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okay excellent thank you and sorry about

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that so we were at confirmation of the

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minutes were there any other issues or

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comments in relation to Boris not sent

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to the vote all those in favour of

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adopting those carried unanimously thank

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you are there any disclosures for

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conflicts of interest tonight Councilor Koce

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 thanks Mayor I've got a general

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conflict of interest with respect to Coonil Crescent

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item 8.1 the proposed discontinuance and

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sale of Coonil Crescent Malvern public

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solutions

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state the nature of that conflict and

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then we will ask you to leave the room

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for that item thank you any others

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we don't have any questions from the

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community this evening so that takes us

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to our general business with 8.1

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proposed discontinuates and sale present

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more than public submissions so Council

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?  ? state the nature of your

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background please I've got a general

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conflict of interest to start up at

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abundance of caution I'll excuse myself

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on this item

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um in my career I work for a peak body

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for private health insurers so um there

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could be a potential conflict there

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thank you we'll call you back when this

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matter is finished

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?

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?

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counselors we have six members of the

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community joining us tonight to speak in

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support of their written submission

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regarding this item just a reminder for

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all those attending and listening as

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well that we're not making a decision on

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this tonight we are just hearing public

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submissions we will be hearing from Mr

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Maurice Harahan and Mrs Claire Hunter

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Mr David Power and Mrs Julianne Power

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speaker number three was asked to remain

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unnamed

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Mr Rob McDougall Mrs Amanda McDougall

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and Mark Norton and Sue Norton would be

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representing Cabrini so counselors

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each person will present to the council

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and they will be visible and audible to

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all councilors Council offices and the

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public watching us live over the

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Internet to the submitters please be

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assured that your written submissions

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have been read by all of us so please

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keep your submission brief you will have

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three minutes to speak at the two and a

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half mark you will hear a bell

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indicating that you have 30 seconds to

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go

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please feel free to draw to the

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attention off the council the key issues

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that you really like to highlight we are

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here to listen to your submissions but

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we will not be debating the matter we

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will determine this at a future council

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meeting and the date has not been set

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submitters at the end of your submission

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counselors may ask you a question or

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questions of clarification related to

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your submission okay so I now qualify

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our first submitters Mr Maurice Harahan

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and Mrs Claire Harahan

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we're going to have you uh at the

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official table

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just so that our microphones can pick

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everything up as well

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?

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thank you thank you

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um just by way of background Cabrini Gandell Wing

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concern over the street parking

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I represented the residences at a VCat

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hearing on the street parking so I'm

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conscious of a moving goal along

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uh

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that issue was resolved reasonably

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satisfactory by changing all day park

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with two hour parking by Eastern permits

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and it has gone reasonably well

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however uh

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those options have been used up the

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permits of things issued none are in

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practice that notices

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street parking is being changed you

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can't change it again

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what I just wish to emphasize that if

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this proposed on that we don't really

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know whether these departments hitch if

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this proposal involves more traffic

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part of anything that Cabrini does must

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build

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the taking care of the traffic

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on their premises with no additional

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cars going out parking on the streets

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we've been through a door where you had

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to be up at 6 30 to get a park on the

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ground because if you wanted you lost ?

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different employees for the day

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so um

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um some of the issues

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put forward by

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Cabrini in the last hearing were a

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formula for deciding

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with additional beds how many extra cars

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generate traffic by additional beds we

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oppose the method come arriving at that

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there was also

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you know that kind of car number and

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they said oh yes but 70 people are going

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to ride bikes which is a myth which we

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laughed at and it didn't be true but

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nevertheless there was less underground

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parking provided

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there were other issues but I guess what

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we're saying is

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the other issue of course was the

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consultancy rooms

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the placement of how many

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extra car traffic relates to

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consultancy rooms a good six Consultants

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you know so many

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people put ? so I guess just in

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summary whatever proposal

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Cabrini intending to do with this

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roadway building and not against the

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side of the road it simply is if it

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generates 10 more cars to bring you up

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to five Department space for generates

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50 more cars Cabrini has to find

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a place to park them other than pushing

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it out on the street where they were

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before it's been satisfactory resolved

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your submission was clear thank you so

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much

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and we'll now call on Mr David Power and

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Mrs Julianne Power

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is it Julianne  yes thank you thank

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you for joining us thank you

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um I'm considering that this album

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conclusion but

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um I would like to say that traffic

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doesn't use that little bit of Coonil

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Crescent anyway at this stage but what

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we are concerned about is some sort of

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pedestrian easement to come through

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there

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so that we've got access to go through

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to High Street

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Cabrini or Art Museum

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through Cabrini all the

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services are already marked out on the

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street

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Preparatory to being relocated so

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I'm not feeling that there is any chance

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that this is not going to go through but

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we would be quite Keen to have a

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permanent easement for pedestrians

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clarify you may produce room access to

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Waffle free Road access from Waffle Tree

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Road

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even though traffic is not going through

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there but yes great thank you that's the

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question for Council officers to

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remember with regard to the markings on

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the road was that to do an assessment of

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what

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so Council Scott would have to ask that

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later on it's just questions for the

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civilians thank you thank you so much

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thank you

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do we have Mr Rob McDougall here

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thanks man thanks councilors

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um I think I should first disclose that

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um I'm a visiting medical officer at

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Cabrini

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um it's written in the in the agenda

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that I'm not supportive of

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the development on

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I'm not unsupportive of development like

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Cabrini of the site because I think

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Cabrini is an important part of our

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community

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what I am not supportive of is the sale

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of 2 000 square meters of public land

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because once it's sold it's gone forever

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now one thousand square meters of that

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is very busy road uses access to Cabrini

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so that's not going to change and that's

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important for Cabrini the other thousand

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square meters with uh between the 18 and

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19 meter Frontage onto Daryl Avenue and

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Colonel Crescent is effectively open

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space now there is a single line access

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there to the two properties in Colonel

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Crescent but there's quite a bit of

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green open space there and starting to

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in green open space and I think Council

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needs to carefully consider whether they

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want to give up between open space

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because once it goes off into private

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hands you never get it back and that's

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all I've got to say thank you any

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questions

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Mrs Amanda McDougall

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um I would just like to say that I think

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if even if kabrina the council is

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prepared to sell the land to Cabrini it

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is vital to maintain ownership of the

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right-of-way through the walking Tree

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Road and some space as a buffer between

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Daryl Avenue and the hospital buildings

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and owned by the castle

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we know that Anything Can Happen down

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the track and that land if it is owned

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by Cabrini could be built over and it's

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you know not in perpetuity that we can

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have all this access and the buffer

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Cabrini have over the years

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uh talked about maintaining uh within

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the Island the island that is abutted by

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Waffle Tree in Isabella and Colonel

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Crescent

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um now they have bought the properties

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outside of that Island it's only I feel

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a matter of time that they're able to

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creep around and continue to expand

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throughout the neighborhood if the

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walkway was kept through a lamb swap

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obviously

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through that easement next to Daryl

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Avenue and along the front that cabrin

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have conceded nine meters in the plan

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obviously it would be nice to have more

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than that but if that was actually owned

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by Council and in you know some sort of

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land swap it would make an enormous

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difference and give the neighborhood

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some sort of comfort that that sort of

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was a creation of a new island that

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couldn't be uh

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built through you know broken through

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you know what I mean yeah

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thanks thank you any questions

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excellent thank you and our final

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exhibitions from Mark Norton and Sue

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wood for the applicants

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oh my

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God

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for some smart colleges counselors

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no there's been a slight change to the

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voting order I'm Tyrone from planning

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and property Partners tarantee why

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r-o-n-e graph r-a-t-h

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there was a change advised to Mr cook

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and the property team on Friday I

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apologize it hasn't been conveyed

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through it but it's okay you are here

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for three yes

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Williams not so wood who's still behind

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me on my left

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my apologies

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um thank you for your time tonight

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um it's cabrini's submission that the

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central questions for counselors in

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determining this application is where

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the crude oil Crescent is reasonably

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required by the general public for use

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as a road

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and when you have a look at the report

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that officers have helpfully prepared in

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the agenda and what we say is it becomes

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very apparent that most of the

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submissions and in relation to the

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proposed discontinuance relate to the

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loss of green space and right to the

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merits of the proposed Redevelopment

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it's a separate application before the

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municipal plan

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and what we say is when you direct

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yourselves to the question is Kernel

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present reasonably required by the

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general public views as a road

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the answer to that discrete question is

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clearly not

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the road hasn't been used as a road by

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members of the general public for well

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over 20 years now

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the officers report notes that it was

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closed in the 90s and that closures

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continued until today

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and we're not debating the fact that

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it's used for through access

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we're not debating the fact that there

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is a proposal before the minister which

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has brought a lot of

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commit concern from the community what

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we're saying is the the task for your

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counselors at this point in time is it

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to determine that question alone

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if I can take you then to the agenda

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that's been before the officers report

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which is attachment 8.15 at page 34 of

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your report

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um what it says in respect to the road

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which is the officer response and I

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quote the road is not used by the public

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for vehicular access other than for

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access to Cabrini Hospital and the other

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adjoining properties owned by Cabrini

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Hospital that's the point number one

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the second Point officers raise is they

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say the concerns raised regarding the

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impact on traffic congestion and parking

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arising from Cabrini hospitals

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Redevelopment our planning-based

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submissions more appropriately to be

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considered by the municipal planning and

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considering to Bringing hospitals

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planning application

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and that deals with the planning side of

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it if you turn over Leaf at page 35 and

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of your agenda from the second box from

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the bottom at submission number three it

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states very clearly Kunal present is a

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road on title and is not classified or

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reserved public open space

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now we say councilors that those two

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comments that have been raised by

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officers directly respond to the

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submissions that have been raised by the

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community so it's our position that on

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the basis the road has been closed for

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many years and no longer provides

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through access the choice to discontinue

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the road is a very clear one for you

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Bank of Tyrone our counselor counselors

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are there any questions Council said

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Tyrone

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residents are asking for some Surety as

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to where the island expansion is going

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to stop heard it yourself

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um would there be consideration to

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selling part of the land rather than the

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whole lot to provide that little Charity

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to Residents The Proposal currently

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involves a full discontinuance and

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effectively switches through pedestrian

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access

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approximately 19 meters to the east

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that's number one number two is there's

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no current proposal to remove the

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traffic lights that are located on

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wattle Tree Road

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so and what we're suggesting is that the

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proposal already provides what we would

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consider to be equivalent access

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no less convenient access through a

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Daryl Avenue from model Truro and know

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less convenient access to where the

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lights are

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near 19 meters if it was being shifted

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say further down towards demonstrate on

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saying residents can go all right around

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we wouldn't have that answer for you

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so and it's our submission that the full

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discontinuance of that area

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acceptable on the basis that the access

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being provided on the Eastern flank of

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the proposed Redevelopment is more or

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less equivalent to what's being provided

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at the moment so why can't that suit the

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be left in the ownership of council to

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you that surety of residence it's

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certainly something that could bring

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will be open to in further discussions

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with Council it is something not the

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wave of roads but it is something that

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officers have raised in the agenda that

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the 173 could be entered into I don't

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have instructions in respect to the 173

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but our client is certainly open to

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discussing the potential future

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management of that area with Council on

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an ongoing basis well ideally Council

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like to continue that ownership to give

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Surety to Residents and include

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potentially look at a buffer that would

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be great

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so council could consider could consider

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um the section for pedestrian access be

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considered to remain in the ownership of

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council rather than for and council

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could consider that maybe the buffer is

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increased a bit more than nine meters

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that's the question other young

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questions

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no thank you

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our final speaker is Speaker number

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three

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hello good evening Aaron councilors

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thanks for the opportunity to speak

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I'm here to voice my objection you have

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my submission and I just want to make a

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couple of points so I'm very pleased to

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hear that you're not intending to make a

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decision tonight and I think given that

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the planning Minister has now referred

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this to the priority project specialist

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advisory committee that your decision

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should be held over until that is

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actually heard because these two issues

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are so intrinsically linked but it's

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impossible I think to decide one before

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the other is known and as we know and as

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we've heard the master plan that's been

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proposed by the hospital is someone big

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and uncertain

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and uh it would be better to seek

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Clarity around that

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secondly I think it's critical that the

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council takes responsibility for owning

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public open space

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and I think given that the hospital in

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frequent Community consultations at

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least the two that have occurred since

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the 11 12 months prior to that have

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mentioned giving the community the nine

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meters of land on the Eastern flank the

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council should accept that gift take

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that land keep it in public ownership

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keep it to preserve the walkway keep it

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to preserve the buffer but the island

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that hospital has sat within for many

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many years is preserved but we move the

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island

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slightly Eastward and in that way we

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maintain that continuity between

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monetary Road and High Street Road the

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residence cherish and use as you will

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have seen from many of the solutions

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so my submission is please defer your

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decision until the minister has reached

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her conclusion and secondly negotiate

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please with the hospital to preserve the

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land in public hands

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and to preserve the residential amenity

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and the historical amenity of the

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criminal estate

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thank you are there any questions

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thank you very much

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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just confirmed at the gallery that we

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didn't miss anybody that is my whole

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list

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hey excellent

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um so

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just getting back to our papers

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counselors we do have a recommendation

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to consider the submissions

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notes that we have just heard them

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um and it just says to determine that we

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will determine a future council meeting

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is there a river Council set and a

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second for that Council of that goal

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Council said would you like to speak to

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this nothing to admit tonight I was just

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hearing from the submitters really

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important that we hear from them it's

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part of due process but it also gives us

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another perspective hearing it directly

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from those affected and and for

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representatives of rainy also so it's

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still a long way to go but I can say as

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a software Council I'm certainly far

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more informed after hearing the

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submissions this evening thank you

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Council would you like to speak just to

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say thank you everyone for giving up

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your time and your Nash and coming to

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actually speak to us we do read these um

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when you read them they don't quite have

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the same meaning and emotion and value

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from whichever side you come from

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um so thank you for taking the time

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really clear capsules

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I just wanted to ask my question again

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if I make sure you're mad the line

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markings on the road and I need to give

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off um just some exploratory work done

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by

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our services

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likely to be the case it's usually

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undertaken either a part of a picture

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survey they're exploring uh

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thank you

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speakers

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um thank you may look I just want to say

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that to submitted it's much clearer to

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me really what's what you're looking for

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and I really appreciate the effort

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you've gone through to be here tonight

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explain as a counselor to have people

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sitting here and particularly hear your

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point of view about something that's

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really important to you so thank you

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thank you counselors

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[Applause]

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all those in favour

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that's carried unanimously thank you

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counselors and thank you to those that

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attended if you're not obliged to

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sacrific meetings

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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[Music]

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thank you

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welcome back Council of course

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we are moving to 8.2 business support

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and activation Grant policy

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is there a group for this island

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councils

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I'm delighted to endorse this policy it

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sets out the governance and

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administration framework so that we can

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provide some grants to businesses and

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have some applications it's a result of

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some consultation that was done in

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November of endorsed sorry November 9

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2022 to understand what businesses would

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actually like from Stonington and that

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has turned into what we have now as

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policy it's also aligned for the recent

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report from SGS economics which

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explained the collective benefits of

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collaborating collaboration between

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businesses and Council so as part of

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this we'll have 150 000 made available

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for this financial year with grants of

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up to twenty five thousand dollars

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there's two types of Grants but in this

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particular Financial year we'll just be

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offering the place activation grants

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it's expected that in the future we will

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also have some business support grants

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subject obviously to budget

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considerations this is off the back of a

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successful trial

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um sponsored by the state government in

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2223 which really allowed our precincts

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to trial some new and exciting Concepts

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to attract visitors some of these

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included Malden on Ice which has had

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some repeat success as well attracting

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over a 1500 skaters over four days and

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also raising money for the toy Library

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Seoul of capital Chapel which was a

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street art gallery which was a showcased

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40 local businesses when that was done

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the Moray Street Markets The touric

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Village fate and light up South nowra so

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so we've had some some good activations

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that we've seen and this allows an

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opportunity to trial some new creative

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Innovative activations in collaboration

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with precincts

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I think one of the things that's really

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lovely about this um ground

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opportunities that allow us for

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businesses and areas outside of where

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we've got a special rights team

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potentially happening outside of where

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there's business associations and some

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of their smaller areas can apply for the

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grants to look at really interesting

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ways of bringing visitation economic

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activity and really helping to grow that

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local economy so I'm thinking of the

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Avenue could be like an area that might

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may decide to ask to do sorts of Grants

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it could be that part that's behind High

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Street where the train station is where

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it was really cool and they closed off a

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little bit for the Melbourne fashion

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festival thing for a while so there's it

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allows I think more opportunities for

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for trialling and finding interesting

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ways of bringing excitement to other fun

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economic areas so I also look forward to

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the creativity that we may see that

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comes through when we we're seeing some

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of these graphs

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he says sorry just enjoy the discussion

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on this item

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thank you thank you Mary I really like

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the objective set out here strengthening

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our unique identities and vibrancy

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increasing visitation and awareness

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stimulating economic growth and business

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opportunities creating places that are

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safe and inclusive and celebrate

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diversity promote sustainable practices

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encourage part of place I think really

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councilors healing and better goal have

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summed it all up but you know we've

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never had a time really where activity

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centers have needed more assistance

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we've come through the extended covert

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lockdowns The increased cost of goods

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due to the increased cost of energy and

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supply shortages and apparent shortage

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of Labor the growth of online sales

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which is you know benefit online sales

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during covert but of course has affected

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our activity centers and of course we've

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got the High Cost of Living impacting

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consumer confidence and spending so I

00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:33.839
think the timing of this is really

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fantastic I think you've covered most of

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.880
those issues that I would address thank

00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.119
you

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councilor Scott just very quickly thank

00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.440
you mate it's really good to see that

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.960
the program timelines are from the 1st

00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:50.440
of December uh

00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:55.000
hopeful that some of the grants kick off

00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.720
the end of year Christmas and other

00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.759
festivals that are happening at the time

00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.039
of year to really capture the tourist

00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.319
spot thanks

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[Applause]

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I won't say much in the sum up except

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that assuming this goes through

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it's it's open for individuals

00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.680
individual businesses groups of

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:21.279
businesses not-for-profit organizations

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.880
and Incorporated associations and

00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.359
there'll be a one month period between

00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:26.680
the 1st of September and the 1st of

00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.039
October get those submissions in and

00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.279
let's get some really exciting stuff

00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.640
happening absolutely all right thanks to

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.640
the boat all those in favour

00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.079
8.3 General local law applications

00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.079
amendments this is to go out for

00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.000
Community consultation is there a room

00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.880
for this item

00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.400
recommendation here I do know that

00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.559
there's only 49 people who are involved

00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.119
in the previous consultation and I have

00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.440
some certain concerns over over this in

00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.400
the proposed consultation the motion

00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.079
does not specify how we will consult

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.079
with an estimated 90 000 adults from the

00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:16.359
ABS recommends you really do need to

00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.240
need any sample response of around 100

00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.519
or two and a half thousand to get a

00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.759
meaningful data accuracy

00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.319
they're a good local Law changes here

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.359
and some great examples in these for

00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.640
coaches including the great footpath

00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.519
training guidelines

00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.799
what I'm concerned about is that we

00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:36.519
struggle to get meaningful engagement

00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.519
here the item affects every resident in

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.799
Stonington

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.160
why are we not getting engagement are we

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:45.759
putting this online and hoping people

00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.079
will engage

00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.960
I support the recommended changes

00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:50.680
overall but I struggle to support this

00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.319
community engagement process people need

00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.759
to have their say and I don't think

00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.759
we're doing enough to facilitate this so

00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:59.880
I will support this motion with an

00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:02.960
amendment and what I'm proposing is that

00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.319
Council will commit to contacting each

00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.319
resident email address held in our

00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.799
system to flag the changes to the local

00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:13.240
laws throughout the September period all

00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.039
emails will be advised of the key

00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.519
changes and invite them to give their

00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.160
feedback by reading the proposed changes

00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:21.799
and rating them in the survey between

00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.720
4th of September and 8th of October 23.

00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.079
I believe we must work hard as a drive

00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.400
engagement rather than simply putting

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.279
things online I do have some concerns

00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.440
about the potentially confusing nature

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:36.880
of assignment or some of the changes

00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.039
such as residents being permitted to

00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.279
plant within guidelines on a major strip

00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.400
at the same time should a resident

00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.559
change their mind to remove planting at

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:48.559
a later stage there is some lack of

00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.160
clarity where the council could find the

00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.960
same resin for removing a plan from the

00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.279
council owned asset so it's not very

00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.720
easy to read we need to ensure that

00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.079
these laws are easy to read and

00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.160
understand in Practical terms and that

00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.519
they do not have unintended consequences

00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.880
to our residents that are unreasonable

00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.319
I also believe the most important part

00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.079
of these local laws is that in the

00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.640
manner in which they enforce

00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.680
so that's all I've got to say thank you

00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.559
just before I asked

00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.559
um

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.359
I just want to ask Danielle vanilla a

00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.799
question around our capability to do

00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.880
that sort of consultation in terms of

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.200
data and all of that

00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.279
it's going to be a complete

00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.240
[Applause]

00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.920
I'm also speaking of you know people who

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.039
receive stockington news and all the

00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:12.519
other sort of I mean it has to be a

00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.920
substantial database and we have to get

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.319
better results than what we've been

00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:21.880
getting so Catholic do you have work

00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.200
but if it could be worded in a way that

00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.519
enables the officer to do the checks and

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.039
then do that if they can sure that would

00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.519
be helpful and that here are the CEO

00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:40.400
agreeing so yes probably thank you

00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.799
oh sorry one minute

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.519
here so Council will commit to

00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.880
contacting each resident email address

00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.799
held in our system to flag the changes

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.279
to local laws throughout the September

00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.400
period all emails will be advised of the

00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.440
key changes and invite to give their

00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.680
feedback by reading the proposed changes

00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:10.000
and rating them in a survey between 4th

00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.440
of September 23 to April October 23.

00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.000
so I can change that to um it's okay

00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:18.639
cancer treatment because at the end of

00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:22.280
the day offices are not able

00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.719
they'll let us know what's possible and

00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.000
we'll go up and change it on there send

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.800
it to

00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.559
completely

00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.760
Karma if you can I've got a printed

00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.320
version here

00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.000
um councilor said are you agreeable to

00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.280
that Edition I'm uncomfortable the

00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.440
wordings council will commit because if

00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.559
Council can't do that and I I would I

00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.559
would highly question our ability to do

00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.000
that because when counselors do receive

00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.119
email addresses it's for a purpose and

00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.480
if you haven't agreed to it because we

00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:06.159
haven't actively asked these people if

00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.400
they'll agree to it well I don't I don't

00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.320
want oblige Council to do something that

00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:11.679
there's a good chance we may not be able

00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.920
to do I'll put it back to calzone photo

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.199
can it be uh that's just a must explore

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.159
yes I mean if I will endeavor

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.760
I'm supportive of it but again I want

00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.000
Clarity it's subject to our ability

00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.400
um in line with our privacy Provisions

00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.320
as to whether we can do that absolutely

00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.840
so let's just keep the offices a moment

00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.280
to get back up

00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.800
and has a generator I'll take that and

00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.000
recycle to the item as you did a few

00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.320
minutes ago you've got one mistake again

00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.119
I'm guessing no no thank you

00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.239
um yeah I did speak to the director of

00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.320
planning a place prior

00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.079
okay so as that's going up we have heard

00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.199
it read out I will ask how to set if

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.199
you'd like to speak I do

00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:14.480
um so we're going to change that we'll

00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.119
commit to your main Endeavor Council

00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.239
will endeavor sorry David Moore sort

00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.840
that out okay

00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.840
no we don't need to

00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.079
um so thank you Matt

00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.599
firstly in response to councilor Jim

00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.159
Fredo's comments about Consulting better

00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.800
with our community that's true because

00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.840
local laws is they don't find out about

00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.880
them until they actually have an issue

00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:42.480
but I will say the changes to the local

00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.760
law encapsulate all the feedback from

00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:46.519
residents and residential complaints

00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:47.920
that have come up through the local law

00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.800
process where we haven't had a local law

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.719
to address those concerns or our local

00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.760
law has failed to address those concerns

00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.039
so I'm comfortable that based on

00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.920
practical outcomes for our residents

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.000
that need that can be changed in the

00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:03.760
local World they have been which is why

00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.760
we review them periodically

00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.400
secondly and we've had two perfect

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.199
examples of that is the request to call

00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.480
up crossovers to council is now form is

00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.400
encapsulated now but also in light of

00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.920
recent issues with projects and

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.440
operation sanding and so forth councils

00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.079
have the ability but we don't it's not

00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.840
the only Avenue for crossover because we

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:30.159
don't want to be

00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.559
dealing with crossovers at every council

00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.440
meeting there are better opportunities

00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.239
or more fair opportunities under natural

00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.039
Justice where the same officers who make

00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.519
the decision and now I'm not going to be

00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:44.920
in the offices reviewing the decision

00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.920
which was the fundamental issue we had

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.639
previously so we have the Avenue of

00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:50.119
having an independent officer within

00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.079
Council externally looking at it under

00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.079
the proposed local law or councils call

00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:57.480
you after Council the other issue is

00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.599
which I raised a briefing is building

00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.360
activity there is still concern about

00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:04.719
the wording in that because it doesn't

00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:06.760
do linear between commercial and

00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.559
residential so the officers are taking

00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.760
that on board and exploring that further

00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.079
and making sure that we don't disagree

00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.760
or have a position that's different to

00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:18.599
building noise which is governed by the

00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:20.760
EPA so that's still got a question mark

00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.280
but overall these revisions I'm very

00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.480
comfortable with and they certainly have

00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.320
gone a long way to address the concerns

00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:29.920
that we've seen come up since the last

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.400
time we did the local law and the issues

00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.599
that our community had been raising up

00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.719
on through our after hours lines and to

00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.760
our compliance officers today thank you

00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:41.679
Council sir I'll open it up are there

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.440
any other speakers to this councilor

00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.880
Coast just briefly um speaking on the

00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:47.880
local law two of the key issues that

00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:49.920
keep coming up to my attention from the

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.760
local community in areas of frustration

00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.480
tend to be one around noise particularly

00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:56.679
due to the inconsistency of the planning

00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.599
scheme and some premises being able to

00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.639
to stay open later than others in

00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.800
activity centers and the noise impact is

00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:04.480
quite significant but we're Limited in

00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.400
what we can do to address that through

00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.559
the local law and the other issue that

00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.599
continues to be a frustration is people

00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.719
not picking up after their dogs as well

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.639
that's just an ongoing frustration and

00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.400
if we could could maximize as much as

00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.800
possible the penalties for those who you

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.519
know don't pick up after the dogs I

00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.000
think you know the community would

00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.199
welcome that

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.320
that's all I've got to add thank you and

00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.480
we've got people wearing up there and

00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:37.079
any other speakers councilor Keely

00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.639
um I I don't know how to talk to the

00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.840
local laws part of it because I think it

00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:44.800
all makes sense the prices they're going

00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.760
through I just want to talk to the

00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.000
fourth Point that's added and ask them

00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.880
their splits of the boat because like

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.239
I'm uncomfortable with this I understand

00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.000
the idea of wanting to have more contact

00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:58.719
with residents and make sure we consult

00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.519
with them better totally agree with that

00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.280
I've just got concerns about the

00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:04.960
management of

00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.760
um the resource of of those emails as

00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.079
far as if we start randomly not not

00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.239
because it's random but if we start

00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.599
sending out emails about a local law

00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:16.719
thing and then something else and

00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.800
something else we're really going to

00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.480
damage the opportunity that we've got to

00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.960
holistically look at how we can consult

00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.440
better so I prefer if we took this this

00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.360
thinking on board I prefer if we thought

00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.920
about is there a calendar of how we

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:31.639
engage you can we engage in a more

00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.239
specific and strategic because if we're

00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.039
start seeing things like this out I'm

00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:37.599
concerned that our open rates will

00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.239
really start declining and the

00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:40.760
engagement that we'll get from from

00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.199
residence may start to the client so I

00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.440
don't disagree with the intent I just

00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.039
disagree with the idea of emailing every

00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:49.760
single resident for something where

00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.239
we've never engaged with them in that

00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:52.840
way where they might not want to go

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.360
through the future

00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.599
so it's it's more from that perspective

00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.320
so I've got issues with this thanks

00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.519
Council Gillian yes we can we can do one

00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.440
to three together and then item four and

00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:03.400
so

00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.159
um counselors oh thank you mayor look

00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.119
local laws are the things that impact

00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.840
most on our residents that's where we

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.199
have the most uh amount of frustration

00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.039
so it's really good that these local

00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.320
laws are being updated I don't have any

00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:20.599
particular issues with any of it the

00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:22.079
biggest issue I have we all have our

00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.480
issues in our areas is rubbish being

00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.960
left on nature strips uh this drives

00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.079
residents in my area nuts and it drives

00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:31.760
me nuts but that's that's a comment

00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.000
really on the residents themselves it is

00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.159
disappointing that only 49 people

00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.599
responded and you know one of the ways

00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.480
that we can get most interest from our

00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:42.960
residents and it sends to me that

00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.039
postcards in letterboxes I know it's

00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.440
probably expensive but that is the way

00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.199
we get most reaction

00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.800
um and most interests so it might be an

00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.480
area worth doing but I totally support

00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.480
the recommendation and I support this

00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.199
this is

00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.639
getting the email addresses thank you

00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.280
and councilor Scott thank you mayor I

00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:07.360
think it's important for us to remember

00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.480
that this was meant to be a light touch

00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.039
at the local rules I'm not digging deep

00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.039
here and we're just really looking at um

00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.079
some quick fixes I suppose you could say

00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:18.960
in terms of how we respond to some of

00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.360
the issues that have come up through uh

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.599
trying to implement the local laws

00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.800
in terms of the 49 people was it that

00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.079
have engaged it's local laws it's a free

00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.280
dry subject we're going to find not many

00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.239
people in our community understand it

00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.480
um and that's potentially why only 49

00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.159
people have engaged I too have some

00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.199
concerns about sending out a requests

00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.119
for feedback via email because I don't

00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:50.880
have anyone else but I get a lot of

00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.239
emails and I read the headline about it

00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.239
no it doesn't interest me and I just

00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.000
flick it I agree though that we do need

00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.360
to look at different ways to communicate

00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.920
and and through our community and I

00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.320
actually have open on my one of many

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.480
tabs a document that I downloaded from

00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.079
the International Association for public

00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.719
participation around Community influence

00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.000
in public decision making and it's a

00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.440
lengthy document that I'm going to have

00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.280
a really good solid readout because I

00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.280
think the future for Council is to

00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.800
engage is to find better ways to engage

00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.320
in public decision making and Community

00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.760
engagement and I think this is a tool

00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.039
that I'm really interested in

00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:31.960
understanding and I think it will

00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:33.880
potentially suggest more than just

00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.280
sending out the emails to people

00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.719
um so I'd be happy to see that expanded

00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.719
or maybe if I could answer the question

00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.679
through you man uh it's not identified

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.000
in this report what we are going to do

00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:49.840
to engage and I'm wondering if

00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.159
foreign

00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.519
[Applause]

00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.679
[Music]

00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.119
existed until I joined Council and I

00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:34.599
suspect that there's a lot of people out

00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.079
there that don't know that as well so I

00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.000
I knew that there were laws and I didn't

00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.159
realize it was a counseling thing

00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:41.800
um

00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.440
I know that I now know that but I

00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:45.719
suspect there's a lot of people in the

00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.880
community that actually have no idea and

00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:49.679
it's not until you actually test the

00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.079
local law and you find an issue that you

00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.840
realize it's not dealing with it in the

00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.239
way we had intended or or it's it's got

00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.920
a slightly different outcome so I agree

00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.280
with Council says some of these have

00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.079
actually come from community members

00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.360
testing asking questions so one example

00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.000
is the um the building construction on a

00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.679
pub it used to say construction on these

00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.000
set five public holidays rather than no

00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:12.840
construction on public holidays and we

00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:14.800
got an email from the resident on

00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.679
January 1st wondering why there was

00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.480
construction going on next door the

00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:19.760
local laws didn't actually include

00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:21.719
January 1st it included

00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.880
public holiday so it's not really really

00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.719
start testing you're dealing with the

00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:27.599
unknown we can ask hypothetical

00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:28.960
questions we can go out to the community

00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.840
but I think a lot of the community just

00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.119
won't necessarily understand what it is

00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:34.920
and why it's important so I think I'm

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.280
okay with going out for emails but I

00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.599
actually think it could almost be used

00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.079
as an opportunity to educate

00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.360
what local laws are why local laws are

00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:43.679
important and why people should even

00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.239
care about this rather than just being a

00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.239
General survey of here we go we've put

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.639
these changes in place over to you going

00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.440
through some examples and say a bit

00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:54.840
slightly Innovative in a slightly

00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:56.559
different way of how we communicate what

00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.119
is it that we had before what is it that

00:45:58.199 --> 00:45:59.880
we're proposing what do you think about

00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:01.920
that and breaking it down on some of the

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.599
key items and then there's more detail

00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.000
you know maybe we choose some of the top

00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:06.880
ones and if you actually want to really

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.039
dig deep you can but we can actually use

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.519
it as an opportunity to really educate

00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.719
the community as well thank you

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.159
councilor matagal and I'll just break

00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.679
this bit because everyone has spoken in

00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:18.280
catholicine Frito appreciate what you're

00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:19.360
trying to do we all want more

00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.280
consultation but I don't want to do this

00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.440
ad hoc the

00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.400
um all capability team or our team win

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.960
that part of our Council are doing a

00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.519
review on the way we consult and

00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.239
actually establishing almost levels of

00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:35.199
consultation so whatever the project is

00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.480
whatever the size it is okay it's going

00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:39.400
to be this sort of consultation and make

00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.119
it much more clear because it is just we

00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:43.840
do essentially just make it up depending

00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.360
on what it is that's happening at the

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:46.320
time

00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:47.880
um so and because this is a light touch

00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.400
review and councilor Scott said

00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.920
um I'm less concerned about this if it

00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.679
was a whole whole document I would

00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:57.000
certainly want to see a much higher

00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.880
level of Engagement but for me I want to

00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:01.320
see the work that the officers have done

00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.360
on the types of consultation which

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:04.679
you're doing moving forward and the

00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.719
levels and what budgets will be attached

00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.679
to those and that could incorporate

00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:11.000
using the databases in particular ways

00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.679
whether we go out a couple times a year

00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.199
only and say this is what's open Period

00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:17.800
comment at the moment I agree with

00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.320
Council clearly that you go out every

00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:21.760
now and then with these things and it

00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.239
might sort of lose its power so that's

00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:26.800
why I'm sitting at this stage but

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.519
supportive of the changes that have been

00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.519
made but Keen to give you up what the

00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:32.400
community says but also acknowledge

00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:34.320
there are some learning issues that we

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.119
can probably make sure we'll refine

00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.159
those after the consultation when we are

00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.480
through the final version all right

00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.400
Council

00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.320
all right

00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.400
so first um thank you officers if we can

00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.679
just jump back to the last three I

00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:58.760
always wanted to go perfect all those in

00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.079
favour of one to three carried

00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:02.400
unanimously

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.760
and we'll just jump back to item four

00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.159
and all those in favour I'm four

00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:09.239
all those against

00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.000
[Applause]

00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:13.719
that is lost counselors so one to three

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.840
is approved thank you

00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.639
and our last item of General business is

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.880
8.4 meet your Council program between 2

00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.159
20 23.

00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:30.199
[Applause]

00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.880
thank you Council today and is there a

00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:34.480
second into this account for Griffin

00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:36.519
thanks councilors there

00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.559
um thank you mayor

00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.840
um so the South boards uh

00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.079
media councilor was be one of the most

00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.239
successful ones I've been to uh

00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.400
councilor Scott and I got there to find

00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.199
that it had already started without us

00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.840
because so many people turned up in um

00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.719
in fact only six lists of registered

00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.039
turned up and

00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.880
um a great outcome very engaging a lot

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:08.880
of it was the Cabrini issue but

00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.800
nevertheless excellent turnout North

00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.320
Wards uh 74 just five behind Southward

00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.559
105 registered

00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.519
um Eastward we learned a good lesson out

00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.119
of that one that postcards do work in

00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.000
letting the community know uh so maybe

00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.239
we can try that for the local law and

00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:28.840
add a few other things on there and into

00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:30.239
midnight

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.400
so if certainly was

00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.000
um in fact it went the other way six

00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.360
registered 11 turned up so we got out

00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.280
there but look um feedback

00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.480
is if it's not too big and people can

00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.480
freely move around the tables it's a

00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.239
much better outcome than the traditional

00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.960
board meetings where we set up on all

00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.679
the table and got yelled at

00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.920
um and look endorsing changes going

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.760
forward officers are now looking at

00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.239
um and just maybe scheduling it at

00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:02.719
different times people coming in

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.079
rotating a lot better and running them a

00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:06.840
bit longer starting them a bit early for

00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.480
those with families and and essentially

00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.840
the issues that came up were ones that

00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.760
we typically hear from the community

00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.639
town playing Heritage trees parking

00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.039
animals waste the traditional issues

00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.719
that come up and we'll try to try and

00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:25.960
get on top of them so that's pretty much

00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.719
it for me thank you councilor Griffin

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.000
would you like to see uh thank you man

00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.519
look I think life points have been

00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.760
covered I did have the idea at the

00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.079
briefing that councilors will speak at

00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.239
these meetings as production I think

00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:41.679
that's important I know it hasn't been

00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.559
put in here it doesn't need to be we did

00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.159
it else yeah I I think that you know

00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.239
this is an opportunity for councilors to

00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.280
to speak to Residents residents do like

00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.599
to know who we are that's quite

00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.719
important to them but apart from that

00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.679
this is fine with me and I support the

00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.440
recommendations

00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.199
thank you mayor um Yep they're just

00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.480
following on from Council District

00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.360
councilor because this was a wonderful

00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.000
um series of events across all the

00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.360
council some huge successes some not so

00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.960
huge but lots of learnings from them

00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.360
um I think the award meeting that I went

00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.719
to for residents in the southern part of

00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.320
the LGA uh felt that the conversation

00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.079
was good and deep I questioned why we

00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:33.840
call it link your counselor when they're

00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.239
kind of engaging with the the broader

00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:37.679
Council team

00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.880
um but you know that that kind of feeds

00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:41.199
into my next point where there's lots of

00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.679
opportunities to continue to look at

00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.679
ways that we can uh hear from a variety

00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.400
of people and continually reflect on and

00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.480
challenge the way that we provide these

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.239
opportunities to engage with our

00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.880
community so we'll continue to question

00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.559
and look for best practice especially as

00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.440
we move towards single member Awards and

00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:02.960
you know what we're doing now is not

00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.159
going to be working for us this time in

00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.760
two years time so keep questioning and

00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.480
keep looking for better ways to engage

00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.719
with our people thank you

00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.639
any other speakers counselors

00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.519
councilor said would you like to sum up

00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.639
nothing to add me book receives the vote

00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:20.679
all those in favour how are even honestly

00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:24.119
thank you all right power improved I've

00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:25.519
known as correspondence is there

00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.000
anything to table tonight

00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.159
come for about a goal thank you man I

00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:31.960
just have one item that I've been asked

00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.840
to table with some questions regarding

00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.760
Windsor siding which haven't been

00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.480
responded to the the resident believes

00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.519
we're still chasing that but also some

00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:42.239
new questions related to win Society

00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.199
excellent

00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.159
are the correspondence other petitions

00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.880
or joint letters tonight Council and

00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.679
Sarah

00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.840
thank you may I've got three one is from

00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.119
residents of bride Street uh seven

00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.559
signatories from Bright Street which is

00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.000
in a very big street so it's probably

00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:03.360
all the residents uh just in relation to

00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.199
parking in Broad Street lack of parking

00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:06.719
availability for instance their guests

00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.639
in Broad Street

00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.480
limited so Liberty abuse order parking

00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.239
on one side of the street uh lots of car

00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:16.760
parking spaces due to the permanent

00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:19.079
parking with a large boat trailer heard

00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.400
that before it happens in the city on

00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:23.199
Broad Street with no visible permits

00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:24.760
there might be another issue we can look

00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:26.679
at and increased pressure on packaging

00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.480
expensive building project

00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.159
street so they requested the council

00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:33.960
look at non-restricted parking on the

00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.119
inside of bride Street combination of

00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:37.920
permanent parking and two-hour parking

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.239
and look at removing the boat trailer so

00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:42.400
I'll travel out of initialed each page

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.440
second is an ongoing issue for residents

00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.320
of rose and straight and clendon Road in

00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:51.760
Armadale for reasons I can't understand

00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:53.960
and neither can the residents and we've

00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.360
been trying to tackle this for over

00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.239
probably three decades now a bus runs

00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.239
through those streets when it could run

00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:02.760
down Mall of the road

00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.719
and down onto

00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.920
um was it kuyong road but for some

00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.599
reason it goes down two beautiful

00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:11.719
residential streets to the aisle of the

00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.239
residents that live there and it just

00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.199
doesn't make any sense so we've got 56

00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.760
signatories the residents have gone on

00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.519
and actually got an assessment done an

00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.480
impact assessment done on parking

00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.639
traffic safety and so forth so that was

00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.360
email through the Southport councils

00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:30.719
today so I'll attach that all together

00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.239
and the final one which all councilors

00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.280
and distributable may have received is

00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.400
Claremont Avenue there's a proposal as a

00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.760
result of safety for bicyclists and

00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.400
pedestrians to put in speed humps and

00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.840
showers there's a 154 signatories who

00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.320
have objected to it I said that I would

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.639
table that tonight each page has been

00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:56.639
initialed and I'd like to ask the public

00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.400
meeting for the board counselors and the

00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.519
affected residents and staff be

00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:03.280
requested now that the weather's better

00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:05.639
I did suggest that to one of the to the

00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.079
limitation there who was very happy that

00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.119
that was offered up councils are there

00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.840
any objections to us considering

00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.960
[Music]

00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.639
thank you councilor Coast you also have

00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:35.960
a petition yeah I've got a petition yes

00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.880
yep sorry yes I do have petition it's

00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.480
signed by 27 signatories mainly from

00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.719
Surrey Road South yarra it is we the

00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.119
undersigned here by petition the

00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.159
Stonington city council to make parking

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.320
on the Surrey Road North South yarra

00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.519
permit parking only in line with

00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.280
surrounding streets being a one-way

00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.639
street parking is severely inadequate so

00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:59.079
27 signatures pretty much what's a good

00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:00.360
good representation of the street

00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.679
looking for someone to yeah second that

00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:03.960
if I could move

00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:06.719
by councilor Griffin all those in favour

00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:10.199
thanks Lee and one more by Council Scott

00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.960
thank you sorry and this is a position

00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:17.159
that has been signed by 22 residents for

00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:20.159
28 to 30 Adelaide Street Armadale that's

00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.559
in regard to a proposal by Alfred Health

00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.760
with regard to residential eating

00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.000
disorder treatment center and the

00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.719
residents are concerned around the

00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:31.960
construction of a mini hospital and how

00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.599
it may adversely affect parking I

00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:35.880
understand that this is already in

00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.519
training with Council officers but just

00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.719
wanted to identify that this petition

00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:41.880
had been forwarded to us and I promised

00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.400
the residents that I would total this

00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.320
tonight thank you

00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.400
um

00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.119
in favour of accepting that petition

00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.599
thank you counselors

00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.679
yeah our community's been very busy all

00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.719
right we'll keep moving to notice this

00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.599
information which we have won this

00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:08.159
evening zero four-2023

00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.320
all right is there a movement for this

00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.000
motion um counselor Gene Trudeau and the

00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.480
second guy councilor Griffin thank you

00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.719
councilor James thank you bear I seek to

00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.880
move this notion this motion is of

00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.360
significance above many things we do in

00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.639
this chapter it is it is a first and I

00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.440
hope it's a sensing example for others

00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:34.920
the local government sector is a 12

00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.719
billion dollar industry annually that

00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.440
has a significant and real trust issues

00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:43.679
with many victorians we've seen the ibac

00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:45.840
reports and the misuse of position for

00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.360
nepotism the corruption the conflicts of

00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.960
interest and the public outrage at the

00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:52.599
abuse in the sector

00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:54.840
the local government sector has some of

00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.239
the most significant risks of corruption

00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.440
poor governance and poor risk management

00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.320
practices of any level of government

00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.360
you don't have to believe me you simply

00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:05.960
need to read the multiple reports

00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.440
investigations and recommendations from

00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.920
ibac the local government inspectorate

00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.440
the Victorian ombudsman the Victorian

00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.760
auditor general and even the commentary

00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.880
from asio the sector carries significant

00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.599
risks of corruption no more obvious than

00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.400
in the plan Etc planning decisions have

00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:26.400
the potential to transform communities

00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:29.239
for good or bad but more significantly

00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.000
we know that rezoning and significant

00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:34.079
development has the potential to deliver

00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.639
windfalls to owners and developers in

00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.960
the millions of dollars what we do

00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.400
around this tailor table and in this

00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.760
chamber is no small thing

00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.079
there have been allegations in recent

00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:48.119
years of inappropriate contact and

00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:49.920
connections between councilors and

00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.400
developers and not just in Casey Council

00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.440
there's only one way to solve this

00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:57.400
problem and that is by bringing these

00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.119
things into the light sunlight is the

00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.039
greatest disinfectant a handful of other

00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.559
counselors have registers but none are

00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.920
compulsory it is interesting that

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.000
Dandenong Council introduced one two

00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.639
years ago and yet there is nothing at

00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.159
least it on it

00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.440
the only way to change behavior in this

00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.239
space is to make it compulsory

00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:20.719
requirement in the Council of code of

00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:21.639
conduct

00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.920
I'm incredibly proud to be the first

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.679
counselor in Victoria moving emotion to

00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.920
make the contact between developers and

00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.960
counselors of compulsory

00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.400
the First Council first councilor to

00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.639
introduced a decision benefit governance

00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:39.199
model into all decisions of this Council

00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:41.480
there is no greater responsibility in

00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:44.440
this job than that of total transparency

00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.719
this motion will enable the community to

00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.119
see all interactions with developers on

00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.400
a monthly basis and permanently on

00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.159
council's website

00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:55.719
this motion will exclude any interaction

00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:57.880
with developers of a single dwelling

00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.480
residential development this is to

01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.800
ensure that regular mum and dads doing a

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.559
knock down rebuild are not targeted and

01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.000
publicly out in a process that has no

01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.519
basis of potential corruption or

01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:12.960
influence this will protect the

01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.360
reasonable privacy of average homeowners

01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.639
I'm determined to leave this motion and

01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:20.719
make Stonington The Shining Light On The

01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.719
Hill it residents dessert and crave the

01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.360
good people of this city deserve

01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.719
counselors and a council that has no

01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.480
secrets practices what it preaches in

01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.119
the sunlight and shines light into all

01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.559
areas of our operation

01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.840
the council must set the standard and

01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:40.519
this motion does just that I seek to

01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:42.280
ensure that we Foster trust and

01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.400
accountability between our counselors

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.760
and the people who pay us and the

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.760
organization behind us

01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:50.679
trust is the Cornerstone of our

01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.800
democracy if we really want to

01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:55.679
demonstrate our commitment to transfer

01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.639
that we must start with the developer

01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.599
contact register and we must set the

01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.760
example we must not wait for the experts

01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:05.559
or the state government to tell us what

01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.719
to do we must show our leadership and

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.480
deliver there is nothing at all wrong

01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:12.360
with any counselor speaking with a

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.639
developer it is part of our role our

01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:17.480
community must have a top that must have

01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:19.599
total confidence that we are transparent

01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.639
about these things and accountable to

01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:22.519
them

01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:24.519
for those that profit from our decisions

01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.280
in this chamber there must be a firm

01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.480
commitment and expectation that the

01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.000
interactions with us will be on the

01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.320
record this will ensure the high

01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.519
standards of integrity and transparity

01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.519
and transparency in our decision making

01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.440
in relation to the decision-making

01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.079
connection disclosure this will ensure

01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:47.000
that everyone who has been or will be a

01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.840
beneficial beneficiary of any Council

01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.480
decision will be listed this will mean

01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.840
Consultants directors contractors or

01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:57.639
anyone who has paid through the decision

01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.880
forming process or as a result of the

01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:03.960
decision will be publicly shown no

01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:05.159
secrets

01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.320
this this thing this also means that

01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:10.480
conflicts of interest are much easier

01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:13.119
for counselors and staff to detect and

01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:16.360
act accordingly some may not realize

01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.360
that it can be very difficult to

01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:20.559
identify directors of a company and

01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:22.960
therefore declare conflicts of interest

01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:26.199
readily again to bring this into the

01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:28.239
light is one of the greatest privileges

01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.719
I could have as a serving counselor

01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.880
mayor commend this motion of the

01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.159
significance to this chamber and my

01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.719
fellow counselors thank you counselor

01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:39.360
now we've spoke over the weekend about

01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.800
the date but I have spoken to Governors

01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.920
this can come in from the 1st of October

01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:47.159
the change to um the combat will take

01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.440
longer because you have to do community

01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:53.320
so this can come in but whilst

01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.320
the code of conduct has not changed if a

01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:58.599
counselor didn't obey this

01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:00.840
no action could be taken if that makes

01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:03.280
sense so it's okay we're going to start

01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.159
this on the first but the change to the

01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:06.880
kind of conduct will just take a little

01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:07.760
bit longer

01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:09.880
so the change to the code of conduct

01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:11.960
will be done by the 16th of this of

01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:14.599
October

01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:18.960
our patient

01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:19.960
18

01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.119
unless it possible to do that at the

01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.280
next meeting but that's not something I

01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:25.719
discussed with the officers and I'm

01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:29.599
getting a look on David's face sure um

01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.960
sorry Three Men and me

01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:34.119
um on my opinion Council of code conduct

01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:35.960
it's a council document it's an internal

01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.119
working document and as such there's an

01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:40.760
argument to be made because it's not

01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:42.199
prescribed in the life of Government Act

01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.320
of 2020 that you need to go out to

01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.719
consultation having said that Council

01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:48.519
has adopted a community engagement

01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.119
policy that sets when we go out to

01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:53.559
consultation and when we don't so if

01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:55.599
Council was to go out for a consultation

01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:57.599
with respect to the Council of code of

01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:59.679
conduct we would be suggesting it's a

01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:01.920
minimum of 21 days to go through

01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.320
consultation type process therefore

01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.519
trying to achieve this particular date

01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.320
by the 16th of October to answer your

01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.840
particular question counselor maybe a

01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:14.639
little bit problematic we also

01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:16.599
understand the intent of the notice the

01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:18.719
motion and it's done retrospectively

01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:20.639
because it came into effect from the 1st

01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.199
of October first reporting period would

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.000
be in November

01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.320
for October yeah okay so by then the

01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:31.079
council total conduct will be updated

01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.960
or very close too yeah you're

01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:36.280
comfortable with that cool

01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.400
um I can ask a question no um yes I'll

01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.719
allow that Council of course

01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:44.880
a couple of quick questions firstly

01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:47.000
um with consultative meetings that

01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:49.480
Council runs we normally have the

01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.119
applicant or the developer at those

01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.559
meetings before covert there used to be

01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:55.760
a form circulator that Council has used

01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:57.719
to sign I think that used to cover off

01:04:57.800 --> 01:04:59.480
on on that since code that I haven't

01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.719
seen it again just a question of office

01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:03.880
is what what processes were put in place

01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:05.639
to protect councilors on those around

01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:08.320
those consultative meetings

01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.400
but

01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:17.239
the second question I have cast in my

01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:18.880
mind back and I might be might be wrong

01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.519
but I think in illawarra Council in New

01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:23.440
South Wales had issues around planning

01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.480
applications and officers having

01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:27.719
conflicts of interest is there anything

01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.639
to also ensure that officers and in

01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:32.639
particular executives are also

01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.159
disclosing any meetings they have with

01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:37.119
workers in our city consistent with this

01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:39.039
provision for councilors so Council of

01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:40.679
course my understanding is all officers

01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.519
already do this but I'll ask for

01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:44.440
confirmation on that it's going to be

01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:45.840
there every time the planning the

01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:46.960
document is actually

01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.039
a record tape and there's an undertaken

01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:52.840
Undertaker from the officer that they

01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.000
had no conflict of interest so it's very

01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.199
well tracked and dropped so if an

01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.800
officer were to have a coffee or bump in

01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:01.320
and have a chat with a developer that

01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:03.280
would all be recorded consistently so

01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:04.679
just checking that they're consistent

01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:06.599
already something officers must do but

01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:08.559
not counselors at this stage perfect

01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:10.920
thank you uh Council Scott thank you may

01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.000
have two questions similar to Council of

01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:14.480
coasters

01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:18.119
um and it's a suggestion that um when

01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:20.960
if the Declaration can also be

01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:24.119
identified consultation meetings

01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:25.920
when councilors meet with applicants and

01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:27.159
objectives

01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:29.639
so as a suggestion to add that as an

01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:31.599
amendment and also a question around

01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:33.119
seven

01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:36.960
a so to know the developer means an

01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:38.440
individual individual body corporate or

01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:40.440
company engaging business activity that

01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:42.960
regularly involves the making of

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.039
relevant planning applications but if

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.159
it's the first time

01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:49.000
and they don't do it regularly

01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:50.440
[Music]

01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:53.320
get away with it

01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:55.760
so I guess the word regularly is

01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.360
probably one that I'd suggest we remove

01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:01.719
yeah look my view of developers is that

01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:04.199
sorry Council Jean Peter apparently this

01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.119
definition comes from New South Wales in

01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:08.800
the majority established process I'm

01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:10.920
actually right

01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.960
if we need to get further advice on in

01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:16.119
you this week do that after this so

01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:18.199
we're all clear up on what the

01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:20.000
obligations are and what's in and what's

01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:23.039
out yeah yeah

01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:26.559
okay good question I'd really like to go

01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.199
to the second art again I'm sorry okay

01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.159
okay

01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.360
do you want me to speak before the

01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:36.920
question or no after the perspective

01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:39.519
okay if you'd like to yeah I'm very

01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:41.480
happy to I want to congratulate Council

01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:44.440
Jean Fredo and councilman Morgan who is

01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.599
unfortunately not here tonight for this

01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:48.840
notice of motion tightening up the

01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:50.800
processes around developer counselor

01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:54.719
context with an obligatory register it

01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:56.679
looks like the system will be easy to

01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:58.840
complete and will be transparent with

01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.159
the register on the website look as

01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:03.840
counselors we are here to guard the

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:05.880
public funds particularly rate payers

01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:07.719
funds whose rates make up the proportion

01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.119
of our funding we are responsible for

01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.639
the public person are expected to behave

01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:13.880
ethically

01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.760
Developers for their part understandably

01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.119
try to maximize their Investments

01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:22.439
what is not acceptable is counselors

01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.760
their families or their causes getting

01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:27.159
funds or gifts from developers as quid

01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.640
pro quo for favourable planning decisions

01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:33.600
we know how this Behavior impacts on

01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.640
trust in Council and Council laws

01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:38.439
this does not mean we have to avoid

01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.560
speaking to developers we all know

01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.960
developers we run into them we don't

01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:44.439
necessarily have coffee with them but we

01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:46.319
say hello to them that is quite a

01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.479
separate issue to taking gifts or funds

01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.359
or offering favourable decisions to

01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:53.840
Developers for who knows what future

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:56.840
benefits developers equally should not

01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.039
feel beholden to counselors as there is

01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:01.119
a clear process which starts with the

01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:03.399
planning department and then sometimes

01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:05.319
comes to counselors who have an

01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:07.079
obligation to follow the planning

01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:08.079
guidelines

01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.439
so one would think there are sufficient

01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:12.880
guidelines and safeguards but sand on

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:16.000
and other incidents make it clear that

01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:17.920
not all councilors are prepared to

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.439
behave ethically and hence the need to

01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:22.560
tighten up the contact rules

01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:25.319
I believe that unethical behavior is the

01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:27.000
realm of a small percentage of

01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:29.439
counselors and it is a Pity that we even

01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.239
have to address this issue but the

01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:35.119
reality is the rules are sometimes made

01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.319
solely for those who might break them I

01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.159
strongly support this notice of motion

01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.600
thank you Council Griffin now we can

01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:44.079
open that up for further discussion or

01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:45.479
questions how's the question would you

01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.600
like to see yeah just quickly I I

01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.039
endorse the the motion if I was going to

01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.239
make any change it would be given that

01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.800
we've got a a definition of developers

01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:56.800
someone who regularly is involved in the

01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.560
making of relevant planning applications

01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.319
I I personally wouldn't have excluded

01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.079
all single dwelling residential

01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:04.239
developments because we've seen

01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.279
developers actually try and influence

01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:08.920
single sites that are quite large with

01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:10.760
very costly development and some

01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:12.760
developers specialize in single dwelling

01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.479
so they regularly do that and you know I

01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.039
would have excluded things that don't

01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.119
require a planning permit and a single

01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.640
dwelling but things that do require it I

01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.079
actually would have included it because

01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:25.880
sometimes they're really contentious

01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:28.560
issues so if there was a mind from the

01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.560
if there was a common view to to adjust

01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.640
that I'd be open to it but otherwise I'm

01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:36.399
I'm very supportive of this I think

01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:38.399
transparency is really important I think

01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.239
the thing with scottington's always held

01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:42.039
up held itself up to a very high

01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:43.640
standard on planning and I think we're

01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:45.239
one of the very few councils to have

01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:46.960
planning consultative meetings as well

01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:48.960
which really help inform our

01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:50.600
decision-making process as well because

01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:52.239
we hear from the applicant as well as

01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:54.239
the objectives together and we're not

01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:55.640
having separate meetings with people

01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.159
it's all all in the one room with

01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:58.600
officers present so it's very

01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:01.239
professional and proper and appropriate

01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:02.760
and I think we have a really good

01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:06.520
operation between here I think that this

01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.279
is a a really good progress forward is

01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:11.079
um is bringing in that register so I'm

01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:12.880
really supportive of it but I would go a

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:14.079
little bit further if there was support

01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:16.199
for that and I did raise that with the

01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:17.760
three authors of this motion over the

01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.840
weekend and conveyed that view very

01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:21.960
honestly to them that that would be my

01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:23.560
position but I think this is a really

01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.640
good step forward so counselor Chris did

01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:27.359
you want to

01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.439
put that forward and I can ask the

01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:31.840
signatures that are supporting with that

01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:33.640
can but I think the answer will be no

01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:35.439
based on the discussions I've had but

01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.840
happy to ask again

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:40.640
um look what my view is you know if you

01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:42.079
know I just don't want some

01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:44.279
unsophisticated unsophisticated

01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.720
developers to sort of have their names

01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:48.520
published in a register with whatever

01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.079
whatever issues they may have that may

01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:53.199
embarrass them I mean I would rather

01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:57.159
that not happen and have the rest of the

01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.239
single dwelling developers sort of

01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:02.680
exclude it from them as well I can also

01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.520
suggest that we can ensure and therefore

01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:07.079
we wouldn't review these counselor

01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:09.039
course after whether it's six months or

01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:10.640
a year and see how it's going and if

01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.079
they're finding that single dwellings

01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:15.640
are an issue it can always be limited at

01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:17.119
that stage but maybe that's just the

01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.640
piece of God see where it takes us but

01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:21.520
it's a great point so

01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:24.000
yes Council here is that just a question

01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:25.439
is that potentially mean that's another

01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.880
point to add as far as review no to come

01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:30.760
back because everything between

01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.560
Governors and the CEO is now is getting

01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:37.239
onto a cycle okay proper cycle so you

01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:39.159
can be assured that and pack it

01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:41.520
and six months could be too early so

01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.399
we're gonna pick the right sort of time

01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:46.119
um any other discussion or questions

01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:48.880
counselor said uh thank you mayor I

01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.279
concur with the councilor Coast

01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:52.960
um if I pick the recent example we had

01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:55.199
in Avalon road that would be excluded

01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:57.640
from what I read here because that was a

01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:59.920
single dwelling residential development

01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.079
both has a lobbyist

01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:04.960
no it says regularly involves the making

01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:06.520
of relevant planning applications with

01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:08.399
exclusions single dwelling residential

01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.119
developments

01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:12.640
involved even novel lobbyists it doesn't

01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:14.079
say

01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.840
um it says an and in this case somebody

01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:20.079
says includes lobbyist yeah hello but

01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.880
can I suggest counselors that taking a

01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:24.359
common sense approach there'd be nothing

01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.199
stopping you from putting that in the

01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.960
register yes exactly but it's a

01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:31.079
compulsory or not that just makes it

01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:32.920
subjective then it's either in or out

01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.760
you could also argue though that that

01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:36.039
particular

01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:38.439
was actually developer and although that

01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.079
was about their home in that instance

01:13:40.159 --> 01:13:43.880
that's too it's the same as as Council

01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:45.720
Scott said what does regularly mean

01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.199
we're good developers that come in every

01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:48.800
three years into a massive development

01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:50.600
some of them take three years to build

01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:53.039
before they move on to their next one so

01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:54.720
I actually find this really great with

01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.560
all due respect I get the sentiment I

01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.239
agree with it I have no issue with it

01:13:58.319 --> 01:13:59.840
but I'm not if it's going to be

01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:01.840
compulsory and it's going to be part of

01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:03.279
our Proto conduct I want to be very

01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.920
clear about when I'm going to be

01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:07.119
completing this and when I'm not going

01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:08.880
to be complaining not second guessing

01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.439
when whether things should be and some

01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:12.800
of some of the single dwelling

01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:14.600
residential developments that may not

01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.399
include any of the other items listed in

01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:19.399
there

01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:21.560
you can I mean you're just going to look

01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:23.399
at some parts of the city where you know

01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:24.720
we're on one thousand two thousand

01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.520
square meters they're multi-million

01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:29.399
dollar developments uh and someone with

01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.000
the wrong intentions can can

01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:32.600
significantly increase the value of a

01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:34.359
property more than potentially a

01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:36.760
multi-unit development will so I

01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:37.720
actually think this is going to be

01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:38.800
Japanese

01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:41.279
amendments can be moved

01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:44.199
well I was listening to well if we can

01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:45.760
defer it and refine the wording I'd be

01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.399
much more comfortable with that but I'd

01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:49.640
certainly support it

01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:51.520
it's not for me to decide you're either

01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.079
moving the councilman post said he

01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:54.359
didn't have much success over the

01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:58.039
weekend so I'm taking his guidance

01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.720
there was an exchange of emails

01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.039
I tried to call Castle Coast to try and

01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:06.960
work through that oh I missed your call

01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:09.520
sorry I didn't know you called her so we

01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.439
had a group chat before we got here and

01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:13.920
it's just

01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:24.880
live stream

01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.199
but sort ourselves

01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:33.520
[Music]

01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:37.960
and we are back from our adjournment

01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:39.800
thank you for everyone's patience there

01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:41.680
are some changes on the screen so we

01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.760
have struck out with the agreement of

01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:45.760
counselors Jim Frito and Griffin who

01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.000
ensure that signatories we've struck out

01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:50.680
the words regularly with the exclusion

01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:52.239
of single dwelling residential

01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.079
developments and we've added all right

01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.079
to a which means that a could be in

01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.760
situation or B could be in the situation

01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:02.600
sometimes we don't think that's you know

01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:04.840
developer we can make only here from

01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.520
every facilities

01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:12.159
are there any other speakers to this

01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:13.159
motion

01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:14.439
[Applause]

01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:16.439
Council hearing

01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.800
um I just was wanting to say that it's

01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:21.000
unfortunate Council Morgan isn't here

01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:22.640
tonight because this is something that's

01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:24.960
been a real passion point for her

01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:26.279
um I just thought before and I had an

01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:27.079
email

01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:28.640
um when she had raised the idea and

01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:30.960
Tweety Twitty so I'm sure she's very

01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:34.079
excited particularly online to see

01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.039
what's coming through so I just want to

01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:37.840
make sure that I acknowledge that and

01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.800
and I appreciate that my fellow councils

01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:44.079
are trying to be really proactive in how

01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.960
we can be more transparent and open with

01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:51.720
conversations are made thank you

01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:58.560
lobbying and hearing from developers

01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:01.319
isn't uncommon for cancer decisions but

01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:02.560
as we've seen with the standard report

01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:04.239
there are risks that need to be managed

01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:06.479
and while many councils are doing the

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:07.560
right things and taking the role

01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:09.039
seriously others have shown that there

01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:10.600
is that this isn't the case and there

01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:11.920
are some behaviors that are completely

01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.960
unacceptable there's a number of

01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:15.359
recommendations that come out and saying

01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:16.880
report this is a really great step

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.199
forward for one of them and where we're

01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:20.520
taking a leading role rather than

01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.880
waiting for the sector and I think that

01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:24.479
there's some others that we can consider

01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.319
doing as well going forwards but I think

01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:27.960
this is a great start

01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.000
corruption is often due to a small group

01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:32.119
of Bad actors but when the system allows

01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:34.600
it to happen it impacts culture and

01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.199
behaviors aren't examined so this system

01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:39.239
protects dominating from allowing that

01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:42.079
culture to happen and to permeate

01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.439
we already actually do have a developer

01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:46.560
lobbyist register in place where we

01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:48.359
asked a lot of meetings with developers

01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:50.119
and lobbyists which which I've been

01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:52.239
doing I'd actually always thought it was

01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:54.239
compulsory but there are some

01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.319
differences this actually brings it to

01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:58.319
an even better place this includes

01:17:58.399 --> 01:17:59.840
emails and text messages not just

01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:02.039
meetings and conversations this actually

01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:04.000
publishes that information monthly on

01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:05.920
the website which at the moment I think

01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.439
we have it sitting on a register where I

01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.279
actually don't know how to access it

01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:11.640
other than if I was to ask for Access

01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:13.720
and I think that these decision-making

01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:16.239
disclosures are really important so if

01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.000
this register gives the public greater

01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:19.960
confidence the councilors aren't being

01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:22.079
influenced inappropriately and misusing

01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:23.319
their position to gain Advantage

01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:25.000
browsers then I'm really happy to

01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.239
support it last month only last month I

01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:30.039
was accused of giving preferential to a

01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:31.880
treatment with preferential treatment to

01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:34.119
a developer who according to other

01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:36.640
people I knew and subsequently written

01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:37.960
up in the media we're sending food

01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:39.880
conflict of interest I was completely

01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:41.560
puzzled by this and when questioned by

01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:43.560
the reporter I discovered that it was

01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:44.840
inferred that I knew the developer

01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:46.880
because I smiled at them as they left

01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:50.319
the chamber I hope this register stops

01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:52.439
councils from being accused of misusing

01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:54.960
their position for simply extending a

01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:57.560
common courtesy when people seek come in

01:18:57.640 --> 01:18:59.079
or when they greet or say goodbye to

01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:00.720
people and who they've never met or

01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.159
spoken to before conflicts of interest

01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.079
shouldn't be used as a weapon to

01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.119
discredit others and I really hope that

01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:10.199
this transparency will allow us to use

01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:11.520
it for the purposeful which it's

01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:13.560
intended that is transparency

01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:16.079
implementing best practice standards and

01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.039
logging interactions to ensure that we

01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:19.560
as councilors are fulfilling our

01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:21.720
obligations

01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.359
thank you Castle about a goal if there

01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:25.880
are no other speakers we'll go to

01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:27.560
council Jean Fredo if you'd like to sign

01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:29.039
up thank you bear I just wanted to

01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:30.800
provide some you know hypothetical

01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.560
examples of how this compulsory uh

01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:36.520
developed contact register would work uh

01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:39.760
as follows say a councilor calls a high

01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:41.800
profile Stonington developer on a Sunday

01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:44.319
morning the day before a council meeting

01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:46.319
and says that they are very unhappy with

01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.479
the previous decision of council to

01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:50.199
refuse one level above the height limit

01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.600
the same counselor then makes an

01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:54.239
assurance to the developer that they'll

01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:56.199
introduce the rescission motion to

01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:58.439
reinstate the Lost floor despite the

01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:00.720
preferred height limit now it is clear

01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.560
to anyone who is asking this

01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.399
hypothetical situation unfold that this

01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:08.319
is not appropriate conduct not at all

01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.880
appropriate but how would the good

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.079
people are starting to know unless it is

01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:14.560
recorded on the developer contact

01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.600
register they wouldn't as we all know

01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:19.760
high profile developers usually get

01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.319
significant media attention and P are

01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:25.479
when permits are issued to them if the

01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:27.279
media yield this sort of conversation

01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:29.800
and Assurance you can be assured rice

01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:31.640
Miller from the age would have found his

01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.840
next Casey Council also perhaps if the

01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:36.720
councilor knew it was a compulsory

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.239
requirement in a code of conduct they

01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:41.199
would choose to dislise it or even

01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:43.319
better they might not even have this

01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:45.960
conversation at all remember a breach of

01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:47.800
the code of conduct can lead to

01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:50.279
suspension and public apologies imagine

01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:51.479
that

01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:54.039
change only comes when people have the

01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:56.600
will mayor I challenge all around this

01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:58.439
table to demonstrate their will and

01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:00.479
their commitment to Total transparency

01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:02.800
the people of Stonington deserve the

01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.279
truth the staff who work behind us to

01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:07.600
deserve the truth and the sector is

01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:09.520
craving for transparency in this place

01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:11.840
so let us show the way now a

01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:13.439
hypothetical example of how

01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.399
decision-making connection disclosure

01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.760
works is let's say a council received a

01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:19.439
phone call from a prominent resident

01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.720
suggesting that property was a great

01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:24.239
acquisition for Council open space and

01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.520
it just came on the market the property

01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:28.760
may or may not appear on some the list

01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.640
or one list or another a counselor then

01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:33.760
bounds into a council meeting with an

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.039
urgent Council motion to acquire these

01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:38.680
said listed property how good would it

01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:40.479
be for the council group to know up

01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:42.560
front who owns the property and who

01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.439
benefits

01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:48.399
yes because you didn't do it earlier

01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:50.520
councilor Scott moved and seconded by

01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:51.520
Council

01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.039
thank you um how good would it be for

01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.199
the councilor group to know up front who

01:21:56.279 --> 01:21:58.439
owns the property and who will benefit

01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.000
financially if this property is acquired

01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:03.560
by Council it would be listed in the

01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:06.000
motion how good would it be that

01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:08.079
councilors would be able to easily

01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:10.000
identify whether or not they have

01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:12.279
personal conflicts of interest or

01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:14.399
Connections in common with the owners

01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.119
how good would it be for a council to

01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:18.640
know if other Council has had

01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:21.560
connections and conflicts too I simply

01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:24.079
love that this motion encapsulates

01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:25.880
multiple layers of governance

01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:28.880
protections for our counselor group in

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:31.000
multiple ways to flush out potential

01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:33.560
conflicts of interest it's time to get

01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.359
this done to lead the sector and build

01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:38.119
trust with our community thank you man

01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:40.920
thank you

01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.840
thank you counselors all right reports

01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:49.840
by councilors we have a record of

01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:52.319
briefing held on the 21st of August is a

01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:54.800
remover for that record

01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:57.359
thank you councilman seconded by Council

01:22:57.439 --> 01:22:59.520
Brooklyn any comments or issues with the

01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:00.720
record

01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.279
know all those in favour of adopting that

01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:05.399
that's carrying out on sleeping

01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:07.119
counselors are there any other reports

01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:10.239
to give councilor healing thank you um I

01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:12.560
had a eager Eastern Alliance for

01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:14.279
Greenhouse actions executive committee

01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:16.720
October 4th of August

01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:18.279
um and that is we discussed a few things

01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:20.760
including business renewable buying

01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:21.960
group which Stonington isn't actually

01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.239
part of because we don't have businesses

01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:26.319
within our area which are on the target

01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:27.760
band that they're looking for but

01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:29.920
otherwise essentially the scheme helps

01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.600
businesses to secure cheaper green

01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:33.479
energy through

01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:36.359
combined mine contracts essentially we

01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:38.560
also had a presentation about councils

01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:40.600
and carbon offset schemes which I

01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:41.760
thought was really interesting but

01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:43.479
noting that Stonington is currently

01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:45.239
focused on reducing carbon emissions by

01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:47.439
our own emissions reduction rather than

01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:49.720
using offsets although offsets might be

01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:52.479
considered post 2030. what I found

01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:54.720
really interesting was that a lot of bad

01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:56.439
news about carbon offsets has really

01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.720
been about overseas forestation projects

01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:00.640
which are only one way of addressing

01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.640
think as offsets and also there's an

01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:05.560
issue of limited supply of certified

01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:07.600
high quality carbon credits to purchase

01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:10.239
with increasing demand as more companies

01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:11.840
are trying to to look into that sort of

01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:13.239
thing and they're also International

01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:15.039
carbon credits were a lot cheaper than

01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:17.319
Australian ones so I suppose one of the

01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:19.319
provocations that I had from that was

01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:21.960
that if Stonington in the future Beyond

01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:23.800
2030 was going to look at investing in

01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:27.079
carbon credits that potentially

01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:29.199
um there could be a more Innovative way

01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:30.520
of thinking about it instead of

01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:33.279
investing in distant carbon schemes we

01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:35.520
could look to invest and create a future

01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:37.560
fund to enable the funding of local

01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:40.479
decarbonate decarbonization projects

01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:42.640
potentially within our schools and our

01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:45.359
homes and communities so I'm just

01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:47.319
planting that seed of thought tonight I

01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.319
don't know whether in 2030 will reflect

01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:51.039
back on it but I just think you know

01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:52.439
these These are really interesting

01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:54.039
problems that are coming down the line

01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:56.800
and will enable some Innovative thinking

01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:58.359
about how what we can do at a local

01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:00.680
level

01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.640
I visited the community opening of the

01:25:07.720 --> 01:25:09.800
syncilda road bike Lanes can you hold

01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:11.840
that for General business please this is

01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:14.600
really just committee

01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:17.760
were there any other of these Fortnight

01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:19.720
counselors

01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.239
any questions to council offices tonight

01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:24.800
councilor post just a quick question why

01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:26.560
don't you get a brief update on the

01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.640
footpath works at turak Village and how

01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:29.600
that's going

01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:31.600
Rick I'm free today

01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:34.119
um the project is still grown on track

01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:36.359
for completion

01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:38.239
um towards the end of November

01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:42.359
it's a challenging project but

01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:43.520
um

01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.119
requires

01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.279
putting out the works to two sides of

01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:51.000
the road and doing the works in sections

01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:53.199
because here by either side of the road

01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:55.359
so it's been very challenging for

01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:57.079
contractors as well as for staff to

01:25:57.159 --> 01:25:58.119
actually

01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:00.399
organize the methodology that actually

01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:02.840
works within the constraints of the pox

01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:07.479
but at this stage the project is

01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:09.039
councilor Griffith

01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.920
um great minds councilor co-side my same

01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:13.600
question a slightly different question

01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:15.800
I've had some questions from residents

01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.239
through you madam Mr classic wondering

01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:21.000
why we're not doing it in you know one

01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.840
side and then the other side because as

01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:26.039
you know a lot of older people within to

01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:28.640
run to rock Village and the whole area

01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:30.800
is a bit of a mess right now so I did

01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:33.800
not know how to answer that question

01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:35.279
previous

01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:37.319
um again it's some of the challenges

01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:41.159
associated with the clear ones and it

01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:43.239
creates a very difficult construction

01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.279
environment because there are

01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.560
constraints about the timing of works so

01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:49.000
in order to get the most efficient

01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:50.920
outcome in order to actually deliver the

01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:53.039
work suspectively as possible The Works

01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.199
have been staged in such a way for the

01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:57.159
19 stages and it's been staged in such a

01:26:57.239 --> 01:26:59.439
way to keep businesses open but also to

01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:03.279
deliver the works as quickly as possible

01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:05.119
there is probably

01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:08.039
um an issue around storage and there's a

01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.399
storage area in Wallace Avenue which is

01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:14.039
really to hold materials for the site

01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:16.119
and that's as close as possible to the

01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.560
site without impacting the works we can

01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:20.199
I ask I believe before construction

01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:22.840
started if my memory is correct we were

01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:26.079
said to have really helpful in email

01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:29.600
by that method was chosen can that be

01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:31.960
recent or another email so that has

01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:34.119
asked those sorts of questions

01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:36.640
absolutely thank you are there any other

01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:38.319
questions to ask us counselor Healy

01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:41.920
thank you just referring back to the

01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.439
general business item on local laws and

01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.560
the the part that didn't get through as

01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:49.000
far as Community consultation I mean you

01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:50.319
talked about how there was going to be a

01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:52.600
consultation review that is occur and I

01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:54.399
was just wondering when that is likely

01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:56.520
to come back to councilors let's see

01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:58.640
your own team it's an extremely I don't

01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.560
I can't give a date as a city here but I

01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:01.720
will certainly give you one in the

01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:03.560
coming days and I think the proposition

01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:05.800
that you raised around the schedule in

01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:07.800
my experience actually works it's not

01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.560
easy to do but if and when done well

01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:12.640
gives everyone clarity as you want to

01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:14.760
help you with can we plan holistic view

01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.399
of both communication and engagement so

01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.840
there's a lot of opportunity

01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:23.800
that's one part of the schedule the

01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:26.399
piece of work I was talking about which

01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:28.560
Daniela is is acting at the moment so

01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:30.760
may not know did you know much about

01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:32.520
yeah yeah

01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:36.880
three year math Community engagement

01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:40.520
there you go thank you

01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:42.960
telepathic if there are no other

01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:44.079
questions

01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.039
I'll ask is there any urgent business

01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:47.760
this evening

01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:52.279
okay and general Business Council Scott

01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:58.119
uh so uh on uh Sunday yesterday I

01:28:58.199 --> 01:28:59.920
visited the community opening of the St

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.239
Kilda road bike lane with around 100

01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:06.760
cycling enthusiasts councilors from Yara

01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:09.880
and Port Phillip and MPS Catherine Cox

01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:14.119
CE Nina Taylor and Sam Evans

01:29:14.199 --> 01:29:17.399
the new protected bike pathways are key

01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:19.039
to setting up safe cycling

01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.760
infrastructure and improving access to

01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.039
cycling for people across inner

01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:27.880
Melbourne the stats are pretty clear 60

01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.960
of people would choose to cycle over

01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:34.479
driving if it was safe to do so I look

01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:35.760
forward to seeing how Stonington

01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:37.560
responds to this new piece of

01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:39.960
infrastructure right on the doorstep of

01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:42.000
Southport

01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:43.640
also

01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.920
I attended a recent walk and talk

01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:48.840
buddies program

01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:51.720
which was held with the indigenous

01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:53.600
Heritage War groups

01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:58.000
last Thursday and it's a group of

01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:00.159
residents that come together once a week

01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:02.760
I think it is and do different tours of

01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:05.600
different parts of Stonington this

01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:07.439
particular one the indigenous Heritage

01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:10.640
walk was facilitated by Alison from

01:30:10.720 --> 01:30:12.520
rewarding sonnington and her talk was on

01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:14.800
a trail commencing at South Arrow siding

01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:17.039
and along the Sandringham Railway

01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:19.960
Corridor through the Windsor It's a

01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:22.359
Wonderful Council program which aims to

01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:25.199
bring Community together on a reality of

01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:27.720
walks across Donington and from my

01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:29.279
perspective as a counselor it was great

01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.479
to participate and walk with residents

01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:33.720
answering your questions deflecting to

01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:36.479
council officers and enjoying the sights

01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:38.600
of the indigenous walk along or

01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:40.479
something

01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:42.399
any other items of General business

01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:44.079
tonight

01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:46.239
I've got one counselor than it was in

01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:48.960
our media email today so our Go full

01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:51.079
circle program has been shortlisted for

01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:54.079
a Tiny Town sustainability award by King

01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.399
Australian beautiful the program has

01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:58.600
been recognized under the category EPA

01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:00.720
waste prevention and reduction which

01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:02.680
acknowledges projects that support in a

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circular economy focusing on their

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housing what goes into the landfill to

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live we've delivered this with murandara

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and Melbourne the goethal circle

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supports local business owners to embed

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a circular economy approach into their

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business operations the second round of

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the program gets underway soon with

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another group of Science and business

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owners who are eager to identify

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opportunities to drive a stronger

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Financial environmental and social

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outcomes through a circular economy

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there were 130 award entries this year

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so just for the city of Stonington to be

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recognized is fantastic and I'm sure

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officers will get brought back

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on whether we are fully successful or

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not but really really good job to reach

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the team the queen after wise and

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everyone else involved in that

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all right counselors and we don't have

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any confidential business on tonight's

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agenda so we officially close the

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meeting at 8 46 pm thank you to those

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that attended and watched online

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