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good evening counselors and members of

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the gallery welcome to tonight's council

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meeting on the 12th of December 2022 my

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name is Jami Klisaris and I'm the mayor

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of Stonnington I would like to begin by

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reading our statement of reconciliation

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the City of Stonnington acknowledges that

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we are meeting on the traditional lands

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of the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrong peoples of

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the East Kulin Nations and pay our

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respect to their Elders past present and

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emerging we extend that respect to all

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Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

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peoples we acknowledge the 

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connection to Country relationship with

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the land and all living things sending

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back tens of thousands of years I'll

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move to the reading of our statement and

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commitment

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which I don't have in front of me so

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while we're obtaining that I'll actually

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quickly go to introductions

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um so um online tonight we do have

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counselor Alexander Lew who I believe is

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having some technical difficulties

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um the staff are working with things

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being connected so hopefully we'll see

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you shortly on my right is counselor

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Kate Hely from Northward

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councilor Nicki Batagol from

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Southward councilor Marcia Griffin from

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Northward councilor Matthew Koce from

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Northward councilor Melina Sehr from

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Southward councilor Mike Scott from

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Southward and councilor Polly Morgan

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from Eastward before we introduce the

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staff I will just read out our statement

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of commitment

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we are reminded that as Council as we

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are bound by our oath of office to

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undertake The Genius of counselor in the

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best interest of the people of the city

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of Stonnington and to faithfully and do

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partially carry out the functions powers

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authorities and Discretions invested in

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us under the Local Government Act and

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any other relevant Act

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to my right is Mr Rick Kwasek our

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interim chief executive officer can I

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please ask you to introduce our staff

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thank you Mayor behind me we

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have Tasi Rahann IT Support Officer

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Judy Hogan Civic Support Officer 

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? Lawford executive assistant to the

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Mayor counselors

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to my right we have Jane Wright acting

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manager Communications and engagement

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Annaliese Batista director planning in

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Place Alex Castentiotis manager

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statutory planning and to my far right we

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have Kath Harrod director of community

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and well-being Daniella Mazon acting

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Chief customer and transformation

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officer Simon Holloway acting director

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of the environment and infrastructure

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and to my left we have David Thompson

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executive manager of legal and ?

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thank you thank you

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and we are being really joined by

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Council who virtually this evening

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Council Lew can you hear us

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okay good

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um so we're just at apologies there are

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none for tonight's council meeting and I

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presume none to

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to lodge given it's our last meeting

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of the Year great we'll go to

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confirmation of the minutes of the

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previous meetings we have two sets

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tonight from the 22nd of November and

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the 28th of November can I take a moment

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to adopt the minutes thank you councilor

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Scott and the second up thank you

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Council Morgan

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um any commentary questions or issues

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with either set

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we'll proceed to the vote all those in

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favor of adoption that's carried

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unanimously thank you to counselors

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we moved to item six disclosure of

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conflicts of interest are there any

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University Council healing yep um I've

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got a conflict a general conflict of

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interest on item 8.11

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um I use the leasing agent

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[Applause]

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councilor Hely are there any other

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conflicts Council Morgan yes um thank

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you Mayor I have a conflict of item 8.2

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which is the Wattletree Road

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Mountaineers planning item I've got a

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perceived conflict of interest uh for

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this a planning application as a friend

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who helped with my election campaign in

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2020 lives next door to the papayas

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development so out of an abundance of

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portion I'm just declaring our thoughts

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of Interest thank you Council Morgan any

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other conflicts for tonight's agenda

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thank you so councils when we get to

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those respective items please just

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restate your conflict and we'll ask you

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to believe

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from item 70s questions from the

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community we do not receive any for

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tonight's council meeting

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so we moved to item eight our general

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business which we're all here for

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tonight

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um councilors I emailed everyone earlier

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to propose that we move item 8.11 the

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proposed weeks of six and seven are

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minor Crescent South yarra up to our

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first item and I will provide a reason

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for that before doing so it is probably

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best at Council here we does recuse

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yourself but firstly are we all

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comfortable with moving that item up

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that's that's what I think Council Keely

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um just quickly very stated again yeah

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so again a general conflict of interest

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I've used the leasing agent thank you

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Council healing we'll call you back

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shortly

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and so counselors and members of gallery

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and those watching online

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um item 8.11 does on now

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um

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decisions to be made on the item at the

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time of briefing last Monday we did not

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have anyone that had taken up the

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opportunity to provide a solution

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tonight

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um ordinarily where we do have

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submissions we always will do these

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items first however this afternoon we

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all received an email from someone who

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would like to give a submission on the

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item

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um their name is Ethan and I believe

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they are in the gallery oh yes hello

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um so if you'd like to come down on the

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swing

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us

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thanks for joining us tonight Ethan so

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what will happen is you'll be provided

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with up to three minutes to provide your

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submission counselors can ask questions

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but only a clarification

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um we um we can't ask you to elaborate

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on anything or debate anything that you

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say

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um so if you're comfortable wearing your

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hands and I'm happy to keep your

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submission yep good evening councilors

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and everybody else um thank you for your

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time I'll try to keep it as brief as

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possible I trust everyone's gone over my

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submission that I've sent through I

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guess in essence it's just in relation

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to that lease that six and seven Almeda

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Crescent in South yarra my submission is

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the objection for the lease on the

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premise that's uh we believe there was a

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representation made to us that we had

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secured the lease many months ago there

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was back and forth correspondence with

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the leasing agents and the clear

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representation had been made via email

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when we had believed that it had come to

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a conclusion that we would um answer

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into a heads of agreement

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um following discussions had it's

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progressed to know what radio silence

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where we hadn't heard back from the

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leasing agent

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time went past correspondence was had

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and then we had learned that the

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property was pulled from the market

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there was some discussions had the

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leasing agent that there was some

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governance

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reasons why that happened

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the actual definitions of why what's

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happened wasn't clear I was constantly

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having contact with losing agent and

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then it was just yeah he went to the

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point there was radio silence and then

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we had learned that it was um yeah

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pulled from the market and then I was I

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was made aware of the intention to lease

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the property

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so I've made a submission for an

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objection and asked for you not to

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support the motion to re-put the

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property out for the intention to lease

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on that basis

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thank you Ethan our counselors are there

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any questions and clarification so I

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just want to understand it yeah you're

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still interested in losing the property

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yeah so why would you not be going

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forward with the next

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option I just don't have confidence in

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the

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progressing of of the lease so the

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discussions I've had with

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the new leasing agent it seems as if

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it's not preferable to list to us for

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some unknown reason and that's just the

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vibe that I've got from the leasing

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agent

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that's Justified no you haven't actually

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got anything in Russia

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yeah

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no I don't have anything substantial in

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writing or that I could look forward to

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you and say this is the reason why I'm

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not comfortable

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on on on the new set of leaks but

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obviously like there's there's a change

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of circumstances today than there was

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six months ago so six months ago when we

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took the rest to put that offer forward

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and say okay we're gonna go out in the

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limb here on the basis of the economic

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conditions and and agree to this lease

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it was a very different set of economic

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conditions than it was today so I guess

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when you consider economic stances

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um it's different it will be different

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in two months and it was six months ago

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and we're in a position to make that

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offer six months ago and there's

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obviously going to be a much more

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competition moving forward than there

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was six months ago when we made that

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offer

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so the figure will be higher now

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according to you much higher yes yes

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which that's it's come back in the um

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the market review it's come back it was

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I think it was

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around about 280 000 combined as opposed

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to 200 000 and there it's probably

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unlikely now that there won't be a lease

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uh any sort of incentive period of a

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lease free period where we extend it

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initially on the basis that we're going

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to spend upwards of half a million

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dollars in the fit out

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um that was the discussions had the

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leasing agent to secure that incentive

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period

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was the lease fully signed and agreed

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well it was radio silence when we got to

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that so we agreed on the terms and then

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like there was nothing like that so

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whether they had gone and seen that

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there was a governance issue with that

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which there was a there was a governance

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issue it was illegal to go to the next

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section under the government act because

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it exceeded the 300 000 threshold

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that was there was radio and silence

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after that so I assume that's why why it

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stopped but there was full intention

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then to my to my knowledge like it

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should have been like a close a close

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deal

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um so there was nothing signed did you

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see any terms did you see any contract

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at all is there anything emailed through

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to you uh so the terms would be emailed

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through which I shared with you guys

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um and then when we were supposed to

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progress through to the heads of

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agreement nothing nothing came through

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I'd seen the least terms from the

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previous tenant that which was

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substantially less which that's why I

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thought it was a fair offer when we

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considered they were paying around 60

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000 per year

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um to our offer like it seemed very

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reasonable and that's why there was back

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and forward correspondence But to answer

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your question directly I hadn't seen

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a formal active agreement because that's

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that's where it was that was

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obviously it was stopped thank you thank

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you any other questions counselors

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Ethan thank you so much thanks

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[Applause]

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[Applause]

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so we have the

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recommendation before us can I ask if

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there is a recommendation

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so we're going to the elmeda Crescent

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now are we okay

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[Applause]

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um

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I'll ask a question because questions

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can can be asked beforehand um to I

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guess Mr classic in the absence of his

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galachi

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um is counter Bound By Any legislation

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to go out and do a statutory processes

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um

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um under Section 115 of the local

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government Council needs to actually

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advertise to enable them or to provide

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authority to actually enter into police

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that is either inaccess of

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integrator or in excess of hundred

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thousand dollars so it's actually a

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statutory requirement to do that and

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that's the process that has been gone

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through and the purpose of tonight's

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resolution is really to provide

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authority to actually negotiate and

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enter into a lease on that basis

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it's actually 100

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there was a previous requirement around

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the tenure of the life of the list in

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the in the old act so regardless of any

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changes that might have occurred in the

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new act it's still still a requirement

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um okay councilor Coast is the movie

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We're with you so um the recent Council

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owns this property is it was originally

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well Council seeking to acquire the

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whole site for open space and that's

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outlined under the executive summary but

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it's going to take us a long time to

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acquire the whole area because there are

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separate lease Holdings for for

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different dwellings within that that

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commercial building so what this report

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seeks to do is to list six and seven

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Almeda Crescent South yarra for a period

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of up to 10 years

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and council's executive team agreed at

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the sixth September meeting at the

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acquisition funding design and

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development of a future public open

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space could not be achieved within

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five-year time Horizon allowing Council

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entering to a lease term of up to 10

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Years it'll be five years with an option

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for a further five years which provides

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a positive Financial outcome for the

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local community and gives us time to

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acquire further properties there the

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resolution spells it out we're not

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deciding tonight we won't be deciding as

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councilors on who gets the lease what

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we're doing is we're noting that there's

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two submissions received in relation to

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the statutory process that we've gone to

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through

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we're approving to proceed with the

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intention to lease six and seven seven

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Almeda Crescent South yarra we're

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advising all the parties that provided

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submissions in response to the notice of

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intention to lease six and seven Almeida

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and it council's decision to proceed to

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lease the property so they're not

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deciding here but just to lease it

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approve the Chief Financial Officer to

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negotiate and execute the lease for six

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and seven Amita Crescent in South yarra

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in accordance with the requirements of

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section 115 of the Local Government Act

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2020 and the independent valuation

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advice or proper process has been

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followed and finally we know Council

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officers will finalize exclusive

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Authority with Aston commercial to

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negotiate a 10-year lease after Council

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has resolved to pursue its intention to

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lease six and servant Almeda Crescent

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South yarra so it will be up to um to

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Aston commercial to negotiate that

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10-year lease with with interested

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parties on a commercial term and um and

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anyone who's interested in leasing

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should go through that process it's a

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proper process

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but Newcastle Coast Council Morgan as

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the second one would you like to speak

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uh no just um I think

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there are council posters if somebody's

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up uh very clearly thank you all of you

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enough to say further discussion on this

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item um thanks thanks man yes this does

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not preclude the submission from

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applying across

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the question is clarified

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um I'm Point 12 it says Essence

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commercial misunderstanding of the

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statutory process has created some

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confusion for instance parties so keep

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the three year mark can we be assured

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that Essen commercial don't have any

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further misunderstanding in this process

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it's classic and through me yes we can

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if there's nothing further Council of

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course you need to sum up nothing

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further we'll see to the vote all those

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in favor

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that's Carrie enormously thank you

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Kansas and thank you

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so cast as we will resume our ordinary

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meeting unfortunately counselor Luke has

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dropped off I'm not sure if he is able

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to rejoin but at the moment um he's not

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with us we'll keep trying but we moved

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to item 8.1 planning application at 671

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talking straight backyard and while

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we're introducing that item Mr Thompson

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he's going to get um councilman Healy

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[Applause]

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[Applause]

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foreign

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[Music]

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so the alternate recommendation changes

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from the office recommendation and

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looks to have a reduction in Building

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height to 18 Stories versus the 22 that

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the first floor plan is annotated to

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specify Community Asset to be under the

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exclusive management Council and also

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provision of continuous canopy along the

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building Frontage for weather protection

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otherwise most other elements so

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basically is there a second after that

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Council if you're coming back Council

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Julie where are you thank you um I'd

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first like to acknowledge that there's

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been a significant outpouring of

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community concern in relation to

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discipline application it's 671 Chapel

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Street South yarra

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um and a lot of that Community concern

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we heard as an awful councils during the

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community consultation and they included

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concerns about the impact of light the

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wind of over development impacts on the

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value of others properties excessive

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bulk and height privacy loss traffic and

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concerns about what genuine Community

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benefit really is

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and I think in response to these

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concerns off in response to these

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concerns officers still recommended that

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the application is to be approved and it

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helps I think to understand the previous

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application when it went to vcat which

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was approved by Council um as far as

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having a 22-story building and a 300

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square meter Council run community space

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with access from Chapel Street and it

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was a much more bulky building than the

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one that currently the application is

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before us this was subsequently I

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returned at vcat

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and they sit and the vicat said in that

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in that appeal that the design before us

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is Too Tall too broad and too close to

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its boundary with the Melbourne High

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School building

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um and the tribunal also had an issue

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with the setback to the high school site

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the new building is seen to address all

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these concerns about bulk and setbacks

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and it has a reduced building footprint

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and the revised built form the setbacks

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have been increased to six meters from

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the North and South boundaries however

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the design does not reduce the height of

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the building even though that was an

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issue that was raised at vcat

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um again one of the clear things that

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was coming through from in the

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consultation meeting

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and in the emails and I think also when

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I reflected on myself is that

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um

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whenever there's a whenever a building

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goes above what the preferred height

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limits are there's usually this idea

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that there will be some Community

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benefit and I I really reject the idea

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that providing a space for use by

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Melbourne High School is a community

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benefit it is a great benefit for that

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school but it's not a great benefit to

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our broader Community this alternative

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therefore ensures that this space is

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exclusively run by the council for the

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benefit of the full community

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I also note that the current proposed

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community space is larger than the prior

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application I think it's 300 versus 350.

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um but this version doesn't have direct

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access from Chapel Street

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um and nor does it have the car parking

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that was offered in the original

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application per application

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which brings us to a discussion on

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height as well so although the prior

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application was approved by council at

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22 stories which is nearly twice the

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preferred height I wasn't on Council

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then and I see this building standing

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out like a like a rhino's horn directly

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next to sites that are much lower in

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profile and I know and I also note that

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our community recently told us in our

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review of the planning scheme that

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they're very concerned about over

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development and that the Forest Hill

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area is the most dramatic example of

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this over development

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but at the same time I have to be a

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little bit realistic

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um and I think it would be an impossible

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protest within the planning process to

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reject the building outright as many

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residents have emailed to say that they

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would like us as counselors to do so

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however what we are requesting is a

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reduction in four flaws which will bring

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the building again from 22 to 18 and

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it'll be more similar in height to the

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building called The Avenue which is

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around the corner of Alexandra and

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chapel and more similar to what Olsen

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hotel is and I see Capital Grand as this

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abnormality and it should not be used as

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reference as to what is a supposed

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Building height transition

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and it also should be that I think there

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should be a competition as far as let's

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get the tallest building let's try and

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get more get taller because that got

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taller we can get taller again that

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shouldn't be what we're encouraging this

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idea of high competition in a way

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um so the Royal Como is taller than the

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proposed but the majority of buildings

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in the area appear to be between about

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20 to 48 meters so therefore 18 floors

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seems quite a reasonable expectation for

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this application

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the final change that we've asked for in

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the um in the alternate recommendation

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is really to think about pedestrians

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because I think often that that

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pedestrian interface is overlooked so I

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feel like we have a responsibility to

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ensure that an activity centers that

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pedestrians can feel protected from

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weather from rain in the middle of

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summer we're always wearing scarves at

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the moment and and puffer jackets from

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extreme heat and and also from from

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Windham pack so therefore we've also

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added a condition for continuous weather

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canopy on the ground floor so I finally

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I want to thank again all the residents

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for reaching out with their concerns via

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email and I'm sorry I haven't respond to

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all of them because I think I had more

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than 200

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um

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but um thank you again for for your

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feedback

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um and uh but I put this application too

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thank you councilor Healy um councilor

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Griffin as the secondar would you like

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to speak uh yes thank you mayor um look

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I hear all the frustrations we've read

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all the emails we couldn't respond to

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all of them but the thing is that there

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is strategic justification for high-rise

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buildings in this area and it's very

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hard for us as councilors to argue with

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this

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so you know if I look at the Strategic

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justification you've probably read it

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all it's to encourage a mixed reviews

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there's intensive development in the

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activity center as a focus for business

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shopping working housing Etc

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um the site is located with the prince

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within a principal Activity Center which

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is an area highlighted of both state and

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local policy level as a place to

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concentrate retail office-based

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employment Community facilities Etc so

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as much as you may not like to see

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anything there at all there is strategic

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justification for a building being there

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and as councilor halia said what we have

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done is reduce the height by four levels

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which is quite significant and change

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the community benefit to one that

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Council has total control over now this

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is an area within the Forest Hill area

00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.640
that there is a lower preferred maximum

00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:52.599
Building height but as you all know the

00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.839
Avenue is 16 stories high and the

00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.720
buildings get higher the further they up

00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:02.279
away from a river so we feel this is a

00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:03.480
compromise

00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.319
we've done the best we can we understand

00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:08.799
what you're saying we understand that

00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.799
people in this city are really getting

00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:13.480
tired of high-rise developments they're

00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.519
getting tired of their amenity being

00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.640
destroyed we get it we've just done a

00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:20.680
survey as counselor here we said we've

00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.920
survey I think we've got 200 responses

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.839
and people told us that so we've really

00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.440
spent a lot of time working out what is

00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.119
the best solution for this particular

00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.079
site thank you thank you councilor

00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:35.680
Griffin I will open it up you said

00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:38.279
further discussion on this item come for

00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.359
a chorus this is the third North board

00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.079
Council I think I need to speak on this

00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:43.920
as well and there is a bit of History

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.000
obviously council did approve a planning

00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.920
application for that site but it was

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.200
taken to vcat by Melbourne High School

00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.079
and and vcat actually refused the

00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.759
application on a number of grounds which

00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.079
councilor Healey outlined in Her speech

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a key concerned was hi

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and there's been significant change to

00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.200
the proposal so you've got to give give

00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:06.680
the developer some credit they have

00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:08.200
actually put a lot of work into the

00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:09.680
redesign of this and council's Urban

00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.559
Design has actually said that it's um

00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.039
it's Slender and what else have they

00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:15.880
said

00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.759
um they said

00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.079
um it it complements a backdrop to the

00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.799
Melbourne heretic Melbourne High School

00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:25.319
Heritage building as well so you've got

00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:26.519
to acknowledge a lot of that that has

00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.160
gone into that and a lot of discussion

00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.000
has taken place with Melbourne High as

00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:32.680
well clearly over the community benefit

00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.799
look it is a mixed use site what's

00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.799
proposed is 22 stories 160 Apartments

00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:42.400
197 car spaces the height 71.75 meters

00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.359
versus a recommended height of 38 meters

00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.680
but then we've also got to consider the

00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.160
context of the site where all Como's 94

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.519
meters in height that's the Kennedy site

00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.359
that was approved without any

00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.960
um or with reduced open space contribute

00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.960
and a number of other things as well by

00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.160
the planning Minister who was in control

00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.400
at that time in terms of community

00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.920
benefit there's 500 000 for Chapel

00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.279
Street improvements and there's a

00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.440
community space on the first floor I

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.440
agree with councilor Healey that I don't

00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:14.319
think

00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:17.279
um the community benefit is maximized by

00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:18.680
Melbourne High School having that space

00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.079
given most or if not all but definitely

00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.400
most probably all the students at

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.000
Melbourne High come from outside of the

00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:26.519
area because it's a select Entry School

00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:28.920
it's not a typical high school that you

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.759
would have in our community so it's a

00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.279
bit different from that perspective

00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.440
setbacks improved the bulk has improved

00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.359
the footprints improved all those points

00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.559
councilor Healey said and then in terms

00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.160
of designer design slender with setbacks

00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.319
on the upper floors and um

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but my concern comes back to the

00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.160
community space

00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.279
um I would like to see that be a true

00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.079
community space Council has control over

00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.920
completely agree with that point I am

00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.640
concerned that removing four floors

00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.920
isn't enough to be substantial so you

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.799
won't necessarily notice that on the

00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.559
ground given the height of the building

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.680
I'm not sure whether a better approach

00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.160
might be just to refuse it outright I'm

00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.839
not sure where they're just taking four

00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:14.880
four four floors off makes it unviable

00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:16.960
so the developer will have to go to vcat

00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:18.680
potentially the planning Minister calls

00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.799
it in whatever and we end up losing some

00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.240
of the benefits we've got out of the the

00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.079
Slender design and the community space I

00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.319
think there is a real risk but I will be

00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:28.000
um supporting the alternate on this I'll

00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.440
also be asking if the motion can be

00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:31.839
split so we can vote on the community

00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.480
space separately to the hype because I'm

00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.200
concerned we might win on one but not

00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.319
when on the other in the current Council

00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.519
setting and if something counts as

00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.200
yearly circulated um you know

00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.759
discussions with councilors and I agree

00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:44.920
with that approach so would that be to

00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.799
split out condition 1X account for a

00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.960
course yeah that'd be right some would

00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.480
have two separate votes on that if

00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.759
that's agreeable okay yeah I think it's

00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.319
like my discretion unless anyone

00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.000
disagrees right

00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.680
um debate any other speakers on the

00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.160
opportunity

00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:04.680
[Applause]

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councilor Morgan yeah for you man this

00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.599
is a really difficult decision and

00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.200
the history of Forest Hills velvet

00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.799
um there's been so many past presidents

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.160
where vicab has a full Tire Towers in

00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:22.319
Forest Hills

00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.160
uh and so I feel bad

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.839
I I'm not going to support the

00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.839
alternative recommendation as is because

00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.119
I think they're dropping by having it

00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.559
down by removing four stories we'll get

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.960
rejected by their cat now I know there's

00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.480
a whole process around that and I really

00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.839
appreciate the intent of of the movies

00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.200
to do this

00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.839
um but I feel about the past president

00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:48.640
in the area and the vacant decisions

00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.559
have already made but kind of horse has

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.200
already bolted on this

00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.279
and that it would just become a very

00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.400
expensive process to go through a recap

00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.319
challenge which would fail and might

00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.200
think they're based on what's happened

00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.200
here and I don't want to presume the

00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.559
outcome at vcap but we've seen this

00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.799
happen in the past with decisions like

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.519
this and even in my own Ward where we

00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.440
had something that was a rooming

00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.200
development and this is a totally

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.400
different example of course but where uh

00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.000
you know we we ended up a big hat on bad

00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.640
because there had already been of a

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.319
similar harboring houses allowed in

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.480
terms of student houses especially the

00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:29.960
housing you've got my packed by big

00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:31.240
heading though we thought we had a good

00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.480
case to project it so I think that

00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:35.039
um

00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.480
it's very likely you know that if you

00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.559
did go to big head Council would not be

00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.440
successful given the history there

00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.799
um I do think that there's apparently

00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.359
there were concerns that

00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.400
um people have about the overall density

00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.759
in Stonington and Margarita growth but I

00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.279
do think that with uh

00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.559
you know the category and uh

00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.200
sort of nature of this development

00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.759
uh that you know prospects of of winning

00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.680
at big hat obvious would be very low and

00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.359
so I can't think in a good conscience go

00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.000
down that path on this occasion I do

00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.960
think that uh other aspects of the

00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:14.400
alternative recommendation really

00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.799
excellent as well I mean and so I will

00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.920
be supporting most of the recommendation

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.119
but on the floors on the hydro middle I

00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.200
can't support it uh but I very

00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:26.880
appreciative of the council is bringing

00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:28.599
this alternative recommendation and

00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.599
improving the other aspects of the

00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.680
recommendation as well

00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.440
Scott uh three now her question so it's

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.799
currently 72.25 meters the proposed

00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.440
Building Homes

00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.319
if we drop it by to 18 floors what would

00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.000
that do we know what that new height

00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.559
would be yes that's true the current

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.920
application just to convert 71.7 and

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.519
as a condition one is the recommendation

00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.240
stories with maximum height of 60 inches

00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.279
oh thank you I need new glasses

00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.319
did you wish to speak to this powerful

00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.279
Scott

00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:16.680
um thank you mayor so similar to council

00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.319
Morgan I um appreciate the work that's

00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.079
gone into this and the significant

00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.079
um

00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.920
outpouring of community sentiment around

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.400
this proposed development

00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.519
um I'm just not confident that this will

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.440
get through bcat

00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.039
on this

00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.440
proposal down knocking it down to 18

00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.920
levels

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.200
and that for me

00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.720
signifies a cost that Council will have

00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.680
to bear to potentially lose

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.599
um I understand that big cat last time

00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.079
was

00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.200
not supporting the 22 stories

00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.559
um but given as councilman Co said that

00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:02.880
this

00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.279
developer has made some significant

00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.799
changes in light of the previous week at

00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.920
finding

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.319
I also won't be supporting the entire

00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.759
amended proposal but I will support the

00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.559
community aspect asset aspect and can it

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:20.799
be answered for that

00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.480
taking house Scott councilor Lou

00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.680
thank you

00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.759
today yes

00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.039
um I just wanted to

00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:37.319
um

00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:41.920
which is that Council should be the

00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.079
Democratic representatives of the

00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.359
community

00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.799
and if that means that's time we need to

00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.799
we need to push for victories at midcap

00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.680
then that's what I mean my concern is

00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.720
that is bringing

00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.960
um if we apply the right way on Lowry

00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.799
the building path at the moment we don't

00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.920
even give the community a chance to put

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.920
chat for whatever things have

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.880
Capital let me

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.239
in an FBI and we don't know that's going

00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.079
to

00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:17.800
um

00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.079
so really it's just a question is to uh

00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.719
whether if you could use the public

00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.599
resources to

00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.760
adopt the alternative recommendation and

00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.800
to have the right to recap in my view

00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:37.000
I'm thousand feet because of funding of

00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.400
the people in the local area we have

00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:40.840
strong views

00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.920
foreign

00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.760
[Applause]

00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.920
other things

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.119
thank you councilor Luke

00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.840
are there any other speakers

00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.079
thank you thank you math I'm happy to

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.400
support this yellow in its entirety um

00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.119
for many of the reasons as councilor Lou

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:14.760
has said

00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.719
um when this first came to me before I

00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.360
started receiving 150 or 200 emails

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:20.760
thank you very much

00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.360
um before I started receiving them I

00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.480
already had concerns over hide when

00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.239
you're so excessively above the

00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.079
preferred height limit and the community

00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.360
benefit is questionable and the

00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.039
justification behind that is hard to

00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.000
understand it was already raised some

00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.239
concerns for me I still had concerns

00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.079
that this is still significantly over

00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:40.920
the preferred height but recognizing

00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.199
that there is strategic justification so

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:44.760
how do you find that balance how do you

00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.360
find the middle ground how do you find

00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.639
something that's going to

00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.400
satisfy the Strategic objectives but

00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.000
also be some sort of

00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.119
something that is more palatable for the

00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.400
community so I think that this is a it's

00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:00.719
a risk

00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.440
um and you've heard from my fellow

00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.599
counselors that they may or may not be

00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.280
successful this weekend I think we need

00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.480
to be very careful not to second guess

00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:11.079
what vcat's going to do but I think we

00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:12.960
have a role when there's such a

00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.000
contentious application like this to

00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.320
give you the voice you are objectives to

00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.519
this application I would encourage every

00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.360
single one of you to become objectors to

00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.039
Eddie vcat proceedings should they go

00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:25.960
ahead as well and that's your voice and

00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.599
that's your opportunity

00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.280
50 counts about a golf question

00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.400
counselor Scott thank you mayor through

00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.320
you

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.880
what's the history around

00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.800
probably can't determine that but I'm

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.360
interested in understanding the amount

00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.719
of times Council has gone to vcat

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.079
because of heights on building

00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.519
applications and how successful have we

00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.840
been in having them reduced

00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.840
is very clear that the concern was the

00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.039
overbearing impact to the West

00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.000
development Hospital building this

00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.480
development increases the setbacks from

00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.519
them yes substantially the previous game

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.159
was 1.8 meters from the rear and went

00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.559
all the way to 68 meters this

00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.519
application includes setbacks ranging

00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.199
from 4.8 meters to 7.45 meters

00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.000
it also in terms of the width of the

00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.000
building it's it's much more rectangular

00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.679
now the previous game is very Broad and

00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.760
so you no longer have a wide building

00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.360
it's a much better idea slender and

00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.760
that's also quite different to be having

00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:00.960
the building you have a new building as

00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.440
a special business as councils will know

00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.440
and we've seen cleaner outside there's

00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.159
also a quite a broad building this one

00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.800
again is much in our life so I can't

00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.360
believe percentages but that's how big

00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.760
cap in my opinions planner

00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.239
thank you I've got a question as well

00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.639
I'm Miss casting Yodas um

00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.280
with the previous vcat decision

00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.760
um I know that vpat noted the height but

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.880
did we can't actually expressed

00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.199
the heart of that first proposing so

00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.840
yeah so I think they didn't go on to say

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.199
that and there would be a lot from the

00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.880
acceptable height being what they'll see

00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.119
for the order for them to ignite us to

00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.480
Broad too close to the boundary that's

00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.000
constantly mentioned industrial to our

00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.320
tight but it looks at it as the overall

00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.320
design and then a sentimento redesign

00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.400
um is required and so this scheme is a

00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.079
redesign which we've looked at it's been

00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.559
referred to have been designed it and we

00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.320
set an architect and a professional in

00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.360
this industry and he's noted these

00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.760
report that after the slenderness and

00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.039
articulation of the tower form provides

00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.239
a considered and complementary backdrop

00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.480
to the Melbourne higher Heritage

00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.880
building yeah indicate on the ground for

00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.119
using virus in the garage Street and the

00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:12.719
government Hospital Park

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.239
so we think that they have all that has

00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:15.840
been addressed

00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.760
um are there any other questions I'll

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.960
show you wanted to speak

00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.480
um thank you thank you uh these

00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.599
applications always what makes our roles

00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.079
counselor really difficult because

00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.960
they're selling arguments on both sides

00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.760
um having spent two decades on Council

00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.920
and being a key part of seeing the

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.480
Forest Hill Precinct go through the

00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.800
Strategic Training planning process

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.199
which was imposed on us prior within the

00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:42.880
state government that wanted to see

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.880
increased densities which is why we have

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.199
you know that I think it's around 10

00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.480
over 10 000 residents that um already in

00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.639
that particular area

00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.519
to answer Council Scott's um question

00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.280
what has actually happened in that that

00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.000
area when council did its initial

00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.239
initial strategic planning it did look

00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.199
for much lower Heights in that area not

00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.239
for the heights that we've seen and

00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.480
consistently time and time again not

00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.320
just even on Chapel Street but within

00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.239
the precinct itself in yarra street in

00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.000
Claremont Street we saw developments

00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.599
approved two to three times more than

00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.440
what our discretionary discretionary

00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.880
height was yeah and Alex is nodding over

00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.559
there because we've time and time

00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.960
through sheer frustration of going

00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.519
through not only your planning scheming

00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.480
Amendment which takes on average three

00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.000
years Consulting with the community

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:34.119
going through all this Urban Design and

00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.239
going through panel processes we landed

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.679
on with truth government-defined

00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.360
processes we landed on these preferred

00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.400
Heights only to see them completely

00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.760
ignored and not just ignored thrown out

00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:47.320
of the water when I'm talking a double

00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.119
to three times the heights of what we

00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.519
wanted and I mean we look back to what

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.599
we've got there Capital Grand the

00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.119
highest Residential Building outside of

00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:59.599
the CBD is located on that corner the

00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:01.199
reason they were able to get away with

00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.599
that height was

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.199
um similar to what's being proposed here

00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.079
is making the building uh much more

00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.599
slanderer which aesthetically and from

00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:11.800
an Urban Design perspective is much more

00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.960
appealing and they're able to get away

00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.880
with a height that you know what is a 50

00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.960
meter discretionary height 173 meters is

00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.159
mentioned in the debate gold Fields 90

00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:22.639
meters 40 meters above the height

00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.519
controls the awesome which is one of the

00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.000
first developments I think it was the

00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.239
first one was going on and and that it

00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.079
was in accordance with what our urban

00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.440
planning our strategic um scheme

00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:33.840
Amendment said

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.320
um it's the only one that really sits in

00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.239
where it where it should the Royal Como

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.880
um we were in a lot of negotiations with

00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.679
the developer for that so as mentioned

00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.760
94 meters in the 38 meter um

00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.719
discretionary height Zone called in by

00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.000
the minister because we were pushing

00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:50.599
back our planners were pushing back

00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.599
trying to get the height down and before

00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.400
we knew it we had no control over and

00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.800
the minister approved it um in fact we

00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:58.440
found out about it by reading about it

00:41:58.519 --> 00:41:59.880
in the paper

00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:02.559
so counselors and Council officers found

00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.880
out the minister called it in because it

00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:05.559
was in the paper we hadn't even had the

00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.239
courtesy of receiving a letter to tell

00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.880
us that so I really appreciate I know

00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:11.800
councilor Hill has done a lot of work in

00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.199
trying to bring the hype down but 18

00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.119
Stories versus 22 in the grand scheme is

00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.719
not going to make a difference I mean if

00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.599
it was it going to Capital the high

00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.480
controlled I look at supporting it but

00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.480
history shows us that it's ignored

00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.000
um I don't want to lose the concessions

00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.519
I certainly do support the ultimate

00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.519
motion or recommendation on the

00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.679
community benefit but I don't believe

00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.639
that well I won't be supporting the 18

00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.840
meters because based on history where I

00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:42.480
think we'll be successful thank you

00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:43.760
Council sir are there any other

00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.599
questions

00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.039
okay I'll quickly say something as well

00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.559
given um everyone has spoken um I too

00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.119
have been but very back and forth and I

00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.440
think we had a wonderful and very

00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.199
extensive discussion at briefing on this

00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.360
last week which is and which is playing

00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.199
up for us tonight

00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.840
um I've been on Council when a lot of um

00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:03.480
the challenges and forests here have

00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:04.960
have happened whether it has been Prime

00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.480
Ministers calling things in or by us not

00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.599
being successful at vcat and losing

00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.320
whatever benefits and whatever

00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:13.360
concessions are our planning office

00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.840
officers have negotiated with developers

00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.320
along the way

00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:19.480
um so I sit here feeling quite quite

00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.239
conflicted I absolutely support the

00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.000
Community Asset changes I think they're

00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.960
a no-brainer it's much more in line with

00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.639
what was proposed in the original

00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:28.960
application

00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.400
um which I don't think they've had any

00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.320
issue with um so I'm not too sure why

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:33.960
the developer did look to change the

00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.280
community benefits aspect so drastically

00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.079
this time so it's good to to bring it

00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:39.400
back and although it's not looking at a

00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.840
Maternal Child Health because that's not

00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.119
required in that area it is looking at

00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:44.639
another Community Asset which we

00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.840
absolutely absolutely really making that

00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.000
part of something

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.800
the heart I think when people say I

00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.239
change towards versus 22 doesn't make a

00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.119
difference

00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.239
um if I can categorize that I would say

00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.320
that to me means standing on the street

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.119
looking up is that really visually going

00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.440
to make that much of a difference

00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.719
potentially not however to a developer

00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.920
who is of course looking to make a

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:09.599
commercial benefit out of this it may

00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:11.239
mean quite a significant difference and

00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.000
may be the difference between

00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.599
development or not so I never want to

00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.239
make a decision anticipate in what

00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:18.599
feedback will do because you cannot

00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:20.719
anticipate what they will do but my

00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.760
experience does tell me that we are

00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.599
unlikely to be successful on this height

00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.840
change and I would love to be here

00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.639
tonight looking at something that just

00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.320
tweaks the community benefit that I

00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.039
think will give us more success as a

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.400
powerful moving forward instead of

00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:36.880
taking the straight risk with the height

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.880
so I can see where the numbers are but I

00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.519
will be supporting the 22

00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.480
um stories but as I've said you can see

00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.079
that the support is there for for the 18

00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.840
stories and thank you to the Northwood

00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.000
councilors I know this is very

00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.239
challenging acknowledge the significant

00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.239
amount of work that you put into this

00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:55.920
application over the last couple of

00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.679
weeks

00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.480
counselor Healy back with you to summer

00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.679
thank you

00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.519
um I think I first didn't want to Echo

00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.000
what council close pointed out that we

00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.239
have to acknowledged that the applicant

00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.960
has tried very hard to respond to the

00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.320
feedback that they were given

00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.119
um at the vcat hearing where they they

00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.440
lost

00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.000
um and they have looked at how to make

00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.599
it less Broad and changes it's

00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.480
setbacks from boundaries but again I

00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.519
quote what what was in the what the

00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.599
Tribune said which is the design before

00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.679
us is too tall

00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.800
so I still read that as V cat photos to

00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.239
a tool yes there's other parts they've

00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.000
changed as well but they said it is Too

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.480
Tall so I think it's totally valid that

00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.719
we continue to say

00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.119
this building at 22 stories is Too Tall

00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.480
18 seems reasonable considering the

00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.880
context that sits with it

00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.719
um we can't second guess V cash

00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:59.239
and

00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.320
sometimes as Council Blu said this is

00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.239
this is a cost that Council needs to be

00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.360
at times we do need to push for victory

00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.000
at vcat and sometimes we need to really

00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:10.639
consider

00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.639
that we are the voice of our community

00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.840
and we and as I've said early on we did

00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.119
a full planning scheme review and it was

00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.480
so clear that our community wants us to

00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.559
stand up to over development and this is

00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:24.719
what we're seeing we're seeing an

00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:26.920
application for item development I mean

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.599
I prefer if it was 10 stories I just

00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.519
don't think that's just feasible 18

00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:32.559
stories seems like it's feasible and

00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.599
it's a fair compromise

00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.000
um so to my fellow councils that say

00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.400
don't give up this is what our community

00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.199
is telling us that they want us to do

00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.960
they want us to push back on over

00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.400
development and This Is Us listening to

00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.599
them to say 18 stories so

00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.360
I encourage you to support both elements

00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.079
of the alternate and to to to agree to

00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.000
the 18 stories as much as you agree to

00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.239
the community benefit thank you Council

00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.199
Billy so because we have a sleep motion

00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.199
we will first vote on everything except

00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.239
condition 1X and then we can vote on

00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.000
condition 1X is that clear with everyone

00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.440
okay great so all those in favor

00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.679
individual has been caught all those in

00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:15.960
favor of

00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.079
um everything except 1X

00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.440
and the cost of against all the division

00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.119
so all those in favor counselor casares

00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.360
Healy vagal Griffin Chris Scott Morgan

00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:29.559
and Lou

00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.000
um so that's carried unanimously and now

00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.599
we put

00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:35.679
um condition One X and the division has

00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.760
been called on that as well so um all

00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.840
those in favor of One X

00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.239
all those against

00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.719
that's Curry so we'll cast it again for

00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:48.199
the division all those in favor

00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.519
counselors Keely better goal Griffin

00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.360
chorus and Lou all those against

00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.559
calculus casares Morgan Scott and Sarah

00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.000
so that motion is carried which for the

00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.079
for those watching means that the

00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.199
planning home has been approved with the

00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:05.920
18th stories

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.800
thank you everyone

00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.639
so counselors

00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:16.079
we've moved to 8.2 385 387 model Tree

00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:17.000
Road

00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.079
Northern East councilman Morgan does

00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:21.480
have a conflict of interest would you

00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:22.840
like to just say it again what that was

00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.199
yes I have a received conflict of

00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.400
interest because a friend who lives next

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.079
to the proposed development of the car

00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:32.000
election campaign

00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.559
thank you

00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.760
okay

00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.400
um

00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.079
[Music]

00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.960
hey counselors Council Morgan has

00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.119
reduced herself so three at five to

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:16.519
three at seven model Street Road you

00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:18.360
have more than one recommendation on the

00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:19.920
table this evening

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.199
um I don't ordinary like to move things

00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.639
but even I was a counselor that shared a

00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.039
consult for this I would like to use my

00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:28.719
alternative recommendation which is to

00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.440
refuse this planning application I'll

00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.039
very briefly State what it is and then

00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.559
I'll ask for a second up

00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.400
um I won't read it all so we're not here

00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.599
all night but I've got five broad

00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.079
conditions on there but the performance

00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:44.480
development by direction of excessive

00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.440
Heights size and scale constituting over

00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.840
development of the land it's our

00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.039
character it will adversely impact the

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.760
amenity of adjoining properties through

00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.880
using bulk and insufficient setbacks in

00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.639
particular to the rear

00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:57.840
um The Proposal will result in

00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.599
unreasonable traffic impacts and I'm not

00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.360
supporting the removal of the Three

00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:04.920
Mature trees

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:06.400
um so counselors and for the members of

00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.880
the gallery is for us on the screen can

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:10.599
I ask if there is a second after that

00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.320
thank you Council Lou

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.599
I will speak very briefly to it um so if

00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.719
you had a very Lively consult meeting

00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.599
for this a couple of Thursdays ago it

00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:21.039
was one of the longest I've ever been a

00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.239
part of 19 minutes but it was a

00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.519
fantastic discussion with many of the

00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.119
objectives and attendance and those who

00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.320
couldn't attend did email myself and

00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.920
probably most counselors um afterwards

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.320
which was very handy there was a very

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:35.880
strong discussion and I found that all

00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.400
of the objectives were in sync on what

00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.719
the issues of this development were and

00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.280
then I think I've really cut I hope I've

00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.800
really captured those before us I will

00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.960
say to any counselor or resident or

00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:48.880
member of the gallery or anyone watching

00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:50.440
who thinks that this might look really

00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.239
brief that's intentional if we are going

00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.519
to fight something out in vcat we don't

00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.519
want anything to be too detailed which

00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.239
makes it very difficult for our planning

00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.679
team and legal team and expert witnesses

00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.159
to argue their case so we keep the

00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.719
conditions or the racist refusal as good

00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.679
as we can so that the arguments can be

00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.239
constructed as as they need but here I

00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.400
think I've captured the facts that this

00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.679
is a full story proposal and I was there

00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:19.599
again in that slot for the Carol's

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.239
attention part last night and I visited

00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.000
during the week as well I'm looking

00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:24.760
around there's nothing that this height

00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.400
and magnitude in this area when I look

00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:28.920
at what's been happening on Morgan Road

00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.280
and higher Street and of course in other

00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:31.920
parts of our city but particularly in

00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.320
esport we do have that really large

00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.280
emerging character happening but I'm not

00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.239
seeing that in this section of model 3

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:39.960
Road and I don't want this building to

00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.559
be the first

00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.960
um I think it's 383 I hope I've got my

00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:45.840
numbers correctly it's approximately or

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.599
is a 10 meter building what the forest

00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.599
is I think in excess of 13 meters and I

00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:53.559
was having a look at the one side over

00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.480
on the left as well and that seems to be

00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.519
a three-story building as well so whilst

00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.239
there is a maximum height in this area

00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.239
that can allow for stories I don't think

00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.119
it's appropriate in the context of this

00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.199
location being the road from Central

00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.480
Park also having all of those small

00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.400
single with double story commercial

00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.039
properties on on the right and of course

00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.199
uh the neighboring interface to the rear

00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.760
as well I do want to acknowledge that

00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:21.400
the applicant did go and get a letter

00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:22.760
from the Department of Transport in

00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.079
relation to having their access from the

00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.840
laneway which is also used by residents

00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:29.800
of our vehicle and the Department of

00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:31.239
Transport did say what we know they

00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.039
always say but they would not support

00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:34.920
access from model Tree Road because

00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:36.519
there is the option of the laneway

00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.639
however there's a significant

00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:40.519
double-story basement being proposed of

00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:42.719
this with a lot of car parking and I

00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.400
don't have the number of spaces in front

00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:46.360
of me and I having a look at that

00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.119
laneway do not think of that laneway was

00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.440
constructed for a development of this

00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:51.960
language tube and currently it really

00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.960
Services a couple of smaller scale

00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:56.440
buildings and some individual individual

00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.320
dwellings as well there are overlooking

00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.760
issues I think the design is is not in

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:03.519
keeping with the area it's got a flat

00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.239
roof that's not what we see around there

00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.000
it is quite modern which I think will be

00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.480
very harsh contrast

00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.119
the removal of the significant trees

00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:13.519
look

00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.519
recap if this goes there can can do lots

00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:17.719
of weird and wacky things with

00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:19.239
significant trees however you're looking

00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:20.719
at the ones that are there whilst I do

00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.119
think the Palm can be successfully

00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.519
relocated because it is a species where

00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.719
that is possible the other trees are I

00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.000
think in particular are the Lombardi

00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:33.599
Poplar really should not be removed and

00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.559
I really don't support that and we know

00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.000
that anything that's planted in its

00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.880
place is going to take many many decades

00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.079
to reach um that the level of

00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:42.960
significance that these trees have in

00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:44.239
that area

00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.320
um so for those reasons this is what I'm

00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:47.920
putting up tonight I'm happy to respond

00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.440
to any other numbers that are raised in

00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.280
the debate or a laboratorical consult um

00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.880
if anyone would like me to thank you and

00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:55.960
I'll ask you Council Blu as a second I

00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.760
would like to speak

00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.480
um thank you man after it's very very

00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:03.840
funny

00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:05.079
um

00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.280
[Music]

00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.159
he unfortunately on the attack

00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.199
influences not least you could talk

00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.639
about uh we'll work that protection in

00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:22.960
mind

00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.760
um and now we've got the complications

00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.960
around the corner

00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.960
I think that the test was done after

00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:31.679
having a response

00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.639
foreign

00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.719
[Applause]

00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.800
[Music]

00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.960
thank you Council I'll open it up Is

00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.519
there further discussion from counselor

00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.719
Griffin thank you mayor um look I know

00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.599
this area well it's not my ward but one

00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.039
of my favorite restaurants is in this

00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:12.400
area so I go there often and I think

00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.400
this building as proposed is totally out

00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.159
of character with the area and I would

00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.199
hate to see this become the emerging

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.239
character and creating precedence for

00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.840
future development so I totally support

00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.840
this automation Council Griffin are

00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.119
there any other speakers to the motion

00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.239
thank you Council Scott just um

00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.159
supporting their refusal here and it's

00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:37.679
very clear as opposed to the previous

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.960
one that um

00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.639
this is a significant anomaly on the

00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:44.639
local area

00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.960
um first of all removing three

00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.800
significant trees is just not acceptable

00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.400
there were 28 objections it's standing

00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.119
and that there are many other buildings

00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.920
that reach the same height so and also

00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.960
something I read something about 175

00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.679
cars per day using or or movements of

00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.960
cars per day accessing that small

00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.679
laneway it's not appropriate

00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:12.519
thank you Council Scott

00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.480
any on speakers

00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.159
I'll very briefly sum up of course I

00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:18.360
agree with the comments that have been

00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:20.559
made and thank our Council Lou for his

00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.320
support as an esport counselor I just

00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:24.760
wanted to acknowledge that the residents

00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.440
are very reasonable in this area and

00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.079
that came through in the consult as well

00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:29.800
as in the emails afterwards they know

00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.480
there's going to be something on this

00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.639
site but they just want it to be

00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:34.840
reasonable

00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.320
um and and to fit in and not be this big

00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:38.960
sort of monolith that just looks really

00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:41.000
out of place and has quite a quite a

00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:42.760
modern style

00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.360
um and that does end up producing 175

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.440
car movies per day and we've gone down

00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.360
and look at the laneway at the rear

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:51.519
there you truly scratch your head and

00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.599
think how is that genuinely possible so

00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:56.440
I would really ask the developer to go

00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:57.840
back and have a really good rethink

00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.960
about where they are putting putting

00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:02.440
this building and whether they really

00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:04.079
believe it is appropriate or whether it

00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:05.960
is an overage

00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:07.519
um the consult whilst was a great

00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.239
discussion it didn't result in any

00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.159
changes to the plans unfortunately and

00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:12.599
that doesn't you know that that can

00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:14.239
happen we don't always see changes but I

00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.679
do actually I do want to acknowledge the

00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.400
developer I believe has someone who met

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:20.000
with some of the Neighbors in in the

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.199
recent week or so and that there may

00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.360
have been some minor changes on the

00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.920
table but um I I don't think that they

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.199
were significant enough and they

00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:29.440
certainly didn't involved from moving a

00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.519
level or drastically improving the

00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:33.599
setbacks or reducing the number of

00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.000
apartments and therefore reducing the

00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.679
number of car spaces so for me um that's

00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.159
that's not something that I was willing

00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.519
to consider so I hope that this ends up

00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.199
having a bit of a rethink and a redesign

00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.079
which is not council's job to do and

00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:47.480
then we end up looking at something that

00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:49.119
is significantly more respectful and

00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.880
appropriate for this area

00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.719
all right councils will proceed to the

00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.599
vote all those in favor of the refusal

00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.840
that's carried unanimously thank you

00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.559
councilors

00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.000
we'll move to 8.3 our planning

00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.239
application at um 109 through a road and

00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.039
all of the numbers onto that Glory I

00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.199
won't bring all of those and while we're

00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:15.639
doing while we're moving to that Island

00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.320
we've been constantly walking back

00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.400
all right

00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.480
foreign

00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:36.360
[Applause]

00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:56.760
[Applause]

01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:05.239
thank you

01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.159
we're just moving to item 8.3 which is

01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.760
109 Field Road lots of numbers onto Rock

01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.079
Road

01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:15.679
um

01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:17.719
recommendation for this one because

01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.679
we're really moving into the offices the

01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:21.639
opposite one and it's standing up thank

01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.000
you Council of different parts are

01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:26.480
healing uh thank you so I suppose to put

01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:28.840
this in context as you said Mia this is

01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.119
a 109 mathura Road and a whole lot of

01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:33.119
other properties along tourak Road and I

01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:34.599
think that's a key thing to think about

01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:36.039
when considering this application

01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.400
because it's really a large

01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.719
um a consolidation of a large number of

01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.960
properties and this is a very large site

01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.719
within the direct Village Activity

01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.519
Center we've heard from residents during

01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:50.719
the consultation that they had concerns

01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.719
over the preferred height limit concerns

01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:54.960
about traffic

01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.760
setbacks overlooking shadowing and

01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.679
parking and traffic um controls as I

01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.440
said before as well

01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.360
um and since the consultation I've noted

01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:04.960
that there's been a number of changes so

01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:06.400
there's been a reduction Building height

01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.920
by 2.55 meters a reduction in Street

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.679
walls the retention of a Chinese elm

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.320
tree and I believe that we've got advice

01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.199
from officers today because it was

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:16.760
concerned by Resident that that tree

01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.519
Health would have been maintained with

01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.880
all the work being done but our others

01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.000
have happened in that the tree will be

01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.760
good fine even while the work's

01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:28.000
happening around it also the reduction

01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.519
in some Florida ceiling Heights

01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.159
and increasing setbacks and the removal

01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.280
of a south facing Terrace the council's

01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.440
urban designer felt that although the

01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:40.840
height is above the preferred because

01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.360
it's an unusually large Site Area and

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.360
the recessive nature of the Upper Floor

01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:46.760
levels actually you won't really see it

01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.239
from the street level at all that this

01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.880
was considered acceptable they also know

01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.320
that the south side of the site which

01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.760
above the residential property now has

01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.880
an adequate form and scale transition

01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.159
and so then in their opinion The

01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:03.480
Proposal reflects objectives of db09

01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:05.800
I think it's important as well to note

01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.119
that the the turret Village area is

01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.719
undergoing significant change and and I

01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:13.800
hope that change will be positively

01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.920
transformational

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.480
and what we see before us is a very

01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.800
strong design by a high caliber and

01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:22.679
world-renowned Australian architect

01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:26.239
architectural term which will work to

01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.360
enhance the immunity of the area and and

01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:30.360
I actually really look forward to seeing

01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.960
the final product classes built on thank

01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.800
you Council here

01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.679
um thank you mayor look having uh you

01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:39.880
know thought for lower height in Chapel

01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.159
Street here I am talking about accepting

01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.320
uh this type it's completely different

01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.679
of course because it's only a very small

01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.960
amount above the preferred height what I

01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:51.519
always be concerned about with these

01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:54.519
developments uh is the interface with

01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.159
the residential area at what I call the

01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:58.480
hinterland or what we all call the

01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.639
hinterland and I noticed that the South

01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.480
interface uh there's a two-story

01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:06.039
Apartments there which is quite set back

01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.199
from the boundary of this development

01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.760
and I think uh reading through the

01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.159
overshadowing and Humanity impacts I I

01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:16.760
believe that this building has really

01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:19.320
all the developers really done the best

01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.760
in protecting these apartments from

01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:26.800
overshadowing as much as possible and

01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:28.920
from being overlooked and I think there

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.079
was I wasn't at the concert meeting but

01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:32.880
I think there were additional there was

01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:34.599
additional screening added by the

01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.920
developer to ensure total privacy

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:41.920
um but the the diff the space there is

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:43.840
sufficient anyway for the building

01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.320
really not to impose on that southern

01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:48.880
interface which I think is important as

01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:50.679
council with Haley said it's a really

01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:52.920
it's quite a beautifully designed

01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:56.320
building and the two top levels are very

01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.440
recessed so it really changes the the

01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.559
feel of the building uh so look I'm I'm

01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.960
in favor of this I know it is above the

01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.480
preferred height but it's not very much

01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.840
above and proverb I don't think it's 4.9

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.480
meters and I think the quality of the

01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.320
building the amalgamation of the site

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.679
the location on the caller of Turok road

01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:20.320
and mathura road justifies the

01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.599
thank you Council Griffin I will open it

01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.280
up he said further discussion Council of

01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.800
course thanks mayor and look I I was in

01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.760
two minds before tonight's council

01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.639
meeting I've read the report again and

01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:32.880
I've just come to a view that I I can't

01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.719
support it I think it is too high 4.92

01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.360
meters above the DDO we put DDOS in for

01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:41.000
a reason I know it's a recommended hike

01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:42.599
but we don't have to keep pushing beyond

01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.360
that as a percentage of additional

01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.159
height it's probably more than what we

01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:48.760
just heard about in Chapel Street given

01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.199
given the height of this is um 2.42

01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.280
meters and it's going 4.29 4.92 meters

01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:56.119
above the DDO bird

01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.360
there's a lot of concern from local

01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.199
residents around the interface with the

01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.840
residential area we've had emails I

01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.920
think that the Landscaping buffer could

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.559
be increased the the buffer between the

01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:11.159
residential area could be increased and

01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:13.000
it really is seeking to absolutely

01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.400
maximize the site I hear it's an

01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.159
Australian architectural firm but that

01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:18.960
doesn't persuade me we have to judge

01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.159
these things on their merits and it

01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.360
doesn't another way the architect is but

01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.480
I do acknowledge that the architect has

01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.840
tried to to go aways to to appeasing

01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:29.159
objectives there were a number of

01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:30.840
changes prior to the consultative

01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.559
meeting and they changed the floor to

01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:33.840
ceiling Heights to try and bring the

01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.199
height down a bit more but I for my view

01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.960
it just doesn't go far enough and I

01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:41.079
think we need to be consistent on these

01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.000
things and where there's a DDO we need

01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.679
to to try and keep it within that DDO

01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:48.840
and that was a key point of discussion

01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:50.679
at the Consolidated meeting thank you

01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:51.960
Council of course are there any other

01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.000
secrets to this island

01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.360
um Council Healey and you need to sum up

01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.440
uh

01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.519
division

01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.000
almost in favor

01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:10.360
that's not Carrie I'm Carrie but without

01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.320
Castle Coast

01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.840
okay almost against

01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.559
okay I've passed it again to the

01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:19.760
division all those in favor sorry

01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:20.920
Pizza

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.079
um councilors casaris Healey valley girl

01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.239
group and Seth Scott Morgan and Lou and

01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:26.920
all those against

01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.440
council card so that is carried

01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.440
thank you counselors

01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:34.840
two more planning items 8.4 is 19 to 21

01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.519
love at Crescent Perez

01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.840
um this recommendation I'm hearing some

01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.000
noise canceling half gone he's moving

01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.639
and second councilor said Thank You

01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.159
Council Michael thank you mayor

01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.159
um yeah this is a difficult one it's an

01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:51.760
application to construct a double story

01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.400
double story dwelling of the basement on

01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:56.480
a site located within a dvo and and

01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.239
sorry I won't use acronyms design

01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:00.880
development overlay and also a

01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:02.719
neighborhood character overlay it's

01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:04.119
important to know that there is no

01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:05.559
payment required to demolish the

01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:07.199
building and there was an initial

01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.599
application back in 2021 followed by an

01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:11.480
amendment earlier on this year there's

01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:13.480
been some key changes including

01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.599
production and height Shifting the

01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:18.400
building the stairwell replacing a ramp

01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.199
to face on with a car lift and a few

01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.199
other bits and pieces I know residents

01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:24.360
on the street are going to be really

01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.079
disappointed with this application

01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.599
having been at the console is the facade

01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:29.960
of that the house is not being

01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:31.920
maintained and the facade of the house

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:33.159
people

01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:34.480
beautiful neighborhood there's

01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.360
consistency in the houses there's common

01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:37.920
features and there's a real visual

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.760
identity up and down the street with

01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:41.239
with the odd exception here and there

01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:44.000
but it is the odd exception it really is

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.159
an intact area and a great example

01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:48.880
um which is why this neighborhood

01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:51.119
character overlay was put in place a few

01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.159
years ago but

01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:55.440
the naval character overlay is designed

01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:57.159
to protect precincts of higher

01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:59.440
neighborhood characters significance

01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:01.360
that have consistent an identical

01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.440
character but it's not about stopping or

01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.559
restricting development and you can see

01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.519
that when you read the officer report it

01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.440
that it relates to streets at backside

01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:14.400
setbacks rear setbacks walls on

01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:15.519
boundaries

01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.039
um the design detail in terms of scale

01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:19.840
and form roof or materials finishes

01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.079
articulation Etc that's what the overlay

01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.199
is actually designed for

01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:27.600
I think I've also looked back on on this

01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.680
actual amendment that came in and

01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:31.319
initially when it went through Council

01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:33.880
was before my time there was actually a

01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.600
clause in there to actually retain the

01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:38.560
features of the original dwellings that

01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.119
contribute this was recommended this

01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.560
objective was recommended to be removed

01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.600
by the panel which was an independent

01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:47.800
panel so ultimately the event that

01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:49.560
ultimately the plan is game amendment

01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.960
that went forward actually didn't have

01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.199
that retention of the front features in

01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:56.119
it so without this objective and Clause

01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:58.319
we really just can't force developers to

01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:00.039
retain the original features as much as

01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.079
we'd like to and all we can do is assess

01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:04.880
against what we actually have sitting in

01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:06.960
the planning scheme so as much as I hate

01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:09.199
to see this beauty demolished I support

01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.520
the officer recommendations thank you

01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.840
Council but I got in Council Sarah would

01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.039
you like to speak

01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:16.880
um thank you mayor

01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:18.800
um I've said the consultative on this

01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.279
and that there was a lot of eggs

01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:22.479
um particularly from one of the

01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:24.600
adjoining neighbors and the challenge

01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:26.920
with this one is

01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.399
dress code is superseded by The

01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.199
Neighborhood character overlay and the

01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.159
neighborhood character overlay and the

01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.359
DDO in this case

01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:37.880
probably a little bit more generous than

01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:39.760
what rescope would be in relation to

01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:42.960
setbacks and um and other aspects which

01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.439
which is what the frustration was for

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.399
the Neighbors of which this building has

01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.600
been cited more closer to them than

01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:53.680
um they would have liked but looking

01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.279
it's on page 107 of the report where

01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:59.319
it's essentially summarize and the

01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:01.720
primaries do assess it against the

01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.119
um the NCO which is the garden Suburban

01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.000
2 Precinct and so what they've come back

01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:09.479
and says that it sits very neatly in the

01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:11.079
two-story built form which is consistent

01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:12.520
with one to two story height limit

01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:14.840
within the immediate area other has the

01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:16.560
appropriate setbacks articulation

01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:18.600
landscape scoping all of which

01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:20.439
respectively responds to the

01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:22.479
neighborhood and the character of the

01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:25.199
streetscape and it encourages will

01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.960
encourage significant plantings as part

01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:30.880
of The Proposal the um the Contemporary

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.560
design response will provide closing

01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.479
accompaniment to the drawings of the

01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.000
immediate context particularly to the

01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:38.319
properties are affected under the NCR

01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:40.600
and the rhythm is facing the dwelling

01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:42.079
throughout the proceed to consistent

01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:44.199
with being the consistency of the

01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:45.279
setbacks from the street and the

01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:48.039
setbacks from both side boundaries and

01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:49.479
the drawings are generally located

01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.239
essentially on the side length of the

01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:53.520
landscape in which they've done here

01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:56.000
um as far as the Landscaping goes

01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.600
car parking is to spreadly located a

01:10:58.680 --> 01:10:59.760
little bit of car lift that takes it

01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:02.760
under the ground the fence is low

01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:05.279
and you know the height of the building

01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:07.560
picks up all facilities the style of

01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.000
Boom does pick up the features of the

01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.119
gable roof and so forth there is some

01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:12.760
steel that's proposed which is

01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:14.399
inconsistent with the character and

01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.479
there's a condition to have that removed

01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.439
under the ease but overall the height is

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:21.560
in right in the center of what is

01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.399
consistent area which is between eight

01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.760
and nine meters so this is an absolutely

01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:28.960
beautiful building if you look it up you

01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:30.279
just think oh it was used to be two

01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.119
apartments and the the new owners are

01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:33.800
obviously going to knock it down and

01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:36.000
build something that does as I've just

01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:38.680
said make the requirements it is very

01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.199
sad because said to see this good and go

01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.239
because it does sit neatly in a row I

01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:44.600
mean they all match each other so you

01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.119
sort of go and I mean personal redevelop

01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:48.720
the property and left it as a little

01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.560
unified but you know that's it's not my

01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:52.840
home it's the um people that afford it

01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:54.159
have chosen just to do something

01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.600
differently and you know when I read the

01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:59.039
offices our Urban designers

01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:00.880
um our planners have looked at it and

01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.840
what the scheme actually says there

01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:04.960
isn't any any grounds for us to not

01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:06.039
support it

01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:08.439
um it's just a sport what's proposed but

01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:10.760
as a council ball said it's certainly

01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.319
going to upset a number of people in the

01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:14.680
street because this is an absolutely

01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:17.319
beautiful area of the city how's it set

01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:21.439
I'll open it up um Healey

01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:24.239
um my husband's family actually grew up

01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:26.319
in Melbourne prison

01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:28.079
um and they absolutely loved the

01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:29.560
neighborhood for the people of course

01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:30.560
you know

01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:32.560
um but also because of the intact nature

01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.800
of the street it's real consistency

01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.520
um and then she lived to 18 local prison

01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.600
which was an art deco home which was

01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:43.960
recently demolished and replaced with

01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:45.960
what I would describe as a total

01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:48.239
monstrosity it's an ignorant and

01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:50.399
arrogant surroundings

01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:52.760
as a base on a site

01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.000
and it was somewhat inevitable that the

01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:57.000
house would be demolished as it's not it

01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:59.279
wasn't it wasn't protected and it didn't

01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:00.720
really serve the needs of the Modern

01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:02.600
Family without significant work being

01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.119
done to it but what really pained the

01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.960
family who had loved this street so much

01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.199
was that this building was replaced with

01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.199
something so repulsive so unsympathetic

01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.279
and so destructive to the vernacular of

01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.600
the street and this happened on 18

01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:19.880
Melbourne because there was no

01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:22.640
neighborhood carrot overlay and there

01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:25.600
was no design and development overlay

01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.439
their plan application for the 18th of

01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:30.640
it didn't have to go through Council and

01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:32.560
there was no moment to stop what that

01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.840
design was to say this is not

01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:38.039
appropriate but now there is now there

01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:40.079
is that enable the character overlay and

01:13:40.159 --> 01:13:41.800
there now is a design and development

01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.119
overlay so although

01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:45.880
there's no barrier to stop the

01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.279
demolition of the home at 19 to 21

01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:51.000
velvet I do think that the proposed

01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.439
design is far more sympathetic to the

01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.439
vernacular of the neighborhood than what

01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:57.720
has happened at 18 and I really wish

01:13:57.800 --> 01:13:59.520
that there were controls like that

01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:01.760
around price the development of the site

01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:05.000
of of 1800

01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:07.560
what do the other counselors like to

01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.960
speak to this item

01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:12.399
alphabetical do you need to sum up no I

01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.399
think I would just say um just to

01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:16.479
reinforce our Council to said there were

01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:18.279
still some

01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:19.880
um problems identified with the current

01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:22.000
application but these have been met with

01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:24.479
through the conditions so if it hasn't

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.560
met the standards and there is in fact

01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.520
one about the stairwell or or the roof

01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:31.840
or different types of materials it is

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.479
all covered so what will actually be

01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.399
built is not actually what's necessarily

01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:38.039
in the pictures as we've seen it'll be a

01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.359
slight adjustment to those pictures to a

01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:41.800
little bit to the satisfaction of

01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:44.439
council thank you we'll proceed to the

01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.560
vote almost in favor

01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:51.520
thank you counselors

01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:57.000
and 8.5 it's 43 quarter street

01:14:57.079 --> 01:14:59.319
but I just recommend for the

01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.039
recommendation on the table

01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:04.600
thank you councilor Scott and seconded

01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.359
by Council ball Texas

01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:10.960
thank you mayor so this is a report for

01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:12.239
a council to consider a planning

01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.199
Amendment for construction of buildings

01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.079
and works and the use of land for office

01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.680
in an activity center Zone at 43 Porter

01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:23.079
Street in Grand it includes a reduction

01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.000
in the car parking

01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:28.119
um as was required at 43 forestry per

01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:32.079
annum and it the report seeks to amend

01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.520
the existing planning permit which

01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:35.800
allowed for development of the land for

01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.840
a seven-story building comprising office

01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:40.880
and dwellings to provide offices to all

01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:43.199
floors increase the height of the

01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:45.000
building to eight stories with

01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:46.880
Associated changes to the built form

01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:51.079
layout and car parking and provision and

01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:54.720
the officer report talks to the proposal

01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.800
enjoying and support of both state and

01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:01.119
local planning policy and the area is

01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.000
commercial use and it's a beneficial

01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:07.600
addition to the local economy and the

01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:09.960
Amendments retain a slight responsive

01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.239
design which will not have unreasonable

01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:14.199
impacts on the amenity of neighboring

01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:17.279
properties and I think I recall hearing

01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:19.000
that the adjacent properties are office

01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:22.199
spaces as well

01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:24.079
The Proposal also provides sufficient

01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:26.439
parking for the intended use given the

01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.199
site's proximity to public transport so

01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:31.760
I I've put this to council to support

01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.680
thank you

01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:39.000
man uh this uh Amendment complies with

01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.439
everything it complies with setback to

01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.319
the street it complies with setback

01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:44.760
above the street while it complies with

01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:48.880
pipe and it's an office-based which is a

01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:50.600
good thing I believe for Potter Street

01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:52.960
there is a lot of residential

01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.039
buildings in there and a shortfall of

01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:57.560
parking is something that I can

01:16:57.640 --> 01:16:58.880
definitely support in Porter Street

01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:00.760
because there's an abundance of cars

01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:02.439
accessing and using Porter Street as

01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:05.560
well so the office use in that area are

01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:06.560
really

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:08.520
generally it's oh and there's some

01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:10.000
screening I believe next door actually

01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:12.359
is Apartments Council Scott and there's

01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:14.840
some screening that's going on so that

01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:16.880
we can play with the screen as well

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.079
I'll open it up you said further

01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:22.119
discussion on the side of them

01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:24.039
note in that case counts it's got no

01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:25.880
need to sum up being straight to the

01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:28.560
boat all those in favor

01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:30.720
that's carried anonymously thank you

01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:32.840
counselors counselors

01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:34.319
um can I ask if there's anyone willing

01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.399
to move a block of motion to incorporate

01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:40.760
items 8.6 8.10 and 8.13 which are all

01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:44.079
relatively small options and have

01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.760
attorneys

01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:49.479
um and just from my accounts as you

01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.399
still can speak on any of the items

01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:53.880
during the debate if you wish to okay um

01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:56.199
would you like to say something on that

01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:57.720
and um

01:17:57.800 --> 01:17:59.479
[Music]

01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:01.880
look thank you bear

01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:04.760
um yeah look uh so instrument and common

01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:07.560
authorization statutory planning is an

01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:09.439
administrative matter

01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:13.119
so it's not much to really say on that

01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:14.840
um I'm just trying to get to it so bear

01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:16.319
with me

01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:17.840
um so that is that we resolve to

01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:19.319
exercise our powers under the local

01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:21.079
government act that the member of staff

01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.680
that are refer to their homonym of

01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:25.239
authorization

01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:27.479
um comes into force and that that be

01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:29.760
signed off as I said in industry she'd

01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.279
mess up three is a quick response Grant

01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:36.039
and this is um in line with

01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.920
standard policy where we have a quick

01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:40.840
response Grant policy there's some

01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.000
additional funds for whatever reasons um

01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:46.119
we get a request this one that a capture

01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:47.840
a thousand dollars they come to council

01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:50.319
and in this case

01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:52.760
um I'm just trying to have a look

01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.079
that um the recommendation is to endorse

01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:57.239
the funding recommendations for

01:18:57.319 --> 01:18:59.439
attachment one and will remain will

01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:00.960
continue to bring these to council until

01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:02.560
all the funds are expanded the final one

01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:04.319
is the binary report of the audience

01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:07.720
committed from six months agencies

01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:10.960
[Applause]

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.479
I'll open it up would anyone like to

01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:21.039
make any comments about any of those

01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.039
items

01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:24.800
you're straightforward all right we'll

01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:26.439
proceed straight to the right all those

01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:29.000
in favor

01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:31.880
all of those against

01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:34.319
is anyone abstaining

01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:36.239
I'll take that as calories thank you

01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:40.319
counselors across those three off watch

01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:43.840
we've got an item 8.7 the lime trial

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.880
review and notified Council Scott and

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:48.640
seconded by Council Morgan thank you

01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:49.840
Council Scott

01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:54.000
uh thank you mayor so the

01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:55.079
um

01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:56.800
purpose of this report is to provide an

01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.399
evaluation of the lime e-bikes trial

01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:02.279
after eight months of operation and

01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.439
propose the next steps for council's

01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:06.640
consideration

01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.479
um the recommendation is to note the

01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.279
results of the trial to approve an

01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.880
extension of the scheme to be ongoing

01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:18.960
after this trial ends and to review

01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:21.960
after a period of two years to open

01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:23.840
local operations to other service

01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:25.720
providers which will increase

01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.760
competition and lower costs to Residents

01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:33.079
who access the service to increase the

01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:36.760
size of the e-bike fleet to a maximum of

01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:40.960
500 which is a pending demand so as

01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:42.800
demand increases the number of bikes

01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.560
will increase

01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:49.199
and also to implement no ride zones and

01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:53.079
no parking zones on an as needs basis to

01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:55.960
Mainstay and safety and amenity of the

01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:58.359
public spaces

01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:00.399
um so we've had the line by trial in

01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.000
operation since the 14th of February

01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:08.239
this year and to date there have been

01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.640
1144 lime e-bike users in Stonington and

01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.479
I have been one of those people

01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:17.399
um it's the highest number of first-time

01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:18.640
users

01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:20.840
um well sorry the the highest number of

01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:22.439
first-time users was first observed in

01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.239
February and then again in September

01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.560
um so it's pretty clear that this

01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:30.359
service is relatively dependent on

01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:32.279
weather conditions people tend to like

01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:35.119
to ride in the whole term or spring

01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:36.800
months of the year not so much in the

01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:39.560
Colder Weather or the hotter weather the

01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:41.520
average Street duration is about 14

01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.359
minutes with 50 of all trips being under

01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:47.439
10 minutes and I fall into that category

01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.560
it's under 10 minutes

01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.439
out of all of those users there's only

01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:54.760
been one accident in all this time

01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:57.359
however Council has received 14

01:21:57.439 --> 01:22:00.479
complaints uh over the eight months of

01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:01.600
the trial

01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:05.560
which represents one complaint for 548

01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:08.920
trips which is not too bad or for those

01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:10.960
who like percentages point one eight

01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:12.880
percent

01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.079
um of all rides being linked to a

01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:16.079
complaint

01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:18.640
the majority of the complaints relate to

01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:21.520
inappropriately party bikes and because

01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:23.399
it's a new thing A lot of people are

01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:24.960
still getting used to where to park

01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:27.239
their e-bike and also people are getting

01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:28.880
used to seeing these bright green and

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:31.359
white bikes on full path on the side of

01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:33.359
roads on the verges

01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.720
however are those complaints were taken

01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.640
up by the company and those bikes that

01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:41.399
were parked inappropriately were removed

01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.600
within 12 hours of the complaint being

01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:45.079
made which I think is a pretty good

01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:46.840
statistic

01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:49.000
um

01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:50.800
uh more trips are expected to be

01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.119
completed in the next four months of the

01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:54.399
trial

01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:58.079
um as we enter the warmer months and as

01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:01.439
we aim to release or deploy code 200

01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:06.079
bikes across the Halls volunteer thank

01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:08.439
you thank you Council Scott Council

01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:10.840
Morgan

01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:14.119
shop I'll open it up is there discussion

01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:15.880
further discussion I should say on this

01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:17.680
counselor Healy

01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:21.399
uh on Friday I was in the CBD and trying

01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:23.439
to get home and it was one of those ones

01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:25.720
where the bus is replacing trains and

01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:28.359
buses replacing trams and there was just

01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.039
like long lines everywhere and I thought

01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:31.840
right this is coming up I'm going to

01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:34.119
give a guy one of these live bites and I

01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:36.039
have to say I I just was running from

01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:39.720
ear to ear as I went along the yarrow

01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:43.880
River Trail Park Trail and then going up

01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.119
Williams Road which is a bit Steep and I

01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:48.399
was a bit intimidated pushed back it was

01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:50.119
just such a breeze so I just thought it

01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:52.760
was such a fantastic resource to be able

01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:56.279
to have on hand when when you have those

01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:58.239
moments when it's just a 10 minute ride

01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:00.800
that you need to take to to take and not

01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:03.159
turn up sweaty and just it was just

01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:05.039
fantastic so

01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:06.560
um I'm excited that we're extending the

01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:07.479
trial

01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:08.920
um that we're increasing the number of

01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.760
fights to make it easier to make a

01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:13.119
decision to to use one

01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.039
um now we just need to make the streets

01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:16.600
safer for bikes and then we'll be all

01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:17.520
good

01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:21.279
thank you an easy task for healing any

01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:22.760
other discussion on this counselor

01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:24.279
Griffin thank you mayor I'll be very

01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:26.319
very quick look I think this this is

01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:28.319
really it's great

01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:30.000
um the thing that always concerns me is

01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:31.960
where these bikes are parked because

01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:35.119
Econo uh as a walker I'm often walking

01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:37.960
around bikes and I I do annoy Council

01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:39.760
offices with this information quite

01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:43.079
frequently as Mr Pleasant knows but as

01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.159
long as they are removed quickly and I

01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.039
noticed that there is a penalty for

01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:49.359
users who Park illegally which I think

01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:52.439
is is really a great idea and then the

01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:54.399
council will get a nominal flat rate for

01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.039
every penny I think that's also a great

01:24:57.119 --> 01:24:58.840
idea I don't know how much it's going to

01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:01.640
add to council funds and the other thing

01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.079
that is quite clear is that the risk is

01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:05.439
born for any

01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.560
um accidents by the service provider and

01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:10.720
they have some insured of not less than

01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.079
20 million dollars so that sounds pretty

01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:15.239
extensive I think the issue for me will

01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.359
be about the parking and I guess as a

01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:19.960
council we'll have to keep our eyes open

01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:21.760
on that and make sure that any other

01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:23.880
providers are as

01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:26.760
adverse to bad parking or poor parking

01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:28.960
as lying the Pew to do but I think it's

01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:30.640
a great concept

01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:33.039
and fully support thank you councilor

01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:34.439
Griffin any other speakers to this

01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:36.760
island Council of course yeah look I I

01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:39.399
acknowledge the views of my colleagues I

01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:42.159
I do have a bit of concern about this

01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:43.720
program simply because I think it adds

01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.279
to a lot of clutter around our city I

01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:47.920
see these bikes quite a fair bit and if

01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.600
we're going to increase the plead to a

01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:52.359
maximum of 500 then I think we'll see

01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:53.840
many more and whilst they might get

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:56.439
moved quite quickly by the operator

01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:58.840
there's going to be a lot more bikes to

01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:00.159
move and I think they're going to add to

01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:02.840
that clutter and I remember well the um

01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:04.479
the bright yellow bikes that we had

01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:06.279
around our city which which was a

01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:09.000
disaster so maybe I'm a little bit burnt

01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:11.319
by that experience but I am concerned

01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:13.840
also about using you know public land

01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:16.359
for a commercial benefit like this so I

01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:18.720
do have some concerns but we'll wait and

01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.680
see what the next phase of the scheme

01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:22.840
brings

01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:24.640
thank you Council post and Council

01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:27.720
Morgan oh sorry yeah yes of course um

01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:28.880
how many

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:31.319
um periods man for officers how many

01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.199
reports or formal compliances council

01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:35.359
received about

01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:39.720
linebacks blocking access to a club

01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:41.560
Mr Holloway do you know how many of the

01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:43.640
complaints related to the bikes blocking

01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.640
path access

01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.560
over that period of which

01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.399
um a large proportion relates in parking

01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:01.960
not all of those related Parts a lot of

01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.760
those are relate to abandon or

01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:07.600
discounted bikes or bikes that falls

01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:10.960
over so I'd suggest it's got a high

01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.000
proportion that causing any relates to

01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:16.199
block parts

01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:22.239
uh um also uh just a another question I

01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:23.760
guess for officers

01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.079
um Council post made a point about use

01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:29.880
of proper plan but my understanding is

01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.520
that anyone would set up a higher scheme

01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.560
for with their own bikes and we were

01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:37.039
locked up on a pole somewhere and just

01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:38.399
had an outfit until people where to

01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:41.279
collect them without any memorandum so I

01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:42.520
want to check if that's correct and if

01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:44.079
there really is

01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.800
you know a real use of public land here

01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.000
that is

01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:49.600
is somehow different to what could

01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:51.159
happen anyway if someone decides when

01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:53.880
they're friendly wife or their neighbors

01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:57.960
tomorrow such a really different with a

01:27:58.039 --> 01:27:59.880
person who's parking their privates bike

01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:02.520
now and then letting their friend use it

01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.800
and you know versus the line Farms

01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.560
they're a real difference in how public

01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.960
places

01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:12.479
um this is a commercial scan Council

01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:15.279
does have a an mou you around

01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:17.439
understanding with the operator the

01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:19.319
clueless it sort out all the terms and

01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:21.560
conditions

01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:24.920
[Applause]

01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:27.079
thank you

01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:29.079
would any other counselors like to speak

01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:32.039
to the motion or ask a question

01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.439
about a goal thank you mayor uh it's

01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:36.760
it's always it's really interesting

01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:38.520
different perceptions on what

01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:40.840
constitutes clutter I think so a bike

01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:43.319
user would say a car is cut off a car

01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:45.279
user may say a bike is flutter or

01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:48.479
whatever other forms of Transport are a

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.439
clutter so it it all comes from a

01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:52.479
personal Viewpoint pedestrians of both

01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.279
Supply pedestrians would say everything

01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.399
is clutter yes so um look I I think that

01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.000
this is is a great trial I'm not going

01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:01.560
to repeat anything that's been said that

01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:02.760
the numbers speak for themselves and

01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:04.560
they're all being covered I think it's

01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:06.399
really important that to note that from

01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:08.560
the mou Council can terminate the

01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:10.600
agreement if conditions aren't met so

01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:11.920
although we're going to be reviewing the

01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:14.279
program in two years if we're not if a

01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:15.760
new provider comes on board and they

01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:17.680
don't have the same level of service and

01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:20.920
responsiveness that that lime has then I

01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:22.479
would be hopeful that that we would

01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.039
alert Council officers had they not have

01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:27.039
been alerted already or the resident

01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:29.079
Community alerts Council offices and we

01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:30.880
would look to possibly terminate if

01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:32.920
conditions aren't being met

01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.960
okay any other speakers

01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:37.800
Council Morgan is the second one uh

01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:40.199
thank you I think this is a really

01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:42.640
important scheme to keep going into uh

01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:45.880
commit to extending that for longer and

01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.159
to see as Council Robert said look what

01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:51.359
happens over the next few years uh I

01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:52.239
think that

01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:54.720
I understand that for residents Hunter

01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.239
at times can be really off of bikes if

01:29:58.319 --> 01:29:59.760
they're parked up if they're not where

01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:02.319
they should be and there is a process to

01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:04.640
report them to get them collect really

01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:06.000
quickly because I do understand is

01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:08.760
happening very quickly but to take up

01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:11.319
Council battle's point about cars

01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:13.479
potentially being caught up

01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:15.359
the reason one of the big reasons why

01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.000
I'm so Keen to support this is that it

01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:20.119
is something that takes up far less

01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:22.720
space than car traffic

01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.000
and traffic in particular in our city as

01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:26.920
we hear over and over again is terrible

01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:28.439
it's getting worse

01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:31.119
and if we can actually reduce the

01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:32.920
Reliance and dependency on cars and

01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:35.439
starting to some users who are who can

01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.479
use this when they need to but I also

01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:39.479
have to have a bike for themselves they

01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:41.079
can use it when it's convenient and when

01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:43.119
it works and if that just reduces some

01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:44.600
of the traffic could you believe it's

01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:47.680
around business activity centers so very

01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.800
people want to take their bike down to

01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:52.039
the shops and then

01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:55.000
cycle time or use it this way then

01:30:55.079 --> 01:30:57.399
that's another car space free for

01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.680
someone else to go and use that and and

01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:01.439
basically turn over spaces for

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:02.520
businesses

01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:06.359
it reduces pollution and it reduces

01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:09.079
congestion on our diets and we need to

01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:10.800
keep on seeing how it's going I agree

01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:12.720
that the sort of peripheral sort of Our

01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:13.920
Lives

01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:16.199
terrible but this isn't what's happened

01:31:16.279 --> 01:31:18.000
so far with this game it's been 14

01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:20.279
complaints where a few of them have been

01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:22.199
blocking actual access to a quick month

01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.720
and they responded to very quickly and

01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.279
very professionally behind mice so I've

01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:29.439
just heard your counselors to

01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:32.600
four minutes proposal let's see how it

01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:34.039
goes if we open up and if we get

01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:36.159
problems we can actually manage that but

01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:38.880
it's a really important way we can

01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.680
improve the quality of life for

01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:43.720
everyone in our municipality if we can

01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:46.000
reduce that traffic down even if it's

01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:47.680
just a fraction from this it's not

01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:50.359
costing Council really money it's not

01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:54.000
using public open space or public land

01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:56.039
in a way that isn't going to already be

01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:57.479
used by people parking their bikes

01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:00.359
anyway if they own them so let's just

01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:02.920
give it another extension let's see how

01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:05.039
it goes and I think that will see the

01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:08.600
benefits just grow if we have more bikes

01:32:08.680 --> 01:32:10.199
available more people will start to use

01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:13.239
it and it will potentially Cascade in a

01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:14.520
positive way

01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:16.640
thank you Council Morgan are there any

01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:19.239
other speakers to this

01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:21.359
excellent Council Scott would you like

01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:23.600
to summer thank you mayor this is a

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:25.319
worldwide phenomenon

01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:29.800
this uh e-bike lime bike

01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:33.279
scooter thing is happening across the

01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:36.399
world and for us to not

01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:40.000
extend this trial and

01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:43.000
support it as best we can would be

01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:45.159
not aligned to our council plan which is

01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:46.000
about

01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:50.920
being leaders just to reiterate um there

01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.760
was one complaint for every 548 trips

01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:55.560
made

01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:58.920
one complaint 14 in total

01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:02.439
and I take uh Council of reference point

01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:04.239
about having to walk around bikes but

01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:05.920
you don't annoys me having to walk

01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:09.079
around cars that are parked on footpaths

01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.279
across driveways

01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:13.000
very frustrating

01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.399
it does add a little bit of clutter to

01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:20.520
our already over cluttered community and

01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:25.000
but as I think uh councilor better girl

01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:29.199
said cars also create color

01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.239
um

01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:33.760
and there was someone raised the point

01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.039
about about bikes being stored or parked

01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:39.039
on public land

01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:40.640
I don't need to go on about how much

01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:43.800
public land cars take up across our

01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.000
community

01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:47.800
in conclusion though it's really

01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:49.840
important to recognize that for the

01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:51.640
first eight months of the line bike

01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.239
e-trial

01:33:54.319 --> 01:33:58.199
7672 trips covering eighteen thousand

01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:00.159
and thirty kilometers

01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.479
by 1144 users

01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:06.520
thank you and were taken the e-bike

01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:09.479
trips have kept an estimated

01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:13.199
1534 private Vehicles off the road while

01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.399
avoiding over 400 kilos of greenhouse

01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:16.720
gas emissions

01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.920
as well as nearly 180 liters of petrol

01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:22.960
thank you man all right thank you Castle

01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:27.159
Scott seats for both all those in favor

01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:29.319
all those against

01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:33.239
and that's carried thank you councilors

01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:35.800
we moved to item 8.8 the sustainability

01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:38.039
snapshot for

01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:42.399
2021-2022 can I see the maneuver so no

01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:44.399
stats

01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:46.560
thank you councilor Morgan and please

01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:49.680
cancel the vice president

01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.920
uh thank you Matt I apologies just your

01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:54.720
kind of a few issues with my computer

01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.479
now it's not following the agenda so I'm

01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:01.640
just uh an interviews on paper page 346

01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:04.880
is the summit

01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:10.960
okay normal agenda

01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:13.800
I'm sorry I apologies for that

01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:15.000
um

01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.600
so what I'd like to do is to notice oh

01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:19.319
yeah here it is

01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:23.279
um that uh the officers here are

01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.199
presenting a sustainability snapshot uh

01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.279
for 2021 2022 and it's an annual report

01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:31.439
inform yourself via

01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:33.520
progress councils made towards achieving

01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:35.199
the goals of the sustainable environment

01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:39.239
strategy 2018 to 2023 I would like to uh

01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:42.399
nourish the ongoing uh progress towards

01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.560
achieving these goals and endorse the

01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:47.279
sustainability of snapshot 2021 to 2022

01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:49.239
for publication

01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:50.680
now business is a really important

01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:52.359
document because

01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:54.760
it's very important that when we set

01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:56.680
strategies we actually track the

01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.520
progress of meeting them and this report

01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:01.800
and the snapshot actually outlines

01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:05.039
exactly what councils achieve so too

01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:07.119
often you keep people critical allow the

01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:08.680
government or government in general that

01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:11.760
you know things get past strategies

01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:14.600
plans even legislation and then there's

01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.399
you know what is actually being done to

01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:21.520
implement those strategies and plans

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:22.239
um

01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:24.479
the key achievements that councils made

01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:27.840
in the last Financial year have been to

01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.479
reduce corporate emissions

01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:32.880
which is the emissions of council itself

01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:39.560
to a total of 4 847 tons of CO2 and it's

01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:44.079
an overall reduction of 75 below 2005

01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:46.800
levels which is a standard Target that

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.640
is used for emission reduction really

01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:51.239
worldwide

01:36:51.319 --> 01:36:53.560
which is an amazing achievement that

01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:55.560
we've been able to do this there are 75

01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:58.920
for live Rose 2005 levels we've

01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:01.479
developed our circular economy and

01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:04.199
future waste strategy uh and that's

01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:06.159
really important particularly given the

01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:10.119
impact of landfill costs on Council and

01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:12.279
the impact on the environment and calm

01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:13.279
emissions

01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:16.039
we've adopted a sustainable assets

01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:17.439
policy and that's a really critical

01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:19.960
piece of work uh Council officers have

01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.000
done amazing work on that that lets us

01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:26.600
know uh you know what our assets are uh

01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:29.319
how we can look at having our assets

01:37:29.399 --> 01:37:32.079
being sustainable as possible and where

01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:33.560
there's opportunities there are where

01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:35.520
assets might need to be renewed or

01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:37.800
managed appropriately to minimize the

01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:39.279
impact on the environment and to

01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:42.279
minimize emissions and we've also uh

01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:44.079
seen the completion of water sensitive

01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:47.600
Urban Design and small Club studies and

01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:49.000
it's investigating particular future

01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:50.880
conditions of responses and we're seeing

01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:52.960
ridiculous Heavy Rain Over the office is

01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:55.960
meant to be uh you know

01:37:56.039 --> 01:37:57.560
um summer here and we've had a huge rain

01:37:57.640 --> 01:37:59.800
already in the last few weeks but uh

01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:01.840
most importantly we've seen floods in

01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:04.239
maribyrnong that had a horrible impact

01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:07.560
this year in in Melbourne and you know

01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:09.960
we have Governors Creek in the arrow

01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:12.840
River bordering Stonington we have areas

01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:14.279
that can flood so it's a really

01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:17.399
important piece of work to

01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:20.560
manage risk to our whole Community from

01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:21.840
plots

01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:24.159
we've also completed a biodiversity

01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:27.000
inventory study and it's examining the

01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:28.640
current and future potential habitat and

01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:31.960
connectivity uh between habitats

01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:33.880
and we've also had a successful

01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:35.399
information implementation of the

01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:38.119
sustainable schools program and

01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:40.199
I think that as an accountability

01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:43.600
measure to the community this shows our

01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:46.960
community who've always created action

01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:49.039
on climate change and environmental

01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:50.800
sustainability and protecting the

01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:52.880
environment in stockington very highly

01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.920
on all the surveys the feedback we have

01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.920
these two key areas have always come up

01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.479
repeatedly in our community as being big

01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:03.039
areas of concern where they want more

01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:05.279
action from Council they can see that a

01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:07.239
climate emergency declaration our

01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:08.920
commitment to the environment and

01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:11.399
sustainability is not just words but

01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:13.479
we're following through with concrete

01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:16.439
actions that are improving livability in

01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:18.479
summington that are protecting the

01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:20.279
environment and that are actually

01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:22.920
addressing climate change if the world

01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:27.399
was 75 below 2005 levels will be in a

01:39:27.479 --> 01:39:29.520
much better place worldwide but

01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.199
stonington's Council missions to be

01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:33.159
there is a great start and we now need

01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.439
to move forward and to produce some

01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:38.800
Community emissions uh where we can and

01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:40.359
working with the community to achieve

01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:42.840
that outcome for our old Stonington but

01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:45.239
is a really significant achievement and

01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:46.880
this is not just

01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:49.119
any sort of

01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:51.840
uh African or meaningless gesture here

01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.039
this is a real upon action plan that is

01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:56.760
delivering outcomes and our

01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:58.920
sustainability plan is delivering

01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:00.560
outcomes that are improving with the

01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:03.000
ability for everyone's talking to

01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:05.119
thank you Council Morgan Council

01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:06.840
Barnacle I specifically would you like

01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:09.000
to speak I don't think Monday to add too

01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:09.920
much

01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.399
I will open it up Is there further

01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:14.760
discussion on this item Council post

01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:16.359
um just wanted to say you know how

01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:18.399
pleasing it is to read this I've come

01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:21.840
such a long way in a few years I mean 75

01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:23.199
percent

01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:27.479
um CO2 or carbon emissions 75 below 2005

01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:29.079
levels is is an extraordinary

01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:31.560
achievement and it's really a

01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:33.279
demonstration of what's possible so

01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:36.399
others in in Australia and Victoria and

01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:38.119
in our local community should be taking

01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:40.359
note of that in particular one of the

01:40:40.439 --> 01:40:42.399
big achievements was a collaborative

01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:44.760
effort with 45 other Victorian local

01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:46.479
councils which is called the Victorian

01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:49.479
energy collaboration where we've all

01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:51.079
joined together to buy renewable energy

01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:53.760
now that's not just putting us on a path

01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:56.560
to sustainability it's not just reducing

01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:59.039
our carbon emissions drastically by

01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:01.560
making us 100 renewable in terms of Our

01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:03.840
Generation energy generation but it's

01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:06.000
also saving us big dollars because we

01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:08.520
know that carbon energy production costs

01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:10.359
are going through the roof right now gas

01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:13.000
prices are going up exponentially cold

01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:15.760
prices are going up exponentially and

01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.000
we're on renewable energy so I've just

01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:20.680
got a question for Simon Holloway

01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:22.439
um if you could put give an indication

01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:23.920
of how much we're actually saving by

01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:26.039
moving into that scheme

01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:27.520
for you man

01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.039
um city of Southington is saying in the

01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:31.359
order of three hundred and forty

01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:33.640
thousand dollars around as a result of

01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:38.039
moving to that contract for 100 minutes

01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:41.800
so that's that's quite extraordinary 340

01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:44.920
000 a year we're saving every single

01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:46.840
year three hundred and forty thousand

01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:48.520
dollars that's a lot of money for this

01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:49.800
city

01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:50.680
um

01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:53.119
and it just demonstrates that that by

01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:55.119
being smart about sustainability it can

01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:56.560
deliver great triple bottom line

01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:58.640
outcomes

01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:00.399
um and look we're doing a lot of other

01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:01.920
things as well we've moved all our

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.039
street lighting that we could to LED

01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:07.199
which is hugely less energy intensive

01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:09.640
than the old incandescent Globes or 300

01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:11.520
people it's called the T5 globes that

01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:13.600
came after that so on the most efficient

01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:16.439
Street lighting system we can develop

01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:18.399
we've also improved all our building

01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:20.600
efficiencies as well so making sure all

01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:22.359
the doors are sealed the windows are

01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:24.560
sealed we've got good insulation big

01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:26.920
savings there in terms of money as well

01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:28.600
as you know reducing carbon emissions

01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:30.840
and there's still a long way to go as

01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:32.439
well you know we put a lot of solar

01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:33.880
panels on our building to probably Max

01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:36.399
that out but we can also look at more

01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:38.279
areas where we can switch to electricity

01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:40.199
so our swimming pools for example are

01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:42.720
heated with gas gas is not a renewable

01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:44.279
source of energy it'll be great to see

01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.000
us transitioning to the most efficient

01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:48.399
possible way of heating out pools with

01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:50.560
electricity generated from renewable

01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:52.119
hour and then we can get even better

01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:54.359
outcomes for our community so city is

01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:55.439
starting should be really proud of

01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.479
what's of what it's achieving I don't

01:42:57.560 --> 01:42:58.840
think the state government has achieved

01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:00.720
anywhere near what we have we're

01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:02.880
probably a leader across councils as

01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:04.640
well and we're probably a leader in in

01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:06.079
the state of Victoria and Australia so

01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:07.199
we should all be proud of what we're

01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:08.479
achieving

01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:10.439
Council

01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.319
of healing uh thank you I think

01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:14.760
councilors have already done a great job

01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:18.359
summing up the things in the snapshot

01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:20.680
um just a couple of things as well is

01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:22.600
that we also have done EV Fleet

01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:24.359
transition study which is going to help

01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:25.600
us understand how we're going to

01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:28.520
navigate to an all-electric Fleet which

01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:30.640
includes cost benefit analysis as that

01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:32.880
transition across lighting Vehicles so

01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:34.960
not only are we doing things now but

01:43:35.039 --> 01:43:36.359
we're planning about how we can move on

01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:39.159
to the Future and even in areas like

01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:41.399
Waste Management we've been working with

01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:43.840
11 other councils through grant funding

01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.119
to look at how we can encourage more

01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:49.239
people to use reusable nappies when I

01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:50.920
had young kids there was no way in how I

01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:52.920
was going there reusable nappy they just

01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:54.520
didn't have the technology at the time

01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:56.319
that I've seen that technology is really

01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:58.520
up in the reusable nappy space so it's

01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:00.359
great that that's being encouraged as a

01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:02.560
way moving forward because

01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:05.119
um as the the rubbish bit of a young

01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:06.560
parent has just basically filled with

01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:09.680
nappies cloth

01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:13.239
um we've already heard about the the

01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:14.920
flood mapping studies that have been

01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:16.600
done to to

01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:18.720
um address the one in ten year floods

01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:21.399
that seem to happen every year uh

01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:23.039
particularly important as our Urban

01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:25.039
environment changes

01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:27.239
um and also the the collaboration that's

01:44:27.319 --> 01:44:29.319
happening with Stonington other councils

01:44:29.399 --> 01:44:31.439
for um thinking about the future of

01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:34.039
gardens Creek or pyong koot

01:44:34.119 --> 01:44:35.760
um where we're working with Melbourne

01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:38.119
yarra Valley Waters Peak Sports bodies

01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:39.640
and traditional owners and Community

01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:41.560
groups to look at how we can improve the

01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:43.960
hope the health of kuyoku and its

01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:46.720
catchment area Council Morgan touched on

01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:48.960
the biodiversity study which also is

01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:51.359
looking at the future potential habitat

01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:54.159
and connectivity at Key sites which will

01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:56.439
help inform our Urban biodiversity

01:44:56.520 --> 01:44:58.720
action plan the one thing I thought my

01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:00.359
fellow councils would point out as well

01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.960
was that we planted 31 000 trees

01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:06.960
which of course helps to reduce air

01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:09.000
pollution preventing water run off and

01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:12.399
help help our surrounding areas so a

01:45:12.479 --> 01:45:16.319
very exciting snapshot and I again look

01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:18.359
forward to Future ones as well

01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:19.960
thank you Council Healey and I saw

01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.119
councilor Griffin's hand earlier except

01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:24.039
group councilor healing just took my key

01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:26.920
point which was about planting 31 000

01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:29.680
trees and shots fantastic

01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:32.119
okay will any other counselors like to

01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:34.479
speak to this

01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:36.479
shots

01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:38.520
you can also walking and you need to sum

01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:41.119
up no no thank you man wonderful great

01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:42.560
all right let's proceed to the vote

01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:45.439
almost in favor

01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.880
all of our skins

01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:49.760
[Applause]

01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:53.199
uh sorry that's carried not really thank

01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:56.279
you counselors and let's go to 8.9 the

01:45:56.359 --> 01:45:59.399
EV charging infrastructure policy second

01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:01.239
mover for this

01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:04.680
House of Scott I believe in the office

01:46:04.760 --> 01:46:07.319
recommendation with the proposed

01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:10.239
amendment what is it

01:46:10.319 --> 01:46:13.000
find it

01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:17.119
to add one sentence to the introduction

01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:19.479
which is in line with council's

01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:22.479
Declaration of a climate emergency and

01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:25.119
the target of zero carbon emissions for

01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:28.600
the Stonington Community by 2030

01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:30.560
Council supports increased use of

01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:32.319
electric vehicles EVS over fossil fuel

01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:34.239
return of combustion engine vehicle

01:46:34.319 --> 01:46:36.560
fully environment social economic effort

01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:40.239
thank you and is there a similar to that

01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:42.039
thank you Captain Morgan

01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:44.600
um all right California Scott

01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:46.520
came now just

01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.359
important

01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:50.119
[Applause]

01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:53.079
so the purpose of this report is to seek

01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:55.600
endorsement for the electric vehicle

01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.000
charging infrastructure policy to guide

01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.079
council's ongoing commitment to develop

01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:02.920
a local electric vehicle charging

01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:04.039
Network

01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:07.239
and the recommendation is to endorse the

01:47:07.319 --> 01:47:09.079
electric vehicle charging infrastructure

01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:11.920
policy to note that a draft electric

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.279
vehicle charging plan aligned to the

01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:16.800
policy will be referred to the transport

01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:18.640
advisory committee and the climate

01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:20.880
emergency advisory committee for review

01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:22.520
and endorsement prior to being

01:47:22.600 --> 01:47:25.319
considered by Council for adoption in

01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.560
early 2023

01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:31.800
if I can speak to my slides adjustment

01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:34.199
or Amendment and

01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:37.560
this policy links to the council plan

01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:40.920
which identifies the climate leadership

01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.039
as a key operational outcome for this

01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:46.479
Council it links to the transport policy

01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:49.840
and transport strategy which talks to

01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.000
this policy through the statements a

01:47:52.079 --> 01:47:53.600
third of all greenhouse gas emissions

01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:56.680
come from transport

01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:59.199
it links to the sustainable environment

01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:01.960
strategy in that even though it's coming

01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:04.359
up for a review it talks consistently of

01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:06.880
its achievements that include building

01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.279
local community knowledge in taking

01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:10.920
climate action

01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:13.600
it also talks to The Climate emergency

01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:16.600
action plan which came about after

01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:18.399
considerable Community Endeavor

01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:22.039
including over 200 emails to councilors

01:48:22.119 --> 01:48:24.279
in the lead-up to the vote in the

01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:26.880
previous Council term to not include a

01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:28.600
statement that recognizes the link

01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:31.000
between the benefits of electric

01:48:31.079 --> 01:48:33.880
vehicles and the climate emergency is to

01:48:33.960 --> 01:48:36.399
not recognize the ongoing Community

01:48:36.479 --> 01:48:38.119
sentiment along with the community

01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:43.119
support of the Declaration at that time

01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:46.600
back to

01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:47.399
um

01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:49.479
so in terms of the summary officers are

01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.520
seeking endorsement of the policy at

01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:55.479
this point in time and refer the plan to

01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:57.640
the transport advisory committee and the

01:48:57.720 --> 01:48:58.880
climate emergency

01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:01.119
advisory committee for review and

01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:02.800
endorsement prior to it being considered

01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:05.680
by Council for adoption

01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:07.800
thank you councilor Scott and Council

01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:09.279
Morgan as secretary would you like to

01:49:09.359 --> 01:49:13.479
speak uh yes uh thank you mayor

01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:16.800
Council Scott has made a really good I

01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:18.880
think opening the local input points

01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:22.640
particularly looking off linking Trend

01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:25.439
reducing Transformations upon emergency

01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:28.039
by having an electrical vehicle policy

01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:31.479
uh however I think that I wanted to also

01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:34.720
cover some other points here one is that

01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:37.439
we need to have this policy because this

01:49:37.520 --> 01:49:39.960
is where the industry is going and we're

01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:42.359
seeing globally I think the UK is going

01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:45.560
to have no new manufacturing of uh

01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:48.399
fossil fuel based cars non-renewable

01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:50.399
cars there's going to be electrical

01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:53.760
probably nitrogen by 2035

01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:56.319
or uh we're really behind in Australia

01:49:56.399 --> 01:49:58.239
here and in Stonington this has a

01:49:58.319 --> 01:50:01.359
horrible impact on our residents and we

01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:03.039
have a lot of residents who do not have

01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:04.800
access to

01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:06.840
um off street parking

01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:10.239
I think it's about 20 of residents we

01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:12.479
also have a lot of residents who are

01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:16.319
renting often in apartments and you know

01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:17.880
even if they have off-street parking

01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:20.399
they can't easily get charging

01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:22.199
infrastructure put

01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:25.039
where they Park their cars and so we

01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:28.000
need to have an overall policy for

01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:30.359
having electric vehicle charging

01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:32.600
infrastructure and how this is going to

01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:34.039
work in our city

01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:36.359
in the inner city we have a lot of

01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:39.159
unique challenges here uh particular is

01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:40.800
in Stonington is a very small

01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:43.119
municipality very high dense population

01:50:43.199 --> 01:50:46.479
particularly in western parts of Science

01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:48.840
and we talked about Forest Hill earlier

01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:51.239
today but it's been targeted for even

01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:53.439
more population growth because of higher

01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:55.119
density area and it's making classes

01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:58.319
back by the state government now we need

01:50:58.399 --> 01:51:00.720
to have some way for people and a lot of

01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:02.319
people don't have cars there but some

01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:04.520
still do and they might need them they

01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:06.640
might be working away from Stonington

01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:09.000
they may have relatives outside of the

01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:10.640
municipality without a direct public

01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:12.039
transport link

01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:16.039
so we need to have facilities here that

01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:18.840
will allow our community to charge their

01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:20.880
vehicles and we don't have to be free

01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:22.640
it's not like having a petrol station

01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:25.000
Replacements run by council at all and

01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:28.319
that's notebooks being proposed but we

01:51:28.399 --> 01:51:31.000
actually need to go through and look at

01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:33.640
how we can facilitate the development of

01:51:33.720 --> 01:51:38.199
a local EV network of charges but either

01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:40.600
to be used to compatible across various

01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:42.279
different types of charging not locked

01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:44.520
into just one car manufacturer

01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:48.239
and that can bring the most forward

01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:52.439
from a limited space we have to reach

01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:54.079
the most number of residents and allow

01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:56.279
everyone to be able to charge an

01:51:56.359 --> 01:51:58.439
electric vehicle or a car if they have

01:51:58.520 --> 01:51:59.399
one

01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:01.920
and we need to make sure that this is

01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:03.239
fair

01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:06.960
uh that it's not going to overly impact

01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:10.199
uh negatively on residents on the

01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:11.399
streets if we have on the street

01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:12.880
charging or how it's going to work and

01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:14.399
if it's going to be fair access to it

01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:16.920
and that it's strategically located to

01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:19.800
not necessarily compete with private

01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:23.319
sector networks if we look at having

01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:25.039
particular spots where Council has some

01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:26.920
charges but is

01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:28.680
dancing everything

01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:31.520
so I'll just leave it at that thank you

01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:33.560
Council Morgan I'll open it up it's a

01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:35.520
further discussion on this yes

01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:38.119
um thank you thank you may look while

01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:40.640
I'm not averse to the recommendation

01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:42.079
um I just want to point out a couple of

01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:43.640
things that electric cars are very

01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.319
expensive and so a lot of wealthy people

01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:48.000
are driving around electric cars right

01:52:48.079 --> 01:52:50.079
now and they it's the cost of electric

01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:52.640
cars really excludes many people who

01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:54.720
just simply can't afford them and yet I

01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:56.279
came across this article that was really

01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:58.119
interesting and we're finding some

01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:00.039
International statistics so I'm able to

01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.119
do the same uh the International Energy

01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:04.840
agency estimates that even if the whole

01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:07.479
world achieves all of its ambitious

01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:10.840
stated electric vehicle targets by 2030

01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:14.319
the additional save two CO2 emissions

01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:17.119
over this decade will be 235 million

01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:18.159
tons

01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:20.600
the standard climate model used by the

01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:22.720
intergovernment mental panel on climate

01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:24.560
change reveals that this will reduce

01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:28.479
global temperatures by only

01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:33.359
0.000 one degree Centigrade by the next

01:53:33.439 --> 01:53:35.920
end of this Century so it's just quite

01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:37.520
interesting we get very carried away

01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:39.479
with these things but when we always

01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:41.800
like to analyze what's really happening

01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:44.319
you know what are the outcomes

01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:46.439
um and I found that pretty interesting

01:53:46.520 --> 01:53:48.039
actually and I also found it pretty

01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:49.520
interesting to think about the fact that

01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:51.640
electric cars cost a lot and I don't

01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:53.399
know when that changeover will be

01:53:53.479 --> 01:53:55.479
between electric cars and petrol power

01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:58.439
cars but we have to be cognizant of the

01:53:58.520 --> 01:53:59.800
fact that many of our residents might

01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:01.479
like an electric car but they simply

01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:04.640
won't be able to afford one thank you

01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:07.720
Luke

01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:11.520
I'm going to be

01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:13.640
um

01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:20.880
Council that actually signaling

01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:24.279
um by uh six during that political

01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:26.880
parties and calculus that tend to have

01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:30.239
political government across could you

01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:31.000
get

01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:32.279
Gloria

01:54:32.359 --> 01:54:36.279
and uh it's completely is what the

01:54:36.359 --> 01:54:39.680
council should be focusing on

01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:45.880
right and into government

01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:48.640
electric cars transport programs like

01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:52.399
that we've also naturally

01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:54.920
with you um

01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:58.000
I think that

01:54:58.079 --> 01:55:00.079
um

01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:08.039
heavily subsidized for Refuge across

01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:10.920
others have to pays big building profits

01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:13.600
for petrol which is

01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:15.359
um

01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:18.399
I don't support families to socialize

01:55:18.479 --> 01:55:22.640
system where people get

01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:34.479
you know

01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:36.560
um

01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:41.199
anyway look I'm sure I think 100 years

01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:43.439
time when people Look Backwards Motions

01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:46.199
like people look incredibly stupid but

01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:48.520
anyway

01:55:49.039 --> 01:55:50.600
are there any other speakers to

01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:53.520
promotion Council posts just um quickly

01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:55.600
I just like to say that I really think

01:55:55.680 --> 01:55:58.000
the state government should be taking a

01:55:58.079 --> 01:55:59.680
leave on this issue so I agree with

01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:01.520
councilor on that point in particular

01:56:01.600 --> 01:56:04.359
you know they um they regulate the power

01:56:04.439 --> 01:56:06.640
industry and you would think it would

01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:09.880
make sense to have charging points um at

01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:12.520
each you know at power poles basically

01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:14.520
the the energy companies providing that

01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:15.960
would be the most efficient way to

01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:18.159
provide it and gets it close to people's

01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:19.840
homes and in their streets where they

01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:22.119
they Park their cars and so forth so I

01:56:22.199 --> 01:56:23.439
think it is an area where the state

01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:25.119
government should be more more active

01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:27.520
and more engaged and I think we will see

01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:29.880
the price of electric bills Vehicles

01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:31.520
come down I think the Nissan Leaf and

01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:33.279
the base model Tesla's already pretty

01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:35.319
affordable as a

01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:38.039
car obviously you can go up to the more

01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:39.640
expensive models but there are cheaper

01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:41.680
ones and we're seeing increasingly

01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:43.880
people across our city take them up and

01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:45.840
increasingly they're they're looking for

01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:47.399
places where they can charge where they

01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:50.800
don't where they can't do that at home

01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:53.359
the castle

01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:56.600
speakers to the motion

01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.560
will come back to council Scott to sum

01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:02.319
up thank you mayor um so yeah just in

01:57:02.399 --> 01:57:04.439
summary listening to the debate it's

01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:07.600
pretty clear that there's

01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:09.520
some differing perspectives and points

01:57:09.600 --> 01:57:12.479
of view or which are absolutely entitled

01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:16.800
to raise those points of view I think

01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:19.039
the prices of electric vehicles are

01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:20.680
coming down and attacking more and more

01:57:20.760 --> 01:57:23.119
I think I saw a electric vehicle

01:57:23.199 --> 01:57:24.640
advertised for thirty four thousand

01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:26.199
dollars the other day so that's quite

01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:28.359
reasonable still not affordable for some

01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:30.640
people but quite reasonable

01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:33.960
um while I'm not sure what report you're

01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:36.399
acquiring from there or who initiated

01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:38.600
that report and what flavor they might

01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:41.199
take sides of with regard to the debate

01:57:41.279 --> 01:57:45.159
around reducing temperature

01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:46.000
um

01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:48.720
the reduction in

01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:50.319
temperature is not the only benefit

01:57:50.399 --> 01:57:53.000
electric vehicles have a significant

01:57:53.079 --> 01:57:56.880
impact on the local environment outcomes

01:57:56.960 --> 01:57:59.520
in terms of improving the air that we

01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:02.600
breathe and biodiversity and so I think

01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:07.479
to just point to potential reduction in

01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:10.720
temperature is just one way of assessing

01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:13.399
the benefit of electric vehicles

01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:16.199
I think it's important to recognize that

01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:18.560
local government are responsible for

01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:20.399
managing our local roads and our food

01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:23.920
paths and I don't remember the last time

01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.119
when a

01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:30.520
pay raise them as National issues I also

01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:32.119
think

01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:35.319
with the development of battery storage

01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:38.079
we'll see more and more people relying

01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:39.720
on their own individual or

01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:42.399
community-based batteries rather than on

01:58:42.479 --> 01:58:46.479
the large electricity providers

01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:49.319
so yeah look in terms of this policy I

01:58:49.399 --> 01:58:51.760
think it's an excellent Way Forward it's

01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:53.760
we're not out on our own on this a lot

01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.399
of other local government areas both

01:58:56.479 --> 01:58:58.600
inner city and more broadly are taking

01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:01.479
up this opportunity and I think I

01:59:01.560 --> 01:59:04.520
encourage councilors to endorse it thank

01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:06.039
you let's proceed to the vote all those

01:59:06.119 --> 01:59:08.000
divisions division has been caught all

01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:09.560
those in favor

01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:12.039
all those against

01:59:12.119 --> 01:59:15.399
all those abstaining

01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:18.000
are you frozen

01:59:18.079 --> 01:59:19.359
nope

01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:21.239
YouTube

01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:23.560
yeah I think you're uh

01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:25.119
um your video just froze that's okay

01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:26.760
I'll do it again for the division all

01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:29.760
those in favor counselors Osiris Healey

01:59:29.840 --> 01:59:32.680
benigal Griffin Coast Sarah Scott and

01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:34.720
Morgan and all goes against

01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:38.319
Council room that is carried

01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:41.760
thank you calculus so we have done a 10

01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:45.039
and 8 11 so we jumped to 8 12. counselor

01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:46.640
and member of a delegated Community

01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:49.000
expenses policy and I do know we have

01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:50.439
more than one

01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:52.439
um option for us this evening Council

01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:54.640
agree that is a hands up for a question

01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:57.880
or for a resolution

01:59:58.279 --> 02:00:00.640
okay and can you just State what the

02:00:00.720 --> 02:00:03.439
changes are

02:00:11.960 --> 02:00:15.560
and is there a second there for that

02:00:15.640 --> 02:00:17.680
councilor Griffith okay councilor Lou

02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:19.720
here with you

02:00:19.800 --> 02:00:21.800
um

02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:29.520
but I think it's an important

02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:32.800
I think it's important to have I'm very

02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:34.119
concerned

02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:36.560
um around Mr society that we have a huge

02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:40.000
gender hijack issue and the reasons we

02:00:40.079 --> 02:00:41.760
have a chance

02:00:41.840 --> 02:00:45.000
to talk about

02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:48.079
distribution

02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:01.720
foreign

02:01:29.760 --> 02:01:32.000
[Music]

02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:36.039
enter the law do not have the need that

02:01:36.119 --> 02:01:37.920
child care that they've made in a

02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:40.439
regular industry such as the company of

02:01:40.520 --> 02:01:42.960
working and choosing Tech please be up

02:01:43.039 --> 02:01:45.880
to those Etc childcare workers should

02:01:45.960 --> 02:01:48.159
not be lower paying directly I'm

02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:50.079
operating you know cash with quality

02:01:50.159 --> 02:01:53.279
child care workers hourly customer

02:01:53.359 --> 02:01:54.720
profit

02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:58.760
um which have energy

02:02:08.159 --> 02:02:09.640
second place

02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:12.479
counselors who have children or we care

02:02:12.560 --> 02:02:14.199
for children are in the Deep Advantage

02:02:14.279 --> 02:02:17.079
counseling making happen often like a

02:02:17.159 --> 02:02:19.680
lot it's apparently not here

02:02:19.760 --> 02:02:22.479
council is we'd like so if that

02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:25.640
government knowledge that traditionally

02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:27.720
um

02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:15.039
he said she couldn't

02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:26.199
we didn't have the opportunity to work

02:03:26.279 --> 02:03:28.279
um

02:03:36.119 --> 02:03:39.960
look so a lot of capital

02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:44.319
offices have have benchmarks against

02:03:44.399 --> 02:03:47.439
what and council's employees would you

02:03:47.520 --> 02:03:51.359
pay if they were on an award so I think

02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:53.319
it's possible categories

02:03:53.399 --> 02:03:55.199
um I'm going to work

02:03:55.279 --> 02:03:58.199
tomorrow's position there's no such

02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:00.239
capture employee evaporation because

02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:02.680
Council does not provide that will do

02:04:02.760 --> 02:04:04.720
not after hours charging for children

02:04:04.800 --> 02:04:08.000
the reality is and even accounts to us

02:04:08.079 --> 02:04:11.399
once you get after hours charged in and

02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:15.000
they want that child care to be

02:04:15.079 --> 02:04:18.640
um have an appropriate working to yeah

02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:20.520
pretty much

02:04:20.600 --> 02:04:23.319
they're working to be able to take that

02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:25.640
they want their child care worker to be

02:04:25.720 --> 02:04:27.760
appropriately trained and they want

02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:29.239
their child care

02:04:29.319 --> 02:04:31.920
recording and they want their child care

02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:33.199
workers

02:04:33.279 --> 02:04:35.960
provide the services

02:04:36.039 --> 02:04:39.079
areas such as Stonington where there is

02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:41.239
a huge market

02:04:41.319 --> 02:04:43.840
for or after hours jobs and if you

02:04:43.920 --> 02:04:47.520
didn't have Hospitality of paint and

02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:50.680
Waterway was so many important which

02:04:50.760 --> 02:04:54.039
assumed that council is also playing the

02:04:54.119 --> 02:04:56.800
superannuation has passed this

02:04:56.880 --> 02:04:58.880
um

02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:03.359
[Music]

02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:06.479
[Applause]

02:05:20.439 --> 02:05:23.560
[Music]

02:05:27.079 --> 02:05:30.079
extension

02:05:35.680 --> 02:05:38.880
[Music]

02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:45.840
think it's a small one impact of young

02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:48.119
children

02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:51.479
um if you feel a young mother

02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:53.399
um not being able to serve them cancer

02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:57.079
so I don't think about father

02:05:58.560 --> 02:06:00.840
um he's talking about today uh

02:06:00.920 --> 02:06:02.560
Progressive before thinking about this

02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:07.079
issue and not make the mistake of being

02:06:07.159 --> 02:06:10.239
pushed around by the politics of this

02:06:10.319 --> 02:06:11.680
issue which is so I've been taking

02:06:11.760 --> 02:06:13.520
advantage off by those who want to

02:06:13.600 --> 02:06:16.039
scholarships

02:06:16.119 --> 02:06:18.119
um

02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:24.520
I'm happy to do whatever happens okay

02:06:25.039 --> 02:06:27.000
thank you Council Lou

02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:29.000
um the second was councilor Griffin I

02:06:29.079 --> 02:06:30.520
think fair and reasonably thank you

02:06:30.600 --> 02:06:32.119
mayor fair and reasonable expenses

02:06:32.199 --> 02:06:35.000
incurred seems fair and reasonable to me

02:06:35.079 --> 02:06:36.960
um I think Council who has made this

02:06:37.039 --> 02:06:39.399
case uh quite clearly and succinctly so

02:06:39.479 --> 02:06:42.239
I don't feel I need to add at this stage

02:06:42.319 --> 02:06:43.920
I'll open it up it's a further

02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:47.079
discussion on this item

02:06:50.159 --> 02:06:53.039
they're proposing in the report

02:06:53.119 --> 02:06:56.880
child care and Family Care at 54.40 per

02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:58.960
hour index and with a CPI is that if

02:06:59.039 --> 02:07:01.439
they're reasonable

02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:05.159
ceiling for um for

02:07:06.720 --> 02:07:09.000
childcare's opinion that is a fairly

02:07:09.079 --> 02:07:11.000
reasonable rate for sure

02:07:11.079 --> 02:07:12.560
[Applause]

02:07:12.640 --> 02:07:15.479
Council Scott just a question do we have

02:07:15.560 --> 02:07:18.880
um benchmarks against other councils

02:07:18.960 --> 02:07:21.000
it's actually one of the attachments

02:07:21.079 --> 02:07:25.520
Council Scott in his attachment 8.12.4

02:07:25.600 --> 02:07:27.960
there's a mix of what other councils do

02:07:28.039 --> 02:07:31.960
and so what other services charge

02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:36.960
Nanny's interim care full-day childcare

02:07:37.039 --> 02:07:40.039
section

02:07:41.079 --> 02:07:43.720
we're not debating I'm just saying that

02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:47.319
that's in the documents

02:07:49.960 --> 02:07:52.039
where you've already spoken you can ask

02:07:52.119 --> 02:07:54.760
a question if you wish

02:07:54.840 --> 02:07:57.319
continue

02:07:57.399 --> 02:08:00.399
playing

02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:08.960
that councils could provide for one

02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:11.600
sort of three men the benchmarking is

02:08:11.680 --> 02:08:16.199
watching other councils equivalently

02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:18.760
um Casa Kelly would you like to speak or

02:08:18.840 --> 02:08:21.399
was it a question

02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:33.960
okay

02:08:34.039 --> 02:08:35.760
got to go

02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:38.560
I look at these benchmarks thank you man

02:08:38.640 --> 02:08:40.000
um I look at the police benchmarks from

02:08:40.079 --> 02:08:42.840
our councils and I see what's been

02:08:42.920 --> 02:08:44.880
proposed as well and truly over and

02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:45.760
above

02:08:45.840 --> 02:08:47.600
what other councils and councils are

02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:49.199
doing whether they consider that to be

02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:50.880
fair and reasonable is it relevant as

02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:52.920
what they've got in their policy this is

02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:55.000
this is world really above it the only

02:08:55.079 --> 02:08:56.439
one that comes close is the city of

02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:58.479
Melbourne at 46 dollars an hour we're

02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:01.319
seeing at 54 an hour as one of the

02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:04.479
councils with children on Council I have

02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:08.600
never paid 54 an hour even after hours I

02:09:08.680 --> 02:09:11.439
understand that perhaps some agencies do

02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:12.880
charge extra but there is a

02:09:12.960 --> 02:09:14.760
proliferation of agencies there's a

02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:16.800
proliferation of options we actually

02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:18.880
have multiple options available to

02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:22.319
councilors where it can be going through

02:09:22.399 --> 02:09:23.800
an agency or it can be going through

02:09:23.880 --> 02:09:25.119
someone that they have an existing

02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:27.239
relationship with and having the

02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:28.479
appropriate

02:09:28.560 --> 02:09:31.119
paper trail for so

02:09:31.199 --> 02:09:33.239
I I see this as being fair and

02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:36.640
reasonable if a counselor with children

02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:38.560
was to come to me and ask for my support

02:09:38.640 --> 02:09:40.199
on the notice of motion that we got the

02:09:40.279 --> 02:09:42.079
number wrong I would wholeheartedly

02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:44.119
support that but at the moment I feel

02:09:44.199 --> 02:09:46.520
like the number seems very very fair and

02:09:46.600 --> 02:09:52.640
reasonable thank you councilman Healy so

02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:54.720
I think firstly I'd like to say thank

02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:57.359
you to the officers who took on board

02:09:57.439 --> 02:09:59.199
some of the

02:09:59.279 --> 02:10:02.119
um the feedback that I had given as a

02:10:02.199 --> 02:10:04.560
mum of three young kids

02:10:04.640 --> 02:10:06.720
for instance that there's a difference

02:10:06.800 --> 02:10:08.800
between having

02:10:08.880 --> 02:10:10.840
the relatives that especially with young

02:10:10.920 --> 02:10:12.399
kids you're very unlikely to have them

02:10:12.479 --> 02:10:13.800
all at the same care all the time

02:10:13.880 --> 02:10:15.520
there's often different things they're

02:10:15.600 --> 02:10:18.399
at Etc because of their ages and stages

02:10:18.479 --> 02:10:19.600
so

02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:21.000
um thank you so much for taking that on

02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:22.239
board

02:10:22.319 --> 02:10:24.359
um I think

02:10:24.439 --> 02:10:28.800
I'm in line with the idea that 54.40 an

02:10:28.880 --> 02:10:31.199
hour is fair and reasonable particularly

02:10:31.279 --> 02:10:32.920
as we've got these that I have properly

02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:34.640
looked at that it's pretty cheap what

02:10:34.720 --> 02:10:36.520
that we have got benchmarks from other

02:10:36.600 --> 02:10:38.199
councils

02:10:38.279 --> 02:10:40.479
um I think that from my understanding of

02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:43.359
what I pay

02:10:43.439 --> 02:10:45.720
um child for child care in the area that

02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:48.239
that would be a very high ceiling to to

02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:52.199
have I appreciate and and happy that the

02:10:52.279 --> 02:10:54.760
councilor is looking into the gender pay

02:10:54.840 --> 02:10:57.479
Gap issue and wants us to be a

02:10:57.560 --> 02:11:00.159
progressive and forward-thinking Council

02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:00.960
um

02:11:01.039 --> 02:11:02.760
I think the reality of child care is

02:11:02.840 --> 02:11:04.960
it's also not just women I mean I I make

02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:06.479
sure when I'm looking at who's looking

02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:09.039
after my kids that I've got I've got

02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:10.640
boys that are dying I've got girls that

02:11:10.720 --> 02:11:13.000
are doing it I've I've got a range of of

02:11:13.079 --> 02:11:15.720
of people that I look to help look after

02:11:15.800 --> 02:11:17.520
my kids so

02:11:17.600 --> 02:11:19.520
um it is on us as individuals to help

02:11:19.600 --> 02:11:21.159
make sure we make those decisions as

02:11:21.239 --> 02:11:23.520
well and and as council do said I mean

02:11:23.600 --> 02:11:25.279
I've been really disappointed in how

02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:28.119
counselors from other councils from all

02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:29.600
political spectrums have been

02:11:29.680 --> 02:11:33.079
villainized for using Child Care

02:11:33.159 --> 02:11:34.479
um because

02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:36.640
we're here in a meeting and my children

02:11:36.720 --> 02:11:38.760
need to be looked after you know and

02:11:38.840 --> 02:11:41.439
that's the the cost of what of of doing

02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:43.000
the role is we need to make sure those

02:11:43.079 --> 02:11:45.560
systems and prices are in place and and

02:11:45.640 --> 02:11:47.199
I do think that what the officers have

02:11:47.279 --> 02:11:48.760
come up with is fair and reasonable

02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:50.920
however as Council better goal said if

02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:53.279
there is a time in the future where a

02:11:53.359 --> 02:11:55.319
new reality takes place

02:11:55.399 --> 02:11:57.840
um I will be totally open to a counselor

02:11:57.920 --> 02:12:00.159
that is going through trying to source

02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:02.399
and look at a range of child care to

02:12:02.479 --> 02:12:05.000
present an alternative or notice of

02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:07.439
motion to reflect what their their needs

02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:11.199
are but otherwise I'm actually a I

02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:12.560
prefer to support the office's

02:12:12.640 --> 02:12:14.680
recommendation in this case

02:12:14.760 --> 02:12:16.920
thank you Council here question Council

02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:20.680
Morgan um I guess so for you there maybe

02:12:20.760 --> 02:12:22.359
Mr Thompson I'm not sure but the answer

02:12:22.439 --> 02:12:24.399
is but if we had

02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:27.359
um something where an amount of set

02:12:27.439 --> 02:12:29.880
which is effectively what he's by

02:12:29.960 --> 02:12:31.239
sitting in about it's defining what's

02:12:31.319 --> 02:12:32.760
fair and reasonable

02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:34.439
could it be interpreted in the future

02:12:34.520 --> 02:12:36.039
that perhaps it's like an average of

02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:39.560
what other councils are charging or you

02:12:39.640 --> 02:12:41.439
know city of Melbourne has the highest

02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:42.960
amounts of where to charge that and

02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:44.279
that's not fair and reasonable ways

02:12:44.359 --> 02:12:46.720
because I'm concerned that fair reasons

02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:48.239
as well

02:12:48.319 --> 02:12:50.840
yeah

02:12:50.920 --> 02:12:53.800
like if it's not a specific amount

02:12:53.880 --> 02:12:56.760
that's been calculated how would fair

02:12:56.840 --> 02:12:59.720
and reasonably Define

02:13:01.119 --> 02:13:03.279
um three member officers turned their

02:13:03.359 --> 02:13:05.920
mind to that particular question because

02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:08.079
arguably there's a degree of

02:13:08.159 --> 02:13:10.600
subjectivity that is involved what may

02:13:10.680 --> 02:13:12.560
be fair and reasonable to one person may

02:13:12.640 --> 02:13:13.960
not be fairly reasonable to another

02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:17.399
person having said that in law is the

02:13:17.479 --> 02:13:20.439
principle of the reasonable person down

02:13:20.520 --> 02:13:22.800
there and there's a protocol to work

02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:25.960
through with that the policy if adopted

02:13:26.039 --> 02:13:28.479
by Council suggests that if the

02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:29.800
executive manager of legal and

02:13:29.880 --> 02:13:31.720
governance is unsure they can have a

02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:33.880
conversation with the chief executive

02:13:33.960 --> 02:13:36.359
officer and see guidance there what

02:13:36.439 --> 02:13:38.920
officers have been indebted to do is

02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:42.159
give absolute Clarity to councilors to

02:13:42.239 --> 02:13:44.000
potential candidates who may choose to

02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:46.720
stand at the council election 2024 and

02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:50.760
Beyond by setting a limit that having

02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:55.000
regard to what the market currently is

02:13:55.079 --> 02:13:57.560
having regard to if a council or

02:13:57.640 --> 02:13:59.680
employee was performing that type of

02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:00.960
role

02:14:01.039 --> 02:14:03.880
said I figure that offices of the new is

02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:06.439
fairly reasonable

02:14:07.039 --> 02:14:09.399
thank you Mr Thompson would any other

02:14:09.479 --> 02:14:11.279
councilors like to speak or ask any

02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:13.640
questions

02:14:16.439 --> 02:14:16.920
um

02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:18.640
okay

02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:20.560
um councilor Lou we're back with you to

02:14:20.640 --> 02:14:23.600
sum up if you like

02:14:24.239 --> 02:14:26.359
um

02:14:41.359 --> 02:14:44.479
[Applause]

02:14:51.159 --> 02:14:53.239
um

02:14:53.479 --> 02:14:59.640
a full-time Care at home an instruction

02:15:03.920 --> 02:15:08.560
is a family of two full-time employees

02:15:08.640 --> 02:15:13.640
his two children in full-time work

02:15:38.000 --> 02:15:41.479
I had an agent

02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:46.039
foreign

02:16:06.319 --> 02:16:09.439
[Music]

02:16:10.560 --> 02:16:12.359
um they're going to be knocked out

02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:14.880
so I'm very disappointed

02:16:14.960 --> 02:16:17.680
um but you know it is what it is if you

02:16:17.760 --> 02:16:20.680
want to walk out then if you want to

02:16:20.760 --> 02:16:23.359
walk out yeah

02:16:25.039 --> 02:16:28.520
people then

02:16:29.439 --> 02:16:31.239
get account

02:16:31.319 --> 02:16:32.799
ultimately

02:16:32.879 --> 02:16:35.440
it's not for the council to determine

02:16:35.520 --> 02:16:38.840
that's very reasonable and I had to see

02:16:38.920 --> 02:16:40.600
a situation where the council was first

02:16:40.680 --> 02:16:43.200
in digital taxes against the councils

02:16:43.280 --> 02:16:45.799
for their jobs to determine what was

02:16:45.879 --> 02:16:47.280
apparent reason

02:16:47.360 --> 02:16:50.000
the Council made up of people without

02:16:50.079 --> 02:16:54.120
like experience in this area is

02:16:56.440 --> 02:16:59.000
thank you councilor Lou Who will proceed

02:16:59.079 --> 02:17:02.000
to the vote all those in favor of the

02:17:02.079 --> 02:17:04.760
alternative recommendation

02:17:04.840 --> 02:17:07.120
all those against

02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:10.600
the motion is lost

02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:13.040
right it's it's too late cancel though

02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:15.360
it has to be requested I actually I will

02:17:15.440 --> 02:17:16.760
just check the governor's rules on that

02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:19.239
give me one moment has to be before I

02:17:19.319 --> 02:17:21.040
believe that's the case that I will just

02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:23.239
check

02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:35.840
yeah oh I can't accept that it has to

02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:37.120
just be before you move on to the next

02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:40.120
time so we'll cast it again all those in

02:17:40.200 --> 02:17:42.559
favor of the alternative recommendation

02:17:42.639 --> 02:17:46.479
sorry counselors and councilor Griffin

02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:49.280
and all those against

02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:51.760
counselors casares here we've got to go

02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:54.399
Coast Sarah Scott and Morgan the motion

02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:56.959
is lost so councilors go back to nothing

02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:59.079
on the table

02:17:59.159 --> 02:18:00.760
is there a notion that anyone would like

02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:02.799
to move how's the walking I'd like to

02:18:02.879 --> 02:18:05.079
move the officer's recommendations and

02:18:05.159 --> 02:18:08.120
is there a second in for that

02:18:08.200 --> 02:18:10.239
thank you Council about a goal

02:18:10.319 --> 02:18:12.040
um can I suggest

02:18:12.120 --> 02:18:13.959
and then you just go straight to it

02:18:14.040 --> 02:18:15.879
unless anyone is burning to say anything

02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.360
else

02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:23.000
always in favor of the officer's

02:18:23.079 --> 02:18:24.920
recommendation

02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:27.920
all goes against division the motion is

02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:29.319
carried and the division hasn't been

02:18:29.399 --> 02:18:31.760
called all those in favor counselors

02:18:31.840 --> 02:18:34.680
casaris Healey Federal co-star Scott and

02:18:34.760 --> 02:18:37.000
Morgan and all those guests Council Blu

02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:39.520
and Council Griffith the Motions carry

02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:42.200
thank you councilors and we've done 8.13

02:18:42.280 --> 02:18:43.719
so that brings us to the end of General

02:18:43.799 --> 02:18:45.639
business we'll go to our other items

02:18:45.719 --> 02:18:47.120
we've got no

02:18:47.200 --> 02:18:48.879
um correspondence is there any two table

02:18:48.959 --> 02:18:51.520
tonight councilor Morgan yes uh mayor

02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:53.840
I'd like to table correspondence uh

02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:55.840
received from the Victorian Pride Bobby

02:18:55.920 --> 02:19:00.159
uh regarding the uh very unfortunate and

02:19:00.239 --> 02:19:02.520
disciplined decision that had to be made

02:19:02.600 --> 02:19:05.440
to cancel for the Nova because of a oh

02:19:05.520 --> 02:19:09.360
sorry postponed wooden over because of

02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:13.559
approaches by farmwise protesters at

02:19:13.639 --> 02:19:16.239
Britain for safety of people attending

02:19:16.319 --> 02:19:18.920
the event including teenagers thank you

02:19:19.000 --> 02:19:21.280
Council Morgan other correspondence to

02:19:21.360 --> 02:19:22.920
table

02:19:23.000 --> 02:19:26.440
yeah just hundreds of letters about six

02:19:26.520 --> 02:19:27.920
seven one Chapel Street I didn't send

02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.520
them all to miss home and I just sent

02:19:29.600 --> 02:19:32.600
one as an example

02:19:33.840 --> 02:19:37.719
there's no other correspondence

02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:39.879
um

02:19:39.959 --> 02:19:41.959
I'll table it as correspondence but it's

02:19:42.040 --> 02:19:44.639
actually a book it's a long long island

02:19:44.719 --> 02:19:46.040
of Correspondence

02:19:46.120 --> 02:19:47.680
um this is actually a book it's called

02:19:47.760 --> 02:19:49.559
paintings from Paris it's a life and art

02:19:49.639 --> 02:19:52.719
of moyo daring I was written by again a

02:19:52.799 --> 02:19:56.639
couple Catholic um Moya was a resident

02:19:56.719 --> 02:19:59.319
of safiara because it's a great story I

02:19:59.399 --> 02:20:00.799
haven't read it fully but it's certainly

02:20:00.879 --> 02:20:02.799
very interesting I always love to look

02:20:02.879 --> 02:20:05.200
back on just pickles lives and just the

02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:07.719
amazing things they have achieved we

02:20:07.799 --> 02:20:09.399
don't see the better donation that's

02:20:09.479 --> 02:20:11.120
because there is a donation to put in

02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:14.879
the library so I thought thank you

02:20:14.959 --> 02:20:17.639
item 10 is table any petitions and Joint

02:20:17.719 --> 02:20:21.280
letters are there any of this evening

02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:24.040
but I will live at these notice of

02:20:24.120 --> 02:20:25.879
motion of which we don't have any

02:20:25.959 --> 02:20:30.159
tonight item 12 is reports by counselors

02:20:30.239 --> 02:20:31.600
um so first I'll ask if there's someone

02:20:31.680 --> 02:20:34.760
moving they're happy to move that we

02:20:34.840 --> 02:20:36.360
adopt a record of the Council of

02:20:36.440 --> 02:20:38.120
briefing session that was held on the

02:20:38.200 --> 02:20:40.000
5th of December

02:20:40.079 --> 02:20:43.000
thank you councilor Griffin secondary

02:20:43.079 --> 02:20:44.639
thank you Council battle

02:20:44.719 --> 02:20:46.840
um does anyone have any comments issues

02:20:46.920 --> 02:20:50.440
or questions with relation to the record

02:20:50.520 --> 02:20:52.120
proceed to the vote all those in favor

02:20:52.200 --> 02:20:54.559
of adopting that

02:20:54.639 --> 02:20:57.399
all those against

02:20:57.479 --> 02:20:59.920
okay you know what I'm saying all right

02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:01.959
that's Carrie thank you counselors are

02:21:02.040 --> 02:21:03.520
there any other reports that councils

02:21:03.600 --> 02:21:05.120
would like to give councilor Griffin um

02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:07.479
just the council Julie and I attended

02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:11.799
the AGM of the Traders Association

02:21:11.879 --> 02:21:13.760
we're really successful and quite a

02:21:13.840 --> 02:21:15.959
happy meeting in the circumstances of

02:21:16.040 --> 02:21:19.239
potential actual deep funding uh the

02:21:19.319 --> 02:21:21.120
federal member for I think it's was

02:21:21.200 --> 02:21:23.440
there she was very enthusiastic about

02:21:23.520 --> 02:21:26.280
seeing what she could do for Traders

02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:29.559
she's very vibrant personality

02:21:29.639 --> 02:21:31.600
so I really just wanted to report the

02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:33.760
council Union over there

02:21:33.840 --> 02:21:36.520
it hasn't written any reports to give on

02:21:36.600 --> 02:21:40.200
committees or anything of that nature

02:21:40.680 --> 02:21:43.360
excellent thank you counselor Griffin

02:21:43.440 --> 02:21:45.959
um item 13 is questions to council

02:21:46.040 --> 02:21:48.000
officers are there any tonight councilor

02:21:48.079 --> 02:21:50.079
Griffin thank you

02:21:50.159 --> 02:21:52.479
um the question I have through you mayor

02:21:52.559 --> 02:21:55.000
is to Mr I'm Mr Thompson I think it's

02:21:55.079 --> 02:21:57.120
with regard to the whistle of law policy

02:21:57.200 --> 02:22:01.000
I just want to confirm that we do have a

02:22:01.079 --> 02:22:03.799
protected disclosure officer or a

02:22:03.879 --> 02:22:06.760
whistleblower officer and that

02:22:06.840 --> 02:22:09.360
information is readily available to all

02:22:09.440 --> 02:22:12.280
our staff and also to the public

02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:15.000
opportunity

02:22:15.079 --> 02:22:16.200
um

02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:19.559
uh the curriculum biology now has moved

02:22:19.639 --> 02:22:20.799
from projected to scholarship

02:22:20.879 --> 02:22:22.239
coordinator to public interest

02:22:22.319 --> 02:22:25.639
disclosure coordinator

02:22:26.200 --> 02:22:27.959
the new terminology is public interest

02:22:28.040 --> 02:22:31.200
disposal for now right having said that

02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:34.719
with the departure to staff members I am

02:22:34.799 --> 02:22:36.280
Council for the public official

02:22:36.360 --> 02:22:38.319
disclosure coordinator there is

02:22:38.399 --> 02:22:40.239
information up on the council's website

02:22:40.319 --> 02:22:42.879
that directs members of the community to

02:22:42.959 --> 02:22:45.159
the process for making a public interest

02:22:45.239 --> 02:22:48.840
disclosure AKA whistleblower type matter

02:22:48.920 --> 02:22:51.799
Council has some Cornerstone Orchestra

02:22:51.879 --> 02:22:54.120
to my bodies some Cornerstone training

02:22:54.200 --> 02:22:57.600
modules which to roll out on a biennial

02:22:57.680 --> 02:23:01.000
basis to start in addition to new

02:23:01.079 --> 02:23:04.440
inductees explaining what takes place is

02:23:04.520 --> 02:23:06.639
on the legal government's work plan

02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:09.200
program to better informally educate

02:23:09.280 --> 02:23:11.120
based on stuff that's happening in the

02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:14.559
federal Parliament at the moment with

02:23:14.639 --> 02:23:16.719
respect to that particular matter and

02:23:16.799 --> 02:23:20.079
recognizing that the previous policy

02:23:20.159 --> 02:23:22.440
which is up on the council website has

02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:24.959
the names of some individual

02:23:25.040 --> 02:23:27.520
who are no longer youth Council that

02:23:27.600 --> 02:23:30.120
policy will be updated will be replaced

02:23:30.200 --> 02:23:32.559
by the end of February 2023.

02:23:32.639 --> 02:23:36.200
of sorry not the question there so whose

02:23:36.280 --> 02:23:39.360
name is up there now your name or sorry

02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:42.200
so on the website at the moment my name

02:23:42.280 --> 02:23:44.680
sorry my title is on there and the

02:23:44.760 --> 02:23:47.200
contact details and there is a distinct

02:23:47.280 --> 02:23:49.079
and unique email address that's

02:23:49.159 --> 02:23:52.120
available in addition to the telephone

02:23:52.200 --> 02:23:54.479
um number that people can ring on with

02:23:54.559 --> 02:23:56.639
respect to the policy the policy refers

02:23:56.719 --> 02:23:58.559
to some natural people and their names

02:23:58.639 --> 02:24:00.639
are in that policy those individuals are

02:24:00.719 --> 02:24:03.280
no longer employees okay

02:24:03.360 --> 02:24:05.719
thanks Mr Johnson and I have one more

02:24:05.799 --> 02:24:07.840
question on there and that's with regard

02:24:07.920 --> 02:24:09.520
to the Australian day of barbecue I

02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:11.319
think Miss Harrod might be in charge of

02:24:11.399 --> 02:24:12.479
that

02:24:12.559 --> 02:24:14.639
what's the question another question is

02:24:14.719 --> 02:24:17.319
uh how are the plans going and where is

02:24:17.399 --> 02:24:19.680
the location going to be

02:24:19.760 --> 02:24:21.520
after you there I'll have to take on

02:24:21.600 --> 02:24:23.639
those where the location I'll get

02:24:23.719 --> 02:24:25.559
through to you

02:24:25.639 --> 02:24:29.520
um for planning as well okay thank you

02:24:29.600 --> 02:24:30.879
okay thank you Council Griffin

02:24:30.959 --> 02:24:34.000
councilman Morgan uh thank you mayor I

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just have uh one question which is can

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uh Council officers confirm counsel are

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rescheduling this letter Nova event that

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was postponed

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after

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three minutes like that our planning is

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thank you

02:24:51.479 --> 02:24:53.680
are there any other questions to council

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officers councilor Lou

02:24:56.879 --> 02:24:58.000
um

02:24:58.079 --> 02:25:02.440
I promise on the eq3 in three years when

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you

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um yeah I promote video

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the same um

02:25:12.280 --> 02:25:16.239
about everybody else into you

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um

02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:24.520
however those

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um

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along

02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:34.200
the LGB the option part

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thank you Council Lou that's directed at

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Miss Harry uh for you may so we have um

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reviewed and we have some further

02:25:43.639 --> 02:25:46.000
information into the audience we've just

02:25:46.079 --> 02:25:47.920
received that backplate

02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:49.680
um Friday so we're reviewing that and

02:25:49.760 --> 02:25:51.719
we'll revise houses for our following

02:25:51.799 --> 02:25:53.360
our review

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thank you

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any other questions

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absolutely

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I might um

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absolutely answer your question officers

02:26:11.879 --> 02:26:13.360
have listened to the podcast have gone

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back to the church okay are there any

02:26:15.680 --> 02:26:18.840
other questions counselors

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no oh sorry cancer Healey

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[Applause]

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um you can see I can clarify if returns

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a bit of my counselors are exactly the

02:26:29.159 --> 02:26:30.879
same as the summary of returns which is

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on the council website

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kind of ask the clarification Council

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really which returns do you need the

02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:39.399
buyer routines

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um

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yeah it's classic

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through you now

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um

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yeah the CEO is required

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by an updated

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personal interest

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ing strong senior officers and

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count twice a year

02:26:54.280 --> 02:26:57.040
in March and then September and those

02:26:57.120 --> 02:26:59.719
returns that are put

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on fire

02:27:02.920 --> 02:27:05.280
so who has authority over what's in the

02:27:05.360 --> 02:27:08.079
summary of the return

02:27:08.159 --> 02:27:09.280
the CEO

02:27:09.360 --> 02:27:11.280
to summary

02:27:11.360 --> 02:27:13.879
is there any reason that information may

02:27:13.959 --> 02:27:15.399
be excluded from the summary of a

02:27:15.479 --> 02:27:16.920
personal address

02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:20.520
there are a number of reasons why

02:27:20.600 --> 02:27:22.680
information is summarized in a certain

02:27:22.760 --> 02:27:24.879
way and that's the term determined by

02:27:24.959 --> 02:27:27.120
the CEO and it can relate to various

02:27:27.200 --> 02:27:29.360
things

02:27:31.760 --> 02:27:33.639
therefore can I take from that if

02:27:33.719 --> 02:27:35.120
accounts they have concerns about the

02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:36.639
safety of themselves or another person

02:27:36.719 --> 02:27:38.639
they could request from the CEO of the

02:27:38.719 --> 02:27:39.959
information will be excluded from the

02:27:40.040 --> 02:27:41.920
summary

02:27:42.000 --> 02:27:46.440
determination by the city at the time to

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to given the type of information

02:27:51.559 --> 02:27:54.479
provided to their

02:27:54.559 --> 02:27:57.120
and then to your knowledge have members

02:27:57.200 --> 02:27:58.879
of this Council ever had what they

02:27:58.959 --> 02:28:01.000
consider to be genuine concerns about

02:28:01.079 --> 02:28:02.440
their safety and potentially their

02:28:02.520 --> 02:28:04.559
safety of their family and needed to

02:28:04.639 --> 02:28:06.000
look to take measures to protect

02:28:06.079 --> 02:28:07.879
themselves or their families

02:28:07.959 --> 02:28:11.479
I believe so over time

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foreign

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[Music]

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business

02:28:22.040 --> 02:28:23.799
I do know that something has been

02:28:23.879 --> 02:28:27.280
circulated Council Luke

02:28:27.559 --> 02:28:28.600
um thank you

02:28:28.680 --> 02:28:30.680
um

02:28:33.319 --> 02:28:38.319
it had to do with a a warning but it was

02:28:38.399 --> 02:28:40.280
published by the local government

02:28:40.360 --> 02:28:44.120
inspector to council

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[Applause]

02:29:00.680 --> 02:29:01.959
um yeah

02:29:02.040 --> 02:29:05.040
and issue your life

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starting from the requirements

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[Music]

02:29:13.360 --> 02:29:15.680
this Christmas body

02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:18.639
whether or not this is an issue that's

02:29:18.719 --> 02:29:21.280
going to increase taxes need to be

02:29:21.360 --> 02:29:23.280
concerned about

02:29:23.360 --> 02:29:24.159
um

02:29:24.239 --> 02:29:27.760
he can't really make but they need to

02:29:27.840 --> 02:29:29.120
come through

02:29:29.200 --> 02:29:31.479
Council Lou can I suggest that you turn

02:29:31.559 --> 02:29:34.520
your video off

02:29:37.360 --> 02:29:40.440
everybody yeah sorry that we pretty much

02:29:40.520 --> 02:29:42.159
missed all of that Council though if you

02:29:42.239 --> 02:29:44.319
turn your video off um do you try

02:29:44.399 --> 02:29:46.840
speaking now

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okay

02:29:49.559 --> 02:29:52.079
no it's not okay

02:29:52.159 --> 02:29:53.200
yeah

02:29:53.280 --> 02:29:56.840
I think that's okay

02:29:57.680 --> 02:30:00.200
yeah but Council blue unfortunately I'm

02:30:00.280 --> 02:30:01.840
going to have to ask you to pretty much

02:30:01.920 --> 02:30:04.719
repeat all of that and just note that

02:30:04.799 --> 02:30:06.399
under the governance rules when

02:30:06.479 --> 02:30:09.120
proposing an item of urgent business to

02:30:09.200 --> 02:30:13.879
uh State its nature and intent and state

02:30:13.959 --> 02:30:16.200
why you believe it is urgent we did

02:30:16.280 --> 02:30:19.760
unfortunately yeah

02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:35.000
you can't nearest Council Loop

02:30:40.799 --> 02:30:43.719
councilman

02:30:47.040 --> 02:30:49.000
can we just

02:30:49.079 --> 02:30:52.399
park it and come back

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faster

02:30:58.680 --> 02:31:01.760
[Applause]

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well given um given this item emerging

02:31:11.360 --> 02:31:13.079
business has just been circulated over

02:31:13.159 --> 02:31:15.959
email quite like this evening what I'll

02:31:16.040 --> 02:31:19.600
do is I will Corner Germans

02:31:19.680 --> 02:31:21.360
hopefully councilman can reconnect

02:31:21.440 --> 02:31:23.639
within that time we can have a lot of

02:31:23.719 --> 02:31:25.280
discussion about what's been circulated

02:31:25.360 --> 02:31:26.680
as someone might have seen that we don't

02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:28.840
have our computers open in front of us

02:31:28.920 --> 02:31:31.079
and then we can come back with a better

02:31:31.159 --> 02:31:33.559
idea

02:31:34.040 --> 02:31:35.559
that's okay

02:31:35.639 --> 02:31:37.719
um

02:31:39.079 --> 02:31:41.639
councilor Lou are you back

02:31:41.719 --> 02:31:45.799
I am yeah okay yes we can that's much

02:31:45.879 --> 02:31:48.159
better I was just saying that I was

02:31:48.239 --> 02:31:50.440
about to enjoy the meeting so we could

02:31:50.520 --> 02:31:52.200
consider the resolution and hopefully

02:31:52.280 --> 02:31:54.000
try and reconnect you but you've made it

02:31:54.079 --> 02:31:57.760
back so can I ask you to just uh briefly

02:31:57.840 --> 02:32:00.040
State the nature and intent of the

02:32:00.120 --> 02:32:03.479
resolution and talk to us about why you

02:32:03.559 --> 02:32:05.639
believe it's virgin business

02:32:05.719 --> 02:32:09.719
okay bye

02:32:32.040 --> 02:32:35.159
[Music]

02:32:49.680 --> 02:32:53.559
okay so just one moment everyone

02:32:55.760 --> 02:32:59.440
okay so Council I'll take that as moving

02:32:59.520 --> 02:33:02.040
that we move into confidential business

02:33:02.120 --> 02:33:04.680
oh sorry that we move into urgent

02:33:04.760 --> 02:33:05.920
business

02:33:06.000 --> 02:33:08.600
yes

02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:21.479
so this is a resolution to admit the

02:33:21.559 --> 02:33:23.280
items urgent business which councilman

02:33:23.360 --> 02:33:25.079
has moved and is there a second look at

02:33:25.159 --> 02:33:27.280
that I'm happy to step in the council's

02:33:27.360 --> 02:33:30.360
there okay so um Council we've provided

02:33:30.440 --> 02:33:32.360
an introduction but I'll allow you to

02:33:32.440 --> 02:33:34.959
speak to why again and if you want to

02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:36.520
elaborate on why you'd like this urge

02:33:36.600 --> 02:33:38.079
your business without debating the

02:33:38.159 --> 02:33:41.479
action motion itself please

02:33:41.879 --> 02:33:42.799
um

02:33:42.879 --> 02:33:45.280
no

02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:48.040
I mean um

02:33:48.120 --> 02:33:50.799
let me bring out the money because

02:33:50.879 --> 02:33:51.239
um

02:33:51.319 --> 02:33:54.440
[Music]

02:33:55.440 --> 02:33:59.879
in Spring 2022 Newsradio

02:33:59.959 --> 02:34:03.120
The Eccentric reminded all chapters that

02:34:03.200 --> 02:34:06.079
writing provided to provide

02:34:06.159 --> 02:34:08.920
60. so rather than describing the

02:34:09.000 --> 02:34:11.479
Improvement interest

02:34:14.680 --> 02:34:17.520
he expected also described to have one

02:34:17.600 --> 02:34:20.559
Federal counselors about positions

02:34:20.639 --> 02:34:22.959
and I think there's an issue that kind

02:34:23.040 --> 02:34:25.600
of like frequently practically

02:34:25.680 --> 02:34:27.200
Australian thing

02:34:27.280 --> 02:34:29.360
um

02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:38.120
in my view of the council and

02:34:38.200 --> 02:34:40.280
communities I was harder to understand

02:34:40.360 --> 02:34:43.440
how the scripture came why does what you

02:34:43.520 --> 02:34:46.200
care and then Reflections were coming to

02:34:46.280 --> 02:34:47.639
the Future

02:34:47.719 --> 02:34:51.239
um expectation

02:35:38.879 --> 02:35:41.479
um and obligation for Council of delayed

02:35:41.559 --> 02:35:43.959
that we have the respect to the local

02:35:44.040 --> 02:35:47.440
government and what we do in cases where

02:35:47.520 --> 02:35:49.079
the local government actually can engage

02:35:49.159 --> 02:35:52.879
possibly probably

02:35:52.959 --> 02:35:55.959
um when we find out if we

02:35:56.040 --> 02:35:58.680
um engage any effective lectures how do

02:35:58.760 --> 02:36:00.120
we respond to the topic of the

02:36:00.200 --> 02:36:01.600
situations to ensure that they're

02:36:01.680 --> 02:36:05.040
dealing with maximum outside with best

02:36:05.120 --> 02:36:07.200
possible practice when it comes to what

02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:09.760
holding our professional

02:36:09.840 --> 02:36:12.120
okay thank you Council Bluff Council

02:36:12.200 --> 02:36:14.040
here is that a question at the State uh

02:36:14.120 --> 02:36:15.719
no I believe I need to declare a

02:36:15.799 --> 02:36:17.280
conflict because

02:36:17.360 --> 02:36:20.799
um councilors mainly in the

02:36:21.200 --> 02:36:23.200
um

02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:27.719
thank you mayor for the same reasons

02:36:27.799 --> 02:36:29.680
I'll declare a conflict having seen my

02:36:29.760 --> 02:36:32.360
name at 8 39 PM

02:36:32.440 --> 02:36:32.680
um

02:36:32.760 --> 02:36:35.840
[Applause]

02:36:38.840 --> 02:36:40.959
five minutes

02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:42.639
talk through because I have some

02:36:42.719 --> 02:36:44.440
questions about procedures and things

02:36:44.520 --> 02:36:46.680
that may be happening I will just let um

02:36:46.760 --> 02:36:50.479
the councilors learn yep

02:36:53.600 --> 02:36:56.680
um so I've moved an adjournment by

02:36:56.760 --> 02:36:59.440
Council Morgan and seconded by your all

02:36:59.520 --> 02:37:01.120
secondary I just suggested just earlier

02:37:01.200 --> 02:37:03.879
can I suggest we do it for up to 10

02:37:03.959 --> 02:37:06.159
minutes

02:37:08.680 --> 02:37:12.000
in favor of a journey

02:37:12.079 --> 02:37:16.120
that's Carrie thank you councilor so

02:37:17.639 --> 02:37:20.440
okay so counselors and anyone watching

02:37:20.520 --> 02:37:22.479
we have that come out adjournment thank

02:37:22.559 --> 02:37:25.079
you for being patient with us

02:37:25.159 --> 02:37:27.399
um where we were was that Council we

02:37:27.479 --> 02:37:29.639
have spoken as the Mover to admit

02:37:29.719 --> 02:37:31.959
Anonymous urgent business we are now

02:37:32.040 --> 02:37:34.879
with councilors there as a sector uh

02:37:34.959 --> 02:37:36.280
thank you Matt

02:37:36.360 --> 02:37:37.000
um

02:37:37.079 --> 02:37:39.959
I am agreed to Second this motion I do

02:37:40.040 --> 02:37:41.559
see it as urgent

02:37:41.639 --> 02:37:44.360
um reason being counselors are about to

02:37:44.440 --> 02:37:47.360
complete their next Semi interest and I

02:37:47.440 --> 02:37:49.600
want to ensure that if there is an error

02:37:49.680 --> 02:37:51.280
as called out in the local government

02:37:51.360 --> 02:37:53.840
inspector in Spring 2002 newsletter that

02:37:53.920 --> 02:37:55.840
we're aware of what it is

02:37:55.920 --> 02:37:58.360
um now and the motion that was to be put

02:37:58.440 --> 02:38:00.600
was one that didn't accuse anyone of

02:38:00.680 --> 02:38:02.040
anything

02:38:02.120 --> 02:38:05.040
um but if counselors and if I had

02:38:05.120 --> 02:38:06.879
inadvertently made an error on mine and

02:38:06.959 --> 02:38:08.639
I got a warning from the inspector I

02:38:08.719 --> 02:38:11.040
would tell Council and I admit that I'd

02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:13.719
made an error and share the reasons why

02:38:13.799 --> 02:38:15.040
I make sure that it didn't happen again

02:38:15.120 --> 02:38:17.440
because I'm not confident now after

02:38:17.520 --> 02:38:19.840
reading this if there is an error that

02:38:19.920 --> 02:38:22.239
we may we may repeat that area ourselves

02:38:22.319 --> 02:38:23.840
and end up as an official warning as

02:38:23.920 --> 02:38:25.840
well inadvertently so I don't see the

02:38:25.920 --> 02:38:27.600
big issue in it I just want to be

02:38:27.680 --> 02:38:29.559
transparent and clear about what has

02:38:29.639 --> 02:38:31.239
actually happened has it happened to

02:38:31.319 --> 02:38:33.479
Tuesday councilors there's no alleging

02:38:33.559 --> 02:38:36.000
debt it is too particular counselors all

02:38:36.079 --> 02:38:37.840
we know is that chicken council's house

02:38:37.920 --> 02:38:39.280
were provided to the CEO on their

02:38:39.360 --> 02:38:41.319
personal interest form which is exactly

02:38:41.399 --> 02:38:44.040
what the inspector said resulted in a

02:38:44.120 --> 02:38:45.639
warning it could be two councils from

02:38:45.719 --> 02:38:48.120
another one any one of the other 79

02:38:48.200 --> 02:38:50.920
councils in Victoria I don't know but

02:38:51.000 --> 02:38:52.280
look in light of sort of discussions

02:38:52.360 --> 02:38:54.879
during the endurement I will withdraw my

02:38:54.959 --> 02:38:57.200
seconding of the Urgent motion and I

02:38:57.280 --> 02:38:59.280
think it's going to get up but I will

02:38:59.360 --> 02:39:00.600
certainly be bringing this matter back

02:39:00.680 --> 02:39:02.120
in the new year because it is critical

02:39:02.200 --> 02:39:03.879
to the transparency in governance of

02:39:03.959 --> 02:39:05.799
this Council and I'm not going to let it

02:39:05.879 --> 02:39:08.079
rest

02:39:09.440 --> 02:39:12.280
second up which means we are left with a

02:39:12.360 --> 02:39:14.440
mover I will ask if there is another

02:39:14.520 --> 02:39:17.719
secondar to admitting this as urgent

02:39:17.799 --> 02:39:20.000
business

02:39:20.840 --> 02:39:23.719
like that doesn't have to go to the

02:39:23.799 --> 02:39:25.719
right can a second to withdraw up the

02:39:25.799 --> 02:39:27.399
second email is it just go to a wife and

02:39:27.479 --> 02:39:29.680
she likes against him

02:39:29.760 --> 02:39:33.000
[Music]

02:39:33.079 --> 02:39:35.520
[Applause]

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I'll just check that it's not something

02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:48.360
it's if the majority of counselors

02:39:48.440 --> 02:39:51.360
subject to the withdrawal of the motion

02:39:51.440 --> 02:39:54.639
or Amendment it may not be withdrawn for

02:39:54.719 --> 02:39:56.440
any motion or a member is put to

02:39:56.520 --> 02:39:58.440
Authority it may be withdrawn by the

02:39:58.520 --> 02:40:00.360
murder and something that we believe of

02:40:00.440 --> 02:40:02.879
the council

02:40:03.440 --> 02:40:04.719
see

02:40:04.799 --> 02:40:07.799
cancer

02:40:11.399 --> 02:40:14.360
may just to make it easy right I'll just

02:40:14.440 --> 02:40:16.120
write against it you don't know if I'm

02:40:16.200 --> 02:40:17.840
certain way to go to Asian business so

02:40:17.920 --> 02:40:19.680
it's like it's the last name of the Year

02:40:19.760 --> 02:40:21.639
let's just

02:40:21.719 --> 02:40:24.600
okay so okay so the motion the motion is

02:40:24.680 --> 02:40:26.120
still in play however it has not been

02:40:26.200 --> 02:40:28.239
admitted into urgent business I will

02:40:28.319 --> 02:40:29.920
open it up for discussion on whether

02:40:30.000 --> 02:40:32.079
this is urgent business not debating the

02:40:32.159 --> 02:40:33.879
motion itself

02:40:33.959 --> 02:40:35.680
um I'll speak

02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:36.760
um so

02:40:36.840 --> 02:40:39.399
I'm you know quite conflicted on this in

02:40:39.479 --> 02:40:41.719
the sense that I agree that this Council

02:40:41.799 --> 02:40:44.799
wants to really stand by the principles

02:40:44.879 --> 02:40:47.280
of good governance and transparency and

02:40:47.360 --> 02:40:49.479
where councilors have made either areas

02:40:49.559 --> 02:40:51.040
of judgment or

02:40:51.120 --> 02:40:52.600
um maybe have done something even by

02:40:52.680 --> 02:40:54.959
mistake in the past we have called those

02:40:55.040 --> 02:40:57.280
things out and tried to learn from them

02:40:57.360 --> 02:40:59.079
so you know

02:40:59.159 --> 02:41:01.879
um should the counselors names in motion

02:41:01.959 --> 02:41:04.000
be the counselors named by the LGI I

02:41:04.079 --> 02:41:05.639
would have thought um that you know

02:41:05.719 --> 02:41:07.239
there really is no issue with owning

02:41:07.319 --> 02:41:08.920
that but I don't know whether it is or

02:41:09.000 --> 02:41:10.680
isn't them

02:41:10.760 --> 02:41:14.079
um and I'm not satisfied that this is

02:41:14.159 --> 02:41:15.360
urgent business I don't think that case

02:41:15.440 --> 02:41:18.120
has been articulated very well at all I

02:41:18.200 --> 02:41:20.040
don't see why this can't wait until

02:41:20.120 --> 02:41:22.360
February when we have our next council

02:41:22.440 --> 02:41:23.639
meeting

02:41:23.719 --> 02:41:25.879
um that's that is what has really done

02:41:25.959 --> 02:41:27.959
it for me and I feel like I've taken

02:41:28.040 --> 02:41:30.159
quite a strong line on what is urgent

02:41:30.239 --> 02:41:32.639
business and what isn't in the past and

02:41:32.719 --> 02:41:35.520
I will stick to my principles

02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:38.360
um and my one is that it's not going to

02:41:38.440 --> 02:41:40.120
business however I do want to make it

02:41:40.200 --> 02:41:41.559
clear that I support the matter coming

02:41:41.639 --> 02:41:42.719
back

02:41:42.799 --> 02:41:44.360
um because I think it does need further

02:41:44.440 --> 02:41:46.079
explanation and discussion and

02:41:46.159 --> 02:41:47.840
potentially public disclosure at some

02:41:47.920 --> 02:41:50.120
stage if that is required or at the very

02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:51.799
least learnings for us whether they're

02:41:51.879 --> 02:41:54.399
starting to counselors or not you know I

02:41:54.479 --> 02:41:55.959
also want to know whether I've been

02:41:56.040 --> 02:41:58.239
feeling lying out correctly I have

02:41:58.319 --> 02:41:59.920
certain information suppressed for the

02:42:00.000 --> 02:42:01.840
safety of myself

02:42:01.920 --> 02:42:03.200
um and wouldn't want to think that I was

02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:05.280
in breach of the Local Government Act

02:42:05.360 --> 02:42:06.479
um

02:42:06.559 --> 02:42:08.200
that's my position on whether it's

02:42:08.280 --> 02:42:09.799
actually business can I ask a question

02:42:09.879 --> 02:42:12.120
it might be a silly one it's late at

02:42:12.200 --> 02:42:13.000
night

02:42:13.079 --> 02:42:16.200
um a council was able to ask officers to

02:42:16.280 --> 02:42:18.159
prepare a report for a confidential

02:42:18.239 --> 02:42:19.959
Council of breaking on the matter so we

02:42:20.040 --> 02:42:21.159
can get to the bottom of it because

02:42:21.239 --> 02:42:23.680
clearly there's some concern here

02:42:23.760 --> 02:42:26.280
so we can actually get the facts Council

02:42:26.360 --> 02:42:30.159
of course LGI outcomes confidential

02:42:30.239 --> 02:42:32.360
so um I

02:42:32.440 --> 02:42:34.559
I don't know what officers could have

02:42:34.639 --> 02:42:36.719
couldn't say on on whether it was a

02:42:36.799 --> 02:42:38.440
paper on how to fill out the

02:42:38.520 --> 02:42:40.840
Declarations correctly that's that's one

02:42:40.920 --> 02:42:42.120
thing

02:42:42.200 --> 02:42:44.079
um but I'm not sure how there's anything

02:42:44.159 --> 02:42:46.479
else that could take place with regards

02:42:46.559 --> 02:42:49.600
to any LGI outcome

02:42:49.680 --> 02:42:51.959
yes sort of relates to that through you

02:42:52.040 --> 02:42:54.760
mayor does has Council received any

02:42:54.840 --> 02:42:57.280
formal notification from the LGI to

02:42:57.360 --> 02:42:59.559
taking further action on their findings

02:42:59.639 --> 02:43:02.600
I don't know

02:43:03.120 --> 02:43:04.479
it's not a matter that I can really

02:43:04.559 --> 02:43:06.280
comment on given that that matters

02:43:06.360 --> 02:43:07.760
relating to

02:43:07.840 --> 02:43:10.600
our confidential

02:43:18.879 --> 02:43:20.520
it's a great question and then maybe one

02:43:20.600 --> 02:43:22.200
to speak at all about depending on the

02:43:22.280 --> 02:43:23.520
answer

02:43:23.600 --> 02:43:27.879
um is it true that all LGI findings or

02:43:27.959 --> 02:43:29.840
confidential I mean I think I've seen

02:43:29.920 --> 02:43:31.680
some of my councils have been actually

02:43:31.760 --> 02:43:34.120
found who have done something wrong and

02:43:34.200 --> 02:43:36.280
either the lgis found against them all

02:43:36.360 --> 02:43:37.879
been taken them to court so I say that

02:43:37.959 --> 02:43:40.200
perhaps that is not true that all

02:43:40.280 --> 02:43:41.200
matters

02:43:41.280 --> 02:43:42.959
are confidential but it's a discretion

02:43:43.040 --> 02:43:46.280
of the lgr is that correct Thompson

02:43:46.360 --> 02:43:48.520
um

02:43:48.600 --> 02:43:49.959
magnetic

02:43:50.040 --> 02:43:51.879
cancel this morning's statement is

02:43:51.959 --> 02:43:53.360
correct if you look at the spring

02:43:53.440 --> 02:43:56.200
newsletter that the inspector put out

02:43:56.280 --> 02:43:58.000
they referred to a counselor from the

02:43:58.079 --> 02:44:00.120
moruda that they

02:44:00.200 --> 02:44:02.200
've been prosecuted it's in the

02:44:02.280 --> 02:44:04.600
newsletter so on the balance of

02:44:04.680 --> 02:44:06.600
probabilities I think it's fair to say

02:44:06.680 --> 02:44:08.680
that not all manners that the inspector

02:44:08.760 --> 02:44:11.280
and we investigate remain confidential

02:44:11.360 --> 02:44:13.719
because once you work through a court of

02:44:13.799 --> 02:44:15.040
law in the

02:44:15.120 --> 02:44:17.120
tonight as opposed to the Peru to cancel

02:44:17.200 --> 02:44:18.959
a face that's mentioned in the Stream

02:44:19.040 --> 02:44:20.840
later I'm quite clearly see what the

02:44:20.920 --> 02:44:23.360
outcome was and the individual concerned

02:44:23.440 --> 02:44:26.680
for the party to the proceedings

02:44:26.760 --> 02:44:28.760
I guess just as a follow-up on that

02:44:28.840 --> 02:44:29.920
would be then

02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:32.040
reasonable to assume that if the LGI

02:44:32.120 --> 02:44:36.120
said that they warned two councilors

02:44:36.200 --> 02:44:38.440
and giving them a warning who had

02:44:38.520 --> 02:44:40.280
publicized that without naming them that

02:44:40.360 --> 02:44:42.479
there's no other action being taken on

02:44:42.559 --> 02:44:45.159
that data

02:44:46.440 --> 02:44:47.920
you know it's really up to Vision if I

02:44:48.000 --> 02:44:50.440
wouldn't disclose it but we would assume

02:44:50.520 --> 02:44:52.479
that there's obviously anything else

02:44:52.559 --> 02:44:55.079
relating to that matter

02:44:55.159 --> 02:44:56.200
um

02:44:56.280 --> 02:44:58.280
that will be made enough to

02:44:58.360 --> 02:44:59.799
a sector

02:44:59.879 --> 02:45:02.920
is awesome where the lgr does a shoe

02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:04.600
warnings and we do these things happen

02:45:04.680 --> 02:45:06.000
from time to time so we're understanding

02:45:06.079 --> 02:45:07.959
that that really means at the end of it

02:45:08.040 --> 02:45:09.639
from the lgr's perspective they're not

02:45:09.719 --> 02:45:11.399
taking further

02:45:11.479 --> 02:45:14.040
action on the matter it's just a warning

02:45:14.120 --> 02:45:16.719
issue three men and a minute I think the

02:45:16.799 --> 02:45:19.000
best way I can answer that question is

02:45:19.079 --> 02:45:22.200
the LGI has published an article in the

02:45:22.280 --> 02:45:24.719
newsletter where they've summarized a

02:45:24.799 --> 02:45:26.840
particular matter and they're given

02:45:26.920 --> 02:45:28.879
guidance to the sector on how they've

02:45:28.959 --> 02:45:32.079
dealt with that particular matter

02:45:32.360 --> 02:45:36.200
can I ask a question yes Mr Thompson

02:45:36.280 --> 02:45:39.360
if the two counselors who were named we

02:45:39.440 --> 02:45:41.280
won't have strong into bright stones and

02:45:41.360 --> 02:45:43.120
counselors very castles from another

02:45:43.200 --> 02:45:46.559
councilors another councils and student

02:45:46.639 --> 02:45:50.559
councilors continue to write disclose to

02:45:50.639 --> 02:45:52.360
the CEO on the professional interest

02:45:52.440 --> 02:45:55.079
Returns the most signature council is at

02:45:55.159 --> 02:45:58.799
risk of prosecution

02:46:03.280 --> 02:46:05.440
uh three men and men that's a very good

02:46:05.520 --> 02:46:07.440
question counselor

02:46:07.520 --> 02:46:10.440
um Lou

02:46:10.920 --> 02:46:13.280
potentially yes

02:46:13.360 --> 02:46:15.760
that's my point

02:46:15.840 --> 02:46:19.559
so if and practice that has been on

02:46:19.639 --> 02:46:22.760
value is I mean this is maybe not a

02:46:22.840 --> 02:46:23.719
question

02:46:23.799 --> 02:46:26.559
in the practice that has been ongoing

02:46:26.639 --> 02:46:28.120
um

02:46:28.200 --> 02:46:32.399
result in Council as being prosecuted

02:46:32.479 --> 02:46:36.079
is a really urgency

02:46:37.319 --> 02:46:39.399
the only way I can answer that councilor

02:46:39.479 --> 02:46:41.520
Lou it's a matter for the council is to

02:46:41.600 --> 02:46:43.840
determine whether they think this matter

02:46:43.920 --> 02:46:45.399
is a matter of urgent business it's not

02:46:45.479 --> 02:46:47.719
a matter for officers to determine

02:46:47.799 --> 02:46:50.360
whether it is or is not urgent business

02:46:50.440 --> 02:46:53.360
got a question sorry when

02:46:53.440 --> 02:46:55.879
um is the next biennial industry term

02:46:55.959 --> 02:46:58.120
due to be

02:46:58.200 --> 02:47:01.559
submitted and published no no submitted

02:47:01.639 --> 02:47:03.200
by the council so when do they do with

02:47:03.280 --> 02:47:05.680
X1 it's three years

02:47:05.760 --> 02:47:09.520
the next submission

02:47:12.200 --> 02:47:15.120
decide by the 20th of December sure but

02:47:15.200 --> 02:47:17.280
my question is when is the next one the

02:47:17.360 --> 02:47:19.079
councilors need to submit in the future

02:47:19.159 --> 02:47:19.840
sorry

02:47:19.920 --> 02:47:22.959
sorry for you man

02:47:23.040 --> 02:47:24.719
um The Local Government Act requires

02:47:24.799 --> 02:47:26.840
councilors to submit a by annual return

02:47:26.920 --> 02:47:31.079
it's twice yearly it's by the 33 years

02:47:31.159 --> 02:47:33.639
by the end of March and by the end of

02:47:33.719 --> 02:47:35.719
September each year and then there's a

02:47:35.799 --> 02:47:37.239
positive obligation on the chief

02:47:37.319 --> 02:47:39.639
executive officer to take information

02:47:39.719 --> 02:47:42.120
that's on the biome of personal return

02:47:42.200 --> 02:47:45.120
and to do a summary which goes up on the

02:47:45.200 --> 02:47:47.920
council website having said that within

02:47:48.000 --> 02:47:51.000
30 days of becoming a counselor or a

02:47:51.079 --> 02:47:53.319
council sorry or a nominated officer you

02:47:53.399 --> 02:47:55.479
need to fill out a initial

02:47:55.559 --> 02:47:58.440
personal interest return

02:47:58.520 --> 02:48:01.079
so I thought I saw Council lose hand

02:48:01.159 --> 02:48:04.440
first yeah

02:48:10.879 --> 02:48:13.760
their returns water into each of the

02:48:13.840 --> 02:48:17.559
local government and they're able to in

02:48:17.639 --> 02:48:19.600
um ending the returns and the website

02:48:19.680 --> 02:48:23.200
can be amended to go back okay

02:48:26.680 --> 02:48:28.840
I'm going to need to take that question

02:48:28.920 --> 02:48:31.200
I noticed because I don't honestly know

02:48:31.280 --> 02:48:33.120
the answer to that question in the sense

02:48:33.200 --> 02:48:36.600
that it's retrospective I would need to

02:48:36.680 --> 02:48:39.520
contact the inspector to see further

02:48:39.600 --> 02:48:41.719
guidance

02:48:41.799 --> 02:48:43.360
um councilor Griffin

02:48:43.440 --> 02:48:46.280
um yeah the words provided to the CEO Mr

02:48:46.360 --> 02:48:47.719
Thompson

02:48:47.799 --> 02:48:50.280
I mean how would you make that up if

02:48:50.360 --> 02:48:52.000
someone hadn't told you that was

02:48:52.079 --> 02:48:53.799
something you could do like I wouldn't

02:48:53.879 --> 02:48:58.760
know to put provided uh to the CEO who

02:48:58.840 --> 02:49:01.239
gave anyone that sort of advice was it

02:49:01.319 --> 02:49:03.479
the CEO and it was the CEO why wouldn't

02:49:03.559 --> 02:49:05.520
the CEO of a cop award for giving for

02:49:05.600 --> 02:49:08.000
advice

02:49:15.079 --> 02:49:17.319
with the greatest respect counselor I

02:49:17.399 --> 02:49:18.760
don't know how to answer that question

02:49:18.840 --> 02:49:22.200
no I don't know how to answer it either

02:49:22.280 --> 02:49:24.360
because I can't imagine a council would

02:49:24.440 --> 02:49:26.520
just make those words up they've been

02:49:26.600 --> 02:49:28.840
given advice by someone presumably the

02:49:28.920 --> 02:49:32.280
CEO well sure you don't know so

02:49:32.360 --> 02:49:34.239
councilor is that another question yeah

02:49:34.319 --> 02:49:36.799
here's another question

02:49:36.879 --> 02:49:37.680
um

02:49:37.760 --> 02:49:40.000
so I'll ask the question what do I

02:49:40.079 --> 02:49:42.719
counselors provided advice for our

02:49:42.799 --> 02:49:43.360
Council offices

02:49:43.440 --> 02:49:44.799
[Music]

02:49:44.879 --> 02:49:47.280
[Applause]

02:49:47.360 --> 02:49:49.280
manipulate to

02:49:49.360 --> 02:49:50.079
um

02:49:50.159 --> 02:49:52.280
cancel this one is not

02:49:52.360 --> 02:49:54.879
living now

02:49:54.959 --> 02:49:57.879
without the former CEO here I don't know

02:49:57.959 --> 02:49:59.520
if an answer to that question can be

02:49:59.600 --> 02:50:02.479
provided I mean

02:50:03.799 --> 02:50:06.280
the publishing of the eye appointment on

02:50:06.360 --> 02:50:08.040
September newspaper

02:50:08.120 --> 02:50:09.639
that mean that Council officers would

02:50:09.719 --> 02:50:11.280
have the answer to that question mark

02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:13.079
that I think it

02:50:13.159 --> 02:50:15.600
issue that I might be wrong I mean not

02:50:15.680 --> 02:50:17.520
much

02:50:17.600 --> 02:50:19.959
of a three minute anyway I can answer

02:50:20.040 --> 02:50:21.159
that question

02:50:21.239 --> 02:50:25.200
and counselors can support me with this

02:50:25.280 --> 02:50:27.760
when the personal interest returns are

02:50:27.840 --> 02:50:29.319
set out to council as a nominated

02:50:29.399 --> 02:50:31.600
officers there is a guidance sheet

02:50:31.680 --> 02:50:33.200
that's attached to it that has been

02:50:33.280 --> 02:50:34.840
produced

02:50:34.920 --> 02:50:36.799
I believe from memory from local

02:50:36.879 --> 02:50:40.079
government Victoria or from

02:50:40.159 --> 02:50:43.079
a another individual at another Council

02:50:43.159 --> 02:50:45.520
which the inspectorable local government

02:50:45.600 --> 02:50:48.159
Victoria has adopted that accompanies

02:50:48.239 --> 02:50:50.360
the personal interest return that is

02:50:50.440 --> 02:50:52.239
sent to both councilors and Council

02:50:52.319 --> 02:50:54.760
officers

02:50:56.799 --> 02:50:58.799
um

02:51:00.360 --> 02:51:02.719
question

02:51:04.520 --> 02:51:06.639
just like to speak briefly

02:51:06.719 --> 02:51:08.079
um I realized this is a really difficult

02:51:08.159 --> 02:51:09.879
issue we've heard from some of the

02:51:09.959 --> 02:51:12.799
questions here about how complex it is I

02:51:12.879 --> 02:51:16.079
agree with Anthony that

02:51:16.159 --> 02:51:17.520
um you know I don't think we've been

02:51:17.600 --> 02:51:20.440
able to justify that this is urgent it

02:51:20.520 --> 02:51:22.600
might be because for the next returns

02:51:22.680 --> 02:51:26.200
are not due to March

02:51:26.280 --> 02:51:29.639
um so I do agree we need to get this

02:51:29.719 --> 02:51:31.479
um understood to understand if there are

02:51:31.559 --> 02:51:34.360
issues people are getting their returns

02:51:34.440 --> 02:51:37.959
right and I agree with uh Council

02:51:38.040 --> 02:51:40.280
um said that it's very important that we

02:51:40.360 --> 02:51:41.719
do know this and that we can be

02:51:41.799 --> 02:51:43.239
reassured that we're all doing the right

02:51:43.319 --> 02:51:45.760
thing and how we fill out our returns

02:51:45.840 --> 02:51:46.879
um it sounds like the ones that are

02:51:46.959 --> 02:51:48.520
going to get published from September or

02:51:48.600 --> 02:51:50.360
from September and it's before the LGI

02:51:50.440 --> 02:51:51.879
release this newsletter

02:51:51.959 --> 02:51:54.879
so what is on here is on there

02:51:54.959 --> 02:51:58.479
um I do know that the LGI newsletter

02:51:58.559 --> 02:51:59.040
um

02:51:59.120 --> 02:52:02.120
did um note that I had warned counselors

02:52:02.200 --> 02:52:04.680
about putting this

02:52:04.760 --> 02:52:08.559
uh statement on their returns and that

02:52:08.639 --> 02:52:10.079
there were factors that meant that if

02:52:10.159 --> 02:52:12.520
they did not pursue Elizabeth Bridge of

02:52:12.600 --> 02:52:14.200
Local Government Act

02:52:14.280 --> 02:52:16.360
not that it wasn't approach

02:52:16.440 --> 02:52:18.399
and so I think it's really important for

02:52:18.479 --> 02:52:20.280
transparency and accountability that we

02:52:20.360 --> 02:52:23.120
do uh review this further we do make

02:52:23.200 --> 02:52:24.520
sure that we're on doing the right thing

02:52:24.600 --> 02:52:27.120
and as such I I do agree with the mayor

02:52:27.200 --> 02:52:29.040
fair but we should be follow-up on this

02:52:29.120 --> 02:52:32.200
but that isn't at this time urgent

02:52:32.280 --> 02:52:35.559
uh I think that um it's a very um

02:52:35.639 --> 02:52:37.440
challenging situation when these things

02:52:37.520 --> 02:52:39.479
occur but um

02:52:39.559 --> 02:52:42.000
you know we do very much talk and try to

02:52:42.079 --> 02:52:43.200
connect to the highest standards of

02:52:43.280 --> 02:52:44.920
accountability and transparency but it's

02:52:45.000 --> 02:52:46.360
also important that these processes are

02:52:46.440 --> 02:52:50.440
really fair and I also think that

02:52:50.520 --> 02:52:53.639
um an item that um

02:52:53.719 --> 02:52:55.479
you know is urgent and to understand why

02:52:55.559 --> 02:52:57.520
the council is on Council or lowering

02:52:57.600 --> 02:52:59.280
the council so I have moved it as urgent

02:52:59.360 --> 02:53:01.280
I think that's a good faith because

02:53:01.360 --> 02:53:04.000
Faith are very concerned about this

02:53:04.079 --> 02:53:06.799
but I think that because we do have time

02:53:06.879 --> 02:53:08.639
until the next ones are due that we need

02:53:08.719 --> 02:53:10.559
to have a really

02:53:10.639 --> 02:53:13.000
um you've got more time to consider this

02:53:13.079 --> 02:53:14.639
and how to approach it and to make sure

02:53:14.719 --> 02:53:16.959
it's very fair and that everyone has

02:53:17.040 --> 02:53:18.799
supported um

02:53:18.879 --> 02:53:22.840
you know a fair process of this I would

02:53:22.920 --> 02:53:24.680
hope that if someone has made a mistake

02:53:24.760 --> 02:53:27.680
on it in terms of they will clarify that

02:53:27.760 --> 02:53:30.159
as to the best of their abilities

02:53:30.239 --> 02:53:32.079
um they may have privacy issues around

02:53:32.159 --> 02:53:34.479
parts of that but at least consider

02:53:34.559 --> 02:53:36.600
their own situation and disclosure to

02:53:36.680 --> 02:53:38.639
public where they can and where they

02:53:38.719 --> 02:53:40.360
feel it is safe to do so because I think

02:53:40.440 --> 02:53:42.959
that's very important too but in the end

02:53:43.040 --> 02:53:45.680
uh you know the LGI has made a

02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:47.120
determination on

02:53:47.200 --> 02:53:49.280
whatever was referred to the newsletter

02:53:49.360 --> 02:53:51.200
and be everybody but does that

02:53:51.280 --> 02:53:52.559
determination

02:53:52.639 --> 02:53:55.120
and um you know it's it's something that

02:53:55.200 --> 02:53:57.520
isn't that a little bit of GI there so

02:53:57.600 --> 02:53:59.639
we need to take a I think more General

02:53:59.719 --> 02:54:01.840
approach and look at going forward and

02:54:01.920 --> 02:54:03.479
making sure the proper

02:54:03.559 --> 02:54:04.959
that we're all properly doing the right

02:54:05.040 --> 02:54:07.959
thing with our returns in the future

02:54:08.040 --> 02:54:09.760
okay thank you Council Morgan are there

02:54:09.840 --> 02:54:12.000
any other speakers

02:54:12.079 --> 02:54:12.799
um

02:54:12.879 --> 02:54:14.799
the returns are about that were

02:54:14.879 --> 02:54:16.559
submitted in September that are about to

02:54:16.639 --> 02:54:19.000
be published in December can they be

02:54:19.079 --> 02:54:21.799
amended if if say are provided or

02:54:21.879 --> 02:54:23.680
someone's put on theirs provided to the

02:54:23.760 --> 02:54:25.479
CEO and turns out that that's incorrect

02:54:25.559 --> 02:54:28.239
so David oh sorry Mrs Thompson is unsure

02:54:28.319 --> 02:54:30.000
whether they can be amended at this

02:54:30.079 --> 02:54:32.559
stage but we'll receive that answer and

02:54:32.639 --> 02:54:34.360
circulate that to all the councils this

02:54:34.440 --> 02:54:36.120
week Mrs Thompson

02:54:36.200 --> 02:54:38.040
three enemies

02:54:38.120 --> 02:54:40.000
my assumption would be they cannot be

02:54:40.079 --> 02:54:41.680
changed after they have been submitted

02:54:41.760 --> 02:54:44.079
but

02:54:44.360 --> 02:54:46.120
Council Scott thanks

02:54:46.200 --> 02:54:49.120
um man so under the governance rules

02:54:49.200 --> 02:54:51.520
an urgent emotion must relate to a

02:54:51.600 --> 02:54:54.399
matter uh that has arisen since the

02:54:54.479 --> 02:54:58.680
distribution of the agenda and cannot

02:54:58.760 --> 02:55:00.680
safely or conveniently be deferred until

02:55:00.760 --> 02:55:02.319
the next meeting

02:55:02.399 --> 02:55:05.159
so this matter is not a residency

02:55:05.239 --> 02:55:08.879
District foreign

02:55:11.760 --> 02:55:15.040
foreign newsletter from the LG I was 7

02:55:15.120 --> 02:55:18.159
on the 24th of November and Council Lou

02:55:18.239 --> 02:55:19.959
asked questions to council officers at

02:55:20.040 --> 02:55:21.760
the 28th of November meeting should I

02:55:21.840 --> 02:55:24.040
wasn't out and

02:55:24.120 --> 02:55:25.680
Council has had an opportunity to bring

02:55:25.760 --> 02:55:29.520
a notice of motion to this meeting but

02:55:29.600 --> 02:55:31.200
it either didn't make a cut off or

02:55:31.280 --> 02:55:32.719
didn't receive the three signatures

02:55:32.799 --> 02:55:34.719
required

02:55:34.799 --> 02:55:35.520
um

02:55:35.600 --> 02:55:38.159
and an urgent motion shouldn't be used

02:55:38.239 --> 02:55:40.239
as a way to bypass the most emotion

02:55:40.319 --> 02:55:42.399
process

02:55:42.479 --> 02:55:44.559
so that's why I don't think this

02:55:44.639 --> 02:55:46.760
issue apart from what's already been

02:55:46.840 --> 02:55:49.760
raised sits within what an emergent

02:55:49.840 --> 02:55:52.600
motion is

02:55:52.680 --> 02:55:55.280
um I also think that it's not urgent

02:55:55.360 --> 02:55:59.280
because the project looked at 4 600

02:55:59.360 --> 02:56:01.479
returns and half

02:56:01.559 --> 02:56:04.719
of the 650 councilors had failed to

02:56:04.799 --> 02:56:06.399
submit accurate records of their first

02:56:06.479 --> 02:56:09.600
interest so to say that it has a

02:56:09.680 --> 02:56:12.520
negative impact on this Council alone

02:56:12.600 --> 02:56:13.840
I don't know

02:56:13.920 --> 02:56:16.239
that that actually stands we know that

02:56:16.319 --> 02:56:18.120
two out of every five councilors have

02:56:18.200 --> 02:56:21.120
failed to disclose interests in one or

02:56:21.200 --> 02:56:23.079
more of their returns or fail to submit

02:56:23.159 --> 02:56:25.440
a return at all

02:56:25.520 --> 02:56:28.600
across all of Victoria

02:56:28.680 --> 02:56:29.440
um

02:56:29.520 --> 02:56:31.200
the LGI is recognize that more work

02:56:31.280 --> 02:56:33.239
needs to be done in this area and has

02:56:33.319 --> 02:56:35.200
started to do things around providing

02:56:35.280 --> 02:56:37.840
guidance and education to counselors so

02:56:37.920 --> 02:56:40.120
this stuff already underway

02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:41.600
um

02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:43.760
yeah so it's really it's a problem

02:56:43.840 --> 02:56:45.680
across the whole sector and we shouldn't

02:56:45.760 --> 02:56:48.360
be out identifying this Justice it

02:56:48.440 --> 02:56:51.239
that's still swollen to when the ogi

02:56:51.319 --> 02:56:54.159
really started taking steps to rectify

02:56:54.239 --> 02:56:57.959
the situation thank you Council Scott

02:56:58.040 --> 02:56:59.200
um

02:56:59.280 --> 02:57:01.559
there are a lot of speakers to the

02:57:01.639 --> 02:57:02.920
Martian

02:57:03.000 --> 02:57:05.719
we're back with Council move if you

02:57:05.799 --> 02:57:08.680
would like to sum up

02:57:09.600 --> 02:57:12.239
um thank you Neville I can't believe it

02:57:12.319 --> 02:57:15.319
is

02:57:16.559 --> 02:57:17.520
um

02:57:17.600 --> 02:57:19.040
trying to

02:57:19.120 --> 02:57:21.600
properly complete this exposure which is

02:57:21.680 --> 02:57:23.920
not considered an urgent item

02:57:24.000 --> 02:57:25.440
it would be very surprised if I haven't

02:57:25.520 --> 02:57:27.760
been about at least

02:57:27.840 --> 02:57:30.399
being held

02:57:30.479 --> 02:57:35.079
Health uh because this is

02:57:36.360 --> 02:57:38.680
the government need their certain

02:57:38.760 --> 02:57:41.040
obligations under the app we

02:57:41.120 --> 02:57:43.479
know

02:57:43.840 --> 02:57:46.600
your full recall to try and not disclose

02:57:46.680 --> 02:57:48.799
those interests this is a really really

02:57:48.879 --> 02:57:50.280
serious issue

02:57:50.360 --> 02:57:53.200
for reason is laws are created after you

02:57:53.280 --> 02:57:54.719
have proper

02:57:54.799 --> 02:57:57.399
governance proper accountability and

02:57:57.479 --> 02:58:00.959
make sure that we know what financial

02:58:01.040 --> 02:58:03.159
interest particular counselors have so

02:58:03.239 --> 02:58:04.840
that the public will address so the

02:58:04.920 --> 02:58:06.520
public knows

02:58:06.600 --> 02:58:08.120
um

02:58:08.200 --> 02:58:10.200
knows are what people's personal

02:58:10.280 --> 02:58:12.000
interests are we can analyze how they

02:58:12.079 --> 02:58:14.200
write in that respect

02:58:14.280 --> 02:58:15.520
um

02:58:15.600 --> 02:58:18.680
I'm flabbergasted what is happening here

02:58:18.760 --> 02:58:20.399
um is that councilors are putting their

02:58:20.479 --> 02:58:22.200
personal relationship with their fellow

02:58:22.280 --> 02:58:25.479
counselors open and embarked in the need

02:58:25.559 --> 02:58:27.360
to official reputation of the city is

02:58:27.440 --> 02:58:31.079
starting to we do have a government's uh

02:58:31.159 --> 02:58:32.639
issue we're constantly talking about

02:58:32.719 --> 02:58:35.159
improving governments improving Japan's

02:58:35.239 --> 02:58:37.760
experiences yet here we are we have the

02:58:37.840 --> 02:58:40.200
opportunity not one of us is saying that

02:58:40.280 --> 02:58:42.680
these counselors be in question have

02:58:42.760 --> 02:58:44.200
told us why they've reached the local

02:58:44.280 --> 02:58:46.319
government privately or capitalize and

02:58:46.399 --> 02:58:48.159
said oh look I read the newsletter I

02:58:48.239 --> 02:58:50.159
Bridge The Local Government Act here's

02:58:50.239 --> 02:58:52.600
why and not virus has that at our

02:58:52.680 --> 02:58:54.520
condition all we know is that there's

02:58:54.600 --> 02:58:56.559
been a branch none of them no one has

02:58:56.639 --> 02:58:58.000
come to us and try to explain the

02:58:58.079 --> 02:58:59.680
British now it's given us the reasonable

02:58:59.760 --> 02:59:01.600
explanation as to why they're keeping

02:59:01.680 --> 02:59:03.360
quiet at the bridge now it's given us a

02:59:03.440 --> 02:59:05.200
reasonable explanation as to why they're

02:59:05.280 --> 02:59:07.360
trying to cover up the bridge or cover

02:59:07.440 --> 02:59:10.760
up why or cover up the cover of product

02:59:10.840 --> 02:59:12.639
which is why they didn't despise their

02:59:12.719 --> 02:59:15.239
personal interest in the first place and

02:59:15.319 --> 02:59:17.200
here we are as counselors saying oh look

02:59:17.280 --> 02:59:20.639
it's not urgent they're my mate well

02:59:20.719 --> 02:59:22.559
she's been really nice to me as she

02:59:22.639 --> 02:59:24.600
comes along with me to eventually she

02:59:24.680 --> 02:59:26.520
takes pictures with me she's my

02:59:26.600 --> 02:59:29.879
reasoning okay

02:59:35.280 --> 02:59:37.280
um

02:59:44.479 --> 02:59:46.879
councilor Scott has called a point of

02:59:46.959 --> 02:59:47.799
order

02:59:47.879 --> 02:59:49.719
Council Scott can you state the nature

02:59:49.799 --> 02:59:51.799
of that please well I could probably

02:59:51.879 --> 02:59:54.239
choose many but I'll choose one

02:59:54.319 --> 02:59:57.840
53.1.7 uh council is being offensive

02:59:57.920 --> 03:00:01.319
he's um it's not hard to work against

03:00:01.399 --> 03:00:03.239
making suggestions that are

03:00:03.319 --> 03:00:06.600
inappropriate and totally against our

03:00:06.680 --> 03:00:09.360
code conduct Council Lou I do find that

03:00:09.440 --> 03:00:11.280
that is a valid point of order but you

03:00:11.360 --> 03:00:13.719
are also out of time anyway and I cannot

03:00:13.799 --> 03:00:16.000
Grant extensions for summing up so we

03:00:16.079 --> 03:00:18.040
will leave it there and we'll proceed to

03:00:18.120 --> 03:00:20.079
the vote on whether to admit this as

03:00:20.159 --> 03:00:22.840
urgent business I hope I'm clear all

03:00:22.920 --> 03:00:24.959
those in favor of admitting this item as

03:00:25.040 --> 03:00:27.399
urgent business

03:00:29.479 --> 03:00:32.840
you're not voting Council

03:00:33.559 --> 03:00:38.280
business all those against

03:00:38.360 --> 03:00:40.680
that motion is lost so that it is not

03:00:40.760 --> 03:00:43.239
considered to be urgent business so we

03:00:43.319 --> 03:00:45.040
bring counselor Healey and councilor

03:00:45.120 --> 03:00:46.840
better go back up to the room it's good

03:00:46.920 --> 03:00:48.319
to have good mates

03:00:48.399 --> 03:00:49.920
[Applause]

03:00:50.000 --> 03:00:53.280
you're behaving disorderly please stick

03:00:53.360 --> 03:00:56.479
to the meeting procedure

03:00:58.559 --> 03:01:01.639
[Applause]

03:01:05.719 --> 03:01:08.959
I think

03:01:19.719 --> 03:01:20.319
[Applause]

03:01:20.399 --> 03:01:23.639
[Music]

03:01:23.879 --> 03:01:25.959
[Applause]

03:01:26.040 --> 03:01:28.680
so counselors we move to other General

03:01:28.760 --> 03:01:30.639
business is there other General business

03:01:30.719 --> 03:01:33.280
to raise this evening councilor Griffin

03:01:33.360 --> 03:01:35.440
um thank you Mary as as we all know

03:01:35.520 --> 03:01:38.719
Council love has resigned from Council

03:01:38.799 --> 03:01:40.959
so I just wanted to say a few words

03:01:41.040 --> 03:01:43.799
about him but

03:01:44.280 --> 03:01:47.079
um okay I'm gonna have to do a bit of

03:01:47.159 --> 03:01:50.159
tweaking of those words Council Lou

03:01:50.239 --> 03:01:52.000
uh but I do want to say a few things

03:01:52.079 --> 03:01:54.520
about you because you've been on Council

03:01:54.600 --> 03:01:57.239
for nearly two years now and you brought

03:01:57.319 --> 03:01:59.280
a level of scrutiny to this Council that

03:01:59.360 --> 03:02:00.760
demonstrated that you took your

03:02:00.840 --> 03:02:02.799
responsibilities as a counselor

03:02:02.879 --> 03:02:04.239
seriously

03:02:04.319 --> 03:02:06.520
it did not win you the popularity award

03:02:06.600 --> 03:02:08.319
in this chamber but at one new respect

03:02:08.399 --> 03:02:09.760
in our community

03:02:09.840 --> 03:02:11.840
as a public prosecutor you see through

03:02:11.920 --> 03:02:13.719
Spin and you have a great sense of

03:02:13.799 --> 03:02:15.760
natural Justice

03:02:15.840 --> 03:02:19.000
and on a personal note you stood by me

03:02:19.079 --> 03:02:21.360
at a time when some counselors tried to

03:02:21.440 --> 03:02:23.559
discredit me with an appalling motion

03:02:23.639 --> 03:02:26.399
you also knocked on doors with me to

03:02:26.479 --> 03:02:28.680
confirm that email sent to this chamber

03:02:28.760 --> 03:02:31.120
targeting me did not come from those

03:02:31.200 --> 03:02:33.600
fake addresses but from within and

03:02:33.680 --> 03:02:36.120
around this chamber as they stopped when

03:02:36.200 --> 03:02:38.040
I'd informed councilors that I would

03:02:38.120 --> 03:02:40.079
take them at it to the media lawyers and

03:02:40.159 --> 03:02:42.479
police the local government inspector

03:02:42.559 --> 03:02:45.399
has since investigated those emails and

03:02:45.479 --> 03:02:47.680
confirmed that so thank you for that

03:02:47.760 --> 03:02:49.559
support at a very difficult time for me

03:02:49.639 --> 03:02:52.239
because of your integrity and frankness

03:02:52.319 --> 03:02:55.120
you were targeted with arbitrations from

03:02:55.200 --> 03:02:56.719
councilors that must have been very

03:02:56.799 --> 03:02:59.680
stressful for you and your young family

03:02:59.760 --> 03:03:02.520
you have a great career ahead of you you

03:03:02.600 --> 03:03:04.760
can be extraordinarily annoying at times

03:03:04.840 --> 03:03:07.120
I think we've seen a bit of that tonight

03:03:07.200 --> 03:03:09.760
but I know that your moral courage will

03:03:09.840 --> 03:03:11.920
always make you stand Head and Shoulders

03:03:12.000 --> 03:03:14.559
above others we were fortunate to have

03:03:14.639 --> 03:03:17.399
you here and in a group think we'll wear

03:03:17.479 --> 03:03:19.600
diversity of opinion is not tolerated

03:03:19.680 --> 03:03:22.600
your individual courage is a lesson for

03:03:22.680 --> 03:03:23.520
us all

03:03:23.600 --> 03:03:26.040
I wish you well

03:03:26.120 --> 03:03:29.040
Council Lou I saw your hands next

03:03:29.120 --> 03:03:31.840
oh look I just wanted to let people know

03:03:31.920 --> 03:03:33.120
that this is

03:03:33.200 --> 03:03:39.280
our counselors previously and my times

03:03:40.399 --> 03:03:41.280
oh

03:03:41.360 --> 03:03:42.799
um the narrow election

03:03:42.879 --> 03:03:44.440
as well

03:03:44.520 --> 03:03:49.239
um from a personal perspective

03:03:49.639 --> 03:03:51.639
um

03:03:52.399 --> 03:03:57.879
is simply that my house has become too

03:03:57.959 --> 03:04:02.559
small for my young family and I'm really

03:04:02.639 --> 03:04:05.399
excited that it might be a good time to

03:04:05.479 --> 03:04:08.399
look at moving on and that will mean

03:04:08.479 --> 03:04:12.319
that it's very awkward

03:04:17.639 --> 03:04:18.879
now

03:04:18.959 --> 03:04:21.239
I probably could have stayed on but I'm

03:04:21.319 --> 03:04:24.639
not the view that um

03:04:25.319 --> 03:04:27.360
to tell you what they represent and

03:04:27.440 --> 03:04:30.360
leaving now rather than following them

03:04:30.440 --> 03:04:34.239
after uh I'm doing that I'm really gonna

03:04:34.319 --> 03:04:37.159
have somebody yeah

03:04:37.239 --> 03:04:40.440
[Music]

03:04:42.680 --> 03:04:44.680
I feel like achieved like families

03:04:44.760 --> 03:04:46.360
Council for the community and it's

03:04:46.440 --> 03:04:48.639
trying to send us a chance and give that

03:04:48.719 --> 03:04:50.520
person the opportunity to confess the

03:04:50.600 --> 03:04:51.159
next

03:04:51.239 --> 03:04:53.719
local government actually as a sign from

03:04:53.799 --> 03:04:54.680
Council

03:04:54.760 --> 03:04:56.440
I really want to thank all of the

03:04:56.520 --> 03:04:58.559
residents and white pages exposure for

03:04:58.639 --> 03:05:00.239
all of the support that they've shown me

03:05:00.319 --> 03:05:03.399
Council

03:05:03.479 --> 03:05:06.959
um and I wish the council was here

03:05:07.040 --> 03:05:08.280
because probably the only people

03:05:08.360 --> 03:05:10.719
listening to this now

03:05:10.799 --> 03:05:13.360
decisions

03:05:16.159 --> 03:05:18.680
General business

03:05:18.760 --> 03:05:20.559
thank you Matt

03:05:20.639 --> 03:05:22.000
um given the matter that was raised and

03:05:22.079 --> 03:05:24.479
debated publicly earlier by my fellow

03:05:24.559 --> 03:05:25.840
councilors while I was outside of the

03:05:25.920 --> 03:05:28.559
room I do want to say a few words on

03:05:28.639 --> 03:05:30.799
personal interest returns and the Urgent

03:05:30.879 --> 03:05:33.639
motion that was distributed at 8 39 this

03:05:33.719 --> 03:05:34.639
evening

03:05:34.719 --> 03:05:37.440
firstly I want to state that I have

03:05:37.520 --> 03:05:39.239
always disclosed information from

03:05:39.319 --> 03:05:41.079
retaining my personal interest returns

03:05:41.159 --> 03:05:43.479
to the CEO and I have never knowingly

03:05:43.559 --> 03:05:45.600
nor intentionally tried to hide any

03:05:45.680 --> 03:05:47.079
information regarding my personal

03:05:47.159 --> 03:05:48.239
interests

03:05:48.319 --> 03:05:51.639
51 of councilors in Victoria did not

03:05:51.719 --> 03:05:53.200
complete their form in accordance with

03:05:53.280 --> 03:05:54.959
the legislative requirements according

03:05:55.040 --> 03:05:56.680
to a report that was released only one

03:05:56.760 --> 03:05:59.280
year ago this is a sector-wide issue

03:05:59.360 --> 03:06:02.079
it's acknowledgment inspector themselves

03:06:02.159 --> 03:06:04.000
and importantly the inspectorate

03:06:04.079 --> 03:06:06.239
identified a lack of guidance on how to

03:06:06.319 --> 03:06:08.040
complete the returns as recently as six

03:06:08.120 --> 03:06:10.120
months ago with some fact sheets

03:06:10.200 --> 03:06:11.280
released

03:06:11.360 --> 03:06:13.239
so what do we actually know well there

03:06:13.319 --> 03:06:15.159
was a spring newsletter that included an

03:06:15.239 --> 03:06:16.719
article about two councilors who've been

03:06:16.799 --> 03:06:18.399
formally warned it didn't say which

03:06:18.479 --> 03:06:20.399
Council they came from it didn't provide

03:06:20.479 --> 03:06:23.520
any identifying data the inspectorate as

03:06:23.600 --> 03:06:26.040
the appropriate body investigative issue

03:06:26.120 --> 03:06:28.280
fully and chose appropriate action

03:06:28.360 --> 03:06:30.360
non-compliance was addressed and a

03:06:30.440 --> 03:06:32.319
warning was issued to my knowledge

03:06:32.399 --> 03:06:34.319
Stonington has not received

03:06:34.399 --> 03:06:36.680
correspondence inspected on this matter

03:06:36.760 --> 03:06:39.520
to table at Council nor to take any

03:06:39.600 --> 03:06:40.959
action

03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:43.559
the motion that I saw emailed at 8 39 pm

03:06:43.639 --> 03:06:45.159
tonight notes that councilor healers and

03:06:45.239 --> 03:06:46.959
medical have written provided to the CEO

03:06:47.040 --> 03:06:49.239
on their personal interest return I'm

03:06:49.319 --> 03:06:50.559
not even sure how this statement can

03:06:50.639 --> 03:06:52.079
even be made as what is publicly

03:06:52.159 --> 03:06:54.360
available is a summary creation by the

03:06:54.440 --> 03:06:56.799
CEO personal interests returns

03:06:56.879 --> 03:06:59.159
themselves are only accessible to a

03:06:59.239 --> 03:07:00.879
small number of council offices in a

03:07:00.959 --> 03:07:02.520
considered private and confidential

03:07:02.600 --> 03:07:04.760
councils can however request that

03:07:04.840 --> 03:07:06.879
specific matters being excluded from the

03:07:06.959 --> 03:07:09.120
summary if they believe the disclosure

03:07:09.200 --> 03:07:11.079
could place their own personal safety or

03:07:11.159 --> 03:07:13.079
another at risk this is something that

03:07:13.159 --> 03:07:15.520
we should be championing a council

03:07:15.600 --> 03:07:17.680
what for me is disappointing is that my

03:07:17.760 --> 03:07:19.319
accounts fellow councils chose to jump

03:07:19.399 --> 03:07:21.280
to conclusions and try to publicly

03:07:21.360 --> 03:07:22.959
humiliate their peers and colleagues

03:07:23.040 --> 03:07:24.360
under urgent business

03:07:24.440 --> 03:07:26.520
I have nothing to hide and I've always

03:07:26.600 --> 03:07:28.680
been open and transparent should my

03:07:28.760 --> 03:07:30.399
fellow counselors choose to pursue this

03:07:30.479 --> 03:07:32.280
using the appropriate mechanisms with

03:07:32.360 --> 03:07:34.680
their concerns I will participate fully

03:07:34.760 --> 03:07:36.680
the appropriate mechanism is not in the

03:07:36.760 --> 03:07:38.639
council chamber but by lodging a

03:07:38.719 --> 03:07:39.879
complaint with the local government

03:07:39.959 --> 03:07:41.280
inspectors

03:07:41.360 --> 03:07:42.959
we are privilege to be elected to

03:07:43.040 --> 03:07:45.239
represent our community if counselors

03:07:45.319 --> 03:07:46.879
want to waste time within fighting then

03:07:46.959 --> 03:07:48.799
that's their decision if counselors want

03:07:48.879 --> 03:07:50.680
to interrogate this then perhaps they

03:07:50.760 --> 03:07:52.200
should join the inspector instead of

03:07:52.280 --> 03:07:54.239
being on Council But please understand

03:07:54.319 --> 03:07:56.040
the impact that this has on our ability

03:07:56.120 --> 03:07:58.479
to be effective to fill all those duties

03:07:58.559 --> 03:08:01.000
of our role not to mention the culture

03:08:01.079 --> 03:08:02.079
of council

03:08:02.159 --> 03:08:04.079
because I got I'll provide you with an

03:08:04.159 --> 03:08:06.000
additional 2 minutes that's why I need

03:08:06.079 --> 03:08:07.760
two seconds I've always made a pledge

03:08:07.840 --> 03:08:09.000
that I will work with each and every

03:08:09.079 --> 03:08:11.200
counselor regardless of personal opinion

03:08:11.280 --> 03:08:13.360
or whether you like me or not and I will

03:08:13.440 --> 03:08:15.000
continue to do so for the remainder of

03:08:15.079 --> 03:08:16.319
my term

03:08:16.399 --> 03:08:18.600
thank you but anyway counselor Healey

03:08:18.680 --> 03:08:20.079
thank you

03:08:20.159 --> 03:08:21.600
um also in response to the matter that

03:08:21.680 --> 03:08:24.040
was discussed in Urgent business

03:08:24.120 --> 03:08:24.680
um

03:08:24.760 --> 03:08:27.799
what happened with that but

03:08:27.879 --> 03:08:29.680
um I'd like to also reiterate that the

03:08:29.760 --> 03:08:31.319
summary provided on the website is not

03:08:31.399 --> 03:08:32.840
the same as a return submitted by

03:08:32.920 --> 03:08:34.559
counselors and that any counselor can

03:08:34.639 --> 03:08:36.280
request the details of their summary be

03:08:36.360 --> 03:08:38.399
excluded if they have concerns about

03:08:38.479 --> 03:08:39.959
their safety or the safety of another

03:08:40.040 --> 03:08:41.840
person

03:08:41.920 --> 03:08:43.440
um local Council better obviously I've

03:08:43.520 --> 03:08:45.639
not knowingly or intentionally withheld

03:08:45.719 --> 03:08:47.680
information from CEO and or government's

03:08:47.760 --> 03:08:49.959
team but requested for information to be

03:08:50.040 --> 03:08:51.520
excluded from the summary which is

03:08:51.600 --> 03:08:54.360
allowed and noted on the summary form I

03:08:54.440 --> 03:08:56.159
also raise an assort confirmation from

03:08:56.239 --> 03:08:58.319
the CEO multiple times to ensure that I

03:08:58.399 --> 03:09:00.159
completed my disclosures correctly and

03:09:00.239 --> 03:09:02.680
that no other information was required I

03:09:02.760 --> 03:09:04.479
also note that we now have a new acting

03:09:04.559 --> 03:09:07.559
CEO and a new governance team

03:09:07.639 --> 03:09:09.120
earlier this year I became very

03:09:09.200 --> 03:09:11.159
concerned that my prior full disclosure

03:09:11.239 --> 03:09:12.959
of a trust name directly led to the

03:09:13.040 --> 03:09:15.000
harassment of my family I therefore

03:09:15.079 --> 03:09:17.280
asked the co to exclude details from the

03:09:17.360 --> 03:09:18.760
summary to try and prevent further

03:09:18.840 --> 03:09:21.280
harassment I believe materiality is

03:09:21.360 --> 03:09:22.840
important here I'm talking about a New

03:09:22.920 --> 03:09:25.479
Zealand trust that has no assets in

03:09:25.559 --> 03:09:27.959
Australia and the full 30 years of his

03:09:28.040 --> 03:09:29.680
existence I've never received a

03:09:29.760 --> 03:09:31.760
distribution from it it just happens

03:09:31.840 --> 03:09:34.079
that when a family members of mine

03:09:34.159 --> 03:09:36.040
created that trust all those years ago

03:09:36.120 --> 03:09:39.159
they didn't think wow should we come up

03:09:39.239 --> 03:09:41.079
with a more generic trust name just in

03:09:41.159 --> 03:09:42.879
case our kid decides to go into local

03:09:42.959 --> 03:09:45.479
governments in Australia 30 years on and

03:09:45.559 --> 03:09:47.920
people do decide to Target us because

03:09:48.000 --> 03:09:50.040
they don't like her

03:09:50.120 --> 03:09:52.200
I also note that I've heard anecdotally

03:09:52.280 --> 03:09:54.159
that a majority of the councils around

03:09:54.239 --> 03:09:55.879
this table have needed to take measures

03:09:55.959 --> 03:09:58.120
a range of measures in relation to

03:09:58.200 --> 03:10:00.280
genuine concerns that they've had about

03:10:00.360 --> 03:10:02.719
the safety of their safety and at times

03:10:02.799 --> 03:10:04.319
of safety of their families as a result

03:10:04.399 --> 03:10:06.360
of their role as counselor so they're

03:10:06.440 --> 03:10:08.159
concern about protecting family from

03:10:08.239 --> 03:10:10.840
harassment is real it's genuine and it's

03:10:10.920 --> 03:10:12.879
repeated and it's a fear that is a

03:10:12.959 --> 03:10:15.040
reality experience by many councilors in

03:10:15.120 --> 03:10:17.520
Stonington and elsewhere and it's why

03:10:17.600 --> 03:10:20.079
there is a provision on the form to ask

03:10:20.159 --> 03:10:22.600
that the CEO exclude details if you have

03:10:22.680 --> 03:10:24.120
any concerns

03:10:24.200 --> 03:10:26.319
I put myself forward to being elected

03:10:26.399 --> 03:10:28.760
counselor and therefore the public life

03:10:28.840 --> 03:10:31.319
that that sometimes involves but my

03:10:31.399 --> 03:10:33.680
family did not and I always blew out the

03:10:33.760 --> 03:10:35.680
faces of my children on any photos I use

03:10:35.760 --> 03:10:38.440
on social media Etc and de-identify them

03:10:38.520 --> 03:10:40.440
as much as possible I don't tell people

03:10:40.520 --> 03:10:42.680
where I live I help loved ones change

03:10:42.760 --> 03:10:44.440
their social media settings to increase

03:10:44.520 --> 03:10:46.760
their privacy and protections and I take

03:10:46.840 --> 03:10:48.799
measures to protect and insulate my

03:10:48.879 --> 03:10:51.120
family from what I found to be at times

03:10:51.200 --> 03:10:54.799
a very toxic environment of council and

03:10:54.879 --> 03:10:57.479
I'll continue to do so I ask therefore

03:10:57.559 --> 03:10:59.280
if any counselor here would be happy to

03:10:59.360 --> 03:11:01.360
expose their family to harassment as a

03:11:01.440 --> 03:11:03.520
result of their role as a counselor and

03:11:03.600 --> 03:11:05.440
to ask what level of harassment of a

03:11:05.520 --> 03:11:07.719
family member is considered acceptable

03:11:07.799 --> 03:11:09.959
because I do not think that there's any

03:11:10.040 --> 03:11:12.280
acceptable level of harassment of a

03:11:12.360 --> 03:11:14.840
council's family

03:11:14.920 --> 03:11:16.840
with any other councils like to make a

03:11:16.920 --> 03:11:19.799
statement on the general business

03:11:20.559 --> 03:11:23.719
uh Alex uh sorry Council we have already

03:11:23.799 --> 03:11:25.719
spoken councilors only get one going

03:11:25.799 --> 03:11:28.719
under General business

03:11:30.840 --> 03:11:35.079
we get two minutes each it's one go

03:11:35.159 --> 03:11:36.600
um so councilors

03:11:36.680 --> 03:11:39.360
I like to dress a couple of things so um

03:11:39.440 --> 03:11:40.959
one is that I'll acknowledge that

03:11:41.040 --> 03:11:42.280
Council Luke has announced his

03:11:42.360 --> 03:11:43.879
resignation today I think I've got

03:11:43.959 --> 03:11:46.440
people from the 31st of December

03:11:46.520 --> 03:11:47.799
um Council Lou good luck with your

03:11:47.879 --> 03:11:49.559
future endeavors and with the move of

03:11:49.639 --> 03:11:51.280
your family

03:11:51.360 --> 03:11:52.000
um

03:11:52.079 --> 03:11:54.680
I hope that there are lots of lessons

03:11:54.760 --> 03:11:56.280
and experiences that have come out of

03:11:56.360 --> 03:11:58.719
this to these two ideas for you it has

03:11:58.799 --> 03:12:01.319
been quite challenging to work with you

03:12:01.399 --> 03:12:02.719
um along the way through I think I've

03:12:02.799 --> 03:12:04.440
done my best to guide you and counsel

03:12:04.520 --> 03:12:06.239
you and make it very clear that you can

03:12:06.319 --> 03:12:08.559
absolutely have any opinion you want but

03:12:08.639 --> 03:12:10.319
it's really about how you express it and

03:12:10.399 --> 03:12:13.079
about a population of the person

03:12:13.159 --> 03:12:15.479
um and I think maybe that hasn't quite

03:12:15.559 --> 03:12:16.959
been adhere to but it's the whole way

03:12:17.040 --> 03:12:19.319
through but I really do hope you take

03:12:19.399 --> 03:12:21.639
those learnings into any any of your

03:12:21.719 --> 03:12:24.040
future endeavors I know you excel in

03:12:24.120 --> 03:12:25.760
your career I am sure that but that

03:12:25.840 --> 03:12:27.479
won't change

03:12:27.559 --> 03:12:28.120
um

03:12:28.200 --> 03:12:29.840
it would be an interesting time for

03:12:29.920 --> 03:12:31.200
Esports

03:12:31.280 --> 03:12:32.719
um if you don't know who would be

03:12:32.799 --> 03:12:34.680
successful on a count back so that

03:12:34.760 --> 03:12:37.239
remains to be seen but there's no doubt

03:12:37.319 --> 03:12:39.239
that you do represent a portion of the

03:12:39.319 --> 03:12:40.680
Stonington and the Eastwood Community

03:12:40.760 --> 03:12:43.760
who I'm sure will feel disappointed to

03:12:43.840 --> 03:12:45.760
hear the news that they haven't already

03:12:45.840 --> 03:12:46.879
heard it

03:12:46.959 --> 03:12:48.879
um after this evening so thank you

03:12:48.959 --> 03:12:50.559
Council Luke and the other matter I'll

03:12:50.639 --> 03:12:52.559
quickly raise is carols at Central Park

03:12:52.639 --> 03:12:54.959
took place yesterday it was our first in

03:12:55.040 --> 03:12:59.040
person in I think since 2019 Miss Harrod

03:12:59.120 --> 03:13:01.879
that is extremely exciting and important

03:13:01.959 --> 03:13:03.799
I would say surely we've had over a

03:13:03.879 --> 03:13:06.239
thousand people there despite the fact

03:13:06.319 --> 03:13:08.559
that it runs the entire time and it did

03:13:08.639 --> 03:13:09.879
not stop

03:13:09.959 --> 03:13:11.840
um I stayed for my family for about half

03:13:11.920 --> 03:13:13.959
of it until like 30 and then my 18 month

03:13:14.040 --> 03:13:16.959
old nephew arching cracked it and

03:13:17.040 --> 03:13:19.120
couldn't couldn't stay any longer but he

03:13:19.200 --> 03:13:20.799
had an absolute ball and there was face

03:13:20.879 --> 03:13:22.959
painting the Stonington toy Library had

03:13:23.040 --> 03:13:25.200
a pop-up there there were food trucks

03:13:25.280 --> 03:13:27.799
reusing your own plates and Cutlery was

03:13:27.879 --> 03:13:29.840
really strongly encouraged and lots of

03:13:29.920 --> 03:13:31.559
people have their rights and their

03:13:31.639 --> 03:13:33.399
setups with their really big umbrellas

03:13:33.479 --> 03:13:35.159
and hung them down and watched what was

03:13:35.239 --> 03:13:37.239
truly an amazing show

03:13:37.319 --> 03:13:38.719
um just very very unlucky with the

03:13:38.799 --> 03:13:41.280
weather so my fingers across that Como

03:13:41.360 --> 03:13:43.559
Park this Sunday is dry and anyone that

03:13:43.639 --> 03:13:45.239
wasn't able to make it yesterday please

03:13:45.319 --> 03:13:47.559
get down to cry my Park and enjoy our

03:13:47.639 --> 03:13:49.479
incredible Christmas carols I definitely

03:13:49.559 --> 03:13:52.200
think we do one of the best in Melbourne

03:13:52.280 --> 03:13:54.239
no doubt and I'd like to just shout out

03:13:54.319 --> 03:13:56.319
the events here's something about the

03:13:56.399 --> 03:13:58.360
name please I'd like to shout out the

03:13:58.440 --> 03:14:00.360
events team who was so enthusiastic

03:14:00.440 --> 03:14:03.040
yesterday to really be back into it and

03:14:03.120 --> 03:14:05.399
the rain didn't end their Spirits at all

03:14:05.479 --> 03:14:07.559
and Council Scott if I can control the

03:14:07.639 --> 03:14:10.200
rain I absolutely will fingers

03:14:10.280 --> 03:14:12.479
absolutely cross the Sunday thank you

03:14:12.559 --> 03:14:15.280
counselors I'd just like to make a brief

03:14:15.360 --> 03:14:16.680
statement I've kind of thought about it

03:14:16.760 --> 03:14:17.840
here

03:14:17.920 --> 03:14:20.319
um and I'll keep it very brief I just

03:14:20.399 --> 03:14:22.600
wanted to acknowledge that uh councilman

03:14:22.680 --> 03:14:25.559
has decided to resign from Council wish

03:14:25.639 --> 03:14:27.879
him all the best uh

03:14:27.959 --> 03:14:31.000
with his future away from Stonington as

03:14:31.079 --> 03:14:32.920
it sounds like he's he's moving out of

03:14:33.000 --> 03:14:34.479
the area and I just wanted to note that

03:14:34.559 --> 03:14:36.399
I'm sure everyone's aware that Council

03:14:36.479 --> 03:14:39.680
and I really rarely agree on issues at

03:14:39.760 --> 03:14:41.079
Council we have very different political

03:14:41.159 --> 03:14:43.239
perspectives but I wanted to uh

03:14:43.319 --> 03:14:45.399
acknowledge the great work he did in

03:14:45.479 --> 03:14:48.479
advocating for um parents and children

03:14:48.559 --> 03:14:52.239
affected by the potential 7th Street

03:14:52.319 --> 03:14:54.520
kindergarten Photoshop and all the work

03:14:54.600 --> 03:14:55.840
he did

03:14:55.920 --> 03:14:58.319
um and you know the parents themselves

03:14:58.399 --> 03:14:59.799
and obviously Council offices and

03:14:59.879 --> 03:15:01.079
everybody didn't decide in that

03:15:01.159 --> 03:15:02.879
kindergarten that um

03:15:02.959 --> 03:15:07.200
uh you know real credit how he went

03:15:07.280 --> 03:15:09.000
through the diligently and behind the

03:15:09.079 --> 03:15:10.959
scenes as well and not just what he

03:15:11.040 --> 03:15:14.920
originally posted to uh advocate for all

03:15:15.000 --> 03:15:17.559
those parents and their children

03:15:17.639 --> 03:15:20.399
thank you Council Morgan counselors that

03:15:20.479 --> 03:15:22.079
there are no other comments on the

03:15:22.159 --> 03:15:23.719
general business we will keep moving we

03:15:23.799 --> 03:15:25.360
do have an item under confidential

03:15:25.440 --> 03:15:27.959
business this evening so I will seek a

03:15:28.040 --> 03:15:29.719
resolution to move into confidential to

03:15:29.799 --> 03:15:31.079
deal with that item moved by Council

03:15:31.159 --> 03:15:33.959
version seconded by councilor Scott any

03:15:34.040 --> 03:15:35.639
discussion on moving into confidential

03:15:35.719 --> 03:15:37.120
business

03:15:37.200 --> 03:15:39.399
okay once we have dealt with that

03:15:39.479 --> 03:15:41.040
um we will start the live stream again

03:15:41.120 --> 03:15:43.239
do a resolution to move out and at that

03:15:43.319 --> 03:15:44.680
point I will officially close the

03:15:44.760 --> 03:15:46.440
meeting so

03:15:46.520 --> 03:15:47.799
um I'll take the vote to move into

03:15:47.879 --> 03:15:50.680
confidential business all those in favor

03:15:50.760 --> 03:15:53.200
over again so that's carried unanimously

03:15:53.280 --> 03:15:54.879
thank you councilors we'll turn the live

03:15:54.959 --> 03:15:57.399
stream off

03:15:58.520 --> 03:16:01.079
okay thank you can I take a motion to

03:16:01.159 --> 03:16:02.680
move back out of confidential business

03:16:02.760 --> 03:16:04.479
move by councilman from the second year

03:16:04.559 --> 03:16:06.680
by Council of Scott any discussion on

03:16:06.760 --> 03:16:08.840
coming out okay let's proceed to the

03:16:08.920 --> 03:16:11.319
vote all those in favor

03:16:11.399 --> 03:16:13.559
that's Carriage safety councilor so

03:16:13.639 --> 03:16:15.040
we're back in an open meeting that

03:16:15.120 --> 03:16:17.040
brings us to the end of our agenda for

03:16:17.120 --> 03:16:19.000
this evening I officially close the

03:16:19.079 --> 03:16:21.799
meeting at 10 35 PM it is our final

03:16:21.879 --> 03:16:25.760
meeting for 2022 I'd like to thank the

03:16:25.840 --> 03:16:27.360
members of the gallery that attended in

03:16:27.440 --> 03:16:28.840
person tonight was probably our biggest

03:16:28.920 --> 03:16:30.879
attendance of the Year anyone that

03:16:30.959 --> 03:16:32.680
watched online and anyone can engage

03:16:32.760 --> 03:16:34.079
with any of our diabetes at all

03:16:34.159 --> 03:16:35.719
throughout the year it has been a huge

03:16:35.799 --> 03:16:38.280
2022 and I think we're all looking

03:16:38.360 --> 03:16:40.000
forward to a bit of a break and we'll

03:16:40.079 --> 03:16:42.280
come back after Australia Day nice and

03:16:42.360 --> 03:16:44.159
fresh and I'd like to wish all the

03:16:44.239 --> 03:16:45.399
councilors and everyone out in the

03:16:45.479 --> 03:16:47.319
community on Merry Christmas and a Happy

03:16:47.399 --> 03:16:52.879
New Year and we'll see you in 2023 okay