip that faces onto

00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.840
daniel road and what i noticed about

00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:58.960
that

00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.840
that on today on that strip was that it

00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.079
was a very residential route of houses

00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.159
you know very low rise and i thought

00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.840
even on the dandenong side of things

00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.760
this would look really out of place out

00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.760
of character so apart from the street

00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.639
itself i felt i felt that uh you know i

00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.039
totally support the refusal for yours

00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:18.159
thank you

00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.400
for the comments

00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.559
counselor would you like to sum up

00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:24.000
um i don't think there's anything more

00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:25.440
that needs to be said

00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:26.880
we'll put it to the vote all those in

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.480
favor of the refusal please raise your

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.960
hands that's carried beyond sleep

00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.039
thank you councillors we'll move to item

00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.840
8.5 which is 11 howard street south

00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:36.800
yarra

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.320
um is there a mover for this

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.320
recommendation council healey and the

00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.480
secondary councillor griffin thank you

00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.400
councillor healey thank you so this

00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.320
proposal seeks to construct a ground

00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.079
first floor edition at the very existing

00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.320
dwelling along with addition um

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.960
above the existing garage and these

00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:54.880
additions are cited designed to reduce

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:56.960
any adverse amenity impacts to joining

00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:58.400
properties

00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:59.760
the officers consider the design

00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.280
appropriately responds to the preferred

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:02.239
neighborhood character in the

00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:03.840
surrounding context

00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:05.840
the contentious part of the design is

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.599
the construction of a studio above the

00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.760
existing garage and the officers support

00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.000
the creation of the studio however they

00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.760
don't support the terrorists around the

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.840
studio and the key reason for this is

00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.840
that in order to create screening for

00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:19.599
the neighborhood labor's privacy it

00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.400
would result in a fence that's up to

00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.039
4.35 metres high and this is an absurd

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.639
height although a couple of the

00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:27.920
neighbours have noted that they're okay

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.840
with the fence and it's tight as

00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.599
counters we need to take a long term

00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.599
view and i agree with the officers that

00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.440
it's not an optimal outcome for future

00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.559
neighbours even if the current

00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.320
neighbours think that it's okay

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.519
the neighbors can decide among

00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:40.960
themselves down the line if they still

00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.880
want to put up higher fences between the

00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.800
properties but it's a civil matter and

00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.400
it doesn't need to be part of this

00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:47.360
permit

00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.880
if it was part of this permit it would

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.119
lock them into if forever more to having

00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:55.760
these unnecessarily crazy high fences

00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.119
the area that the applicant was

00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:58.960
proposing to be as a terrorist could

00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:00.880
still be attractively landscaped to

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.559
provide a nice outlook without creating

00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:04.480
an opportunity to overlook the navy's

00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.639
properties therefore i fully support the

00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.719
office's recommendation thank you and

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:10.480
councillor griffin as the second one ah

00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.239
thank you mayor look this was a really

00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:13.920
interesting one because it was a very

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.800
heated consult meeting but i'm pleased

00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.800
to to learn that some of those

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.880
objectives have now come along come on

00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.360
board uh because a number of concessions

00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.199
have been made and as council media said

00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:26.400
this is one of those situations where

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.159
you have a very narrow single fronted

00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.679
victorian house with a long block and

00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.320
the concern about having a second story

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.639
on a garage being able to look into all

00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.760
these backyards so i totally understood

00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:41.199
where these objectives were coming from

00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.119
but it's really gratifying to know that

00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.239
there is now agreement by i think

00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:50.159
virtually all the objectives which is

00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.000
great

00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.599
and the other thing that i think is

00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.400
really important is that when people can

00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.960
develop these small townhouses it means

00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:00.079
they're going to live in them for a

00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:01.679
period of time hopefully and we should

00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.760
be encouraging

00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.119
know that some of these places were

00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:06.960
built a hundred plus years ago and are

00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.760
not all that suited to today's lifestyle

00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:12.079
so i always feel really encouraged when

00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.480
people are renovating these properties

00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.559
and in this case uh you know it is a

00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:18.559
beautiful area mainly single fronted

00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.800
victorian terraces i think this is a

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.039
really good outcome and i think you know

00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.199
everyone has come along with these uh

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.679
variations and amendments and well done

00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.679
to the planning department as usual for

00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.639
ensuring that on on the whole i think uh

00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.800
these objectives will be very happy with

00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.519
the outcome

00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:39.039
thank you

00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.360
i'll open it up uh council

00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.840
just to to add further to the previous

00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.159
discussion i guess the key

00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.199
points are on page 62 and 63 of the

00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.719
officers report which are the conditions

00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.519
so

00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.760
condition 1a is that the upper level

00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:55.199
terrorists above the garage to be

00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.360
deleted consistent with what council

00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:58.960
helia said

00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.719
also there's got to be confirmation of

00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.800
both sides of the bifold screening to

00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.960
the north facing balcony access from

00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.760
bedroom one will manually open and close

00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.280
together which is another condition

00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.679
added after the consultative meeting

00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.719
and there's also a 0.6 which

00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.480
is prior to occupation of the building

00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.119
fixed privacy screens in brackets not

00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.719
adhesive film because we know they can

00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:21.840
come off

00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.239
uh it is designed to limit overlooking

00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.239
as required by standard a15 cores 54.04

00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.320
in the accordance with the endorsed plan

00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:31.920
must be installed on the satisfaction

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.840
responsible authority to maintain to the

00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:35.599
satisfaction responsible authority

00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.599
thereafter for the life of the building

00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.239
so that um that addresses the issue of

00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.559
overlooking as well so look we got some

00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.000
really good feedback during the

00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.679
consultation process it was good to have

00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.840
a consultative meeting um that

00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:49.920
feedback's gone in an informal final

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.440
report and it's locked in there in

00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:52.719
conditions it will stay with this

00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.360
planning application forever so a really

00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.280
good outcome the best outcome we could

00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.079
get under the circumstances

00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.159
thank you would anyone like to comment

00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.280
on this application

00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:07.920
we're back in the online no need to sum

00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.519
up or i will proceed to the vote all

00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.599
those in favor

00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.400
carry the receipt thank you councillors

00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.960
we move to our final planning item eight

00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.360
point six which is four ten two hour

00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.519
tourer by doing that there are two

00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.159
alternative recommendations before us so

00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:25.679
um first i'll put the officer

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.400
recommendation if that lap says um then

00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.480
we can go with the first shelf hands for

00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.639
the alternate that is put first so first

00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:34.800
of all is the remover

00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.320
for the officer

00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.119
recommendation

00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.360
that lapses um did anybody like to move

00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.760
an alternative counselor and is there a

00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:45.440
second one for that council griffin so

00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.039
council press can you please state what

00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.760
your alternative is i can

00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.840
give it a read though um the council

00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.840
authorised officers of the notice

00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.239
to issue a notice of refusal

00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.400
just provide a summary but this is to

00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.639
refuse the planning application which is

00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:01.920
right up there on the screen for

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.239
everyone here to see it also online as

00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.320
well and feel free to speak to it thank

00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.719
you so we will be um what i'm asking

00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:09.440
like

00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:11.039
fellow councillors to support is a

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.360
refusal of this application i just feel

00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:14.960
it's an over development on the side

00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.199
it's quite a small site and particularly

00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:19.679
the interface into tin turn

00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.800
is not um is not consistent is my view

00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:24.000
and that's reflected under the

00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.880
conditions so um the reasons for refusal

00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:28.960
are set out in four points proposal

00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:30.960
fails to respect and is it odds with the

00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:32.960
existing naval character of the area and

00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:34.800
does not comply with enabled character

00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.800
objectives course 55021 and the detail

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:40.639
and the design detail objectives course

00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.239
5561

00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.119
to the height scale design sitting

00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.719
and the build form the proposal is

00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.320
inconsistent with enabled character of

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:49.840
the area in particular with tinton

00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.679
avenue and it's very unsympathetic to

00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:52.719
tintern

00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.559
uh the proposal will have unreasonable

00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:56.239
visual bulk impacts to neighbouring

00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.079
properties the development crowds are

00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.760
cited street boundaries and results in

00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:01.360
an excessive degree of israel bulk

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.280
presenting to tintin avenue and

00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:04.800
adjoining properties the development

00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.599
fails to comply with force 5331 street

00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.480
setbacks and course

00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.440
5541 side and rear setbacks so look it's

00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.519
a it's a four-story apartment building

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.840
it's got a rooftop terrace as well

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:19.760
there's not much open space on the site

00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:21.119
so there's stuck it on the roof and we

00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:22.960
all know what happens with noise on

00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.719
these rooftop terraces they carry

00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.000
everywhere

00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:27.599
there's one level of basement car

00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.239
parking comprising two um and it

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.559
comprises two three bedroom apartments

00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.400
and two four bedroom apartments with a

00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.840
total of five bike spaces and provided

00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.920
across the ground basement level a total

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:41.840
of nine car parking spaces are provided

00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.679
in a basement with access crossover on

00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.440
tinton avenue so gain access is on

00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.079
tinten avenue so look it it presents as

00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.719
just a massive brick wall um when you're

00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.599
driving down tworack road towards the

00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.039
city

00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:56.960
it's a huge brick wall right up hard

00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:58.719
against the pavement and then you've got

00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.480
a little bit of a setback with some tree

00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.000
plantings and then another big brick

00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:03.840
wall going up to the to the rooftop

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.320
terrace it's not well articulated it's

00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:07.760
not consistent with the other buildings

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:08.960
in the area where there are large

00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:11.039
buildings on two rack road you'll notice

00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.719
that the brick walls are often set back

00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:14.320
a little bit or there's some greenery

00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.159
planted and then it steps up to a higher

00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.000
wall and then you've got tree plantings

00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:19.760
and so forth this is right up hard

00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.000
against the wall in a street that's a

00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:23.760
very residential street in two rock

00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:25.840
which is tin turn avenue so look i just

00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.400
don't think it um it fits with with our

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.239
planning on with our planning grounds

00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.079
and it should be refused hopefully the

00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:33.599
applicant will go back to the drawing

00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:35.039
board and come back with something much

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.039
better in future

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.800
thank you councillor and

00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:42.559
thank you mayor look i'm totally in

00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.719
agreement with this refusal this this is

00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.360
a massive bulky looking building

00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.760
and uh the neighbor the immediate

00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:51.039
neighbours to this building this

00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.679
four-story massive bulky building on the

00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.079
east side we have two-story commercial

00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:57.599
building across the road that's the

00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.599
start of direct village to the south

00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.400
side three-story unit building

00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.599
and to the north side sorry to the

00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.840
let me get it right to the west side a

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.920
two-story building so here we've got a

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.320
four-story building with a rooftop

00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:14.239
terrace and not just a rooftop terrace

00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.880
but a swimming pool on top now i believe

00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.440
that this you know really impacts on

00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.760
neighbours amenities when they are so

00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.239
buildings are so close to each other

00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.800
and if you look at the design guidelines

00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.360
for garden river to ensure new buildings

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.840
and extensions do not dominate the

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.320
streetscape to encourage a high quality

00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.639
of building detailing that references

00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.239
without mimicking the details of

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.079
buildings in the area this building does

00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:41.280
none of that

00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.119
to maintain and reinforce the rhythm of

00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.679
spacing around between and around

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.440
buildings to maintain and strengthen the

00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.199
garden setting of buildings and tree

00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.360
canopy of the neighborhood to prevent

00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.360
the loss of front garden space this

00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.039
building does not conform with any of

00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.039
these requirements in this garden river

00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:02.159
precinct so i also support the refusal

00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.199
thank you casa healey thank you

00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.599
um i have similar but different concerns

00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.480
as my fellow norfolk councillors um i

00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.079
agree with officers that the height is

00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.159
appropriate there's good in car parking

00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.719
it's a strong landscaping design i also

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.079
found applicant has done an excellent

00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:19.599
job with appropriately managing the

00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.320
north and south sides of the building um

00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.079
overall i think it's an appropriate

00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.079
development for the side it's a four

00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:28.400
four full floor apartments and a terrace

00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.239
seem reasonable in the area and the

00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:31.519
quality of the apartments and their

00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:33.199
design seems to be at a high standard

00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.440
from a strong architectural practice

00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.119
however like my fellow ward councillors

00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.800
i'm concerned about the interface on tim

00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.519
turn avenue we currently see a vertical

00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.280
face of four floors with a setback of

00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.199
only two meters from the boundary line

00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.280
with the lift shaft on the boundary

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.199
itself i see this is too confronting on

00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.360
the tin turn street frontage

00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:52.559
i do acknowledge however there's going

00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.320
to be four trees along the boundary

00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.280
which will reach a height of 10 meters

00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.199
and two trees which will reach a height

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.360
of 8 meters and the lift core itself has

00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.599
a climber going up it so landscaping

00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:05.920
will use to help soften the interface

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.760
although it is described as being

00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.760
adjacent to the activity centre it is

00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:11.440
adjacent and it's not actually part of

00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:12.559
that zone

00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.559
therefore i was going for shallow an

00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.079
alternate recommendation to require

00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.800
setback at the fourth floor by one metre

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.719
because given the proposed landscaping i

00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.559
believe that this would overcome the

00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.239
concerns that i have and would be an

00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.239
acceptable outcome

00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.159
thank you would any other councillors

00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.400
like to speak to the alternative motion

00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:34.719
council coach you need to sum up no

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.239
fantastic we'll proceed straight to the

00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.320
vote all those in favor of the refusal

00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.320
please raise your hands and all those

00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:41.280
against

00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:43.920
that's carried thank you councillors

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.039
so we moved to item 8.7

00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:48.519
um amendment

00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.920
c319 and

00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:56.159
is there a movement for c3200 record

00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.239
another question of course

00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.400
thank you um look i just wanted to ask

00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.480
this castle

00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.079
that difficult name uh sorry um what was

00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.159
the cost of this study because look this

00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.880
is just to show the gallery and remind

00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:12.079
all of us

00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.239
this is a huge study

00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.480
amazing study and i think it denotes the

00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.199
importance that we hold heritage

00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.679
uh in stonington and i'm very interested

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.159
to hear what it's cost us and how that

00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.000
cost compares with doing all these

00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:29.360
studies individually do we have a figure

00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.760
i can

00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.559
actually have information

00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.000
our two-day council has spent 485

00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:42.239
thousand dollars um he's anticipated

00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.000
that council will spend approximately 1

00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.360
million 180 000 in total for the reviews

00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.599
and that includes the suburbs of moulton

00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.719
tourette's kuya

00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.280
um the suburbs of south yarra glen iris

00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:57.119
and morgan peace have not been costed as

00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.360
yet but if council was to look at

00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.039
applying their heritage overlays to

00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.199
properties on an individual basis so if

00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.039
we didn't go through any suburbs other

00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.280
process that would cost us approximately

00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.159
twenty thousand to forty thousand per

00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:11.440
property

00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.360
thank you thanks

00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:14.800
so is there a mover for the

00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.679
recommendation

00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:19.519
counselor healing and second dead by

00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:20.880
councillor bada gold thank you

00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.440
councillor

00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.280
when we reflect on aspirations of our

00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.039
community as defined in the community

00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:28.559
vision

00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:30.559
maintaining and celebrating our heritage

00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.119
features really predominantly and this

00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:35.360
program is part of delivering on that it

00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.039
identifies and looks to protect the

00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:38.719
places and areas that give our city a

00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.119
sense of place a place to be proud of

00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:44.239
places that make stonington stonington

00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.239
and i note that our community vision

00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.239
also asks us to celebrate to celebrate

00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:50.079
the built in natural heritage cultural

00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.159
heritage to reactivate and celebrate

00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.000
private and public buildings

00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:55.679
and this program helps to identify and

00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.679
protect but we also need to think about

00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.280
ways to keep celebrating and

00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.000
reactivating our heritage buildings

00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.000
i really applaud this body of work and

00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.840
the future studies of other areas that

00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.159
will come to us for endorsement

00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.239
but also as a challenge thing we need to

00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.519
look at to the next stage of

00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:13.360
reactivation and celebration of our

00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.280
heritage to deliver on the aspirations

00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.360
our communities set for us i believe if

00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:18.800
we're going to begin to increase the

00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:20.960
desired literacy of our communities we

00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:22.480
can work together to ensure that we

00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.559
preserve and create more spaces that we

00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:26.159
can love

00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.000
thank you

00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.679
thank you matt

00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:31.599
our heritage is why many must choose to

00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.280
live here it's beautiful it's a it's a

00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.440
gorgeous area to live in

00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.000
and i hadn't actually seen the

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.559
volume of papers printed but now i have

00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:42.239
read them when you see that you can

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:43.360
understand the amount of work that's

00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.400
been involved

00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.400
this goes back to 2019 so this is

00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.719
predates me um a lot of the returning

00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:49.840
councillors

00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.159
where a detailed study was

00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.920
recommended and approved and an

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.199
independent expert or a group of

00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.199
independent experts has gone out and put

00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:58.400
that together which is really quite

00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:00.400
extraordinary it's the second review

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.079
that's happened we've seen melvin come

00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:04.079
to council already this is now three

00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:06.480
other suburbs and i believe that paran

00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.000
windsor will be the two final ones that

00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:09.519
will come to us

00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.039
just for anyone who's watching it's a

00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:12.880
review in two parts which is why it's so

00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:14.079
detailed

00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.000
the first is to look at the existing

00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.079
heritage and updates that might be

00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:19.679
needed citations

00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.199
changes mapping anonymous anomalies etc

00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:24.719
and then the second part is that gap

00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.639
study which i suspect is where a lot of

00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:28.480
the work is involved and that's where

00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.320
the new individual places come the new

00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.719
precincts are recommended

00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.880
and any superseding of neighborhood

00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:36.960
character with a heritage overlay as we

00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.280
have in the recommendation for bailey

00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.360
avenue and valentine

00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:42.800
i understand that notice will be given

00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.000
to the property owners with any changes

00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.320
that have been proposed and exhibition

00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:49.920
will then commence

00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.000
after following authorisation from the

00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:53.840
minister for planning and then

00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.480
submissions will be invited so we have a

00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.239
strong history of investigating and

00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.559
protecting our places and this study

00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.000
really adds to the excellent work that's

00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:03.920
been done today it's not over now some

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.599
of the things that perhaps haven't some

00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.280
of the buildings perhaps haven't made it

00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.360
this time round will need to be looked

00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.679
at in the future but hopefully this will

00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:13.119
this will keep us going given the

00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.920
expenses involved quite some time

00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.679
thank you i'll open it up is there any

00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.000
further discussion on the site

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.000
council advice

00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.920
you know

00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:25.679
heritage is really unique in the city of

00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:28.320
stonington um it's really is what set us

00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.159
apart and you can't get it back once you

00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.159
lose it we've lost so many beautiful

00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.000
heritage buildings over the years um

00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:35.519
because we haven't been able to get them

00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:37.599
protected before the developers have got

00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:38.719
at it

00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:40.400
a lot of the city is is heritage

00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.559
protected now and that reflects the work

00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:44.960
of many generations of council councils

00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.280
and um and officers and so forth working

00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:49.599
to achieve that

00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:50.960
and part of the reason why these

00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:52.800
processes are quite expensive is because

00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:54.400
there's a lot of consultation that takes

00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.840
part in that you know there's got to be

00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.239
an independent sort of panel set up has

00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.679
to be a lot of work from officers

00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.480
consultants and then we go out to the

00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.400
people impacted in the community

00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:05.840
and ask for their feedback on about

00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.519
three or four different occasions before

00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.039
it finally goes to the minister for

00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.039
approval so it's a really extensive

00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.119
process that recognises the importance

00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.840
of property rights as well as protecting

00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.440
something as important as our heritage

00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.840
as well

00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:23.679
just a few more words i think now we

00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.239
have about 25

00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:29.519
of our residences covered by heritage

00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.760
so that's fantastic really i'm sure that

00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:33.519
there are some more possibilities for

00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:35.440
future studies but i think that's a

00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.079
great outcome and i know not everyone

00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.000
feels the same way and some people want

00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.760
to tear these wonderful buildings down

00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:43.679
but if you travel to european cities or

00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.519
anywhere else in the world what makes

00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.039
them fabulous

00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.920
is the uh the heritage

00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.559
and i think you know we all get very

00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:54.559
upset when we see beautiful houses being

00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.559
torn down we have to do whatever we can

00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.000
as a council

00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.320
to discontinue that so i think this is a

01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.199
great outcome and i totally support this

01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:04.159
study

01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:05.199
thank you

01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.320
any other comments counselors

01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.559
council here do you need to sign up

01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.400
great we'll proceed to the vote so all

01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.800
those in favor that's carried

01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.360
unanimously thank you councillors let's

01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:20.159
move to eight point eight uh coded 19

01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.320
response and recovery progress and

01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.559
future directions report so we're

01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:29.719
looking to endorse those this evening is

01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:39.360
[Music]

01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:47.760
but maybe just a few more words which is

01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:49.760
really that this is um i've just been

01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:50.960
trying to write a gender item because i

01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.440
wasn't ready to take this um

01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.760
that the future directions report will

01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:57.519
be used to establish our priorities and

01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:59.199
our future actions and it'll guide

01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.360
planning and funding and initiatives as

01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.920
we move forward and we continue

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.920
as i keep hearing to live with covent

01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.199
and what that looks like and what that

01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:08.800
means

01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.559
and there'll be some indicators and some

01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:11.840
updates that i understand will be coming

01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.519
through on the ceo report so that we can

01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.440
track progress which which is essential

01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.280
it's it's it's great to come up with

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.280
actions it's even more important to

01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:20.880
track against them

01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:22.559
and then the second part of this is a

01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:24.239
progress report this really shows us

01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:25.920
what we've done it's not an impact

01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.599
report at this point in time it really

01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:29.440
just summarises responsive recovery

01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.280
initiatives but there will be some

01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.599
evaluation to follow at which we will

01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:35.280
actually be able to see the impact of of

01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.119
the actions that have been taken today

01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.159
here which i think is fair enough

01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:43.840
council's response to the pandemic has

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.760
been significant and deliberate the

01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.760
formation of multi-disciplinary response

01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.880
teams a dedicated 1.89 million funding

01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.960
reserve and a community recovery

01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:55.519
committee of local agencies etc i think

01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:57.519
everyone has seen the impact of the

01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.599
outdoor dining for example that's

01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.480
probably the single most impacting

01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:04.719
thing that the council has done for this

01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.280
community it was done really quickly and

01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:08.960
i really admired the way council

01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:10.400
officers uh

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.639
worked really quickly when this pandemic

01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.400
hit us so

01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:15.840
i commend them on that and i have

01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.239
nothing further to say there

01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:19.920
would anyone else like to comment on

01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.559
these reports

01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:26.480
right uh no need to sum up i'm assuming

01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:28.719
just to say briefly about it

01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.480
if people have something to say on the

01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:31.519
report

01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.639
please move them by all means

01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:36.159
we're probably just all sick of hearing

01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.559
about it right then proceed to the vote

01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.840
uh almost in favor of endorsing those

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:43.519
that's carried animals thank you

01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:47.199
councillors so 8.9

01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.119
is the covered recovery fund of

01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:50.960
recommended expenditure which is for the

01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.440
remainder of that 1.89 million um is

01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:54.639
there a movement for this report

01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:57.760
cancelled healing and the second up

01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:59.519
i'll second for the purposes of debate

01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.400
thank you

01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.000
so this is really looking at the balance

01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.039
of that coverage response fund

01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.440
um because council's already previously

01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.320
approved drawdowns for the crown market

01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.079
traders for 14

01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:14.960
days

01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:18.320
uh for a concession for residential um

01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.239
uh for pension

01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:21.920
concession holders

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.000
um and then a range of other initiatives

01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:25.599
as well including volunteer support

01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.599
programs and arts and culture programs

01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:29.280
so this report now recommends the

01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:30.800
following drawback downs on the funds

01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.599
which will um take it to century zero

01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:34.880
and that's going to include mental

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:36.719
health education well for welfare

01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.960
support for sporting clubs and there was

01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.039
even an article recently about how kids

01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:42.960
during covert have got how to catch a

01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:44.480
ball or something so you know this sort

01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.119
of thing is really important um library

01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:48.880
programs including digital skills

01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:50.239
building for

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:51.519
culturally linguistically diverse

01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.000
communities and getting job ready family

01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:55.920
programs including skills for stronger

01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:57.440
families

01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.360
anxiety and children

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:00.960
and bullying and social interaction

01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:02.800
issues a threat together residency in

01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.119
parang square which builds upon a trial

01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:07.760
is done at the hub i believe

01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:09.519
funding to support precincts and place

01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.519
making activations and also the funding

01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.360
of roadside dining safety barriers that

01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:15.199
were used for the summer roadside dining

01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:16.400
program

01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.239
so the impacts of covert will continue

01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:19.840
to have an impact in our community and

01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.800
the fy 22 co-recovery fund was of great

01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:24.480
importance to help our community deal

01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:26.559
with social pressure points as they

01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.639
arose and areas such as family violence

01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:32.320
youth mental health

01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:33.840
and social engagement drops and

01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:35.280
volunteering drops in sports

01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.199
participation increased isolation

01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.280
vulnerability and of course the impacts

01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:41.679
of covert on the local business economy

01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:43.679
have all been supported through this

01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.320
one-year fund so i fully endorse the

01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:47.760
final drawdown

01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:49.599
thank you councillor healey i don't

01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.440
often second but i'll very briefly just

01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.000
say that um you know this isn't it's not

01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.800
that starting to only spend 1.89 million

01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.199
on covert assistance in recovery um

01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:00.719
we've actually spent well over 10

01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.039
million over the last couple of years to

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:05.920
support our community but what this 1.89

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.159
was was the great rise of last year that

01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.159
we put aside and said we were going to

01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.440
use this for any kind of covert related

01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.440
challenges that our community faced and

01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:16.880
we didn't want to just use it to

01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:18.960
continue waiving fees or things like

01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.400
that we wanted to really use it on

01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.880
practical programs um and that's what

01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.480
we're doing particularly with this final

01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.199
bit so although we did spend some on on

01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.280
a rent waiver at the front market we had

01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.360
a concession and we had all of these

01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.599
outdoor dining initiatives we are now

01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:35.519
looking at those volunteer programs arts

01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:37.119
and cultural programs and you know

01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.719
there's a great there's a great list in

01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:40.639
there um which is just hopefully going

01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:42.880
to encourage our community to come out

01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.639
um continue to explore their local

01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.719
community and you know support our

01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.719
businesses of course so we do need to

01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:50.559
spend this in the financial year that is

01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.480
what we're committed to doing and so

01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:54.239
what we're looking at tonight is that is

01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:55.840
that final proportion

01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:57.440
um so i'll open it up are there any

01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:59.599
other comments counselor

01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:01.599
i just have a question um

01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.000
from the ceo for you man there was there

01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.480
ever an officer recommendation discussed

01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:08.960
a briefing about an additional

01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.039
covert recovery drawdown fund around

01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.360
market traders and was it clear from the

01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.039
discussion between councillors that this

01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.440
was this officer recommendation was not

01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:19.679
supported and subsequently

01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:21.599
officers withdrew that recommendation

01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.199
and it never made its way to a council

01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.599
meeting

01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:27.280
yes

01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.119
certainly

01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.519
draft reports are provided to council

01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:34.320
briefings that officers develop and they

01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:36.400
are draft in nature so

01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.320
any of the reports that come up for

01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.880
discussion at a council of voting are

01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.840
only for discussion purposes and at that

01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.079
report there was a suggestion about an

01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:47.920
opportunity and following the

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.679
conversation officers um chose not to

01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:54.000
not to put a recommendation forward that

01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.960
they had discussed as adult

01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:58.239
would you like to speak to the item

01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.719
counselor

01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.639
all those in favor

01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:16.800
thank you councillors let's move to

01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.280
eight point ten

01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.679
the regenerating counon crew which is

01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:25.119
our gardener's creek contract awards um

01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:26.960
can i please ask for remover of the

01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.519
recommendation

01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.400
thank you council

01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:34.880
can i seek a secondary first council

01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:35.599
yeah

01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:37.679
is there a second eye

01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.000
thank you council griffin uh

01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.320
um very briefly mayor

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.000
because we've talked about our garden

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.079
creek master plan a number of times this

01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.239
is a contract um

01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.880
to help us progress our gardeners creek

01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.039
master plan much of what we cannot

01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:54.800
discuss in an open council meeting

01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:56.239
because much of the dot many of the

01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:57.920
documents are confidential

01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.360
um

01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:00.960
that's all i need to say

01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:03.119
okay very succinct thank you and

01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.199
councillor griffith did you want to stay

01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.679
uh just that gardner's creeping is

01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.079
approximately 45 of all open space in

01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.559
the city therefore it's really important

01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:14.480
and we need to have this looking

01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:17.840
fantastic so i totally support this

01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:19.439
thank you or open it up is there any

01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:23.600
further discussion on the item

01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.760
i will just highlight because it was in

01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:28.239
the news last week that um our member

01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.159
for higgins dr katie allen has committed

01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.960
1.8 million dollars towards our country

01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:34.880
master plan um it's not of this

01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:37.279
particular section however i did want to

01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.520
highlight that it is part of

01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:41.119
what sorry it is one of the other

01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:42.560
sections that we will be completing

01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:44.880
shortly um and you know it's more than

01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:46.479
just making governance creek look good

01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:48.239
it will function significantly better

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:49.760
and it could be a lot more to our

01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:51.359
community than it currently is with the

01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.159
inclusion of picnic areas barbecue areas

01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:56.079
proper trails separation of bike and

01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.560
pedestrian improving the waterways and

01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:00.159
you know a whole list of

01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.079
amazing initiatives so i think i think

01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:03.760
it is important to acknowledge that

01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:05.760
contribution that we've seen received

01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:08.159
from our local member and there has been

01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.239
a commitment as well from the labor

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:12.720
candidate um dr michelle for about a

01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:15.279
million dollars i believe as well for a

01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.960
different section of the creek

01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:26.239
kilometers long so there are lots of

01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:27.520
different sections and we're very

01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.199
grateful to receive any funding to

01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.279
helping council improve that which means

01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:32.560
we should be able to get it done in a

01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.159
lot less than 10 years which is what

01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.000
we're currently projecting

01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:37.119
um

01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.520
no further comments i'll ask councillor

01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:41.119
if you'd like to sum up

01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.359
um you've said it all

01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.439
thanks all right we proceed to the vote

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.119
so all those in favor of adopting the

01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.399
contract that's carried unanimously

01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:52.640
thank you councillors let's move to item

01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:56.159
811 um which is also a contract award uh

01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:58.079
is there a river for this item

01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.560
councillor healy and the secondary

01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:02.239
council of articles thank you councillor

01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:04.399
hilly thank you

01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:05.760
i'm sure when councillors from

01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:07.359
particularly north and southwards who

01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:09.439
are campaigning in 2020 chapel street

01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:11.520
came up with a key area of frustration

01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:13.600
and hope for residents they're

01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:15.600
frustrated because they we know how

01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.279
important the strip is the identity and

01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:19.680
pride of our city and we're frustrated

01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.199
because we see that its current state

01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.039
does not meet our aspirations for the

01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:24.720
potential of it

01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:26.560
we have seen for a long time the decline

01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:28.159
of strip shopping and the growth of the

01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.119
wall we've witnessed our other beloved

01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:32.880
shop strip shopping strips and other

01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.800
council areas become ghost towns and

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:36.640
we've seen through cover the increasing

01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:38.319
growth of online retail

01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:40.159
these are the two competitors chapel

01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.880
street strips like it malls can decide

01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:44.399
where the tenants go what standard

01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:46.479
presentations required they provide easy

01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.319
access to bathrooms they provide a sense

01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:50.319
of safety and cleanliness but they still

01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:52.479
miss the magic of chapel street they

01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.479
miss that sense of community they miss

01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.800
the sense of festivity discovery

01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:58.399
discovery and authenticity that strip

01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.159
shopping really creates

01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:01.520
and while we need to address some of the

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:03.199
current barriers to visitation chapel

01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:04.640
street we also need to lean into the

01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:06.560
authentic magic of chapel street to

01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:08.640
ensure that it's not just an icon of

01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:10.880
stonington but of melbourne and of the

01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.520
world the team that's been selected to

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.279
help us on this journey presented during

01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:17.119
their pitch process precinct

01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:18.880
transformations that they're also part

01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:19.680
of

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.800
in criden south high street in london

01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:24.159
the melbourne arts precinct

01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:25.920
transformation and streetscape

01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.119
transformations in city north and sydney

01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.039
i'm excited also that they look not just

01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:32.560
at the aesthetic and experience of the

01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.800
transformations they make but also the

01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.119
social and economic impact of their

01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.439
projects the london case study discussed

01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:42.079
shock vacancies being reduced from 25 to

01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:44.640
5 percent through the projects and i

01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.560
also really like their approach um the

01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:48.159
approach their practice discusses about

01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:50.079
how it's good to have an idea of what

01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.079
the big future is through master plans

01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.239
etc but we still need to have little

01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:56.399
futures too with short-term activations

01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:58.720
and experimentation so that we start

01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:00.880
moving sooner rather than later on

01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:03.520
lifting our neighborhoods

01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:05.760
chapel street should be one of the great

01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:07.680
streets in the world and as locals we

01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:09.680
know its potential to be that and this

01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:11.600
project starts to work towards making

01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:12.800
that reality

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:14.720
thank you that's about a goal as a

01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:16.159
second year would you like to speak

01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.479
thank you it's a heartache to follow

01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.640
i won't add too much there obviously the

01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:22.960
passion and what's to come out of this

01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.479
piece of work is very evident

01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.560
it's just exciting chapter street's an

01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.760
important important area it's iconic

01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:34.159
this is a new approach it's place based

01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:37.520
the 2013 work well it was wonderful it's

01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.520
nine years old now and this is time to

01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:41.680
refresh we can see how much has changed

01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.119
over this time particularly in the past

01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.239
two years

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.479
uh and this really provides us with an

01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:48.960
opportunity to rethink chapel street and

01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.600
new innovative exciting ways

01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:53.600
and have a new master plan that we can

01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.479
work from and and have

01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.000
more projects that we can hand over to

01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.159
future generations as well

01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:02.239
thank you i'll open it up for discussion

01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.960
is there better

01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.439
so the recommendation suggests that the

01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:11.600
contractor developed the master plan

01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:14.159
design and documentation of the primary

01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:15.600
initiatives

01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:17.039
[Music]

01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.199
over the period of two years does that

01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.840
mean they'll come back to this council

01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:23.840
with that master plan

01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:26.079
oh yes

01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:29.039
sorry how excited is that

01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.119
that's all thank

01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.960
would anyone you like to speak to the

01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.680
item counselors

01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.279
yes council said um thank you may

01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.600
chapel street is something that's pretty

01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:43.520
much setting the two-heart basket with

01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:44.960
this council for as long as i can

01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:46.399
remember

01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:48.079
simply because we're trying to do too

01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.000
much in a narrow strip

01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:51.840
of retail

01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:53.840
we've got a

01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:54.800
we've got

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:57.199
pedestrians we've got bicyclists we've

01:13:57.279 --> 01:13:59.359
got car parking we've got two rows of

01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:02.319
trams we've got outdoor dining it just

01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:03.520
doesn't work

01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:04.960
so i'm going to be really interested to

01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:07.520
see what comes out of this master

01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:10.000
planning process because something's got

01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:10.960
to give

01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:12.720
we have talked previously about the

01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.279
potential to remove parking in sections

01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.680
of chapel street and build larger curb

01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.560
out stands to encourage

01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:23.439
retailers out onto the footpaths diners

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.159
that creates for a more of a safer

01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:27.920
environment because there's passive

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.600
surveillance and people feel safe for an

01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:32.000
environment where people are around

01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:34.640
we do know that no trader wants a seat a

01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:36.560
tree or a bin out the front of their

01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.039
premise so we always run into challenges

01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:40.880
as to who's going to get that there's

01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.039
significant amounts of infrastructure

01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:44.239
under the ground

01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.000
um which we have to deal with not to

01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:48.239
mention the veranda's up above not to

01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.159
mention the tram lines and the overhead

01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.640
power lines so these guys have got their

01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:55.199
work cut out from the madame air so

01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:57.359
they're a fantastic firm they've come up

01:14:57.439 --> 01:14:59.760
with some great um responses i've seen

01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:00.960
you know coming for this council

01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.439
previously and and other um

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:04.800
infrastructure projects that they've

01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.119
done so really excited to see what comes

01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.000
but it's it's not going to be easy

01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.159
that's for sure thank you council fair

01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:14.159
would anyone else speak yes thank you

01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:16.479
mia our councillor just touched on

01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:18.560
something i thought i had to address

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:20.079
because i think the city of melbourne

01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.399
has some big regrets now about some of

01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.319
the bike lanes and the reduction in car

01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:25.359
parking

01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:27.680
and the city is empty and people are

01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.720
really fed up so i agree with you this

01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.880
this organization has a huge job ahead

01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.239
of it uh balancing the needs of traders

01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.439
and pedestrians or shoppers uh but look

01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:41.279
all these things can be done

01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.239
uh and let's hope some of the lessons

01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:45.359
here's why

01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:47.279
okay okay

01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:48.800
some of the lessons from the city of

01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.199
melbourne can be passed on to us because

01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:52.560
i think you know there's some real

01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.640
problems there and just on a more

01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:56.720
optimistic note i'm starting to feel

01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.439
that the big online move is not

01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.359
subsiding it will always be there it's

01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:03.439
part of our lives but there is there is

01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:05.920
a move back to bricks and mortar and if

01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.359
you look at the stock market and the

01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.840
online shopping companies there's a bit

01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.319
of a decline going on so i think that

01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:14.800
we're going to see the revival of we all

01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.479
love shopping we all love walking out in

01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:18.399
the streets we love chapel street it's

01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.319
amazing so i think we should feel a bit

01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:22.800
optimistic and with this master plan

01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.279
being undertaken i hope that retailers

01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:27.600
in chapel street see the bright future

01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.079
because after all those small businesses

01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:32.760
those people are really the soul of our

01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:35.359
community thank you mayor thank you

01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:37.279
councillor griffin

01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:38.560
yeah i've got to say something to you

01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:40.800
now

01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:43.600
um i agree chapel street's so unique and

01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:45.760
so special and but it constantly needs

01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.600
attention and investment just like a

01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:48.960
shopping mall they're constantly

01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:50.960
rebuilding it you know look at chadstone

01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:52.319
and so forth it's the same with chapel

01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:53.920
street you've got to keep up with the

01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.359
times and people are looking for

01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:57.279
experiential

01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:00.319
experiences um when they go shopping and

01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:01.600
chapel street's got it you know it's a

01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:03.359
place you want to be seen it's a place

01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:05.199
you want to experience it's different to

01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:07.119
everything else it's not just you know

01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:08.800
during the day it's also at night as

01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:10.800
well it's a nightlife economy there too

01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:13.039
and if you look at windsor and some of

01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:14.960
the unique dining destinations there you

01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:17.600
won't find anything like mr miyagi or

01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:19.359
hawker hall or some of the other places

01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:20.960
there anywhere else that they've

01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:23.199
germinated in that area because you know

01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:24.720
they've been able to get cheaper rents

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:26.239
and there's various other people in the

01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.239
area as well that have bought it there

01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:30.000
and i think with the city of stonington

01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:31.840
we've actually done a really good job if

01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.319
you look at um gravel street you know

01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.560
the the public realm there has just been

01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:38.800
transformed since since we did those

01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:41.520
major works there um and also pran

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.359
square is wonderful the car parks

01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:45.199
constantly you know full from what i

01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.600
hear there's always people in the square

01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:49.600
using it it's been a fantastic success

01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:50.800
story

01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:52.479
and it shows what we can achieve but

01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:54.640
they're not without its challenges as we

01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:56.399
touched on there are always challenges

01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:58.399
when you bring about change

01:17:58.479 --> 01:17:59.520
there were some people that were

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:01.199
terrified of the changes in gravel

01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:03.439
street and were very very concerned but

01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:05.600
now they can see the benefits of that

01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:07.279
that's what's likely to happen with any

01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:09.279
master plan for chapel street no matter

01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:10.880
how good it is probably the better it is

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.600
the more controversy it will generate

01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.680
thank you councillor

01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:17.680
would anyone else like to speak to this

01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:19.760
motion

01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:23.439
council healing would you like to sum up

01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.560
what i'm hearing is a lot of passion

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.960
um and acknowledging that it is a tough

01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:30.880
project for this

01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.119
this group but it's also potentially i

01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:34.640
would think it would be a dream project

01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:36.399
for them as well

01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.239
because there's so much potential for

01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:40.079
the area

01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:42.479
and we have huge again passion and

01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:44.640
aspiration for what it can be so they're

01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:45.920
going to be able to pull from

01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:47.760
international best practice

01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.399
from other developments and

01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:52.000
conditions that we had around australia

01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:54.399
as well so i think we can just be really

01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:56.319
excited to see what happens

01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:57.439
fantastic

01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:01.039
to the vote all those in favour

01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:03.760
that's probably unanimously thank you

01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:07.600
councillors so we moved to item 812

01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:09.600
internal arbitration determination so

01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:11.199
we've got an officer recommendation

01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:13.840
before us council morgan is up to move

01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:15.520
not a question okay

01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:17.199
that's us so councilman has moved that

01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:18.720
recommendation can i please take a

01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:21.600
second after that

01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:24.079
thank you council bogo uh councillor

01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:25.279
morgan

01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:26.960
thank you for you met i'm going to take

01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:28.479
the officer's recommendation and the

01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.840
arbiters findings and reasons as read

01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:33.680
all councillors agree to uphold the

01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.520
prescribed standards of conduct when we

01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:37.520
are schooling as counsellors

01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:39.439
this does mean that local councillors

01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.039
are held to higher standards of

01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:42.479
behaviour than ordering members of the

01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:43.600
public

01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.279
this is the system we are under and what

01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:46.800
we all agreed to follow when we were

01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:48.880
spawning as councillors

01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:50.319
in this case

01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:52.159
an independent arbiter has found that

01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:54.159
councilor lew's behaviour did constitute

01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.800
misconduct due to remarks he made on a

01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.800
public facebook post on july 25

01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:02.159
2021 which breached the prescribed

01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.800
standards of conduct 1c which says that

01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:07.680
a counselor does not engage in abusive

01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:09.760
obscene or threatening behaviour in

01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.039
their dealings with members of the

01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:14.720
public counsellor staff and counsellors

01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:16.560
councilor lewis comments referred to

01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:18.560
local community member's home morbidly

01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:20.640
brutal body while referencing the

01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:22.319
community members residential street

01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:23.279
name

01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:24.720
i would like to put on the record that

01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.319
if council lou had just sworn in

01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:28.159
frustration at the community member who

01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:30.399
was critical of him i would not have

01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.039
raised his complaint but avada did note

01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:34.880
in his findings that council lou had

01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:36.880
apologized to storington councillors for

01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:39.199
his behaviour and that was to his credit

01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:40.800
i agree with this

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:42.399
however if councillor had also

01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:44.159
apologised to the community member he

01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.000
made the abusive comments about i would

01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:48.000
not approach his complaint

01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:49.439
i raised this complaint because i

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:50.800
thought it was a genuine breach of

01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:52.720
prescribed standards of conduct and

01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:54.239
because councillor lou is an elected

01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:56.159
councillor which means he holds a

01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:57.840
significant leadership role in our

01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:58.960
community

01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:00.960
council lou is held in high regard by

01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:02.319
some members of our community in

01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:04.640
stonington he is an elected councillor

01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:06.479
and a local community leader and a role

01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:07.920
model to some

01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:09.439
i believe it would have been a terrible

01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:11.279
precedent giving councilwood leadership

01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:14.000
role in our community if he was not i

01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:16.239
had not been held to account for what an

01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.239
independent arbiter has found to be

01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:21.840
abusive and inexcusable behavior

01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:24.399
thank you council morgan is uh i have to

01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:27.039
go to the second to first council has

01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:28.960
reserved her right did you want to speak

01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:31.840
councillor luke yes please um thank you

01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:33.840
as is clear from the archers report

01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:35.840
councillor morgan has made a barrage of

01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:37.359
complaints against me

01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:39.119
while the focus will be on the one

01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.680
bullet that successfully hit its target

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.520
it's worth mentioning that two out of

01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.600
the three allegations that formed the

01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.119
substance of councilor morgan's

01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:49.439
complaint were dismissed

01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.600
the arbitration also refers to another

01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:53.439
complaint that councillor morgan made

01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.239
that she withdrew indicating that she

01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:57.840
may resubmit it

01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:00.000
i can say nothing about this complaint

01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:01.359
except this

01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:04.239
if the complaint was submitted and if it

01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:06.000
was dismissed for being frivolous

01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:08.560
vexatious and lacking in substance the

01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:10.319
local government act would prevent me

01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:13.119
from ever discussing it publicly

01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:15.119
i'm interested in hearing an explanation

01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:16.960
from councillor morgan as to why she

01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.600
embarked on the task of defending mr

01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:22.399
core's honor at ratepayer's expense

01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:24.560
the arbiter viewed mr core's facebook

01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:27.600
activity and described his conduct as

01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:30.479
obscene abusive and racist

01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.119
the arbiter says brandon core should be

01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:35.359
ashamed of himself

01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:37.680
why has counselor morgan associated

01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:40.239
herself with this man and prioritized

01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:42.319
his grievances for political point

01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:43.359
scoring

01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:45.920
this man who a magistrate made an

01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.079
interim intervention order against for

01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:50.159
my protection on the application of

01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:53.199
malvern police

01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.439
and then the court extended this order

01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:58.000
for six months through various hearings

01:22:58.079 --> 01:22:59.279
and mine

01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:01.520
this man counsel one moment please can i

01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:02.960
please ask the gallery to stop

01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:04.960
interjecting the debate thank you thanks

01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.600
castle this man whose activities

01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:09.760
frighten my neighbours who are who are

01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:12.159
councillor morgan's constituents and my

01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.359
wife this man whose activity resulted in

01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:17.840
the council installing cctv cameras in

01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:19.279
my home

01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:21.920
how will i ever be able to work with or

01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:24.800
trust councillor morgan ever again after

01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.720
her actions

01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:29.199
why did councillor morgan do nothing

01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.039
when faced with a complaint from some of

01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:32.800
mr clau's victims

01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:34.960
when he laughed publicly at a video that

01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.359
contained anti-semitic imagery and

01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:39.039
bullied three women

01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.039
tagging this video which described the

01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:44.479
women being subjected to non-consensual

01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.000
sex acts

01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:47.840
where was councillor morgan's commitment

01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:49.840
to high standards then

01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:51.920
wheel councilor logan also pursued

01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:54.319
councillor scott with the same figure

01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:56.720
only recently councillor scott used his

01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:59.119
council of facebook page to post the f

01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:01.279
word to describe liberals i can't even

01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:03.199
say that in the council chamber what's

01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:05.520
the point of order council

01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:09.600
53 1 1 this is uh sorry i'm getting the

01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:11.520
wrong numbers it's irrelevant to the

01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:13.359
business on the agenda i do agree

01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:15.279
council moves don't name other

01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.439
councillors just stick to the uh the

01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:19.199
arbitration and the report before us

01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:20.880
thank you or

01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:23.600
or a councillor who happened to describe

01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.239
the liberal party as corrupt climate

01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:27.600
records

01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:29.520
is there one rule for greens councillors

01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:32.079
and another rule for the rest of us

01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:34.399
i intend to do the training set out in

01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:36.800
this report as quickly as possible so

01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:38.800
that i can be back on social media again

01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:41.199
communicating with my constituents

01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:43.039
i'm also considering

01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:44.800
my options with respect to lodging a

01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:46.960
supreme court challenge as i'm of the

01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:48.479
view that the arbiter made several

01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:50.239
errors of law which if allowed to go

01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:52.000
unchallenged could result in other

01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:54.640
greens councillors across victoria

01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:56.399
weaponising the code of conduct and

01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:57.920
proceeding

01:24:58.000 --> 01:24:59.359
weaponising code of conduct for

01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.680
political reasons i'm mad at me i raise

01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:03.039
a point of order councillor scott

01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:04.880
smirking at me

01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.199
what's the point of order exactly though

01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:08.880
um the point of order is that he's not

01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:12.880
acting with he's not acting respectfully

01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:15.760
let's have a look uh

01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.159
a councillor is not um

01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:20.960
a council is not is being offensive and

01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:24.560
is engaging in an act of disorder

01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:25.680
point one point eight 53.1.7

01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:27.199
ask you to ask councillor scott not to

01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:28.800
speak well i certainly don't think

01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:30.319
there's been an active disorder i

01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:32.399
haven't seen the act of offence however

01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:33.920
i asked all counsellors to remain

01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:35.439
respectful during the debate and you

01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:37.279
know i do know noah has interrupted you

01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:40.800
but um councillor i will also ask um you

01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:42.800
do need an extension of time would you

01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:44.800
like to see that uh a very brief

01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:46.319
extension of course you'll get a full

01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:47.680
minute thank you councillor scott is

01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:49.199
there a seconder for that additional

01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.359
minute council about a goal uh anyone

01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:54.239
opposed to that additional minute no

01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:57.439
thank you council luke

01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:59.279
um there remains an

01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:01.520
issue as to what this council ought to

01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:03.520
do now about mr corp

01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.520
his name remains on the prominently

01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:07.359
displayed on the honourable right here

01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:09.199
at malden town hall

01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:11.359
each and every day it's there given the

01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.079
artist's finding besmirches the good

01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.399
name of stonington council

01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:19.600
i can't do any more more about this

01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:21.279
i would be conflicted but other

01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:23.520
councillors can

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.199
other councillors could move a notice of

01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:27.279
motion and remove his name from the

01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.119
honor board like that

01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:32.239
and as councillors do not do this

01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:35.199
counsellors stand with mr core

01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:38.239
and with his sexism and with his racism

01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:41.119
and with his anti-semitism

01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:42.800
just like councilman morgan stood with

01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:46.079
him in the arbitration application

01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.399
so this sort of behavior is what makes

01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:50.399
council toxic

01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:52.880
and i thank the many many people who've

01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:54.399
reached out to me

01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:56.239
over the weekend to offer me their

01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:57.600
support

01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:00.079
and i i do genuinely hope councillor

01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:02.000
morgan has taken note of the questions

01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.000
that i've raised and answers them in

01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:06.640
this debate

01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:11.680
thank you mayor uh look this is i find

01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:14.079
this stuff very disturbing because i

01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:16.079
think social media is a tool for good or

01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.640
a tool for evil and and you know i i

01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:20.720
really am concerned about this i'm

01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:22.479
pleased councillor lou

01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:25.199
quickly retracted a strong post from his

01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:27.279
facebook and twitter

01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:29.760
and deleted it before anything directed

01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:31.920
directed towards mr core and apologise

01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.000
to councillors for that but this report

01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:35.760
has left me with more questions than

01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:39.119
answers and i'm very sorry that council

01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.520
lou has been a victim of such intense

01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:45.680
attacks both inside and outside council

01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:47.600
i do not understand why certain

01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:49.920
councillors are associating with mr core

01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.239
against another councillor and in this

01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:53.920
case defending someone who has been

01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:55.520
described by the arbiter i'll say it

01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:57.600
again because it's really shameful as

01:27:57.680 --> 01:27:59.920
someone who should be ashamed of himself

01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:01.840
and whose facebook posts range from

01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:05.600
abusive to the obscene and racist

01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.000
what does that say about any counsellor

01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.399
or anyone who supports or colludes with

01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:13.199
him i cannot understand why this council

01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:15.039
which has been aware of his behaviour

01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:17.359
for some time on facebook and his

01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:19.439
threats against two female residents

01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:21.680
still has his name on the board in the

01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:23.760
lobby of the council chambers

01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.159
being acknowledged among the stonington

01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:28.720
citizens of the year awards i just asked

01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:30.960
the question how genuine is this council

01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.359
about mutual respect

01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:35.359
while we as councillors may expect

01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:37.039
strong debate and arguments from the

01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:38.319
community

01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:41.359
mr core's persistent vitriol seems to

01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:43.119
have another purpose

01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.199
his ongoing attacks on those councillors

01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:47.039
who dared to question percy juveniles

01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:48.880
aside and i was one of them and i

01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:50.479
believe he's still attacking me on his

01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:52.800
facebook pages which i don't read what

01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:54.640
is behind his interest in the stadium

01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:56.319
and other council matters

01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.399
in the meantime while we wait for

01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.239
answers to these questions

01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:03.039
rate payers are being slugged again

01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.520
this time for arbitration costs which i

01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:06.479
gather

01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:07.680
given there seems to be more

01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:10.000
arbitrations pending will amount to

01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.680
thousands of dollars and to what benefit

01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:15.920
for rate payers and residents

01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:17.760
these costs need to be transparent to

01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.239
the community

01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:22.640
and i believe the dysfunction in this

01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.840
council has now reached a point where it

01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:30.399
requires external monitoring

01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:35.600
thank you griffin would any other

01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:39.199
councillors like to speak to the motion

01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:40.880
if you'd like to exercise your right

01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:42.319
second i think his health regarding

01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:43.920
command

01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:46.319
the local government act has established

01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:48.159
this council of code of conduct it's to

01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:49.760
address council of conduct and

01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:51.920
behavioral issues not people who are not

01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.319
counsellors it's an opportunity to raise

01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:55.359
complaints

01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:57.520
for timely intervention

01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.000
and as the matter before us shows the

01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:02.000
answer only makes a determination when

01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:04.000
there is sufficient efforts and it is in

01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:06.319
breach of the prescribed standards this

01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:08.319
motion is to consider councillor blue's

01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.159
behaviour not missed of course so i

01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:11.600
think it's important we focus on the

01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:13.680
right behavior here

01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:15.600
we have an obligation as councillors to

01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:17.840
abide by the prescribed standards

01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.520
and in all the work that we do this

01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:21.279
includes our interactions with staff

01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:22.960
with the community and with fellow

01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:24.159
councillors

01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:26.960
and as the arbiter says in paragraph 14

01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:28.319
councillors do not stop being

01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:29.920
counsellors when they leave a council

01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:31.520
meeting

01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:32.960
i'm pretty sure i'm not alone around

01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:35.119
this table when i say that i receive

01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:37.199
plenty of emails i observe posts on

01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:39.520
social media comments that are about me

01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:41.520
direct messages which i personally would

01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:43.840
consider at best in appropriate and at

01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:45.760
worst possibly offensive and threatening

01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:47.920
in my opinion i'd love to respond to

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.680
these particularly when i disagree and i

01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:52.079
feel an emotional response but i don't

01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:53.520
because i understand that we as

01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.680
counselors have prescribed standards we

01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:57.840
have to abide by i also know that people

01:30:57.920 --> 01:30:59.520
often say things in an online

01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:01.119
environment that they can say face to

01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:03.279
face and i think this is a trap that you

01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.359
don't want to fall into

01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:07.359
social media is an important tool for

01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:09.600
freedom of expression but it doesn't

01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:11.920
mean freedom from consequence the

01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:13.520
findings from the alberta make this very

01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:15.600
very apparent

01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:17.359
from personal experience i know that

01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:18.960
making a submission for internal

01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.279
arbitration is a very difficult one and

01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:23.199
a challenging process for all parties

01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:24.960
you don't go into it lightly

01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:26.640
particularly for those of us without

01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:28.399
legal experience

01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:30.159
it's important though that we focus on

01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:32.159
the findings and we don't deflect to the

01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:34.560
applicant or the reasons behind it

01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:36.239
as i said in february

01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:38.640
no's account and i understand that the

01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:41.600
audio was bad when i was in covert world

01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:42.399
but

01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:44.800
no counsellor staff member or member of

01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:46.399
the public should ever question their

01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:48.079
decision to call out behaviours that

01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:49.840
make them feel uncomfortable

01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.079
no counsellor should ever hesitate

01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:53.840
holding unacceptable counsellor

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:55.600
behaviour to account

01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:57.600
the cost to council when interventions

01:31:57.680 --> 01:31:59.520
are needed are measurable but in my

01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:01.680
opinion the cost to council with the

01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:03.439
breakdown of good governance due to poor

01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.359
behaviour that is accepted and

01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:09.279
normalised is far far worse

01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:10.479
that's a question

01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:11.439
yes

01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:13.760
so can the ceo please advise if brendan

01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:15.840
core has contacted the council

01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:17.680
seeking to convince the council to use a

01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:19.840
flooring product he has a commercial

01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:21.920
interest in at percy trevor memorial

01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.640
park and if the ceo is not able to

01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:27.039
answer that question can the ceo please

01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:29.119
advise why it is that she's not able to

01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:30.960
answer that question counselor can you

01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:32.640
please hold that over to questions to

01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:34.159
council officers because that has

01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:37.039
nothing to do with the matter before us

01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:38.640
thank you

01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:40.560
but any other counsellors like to speak

01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:42.800
to the motion counselor healing thank

01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:44.800
you

01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:46.560
councillor has previously expressed that

01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:49.119
he feels that free speech trumps

01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:50.159
everything

01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:51.680
this ruling demonstrates that what we

01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:53.039
say is councils and leaders in our

01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:54.640
community still needs to reflect the

01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:56.880
expectations of the code of conduct

01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:58.640
including that we do not engage in

01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:00.720
abusive obscene or threatening behaviour

01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.720
in our dealings with the public council

01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:04.800
staff and councillors

01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.039
i believe that our federal mp dr katie

01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:08.960
allen recently described this principle

01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:11.039
very eloquently when she said that free

01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:13.359
speech was a fundamental aspect of

01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:14.960
australia's democracy and should be

01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:18.000
expressed respectfully those who descend

01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:20.760
to aggressive personal attacks belittle

01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:22.479
themselves

01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:24.960
i also note that social media is in two

01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.119
of the 12 key questions in the recent

01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:29.439
pwc investigation to council culture in

01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:32.159
victoria the report asked how can

01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:34.079
awareness be raised on the best ways to

01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:35.600
harness social media to ensure

01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:38.000
consistent management approach covering

01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:39.920
monitoring appropriate usage and the

01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.399
consequences of negative usage

01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:44.319
how should social media harassment be

01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:46.000
defined and what mechanisms should be

01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:47.840
introduced into the act

01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:49.680
so we also know that this is a broader

01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:53.600
sector issue which needs to be addressed

01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:55.840
in the lead up to anzac day my family

01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.079
and i listened to the amazing audiobook

01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:00.000
the happiest man in the world by eddie

01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:02.159
jaku

01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.079
a holocaust survivor and eddie talked

01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:06.560
about choosing kindness rather than hate

01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.880
in order to ensure your happiness and i

01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:11.359
have been concerned about an ongoing

01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:13.359
dialogue of hate and division and

01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.119
counsel those communications for some

01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.600
time and i hope that he chooses a path

01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:19.840
of kindness going forward for the sake

01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:21.680
of his own health and for the community

01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:24.079
that he serves

01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:25.920
thank you councillor healy um are there

01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:29.119
any other speakers to promotion

01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:31.760
i'll just ask a question um i've seen at

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:33.600
other councils in this webinar the cost

01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:35.520
of the arbitration published with

01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:37.600
findings um is it correct that we don't

01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:39.199
have those costs at this stage yeah

01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:41.600
through me we're still trying to secure

01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:43.600
those costs and i hope to have them this

01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:46.479
week for councils

01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.239
any other speakers to the question or

01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:51.119
questions counsellors

01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:52.560
council morgan we're back with you if

01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:54.239
you'd like to sum up

01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:55.520
for you mayor

01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:58.560
i answered and gave an account of why i

01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:00.880
took out this complaint when i swept

01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.680
counselor asked me to explain why i took

01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:05.520
out the complaint that i already had in

01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.840
my opening speech council blue has

01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:09.920
expressed many opinions here and he has

01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:12.159
the right to express his views

01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.760
however i feel that for me to go through

01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:17.359
and answer some of the questions he's

01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:19.680
asked me i could potentially be

01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:21.520
revealing information provided to an

01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:23.680
arbiter or produced by a liberal arbiter

01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:24.960
for the purpose of an internal

01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:27.119
articulation process other than the

01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:29.359
finding and reasons

01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.079
in the report and so i'm not going to

01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:34.479
comment on that because out of an

01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:36.640
abundance of portion i don't want to

01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:38.239
inadvertently reveal anything that is

01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:39.920
confidential information that may have

01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.399
been put into

01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.960
this process as evidence

01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:48.720
finally what i wanted to say is is that

01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.760
this is a very serious matter and

01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:53.680
counsellor behaviour and conduct is a

01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.039
very serious

01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:56.479
matter

01:35:56.560 --> 01:36:00.800
i don't support abusive racist sexist or

01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:04.720
anti-semitic behavior by anybody

01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.199
however

01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:09.520
yes you do counsel lou please don't

01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:10.880
interrupt

01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:12.720
no one interrupted you when you speak

01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:15.039
however i do have to say that this

01:36:15.119 --> 01:36:17.439
process is about councillors and it's

01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:19.119
about council of conduct and an

01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.520
independent arbiter who is very

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.239
respected in the community who was a

01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:26.239
municipal monitor at city of little city

01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:27.439
who recommended the going to

01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:29.600
administration has found that council

01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:32.159
alu did commit misconduct

01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.079
it's just more appropriate for any

01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:36.399
councillor to ever refer to a residence

01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:39.119
hall morbidly brittle body packing it in

01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:41.359
and being wheeled out of their home

01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:43.359
and that's what it comes down to

01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:45.119
and nothing else to say thank you

01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:47.359
council morgan so we'll put it to the

01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:50.560
vote to note just to remind councillors

01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:52.720
we are noting the determination and

01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:54.880
acknowledging um steps council we need

01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:57.199
to take can i please um take a vote all

01:36:57.279 --> 01:36:58.720
those in favor of adopting your

01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:00.479
recommendation and the division has been

01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.039
called so all those in favor

01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:04.880
that's carried anonymously will cast it

01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:06.800
again for the division all those in

01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:08.079
favor

01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.520
councillors healey battagol lou griffin

01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:12.399
coast

01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:15.760
sorry said scott morgan and osiris

01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:19.199
that's carried thank you councillors

01:37:19.279 --> 01:37:22.159
we move to iron mine uh correspondence

01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.000
is there any to table this evening

01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:25.600
councils

01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:27.680
just have one piece of correspondence

01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:29.920
related to agenda thank you council

01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:32.720
coast and i will table a letter from

01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.439
samuel's

01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:40.880
about council donations uh sorry i can't

01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:42.720
take donations for 20 20 local

01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:44.560
government elections and i've circulated

01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:47.119
an email copy to all councillors if that

01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:49.119
hasn't already taken place

01:37:49.199 --> 01:37:51.279
if there's no other correspondence to

01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:54.479
table uh we'll move to item 10

01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:56.399
tabling your petitions and joint letters

01:37:56.479 --> 01:37:58.399
are there any this evening none that i'm

01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:00.239
aware of

01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:03.199
item 11 is notices of motion and we do

01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:05.439
have one this evening um which is a

01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:10.239
decision is there a mover for that

01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:12.560
and a secondary

01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:14.239
council of hosts thank you council said

01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:15.840
can you just explain what we're doing

01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:17.840
here

01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:19.920
thank you thank you

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:21.600
um

01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:23.840
at the last council meeting uh council

01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:26.239
voted uh four five

01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:28.760
to the refusal of an

01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:31.279
application uh for one four one one four

01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:33.920
five two one five one high street param

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:35.840
um

01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:38.239
that made that

01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:40.720
decision really bothered me

01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:42.960
uh we did have a huge agenda that

01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.279
evening i think we're all

01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:46.560
exhausted

01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:48.239
and i wanted to bring this matter back

01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:50.319
before council so that we could reassess

01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:51.840
the decision

01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:52.880
because

01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.199
just to remind councillors

01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:57.439
planning is a very complex

01:38:57.520 --> 01:38:58.960
part of our role

01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:01.039
there's a lot involved

01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:02.800
there are aspects of it that are

01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:04.079
mandatory

01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:05.760
which makes our life a bit easier

01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:08.079
because there are rules that we

01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.399
must abide by irrespective whether in

01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:12.000
stonington or whether it's across the

01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:13.199
state

01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:14.640
and then there's other aspects of it

01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:16.720
which is subjective and that's when we

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:18.960
all come together and we make a decision

01:39:19.039 --> 01:39:21.359
on different values to us

01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:23.680
now quite rightly there was a concern

01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:26.319
about going over the preferred height

01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:29.279
in high street by two and a half metres

01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:32.399
however many mayor as i go through the

01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.359
report again in the context of how the

01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:36.880
development that's been approved in the

01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:39.039
evolution of high street

01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:40.800
that two and a half meters as a

01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:42.159
preferred height

01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:44.880
uh going over a preferred height is not

01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:46.720
not an amber claim on behalf of the

01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:48.640
developer i'd certainly have significant

01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:51.520
concerns if they were going three two

01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:53.600
three four five stories above what the

01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:55.119
preferred height was

01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:57.199
but in this context madame

01:39:57.279 --> 01:39:58.720
we're talking about an application

01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:00.560
that's been worked through with our

01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:04.000
urban designer top heritage consultants

01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:06.640
top architects for nearly 12 months

01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:08.399
it's a revision of a proposal that had

01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:10.640
previously been refused by this council

01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:12.319
and what we're seeing is the restoration

01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:14.720
of the heritage building that has really

01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:17.840
been left um to become quite dilapidated

01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:20.000
and unused and certainly not to the

01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:21.680
calibre that the building offers into

01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:25.439
the streetscape um so in my view two and

01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:27.840
a half metres of preferred of height

01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:29.760
above the preferred way we have to be

01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:32.079
reminded that is a recommendation it's

01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:34.640
not mandatory and just to give council

01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:36.319
some context

01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:39.039
this is at 145 but 87 high street is

01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:40.680
eight stories

01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:44.720
26.17 meters 99 and 108 high street is

01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:46.840
10 stories

01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:49.920
32.58 metres now these were ones that

01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:51.840
neither i was not comfortable with and b

01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:53.920
these both went to vk and unfortunately

01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:55.760
um council's decision got overturned and

01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:58.319
they were approved 105 high street nine

01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:02.239
meters 28.9 meters so this metamer

01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:04.800
coming in at 23.5

01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:07.119
metres in the context of what is the

01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:08.800
evolution of that part of the

01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:12.079
streetscape from charles street up to

01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:14.479
chapel street is not unusual two and a

01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:16.560
half meters in the grand scheme is not a

01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:19.439
lot we have two objections to this

01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.279
none of those objectives have contacted

01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:23.520
southward councils to my knowledge

01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:25.199
um and what we're really doing is

01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:27.520
sending this if

01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.079
the council is not too of the view to

01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:32.800
approve the proposal is put before us we

01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:34.960
will be sending this to v cash i am

01:41:35.039 --> 01:41:36.560
really concerned we may lose a lot of

01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:38.079
the concessions that

01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.039
our planners have have put um have put

01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:42.159
through in the

01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:44.399
recommendations and the conditions you

01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:47.039
know we've got and a building that's now

01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:48.800
the old and the newest delineated is

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:50.239
required under the viral charter for

01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:52.239
heritage we've got a glass atrium in the

01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:53.199
center

01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:55.600
um and madame air i really do think this

01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:58.479
is an optimal outcome for the site and

01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:00.079
you know again two and a half meters

01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:01.840
it's not that much in the context of the

01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:03.279
environment the evolving environment

01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:05.119
that i've mentioned so i hope that those

01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:06.560
councils that weren't supported at the

01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:08.479
last meeting would reconsider their view

01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:10.399
on this matter thank you thank you

01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:11.800
councillor

01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:15.039
um yeah just um briefly i agree with

01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:17.119
everything councilor says said and she

01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:18.800
knows planning inside out she's one of

01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:20.960
the best counsellors ever on on planning

01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:22.560
matters and knows that area particularly

01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:25.039
well also in the context of the site and

01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:26.479
he's really in touch with the community

01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.039
expectations so if she's supportive of

01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:30.640
this on the grounds that she's outlined

01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:32.319
i think it stacks up i think it stacks

01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:34.319
up on planning grounds and

01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:36.239
there's been a lot of concessions made

01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:38.000
in this application the applicant has

01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:39.920
worked really hard with officers to get

01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:42.399
a really good outcome there's no heat in

01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:44.319
the local community over the application

01:42:44.399 --> 01:42:45.680
and if we refuse it it sends all the

01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:47.520
wrong signals it sends to developers the

01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:49.840
message there's no point discussing

01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:51.279
seriously with offices making

01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:53.199
compromises because council's just going

01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:54.479
to block it anyway and you'll be off the

01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:56.000
vca sometimes we'll just go straight to

01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:58.800
vcat we've got one of the best respected

01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:01.439
planning departments in victoria we need

01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:03.279
to keep it that way our offices have

01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.039
recommended in favor

01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:06.640
i've got a local councillor who's

01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:08.880
strongly in favor i thoroughly support

01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:11.119
the rescission motion and um and backing

01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:12.640
this project

01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:14.880
thank you councillor um i'll open it up

01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:17.520
for discussion councillor griffin um

01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:19.359
thank you mia it's always embarrassing

01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:22.000
to have to change your mind publicly

01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:24.399
but sometimes it's it's an important

01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:25.600
thing to do

01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:27.279
and i've listened very carefully to what

01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.920
you've had to say councillor there um

01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:32.000
and i visited the site

01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:33.760
which i hadn't had time to do before i

01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:35.760
mean this is a very embarrassing mission

01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:39.279
in a public meeting we had a huge agenda

01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:41.680
and i've had time to really reconsider

01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:44.560
this and i support um i support your

01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.119
recession notice thank you thank you any

01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:49.199
further comments

01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:52.560
counselor thank you man uh the i

01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:54.640
actually i'm not embarrassed by having a

01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:56.319
change of mind i think it actually shows

01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:59.039
great strength and brave and courage of

01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:00.720
character to actually admit that you

01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:02.720
were wrong so so i have no problem doing

01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:04.960
that whatsoever as you mentioned it was

01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:06.960
a packed agenda i think also there's

01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:08.560
some information that's come to hand

01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:11.119
since the recipient that was not evident

01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:13.600
in the offices report so it mentions

01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:15.520
that the previous

01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:17.359
proposal was rejected which included a

01:44:17.439 --> 01:44:18.800
full demolition i've since found out

01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:20.479
that was actually a different applicant

01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:22.159
so you jumped to a conclusion thinking

01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:23.600
it was the same applicant but it's a

01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:25.039
different applicant so this is actually

01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:27.119
a new applicant bringing a new proposal

01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:28.640
which they've worked very diligently

01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:29.680
through

01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:30.880
as you mentioned they've gone to great

01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.119
lengths

01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:34.880
the two objections i have to say was

01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:36.000
something that was sitting a bit

01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:38.319
uncomfortably with me with bringing the

01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.439
amendment past council meeting but i

01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:43.600
also have a i have it's a something that

01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:45.279
i feel deeply with is the emerging

01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:46.960
character and the preferred height limit

01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:48.560
so it's how do you balance those two

01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:50.159
things out

01:44:50.239 --> 01:44:52.079
it's also i talked about the

01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:54.640
the different views on community benefit

01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:56.479
and i've received some advice from

01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:58.159
council officers on how you define

01:44:58.239 --> 01:44:59.760
community benefit what that means and

01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:02.479
really it is up to interpretation and i

01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:03.680
think on this one i'm just gonna have to

01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:05.520
go to the officer's recommendation which

01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:07.039
is that they believe this is community

01:45:07.119 --> 01:45:08.720
benefit it might not be what i think is

01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:11.359
community benefit but um but i'm happy

01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:14.159
to go with the experts and and say that

01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:17.520
i was wrong thank you counsellor any

01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:21.119
other speakers to the motion

01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:22.880
i'll just say that given it is a very

01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:24.960
unique situation and people watching may

01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:26.560
be wondering what on earth we're doing

01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:28.239
it is just essentially you know we have

01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:30.239
the ability as councillors to lodge a

01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.000
decision motion after a decision has

01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:33.520
been made we've got a limited amount of

01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:35.840
time after a council meeting to do so

01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:37.920
and it is creating nine and a half years

01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.000
on council this may only be the second

01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:42.880
one the third one i've ever experienced

01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:45.039
so we don't we don't you know use these

01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:47.039
mechanisms as political weapons or

01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:48.720
anything like that it is because

01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:50.800
councillor genuinely thought that we had

01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:53.039
made um the wrong the wrong decision and

01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:55.039
i signed onto the motion with the same

01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:57.760
belief um we are absolutely allowed to

01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.000
change our minds and good leaders do

01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:01.760
that when they acknowledge that that's

01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:03.600
something they feel that they need to do

01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:05.199
it doesn't necessarily mean a mistake

01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:07.199
was made previously it can just say that

01:46:07.279 --> 01:46:09.119
different information has come to light

01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:10.560
or we have a different perspective on

01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:12.000
what's before us today and that's

01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:14.560
completely okay it would be much more i

01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:16.560
think a problem if we were the types to

01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:18.479
really dig our heels in and stick with

01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:20.560
what we did previously if we didn't

01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:22.800
actually um believe that view anymore

01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:24.079
and wanted to change our minds but

01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:25.760
didn't feel comfortable to do so so i

01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.000
absolutely applaud um any counsellor

01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:30.079
that has chosen to do that this evening

01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:31.600
um on the balance of the information

01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:33.920
that is before us um and now i will be

01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:36.000
supporting the application as i also

01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:38.079
believe it will be just brilliant for

01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:40.479
the area and the low level of um

01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:42.800
objections given in such a high density

01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:44.880
area that typically attracts a lot of

01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:48.159
objection i think speaks volumes so um

01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:50.239
i i support this motion

01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:52.880
any other speakers counselors

01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:54.239
council said we're back with you if

01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:56.239
you'd like to summer um thank you mayor

01:46:56.319 --> 01:46:57.920
um and thank you to those councils for

01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.319
your honesty bravery it's it is hard and

01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:01.760
i can tell you sitting in this table or

01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:03.439
i've gone home and thought voted the

01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:06.000
wrong way on that one and you know and

01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:08.319
it's sat very uncomfortably with me

01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:11.920
um so thank you all for you know for for

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.239
listening to me taking it on board and

01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:16.239
also acknowledging planning is really

01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:19.279
really hard um it really does test your

01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:21.920
values um you know i've had much longer

01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.960
at it so i've admit and read many vcat

01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:26.800
decisions around community benefit and

01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:29.119
know when i can mount an argument when i

01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:30.960
can't but i know this is the right

01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:32.479
outcome and i thank everybody for their

01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:33.600
support

01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:35.359
well done okay councillors let's proceed

01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:37.359
to the votes are all those in favor of

01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.880
the recision which is to approve the

01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:42.319
application that's carried anonymously

01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:44.239
thank you councillors

01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:47.039
so we move to item 12 reports by

01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:49.199
councillors are there any reports this

01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:51.840
evening

01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:54.880
no um fantastic thank you councillors

01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:57.279
item 13 is questions

01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:59.920
officers um are there any counselors

01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:02.319
thank you mayor yes through you i've got

01:48:02.399 --> 01:48:04.720
a question i think mr mclaughlin is the

01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:06.800
person answering this question i'm

01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:08.479
really interested to know mr mclaughlin

01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:10.159
how many trees will be planted this

01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:11.199
autumn

01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:14.479
uh will they be infill or in new areas

01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:18.640
uh and if the latter which areas and

01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:20.560
sorry so casually just all questions

01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:22.479
through the chair we've got a lot of

01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:24.079
acting staff this evening who may not

01:48:24.159 --> 01:48:26.479
have the information but we have we have

01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:28.079
the answers for you

01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:29.840
so can you finish your question it was a

01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:31.600
question we've noticed so i do know mr

01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:33.680
mclaughlin has the answer but through

01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:35.760
you ms weatherall

01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:38.000
i'll start again how many trees will be

01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:40.319
planted this autumn will they be infill

01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:42.880
or in new areas uh if the ladder which

01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.279
areas and what is the total spend on me

01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:47.760
trees yeah three of you there

01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:49.600
councils spending seven hundred thousand

01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:52.239
dollars um each year in regards to

01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:54.560
planting of young trees

01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:57.039
um and between now and june we've got

01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:00.239
approximately 600 trees being planted so

01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:02.159
they're young trees that we established

01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:03.840
right across the muse valley in all

01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:05.840
sorts of different periods and then in

01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:08.000
the second half of the year between july

01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:10.640
and december there's between 600 and 900

01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:12.960
trees being planted again across the

01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:14.479
municipality

01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:16.560
thank you

01:49:16.640 --> 01:49:19.199
and also through you mayor to ms federal

01:49:19.279 --> 01:49:20.319
um

01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:22.560
i've had residents asking me about ward

01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:25.039
meetings and i'm just wondering have we

01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:27.520
set some dates for the

01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:29.680
board meetings as yet yeah through you

01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:31.920
mayor um you'll remember that there's a

01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:34.640
relevant resolution from council for us

01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:37.600
to test meet your council and listening

01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:39.520
to posts so we'll be bringing a report

01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:40.960
back once

01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:42.479
opportunity to do something thank you so

01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:43.840
much

01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:45.680
yeah thank you

01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.560
uh any other questions

01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:51.359
um can the ceo please advise the public

01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:53.760
of recent changes to council briefings

01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:56.079
procedure and is it correct that free

01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:58.319
things are no longer confidential what

01:49:58.399 --> 01:50:00.079
steps are being made

01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:02.159
to make sure what occurs in briefings

01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:04.159
are publicly accessible

01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:06.319
yesterday

01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:09.439
um under the previous local government

01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:11.840
distant public's benefit um the city of

01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:14.079
stonington and all local governments got

01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:16.880
a new local government act um the local

01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:18.800
government act 2020. so under the

01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:20.479
previous local government act that we've

01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:23.359
had for a long period of time um council

01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:26.560
ceos had the capacity to designate all

01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:29.359
um council briefings as confidential so

01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:30.880
there was different confidentiality

01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:32.560
provisions under the previous

01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:34.640
development act

01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:36.880
the custom and practice of the previous

01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:39.359
act local governments had continued in

01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:42.079
including stonington into the new local

01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:43.920
government act um

01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:45.600
with the customer practice that they

01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:48.079
were confidential briefings but the

01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:50.479
question was asked of me around the new

01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:53.279
local government act to review that um a

01:50:53.359 --> 01:50:55.279
short while ago and so i went through

01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:58.079
and mr thompson and i both took legal

01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:00.640
counsel around that and investigated it

01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:02.800
and are now well aware that the

01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:05.279
confidential information provisions

01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:07.279
within the local government act section

01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:08.319
three

01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:10.000
graphics one

01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:12.479
are clearly listed and in future

01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.159
briefing items that meet the

01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:16.079
confidentiality requirements and i won't

01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:17.680
go through all of them there's quite a

01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:19.680
lot of various items it would be things

01:51:19.760 --> 01:51:20.720
like

01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:22.800
commercially confidence material

01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:24.960
regarding a tender for example would

01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:27.039
make the confidentiality provisions

01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:29.520
those items will remain as being

01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:32.560
confidential items but draft reports

01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:34.079
that are coming up for a council

01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:36.880
briefing which are not subject to one of

01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:39.439
those confidentiality provisions

01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.960
won't be designated as confidential

01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:44.479
thank you mrs

01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:45.199
um

01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:45.920
can

01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:48.479
miss weather or can you please advise if

01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:50.800
brendan call has contacted the council

01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:52.960
seeking to convince the council to use a

01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:55.279
particular flooring product that he has

01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:56.800
a commercial interest in and purchase

01:51:56.880 --> 01:51:58.800
your global memorial park and if you're

01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:01.279
unable to answer that question can you

01:52:01.359 --> 01:52:03.600
please advise why

01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:05.520
the first question i don't know what the

01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:07.680
answer is but there's no explanation

01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:10.560
needed if the answer can't be divided

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um through you madame and i have

01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:14.960
actually um oh mr thompson i have

01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.520
responded to council louis garcia but i

01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:18.720
just remind

01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:21.039
the public in particular that council

01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:24.000
every day receives many many submissions

01:52:24.079 --> 01:52:25.760
from the public around products and

01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:27.039
services

01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:28.399
and

01:52:28.479 --> 01:52:31.439
on any occasion ordinarily um if an

01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:34.159
individual um sends a piece of

01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:35.840
correspondence like that to a council

01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:37.920
staff member on an operational issue

01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:39.680
which contains personal information

01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:42.000
about the resident and the information

01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:44.880
privacy principle set out in the privacy

01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:47.279
and data protection act 2014 aren't

01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:49.760
engaged disclosure for a purpose other

01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:51.279
than the primary purpose for which the

01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:53.920
information is provided is

01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:57.039
as you know generally not permitted

01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.920
i gather from your earlier email

01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:01.520
that you are seeking access on the

01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:03.279
ground the report going to council names

01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:05.039
the resident common law council's right

01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:06.880
of access to documents is limited to

01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:08.640
documents that are relevant to an issue

01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:10.800
coming before council for a decision and

01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:12.800
respect of which access is necessary in

01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:15.039
order for council to discharge their

01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:16.640
functions when participating in the

01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.520
decision making curiosity or an indirect

01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:22.399
motive are insufficient

01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:23.359
um

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and lastly

01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:26.640
um

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i've been contacted by residents this

01:53:29.039 --> 01:53:30.960
week in finch street

01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:33.119
concerned that bicycle sharrows are

01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.760
insufficient to

01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:38.880
to ensure the safety of cyclists within

01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:41.920
our suburban streets what steps is

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:43.920
council taking to provide adequate

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:45.760
safety to cyclists

01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:49.520
in suburban streets

01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:53.399
is

01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:56.239
are a relatively expensive treatment to

01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:58.079
sign close to cyclists alternative

01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:00.159
routes of the arterial road system so

01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:00.920
it's

01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:02.960
advantageous to be able to use the local

01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:05.279
street

01:54:06.159 --> 01:54:07.439
to travel

01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:09.359
and as well as encourage motorists using

01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:10.960
those local screws to show that slow

01:54:11.039 --> 01:54:12.560
down and share the road

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uh we're in implementing a number of

01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:20.880
uh we intend to

01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:22.239
of all of those unders

01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:24.000
just to do their effectiveness and if

01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:25.359
additional traffic treatments are

01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:27.520
required in relation to finish through

01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.319
specifically which previously consulted

01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:32.640
on tracking treatments in pink street we

01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:34.399
could not get community support for

01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:36.399
traffic treatments we have been working

01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:38.239
with the department of transport to

01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:40.239
progress 40 kilometer per hour speed

01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:42.479
limits in those streets at spring street

01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:45.439
and adjacent streets as well as right

01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:47.199
turn restrictions in the pre-power to

01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:51.399
assist the issues

01:54:56.159 --> 01:55:00.479
any other questions from counsellors

01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:03.439
thank you man um i know tonight that i

01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:05.199
heard the council of louis considering

01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:07.680
legal options and i read in the age that

01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:09.760
that includes possibly a supreme court

01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:10.800
challenge

01:55:10.880 --> 01:55:13.039
can i confirm if this goes ahead who

01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:14.479
would be responsible for paying the

01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:18.319
legal costs or would stormington

01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:26.239
i think there's a variety of

01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:28.159
variables

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any other questions

01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:33.520
councillors let's move to item 14 urgent

01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:35.439
business is there any to raise this

01:55:35.520 --> 01:55:37.039
evening

01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:37.920
no

01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:41.199
under item 15 any other general business

01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:42.159
councillor

01:55:42.239 --> 01:55:44.880
um thanks may i just wanted to report to

01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:47.199
everyone and to remind residents about

01:55:47.279 --> 01:55:49.039
the fantastic sculpture exhibition

01:55:49.119 --> 01:55:52.319
interactive lich council healey castelo

01:55:52.399 --> 01:55:56.159
coast and i attended a red carpet event

01:55:56.239 --> 01:55:58.399
which was really nice after this long

01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:01.760
overdull time to actually see red

01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:04.720
carpet on these pavements

01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:06.640
even though it started pouring with rain

01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:08.479
which was a bit tricky but it was a

01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:10.880
really lovely event it was a new venue

01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:14.479
new food a whole new time and atmosphere

01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:15.279
and

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i also want to congratulate vickland on

01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:18.960
offering ten thousand dollars for the

01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:20.800
winning scope to the winning sculpture

01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:22.560
which was fabulous

01:56:22.640 --> 01:56:24.720
um so it was a really great event and i

01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.479
want to congratulate the turret traders

01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:28.880
and tracy cameron from putting on such a

01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:31.279
great event that we all enjoy

01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:32.960
thank you thank you councillor griffin

01:56:33.039 --> 01:56:34.479
and the other speakers on a different

01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:36.239
topic council

01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:38.159
i mean it was it was a great um it was a

01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:40.640
great exhibition and okay it's a great

01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:42.720
leather exhibition in our city in our

01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:44.720
part of northward they missed out on it

01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:46.560
last year so we had to it was cancelled

01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:48.000
last year dude

01:56:48.079 --> 01:56:49.680
so first time it's come back after a

01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:52.239
year missy we've got over 80 sculptures

01:56:52.319 --> 01:56:54.479
in the area it was great to be able to

01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:56.079
mix with some of the artists who have

01:56:56.159 --> 01:56:58.000
not been able to get out and socialize

01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:00.239
for the last couple of years and to also

01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:01.840
meet all the traders as well and it was

01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:03.680
a really well attended event on a very

01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:05.279
wet night i think councillor griffin as

01:57:05.359 --> 01:57:06.640
well

01:57:06.720 --> 01:57:08.479
so yeah again also encourage people to

01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:10.000
go out and see the sculptures it's all

01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:11.920
about making our city a destination

01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:13.760
point and making it different to other

01:57:13.840 --> 01:57:15.840
places it's really good can you cancel

01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.000
the case any other speakers under

01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:20.079
general business

01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:24.680
i don't need to talk to it come on

01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:28.159
all right councillors um well we don't

01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:30.159
have any confidential business um to

01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:32.159
discuss this evening so i would like to

01:57:32.239 --> 01:57:35.039
officially close the meeting at 8 57 pm

01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:37.600
and thank everyone for the

01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:39.760
the gallery for attending anyone at home

01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:40.800
watching

01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:42.720
please enjoy the rest of your evening

01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:46.359
thank you very much