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Good evening and welcome to the City of

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Stonnington council meeting of Monday the

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11th of August 2025. I'm councellor Melina

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Sehr. I'm the Mayor of the City of

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Stonnington. I'd like to begin with the

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reading of the reconciliation statement.

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We acknowledge we are meeting on the

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traditional lands of the Wurundjeri

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Woi Wurrung and Bunurong Peoples of the East

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Kulin Nations and pay our respects to

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their Elders past and present. We extend

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that respect to all Aboriginal and

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Torres Strait Islander peoples. We

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acknowledge their living connection to

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country, relationship with the land, and

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all living things extending back tens of

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thousands of years. I'd also now like to

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read our statement of commitment. We are

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reminded that as councellors, we are

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bound by our oath of office to undertake

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the duties of councellor in the best

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interests of the people of the City of

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Stonnington and to faithfully and

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impartially carry out the functions,

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powers, authorities, and discretions

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vested in us under the local government

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act and any other relevant act.

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Before we introduce councellors and

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officers, I'd like to take this

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opportunity to remind our attendees of

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the behavioral expectations at council

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meetings. Members of the public are not

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permitted to address the council and may

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only do so with the consent of the chair

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or by prior arrangement. Council

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provides an opportunity for public

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engagement through questions from the

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community section of the meeting where

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applicable, which requires

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pre-registration with our governance

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team. Any member of the public

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addressing the council must extend due

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courtesy and respect in to the council

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and the processes under which it

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operates and must take direction from

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the chair whenever called upon to do so.

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A member of the public in attendance at

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a council meeting must not disrupt the

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meeting and any member of the public who

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does disrupt the meeting or fails to

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comply with the direction I've issued

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may be removed from the council meeting.

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I'll now like to move on and introduce

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my fellow councellors around the table

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which to my left from Toorak Ward is

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councellor Tom Humphries our Deputy Mayor

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from Orrong Ward we have councellor Sam

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Choudhury from Wattletree Ward councellor

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Steve Stefanopoulos OAM from Tooronga

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Ward counselor Jamie Bell and from

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Hedgeley Dene Ward councellor Sally Davis

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from Malvern Valley Ward counselor Jami

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Klisariss from Como Ward councellor Meghan

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Hopper and from South Yarra Ward councellor

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Kate Hely can't talk tonight.

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However,

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okay. And  our manager of

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governance will introduce our staff and

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council officers here tonight. Over to

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you, Mr. Xavier Smerdon.

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Thank you, Mayor firstly to your

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right is Cath Harrod, the acting CEO. Before

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behind us is Emily Stockdale, senior

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government officer and Connor Hayes,

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governance officer to your far right

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is Anthony Depasquale, manager statutory

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planning. Reece Thomas, coordinator of

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governance and Julia Galacce, chief

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financial officer. To your far left is

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Liz Daily, acting director community

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and well-being. Simon Holloway, director,

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infrastructure, environment,

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infrastructure, and Daniella Mazzone, director,

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organizational development.

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Thank you, Mr. Smerdon. We now move to

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apologies. councellors, are there any

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apologies for future meetings?

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There being none, we now move to

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adoption and confirmations of minutes of

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previous meetings councellors, the

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minutes are included. minutes for the

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council meeting held on the 28th of

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July, 2025, the list on the agenda for

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adoption.  is there any discussion

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about those minutes?

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There being none, can I have a mover 

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a second to adopt those minutes to be

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confirmed? Thank you. Move to councellor

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Humphrey, seconded councellor Bell. so

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say no. Thank you. I'll now put the

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motion. All those in favor, please raise

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your hands.

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That motion is carried as an accurate

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record of the proceedings. councellors,

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we now move to disclosure by councellors

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of any conflicts of interest. Does

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anyone wish to declare any conflicts of

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interest to matters relating to

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tonight's meeting? Councellor Humphries.

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yes. I would like to declare a

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general conflict of interest for item

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8.10 as I'll be the one potentially

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attending the summit. So, out of an

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abundance of caution.

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Okay. and you'll excuse yourself from

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the chamber. Thank you.  councellor

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Helyy,

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thank you.

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Item 16.1.

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Thank you. Thank you  councellor Hely

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and  for the same agenda item I will

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declare a material conflict of interest

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and I'll  speak to that further when

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the matter is brought before this

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council. Thank you. So councellors we

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move to questions to council from the

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community. So tonight, council received

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a number of submissions for tonight's

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meeting in relation to items 8.1 and 8.2

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on the agenda. As these items relate to

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developments being considered tonight,

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I've exercised my authority under rule

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56.19.9

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of our governance rule to disallow these

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submissions. And I want to ensure the

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submissions that although their

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statements are not being heard publicly

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at tonight's meeting, all councellors

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have been provided with a copy of the

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submissions and are aware fully aware of

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the issues that have been raised by

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them. So accordingly, there'll be no

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submissions to be heard tonight.

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councellors, we now move on to the main

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items in today's meeting. And we move to

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item 8.1, 1269 High Street, Malvern. And

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also note there's an alternative

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recommendation by councellor Bell. Do I

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have a motion to be moved? Please move.

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councellor Bell. And do I have a second?

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Thank you councellor Stevens. councellor

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Bell, over to you.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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screen.

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No so just mention one motion you'd

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like to move. So move it.

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  alternate motion.

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There it is. It's on the screen now.

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Do you want me to read through it now or

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I think I think we've all read it. It's

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on the screen for members  in the

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gallery and online. So if you want to

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speak to the item, that'd be great.

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Thanks, Mayor. I appreciate that. And 

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welcome to those in the gallery tonight.

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This item, as most of us and those in

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gallery tonight potentially will be

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aware, has been around for a little

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while. The the process to get here has

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been probably slightly longer than what

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we would have liked, mainly because

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there was a deferral through the

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process which has led us to here. The

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reason for the deferral  was to

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hopefully see a resolution

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 achieved  unfortunately that hasn't

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happened until back here to talk about

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it again. 

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the the general history to it, I

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suppose, and the reason why I had

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deferred was because I perceived 

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unfairness potentially in the way that

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the previous agreement had been reached

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and then the process in which the 

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building was constructed and then 

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the hope that there could be an

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amendment to the permit to allow 

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changes which would probably

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 not in alignment with our original

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agreement. So that's one of the 

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 reasons why I've certainly put

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this alternative motion forward. Two of

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the other  reasons were

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 as we had previously discussed were

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in relation to potential  health and

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 the sorry safety  issues that

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related to the lowering and the

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potential for  people to climb and

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actually fall from the balcony should

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the screening be lowered and in

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addition to that, one of the the main

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concerns to many of the objectors were

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in relation to the 

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unreasonable overlooking which  has

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been of great concern to people. So that

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is the broad summary of  the alternate

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motion and I think that's probably

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enough for now.

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Thank you, Councellor Bell. councellor Stefanopouols.

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Thank you, Mayor.  this is an

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application that I  regretfully 

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deferred at the last council meeting

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which I in retrospect was probably a

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wrong decision on my part and we should

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have made a decision actually to refuse

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it there and then and I my colleague

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here has put up a notice of refusal

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which I wholeheartedly agree there are a

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number of issues regarding this

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application mainly to do with the 

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good faith conversations that were held

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between the applicant  prior to

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construction production and the

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residents. That is what has upset me

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and  upset the residents and in good

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faith. There was lots of conversation

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and mediation made and  compromise

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made and now the applicant wishes to

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come back and  have their cake and

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someone else's and someone else's and

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someone else's.

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That doesn't float with me and  I'm

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wholeheartly supporting the residents.

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They didn't run from where I am and 

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if this was me I would also be furious.

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So I will hope  that my fellow council

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will support this application to refuse

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and the building has been built.  it

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is not a great design but it is what it

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is.  but the residents can see the

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outcome of the mediated conversation

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that they are looking at at the time. It

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is there. They're happy with somewhat

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happy with what's there.  but this is

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this request is a bit unrealistic as far

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as I'm concerned. Thank you, Councellor

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Stefanopoulos. Are there other speakers

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to the motion before us?

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Council Bell, are you happy for me to

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put the motion?

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I might just quickly add one if that's

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okay.

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Oh, yeah. Try to stick with what you

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said when you move the motion. We

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shouldn't be introducing new

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information.

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Well, I don't need to have that right.

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Did you want to just do a right of

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reply? Yeah, I just wanted to point out

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I'll echo councellor Stefanopoulos's point 

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that there is probably

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 quite an unreasonable

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I guess slant to this given what had

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previously been agreed. But I just

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wanted to point out as well that  in

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terms of the planning system and the

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planning policy that was used to

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assess this application, it probably

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raises an issue yet again where there's

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perhaps a failure in that broader

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 state based planning process.  I

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think it's been fairly assessed by the

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officers. It's not a reflection of the

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the wrong assessment, but I think in

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this matter it's a little bit more

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complex. Um and there's a bit of a

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history here that needs to be spoken

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about to fully understand, you know,

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what's going on here.  I have had a

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number of conversations with objectors

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of a lot of different people in regard

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to  this matter and it's been a fairly

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healthy process. I wanted to point that

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out as well.  I think we've gone

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through I think you probably went

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through an additional step, but I think

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the conversations that we've had have

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been very reasonable to get to this

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point and the reason for refusal. So, I

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just wanted to point that out there.

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All right. Thank you. I'll now put the

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motion um to the vote. So, that's to

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issue a notice of refusal for 

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the reasons as listed up on the screen.

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All those in favor to issue a notice of

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refusal, let that be noted. That was

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that was unanimous decision of council.

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Thank you, councellor Bell.

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councellors,

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we now move to item 8.2, 973 Dandenong

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Road, Malvern East.

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Do I have a move in a second by Councellor

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Klisaris? Mover and seconded by

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councellor Davis. Over to you, councellor

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Klisaris. Thank you, Mayor.  this

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application is an amendment to an

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existing application  where we've 

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existing permit use for  student

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housing on Dandenong Road very close to 

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Monash University campus.  the

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amendment includes the following notable

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differences. It's very different overall

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but these are I guess the big ones. 

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current permit has 53 units proposal 77.

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The current has 13 parking spaces. The

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proposal has 17. The current permit has

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54 bicycle spaces. The proposed

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amendment is a reduction to 31. 

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height is almost the same. We're talking

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about, I think, a 19 cm difference and

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some differences with site coverage and

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per permeability. Probably one of the

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most significant changes though um would

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be the vehicle access. Now, we had a

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consult that councellor Davis  also

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attended myself  and there was a lot

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of discussion about  the suitability

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or potential not suitability of student

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housing in this area, but I think that

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did come down to some local residents

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who  have a view that  it may be

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difficult to live nearby student

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accommodation.  but at the end of the

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day, there already is a current permit.

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there already is the ability for a

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four story 53 unit student accommodation

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that could start construction tomorrow.

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 and I think I  was quite  frank

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about what council could and couldn't

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consider as part of this amendment. We

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really can't be revisiting whether

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student accommodation is appropriate or

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not. So after dealing with that part of

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it, it was the vehicle access which

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probably I would say was was the one of

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the biggest themes of the discussion.

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Currently, it's coming off Dandenong Road

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into a basement. What's proposed is for

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it to come off the rear laneway into car

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stackers. Now,  we we all know um

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around this table very very well that 

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Vic Roads rarely if ever allows a

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development to have its access off a

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main road if there is another option

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whether it's a residential street or a

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laneway where where that other option ex

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exists. We know that Vic Roads will

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always say, "No, you can't come off the

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main road." How the previous owner

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achieved

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permission from Vic Roads to come off

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Dandenong Road where it's 70 km and there is

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no service lane I don't know how

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they achieved that. And again, I was

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quite frank at the consult to to try and

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manage  the objector's expectations

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that although Vic Roads gave that

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approval for the existing permit, it

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does not mean that it would happen for

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the amendment and so whilst I

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understand the locals really don't want

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the access to come off the rear laneway,

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we are talking about 17 parking spaces,

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 we are talking about student

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accommodation where typically a lot of

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those students don't own a vehicle or

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might use a car share and other options.

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And this area is incredibly well

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serviced by public transport. I think

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the walk to the university is about 600

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m. It's got bicycle spaces, etc. But the

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fact is that there is a lane way and it

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is being used by other sites. The second

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big complaint I guess I would say is the

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construction management. There is a lot

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of concern and that came through in the

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questions that were submitted but

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disallowed for tonight. Um we can't

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consider how the construction will go,

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how long it will take, the practices of

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the builders, where the builders are

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going to park. It's just not part of

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what we are legally allowed to consider

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as part of this amendment.  there will

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need to be a construction management

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plan that's got its own process. Um and

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council certainly watches and enforces

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all of that. You know, if the developer

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is doing the wrong thing and there's

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dust everywhere or  it's workers

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parking all over the place, we have

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processes in place to  monitor enforce

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 and deal with that where where

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necessary. When you look at this 

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proposal on balance, although yes, the

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units are going up, parking is going up,

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yes, bicycle spaces are coming down, but

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they are still providing about double

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what they are required to provide. They

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also, if my understanding is correct,

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don't have to provide any parking

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spaces. They would need to justify that

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to us, but we really don't have a strong

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policy position to require parking in

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student housing. So 17 spaces, which is

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16 + one for a disabled vehicle, um is

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is I think a strong outcome. It is still

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more than the current permit. Um he pipe

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is virtually the same. Site coverage is

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up. However, permeability has increased

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somehow. So I don't know how they're

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adding 24 units, but they've actually

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increased permeability by 7%. So, when

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you take all of that into consideration,

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, plus the fact, and I placed very

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little weight on this, I do think the

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design in the amended application is far

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superior to what's currently approved.

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Overall, I think it's a balanced

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outcome. I think it's fair for the area.

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Um, and again, you know, if residents

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are concerned by building practices when

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construction is happening, we are here

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to hear those complaints and action them

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and put them through the appropriate

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channels. We just can't consider those

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part of this amendment. So, I give this

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to council for endorsement there.

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Thank you. Yeah, and you've done it very

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well. councellor Davis, over to you.

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Indeed, she has, Mayor. Thank you,

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Council Pasar. Such a comprehensive

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response. Anything I say would be super,

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but um just to echo the comments um

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Council Pasaris has made. Um, we are

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aware of  the residents concerns and I

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should say it's largely those who live

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in Walling Road which once upon a time

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used to be a quiet street had the

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misfortune of feeding onto a dang on the

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road and now they're surrounded by these

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large developments. So an old journal

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mate of mine who lives there rang me and

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said this place isn't what it used to

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be. Well yeah hello how many of us are

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saying that a lot of it is beyond our

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control. Um and we have listened and 

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councellor Kazar has conducted a very

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reasonable effective  consultation

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which I attended  cuz it's on the

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border on my ward almost and I know the

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area quite well.  so um it's all been

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said so I'll just echo councellor's

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remarks and ask for your support. Thank

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you councellor Davis. councellor Hilly.

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Thank you. Um I was a bit skeptical

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about the amenity of the student

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accommodations and people that I do live

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here um for a short period of time but I

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reviewed our 2006 student council study

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and also not acknowledged in a study on

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student council in 2022

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in 2018.

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um and they talk about ideals because

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there's not really a solid policy across

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to follow but it became clear to me that

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this this application that she has as as

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council

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on the previous design um and the rooms

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the communal spaces meet in some cases

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exceed what these best practice

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standards are that we've seen from other

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university sort of areas. Um and also it

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it addresses a historical concern where

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um the use of the site can't be changed.

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So the 2006 study highlighted this risk.

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But this application makes sure that um

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it they can't convert the site to other

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accommodation. It has to say student

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accommodation without um without council

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approval. So um I was skeptical but I

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researched and I'm okay with it now. So,

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thank you very much for um allowing me

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the the moment to to have that

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consideration. Um but I think it's a

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great it's so close to jury education.

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It's the right place for it to be and it

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seems that they're quite generous um in

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comparison to what the standards are.

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Thank you, councellor Hilly. Any other

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speakers in motion? Council,

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just very briefly cuz I think it's been

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very well summarized. Um my only concern

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initially when reading through this

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application was around the reduction in

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indoor communal space. um which I think

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is so important when you're talking

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about student accommodation because

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there's a lot of um you know research

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and evidence out there around um the

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very lonely experience that can

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sometimes be felt um particularly by

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international students who are um

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learning and living in a language other

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than their original one um and come to

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Australia without necessarily having a

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lot of social connections and so for

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them to have social outlets and the

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ability to interact with other students

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is really important. I think it's very

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positive that the officers have worked

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into the recommendation that units G12

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and G13 in the proposal that have been

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put forward by the applicant will

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instead be converted to indoor communal

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space. Um and those are located in an

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appropriate place for that to form a

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sort of lobby style communal indoor

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space. Um so the addition of that point

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B I think is a really good one um by our

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own design officers um and makes me feel

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a lot better about the provision of

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indoor space for students. Thank you,

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Council Hob. Other speakers to the

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motion. Council Plarus, would you like

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to respond?

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Very briefly, Mayor. Um, and I don't

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want to bring in new material, but I

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it's connected to the consult. There was

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an agreement for agreeing more treatment

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lane way to soften the appearance. Um,

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and that has been included by way of

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condition. Um, so I just wanted to

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highlight that. And also, it was a very

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well attended consult. So, I thank all

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of the residents that did attend that.

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Whilst they might feel as though this

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isn't going their way tonight, I do want

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them to know that they have been heard.

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We've read their questions, although

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they were not allowed to be asked, but

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we've read them and I think we've

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responded to them as part of this

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debate. Um, and I'll leave it at that.

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All right. Thank you, councellor Casarus.

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I'll now put the motion. All those in

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favor, that motion is carried

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unanimously. Thank you, councellors. We

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now move to item 8.3, the George G

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Center future options report. Noting we

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have an officer recommendation and

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alternate by councellor Kate Healey who's

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just moved that alternative um

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recommendation and seconded by council

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hopper. So over to you councel here. So

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firstly is outline what the alternative

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is essentially adding there to qualify

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the replacement open space from the

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south era. Um and then because of that

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reference to master plan which was more

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than the south era. Um so again while

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while I appreciate the work with

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council's report um which is part of a

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broader initiative that we've had you

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agree last council meeting to

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interrogate the effective and efficient

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use of council's assets um the crucial

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reporting concern with this decision I

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think is the stark reality of both the

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space division

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and particularly in South Yara so the

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proposal to sell the land multiple

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street South which is le leg legally

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designated as part of space but is not

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in a location that's best utilized for

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converting to open space comes with a

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clear legal obligation under subdivision

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act.

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Um that the proceeds must be used for

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the replacement of open space and our

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own strategies have highlighted this

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really crucial issue. The South Yara not

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only is one of the lowest amounts of

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open space per person um in the

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municipality but also predominantly the

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housing types are very

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private open space. Um so the 2013 open

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space you know that approximately 39% of

00:23:26.159 --> 00:23:29.096
the dwellings do in South

00:23:29.120 --> 00:23:31.015
2013

00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.895
are much more now um with only 12% being

00:23:33.919 --> 00:23:35.416
separate dwellings that have their own

00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.816
backyard. So again for South Yara it's

00:23:37.840 --> 00:23:39.576
really important that we kind of open

00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:41.256
the club I believe the open space is

00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:44.056
available there. Um so as a result the

00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:45.736
public realm is really essential for

00:23:45.760 --> 00:23:47.736
leisure and social attraction for these

00:23:47.760 --> 00:23:50.696
residents. Um and the numbers are once

00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.856
again I see the lowest in Victoria. So

00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.336
the 2013 report said that we had

00:23:55.360 --> 00:23:57.176
approximately 11 square meters per

00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.096
person. that was projected to equal to

00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:02.120
nine square meters in 2021 and I today

00:24:02.159 --> 00:24:04.696
monsters in South Carolina is now 7.7

00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.856
square meters per person and is expected

00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:08.376
to have one of the high estimated

00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.400
populations in 2026 in all areas of I

00:24:12.159 --> 00:24:15.159
should say also South Carol and

00:24:15.919 --> 00:24:18.616
um I've just got the title

00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.640
um so and public open space is not just

00:24:21.760 --> 00:24:24.376
land it's vital foundation for human

00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:26.296
wellbeing and we and we all know that

00:24:26.320 --> 00:24:28.135
and we know know that residents are

00:24:28.159 --> 00:24:31.159
constantly telling us that. So this is a

00:24:31.600 --> 00:24:33.496
is a golden opportunity by allowing this

00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:35.576
land to use for another better use like

00:24:35.600 --> 00:24:37.736
potentially more housing. We can take

00:24:37.760 --> 00:24:39.895
the funds generated reinvest them into

00:24:39.919 --> 00:24:42.216
the thing the community is asking for us

00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.240
desperately in this area. Um

00:24:46.320 --> 00:24:48.376
that and it it just makes sure that

00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:50.376
we're strategically taking money and

00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.400
using locally. Um, finally I have to add

00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.496
that our foundation documents, the

00:24:55.520 --> 00:24:58.296
public ground strategy from 2010,

00:24:58.320 --> 00:25:00.936
Australia's for open space from 2013 are

00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.736
way overdue for update. Um, and these

00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:05.336
documents themselves are immediately

00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:08.135
reviewed every 3 to 5 years. Um, and our

00:25:08.159 --> 00:25:11.159
draft housing strategy from 2024 further

00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:13.976
underscores that with the need of of

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.000
having an open space space strategy. Um,

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.816
so a further several years it's coming.

00:25:19.840 --> 00:25:21.576
that's coming, but I can't wait any

00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:23.096
longer. We really need to see the

00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:24.936
strategy in front of us to make sure

00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.736
that our actions are really being

00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:29.336
planned for and representing the needs

00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:30.696
of the community.

00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.135
Thank you, councellor Healey. Council

00:25:32.159 --> 00:25:33.336
Hopper is the second.

00:25:33.360 --> 00:25:35.816
Thank you. Um, look, I'd really echo um

00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:37.416
everything that councellor Healey has

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.176
just said and I think when you're making

00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.135
a decision like this to let go of any

00:25:42.159 --> 00:25:44.456
community infrastructure, although it is

00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.535
a very sound decision, you need to sort

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.559
of think about where will people

00:25:49.840 --> 00:25:51.895
find other community infrastructure or

00:25:51.919 --> 00:25:54.696
open space to make use of. The report

00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.416
does list at point 28 um some

00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:59.176
suggestions for that. It says while

00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.096
projected population growth may increase

00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:03.336
demand for local services in the future.

00:26:03.360 --> 00:26:05.736
It then lists a series of existing

00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:08.760
facilities um all but one of those

00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.336
existing facilities are actually in

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:13.576
grant um only one of those existing

00:26:13.600 --> 00:26:16.376
facilities is in South which is the Turk

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.255
Sierra Library. Now, our community has

00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.895
most recently demonstrated its very

00:26:21.919 --> 00:26:23.416
strong support for 20-minute

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.056
neighborhood planning principles um

00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:27.655
through our community vision

00:26:27.679 --> 00:26:30.376
deliberative engagement process. Um you

00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.456
know, we're quite neck in that the

00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.216
deliberative engagement panel sort of

00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.376
said very actively they wanted 20-minute

00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.255
neighborhood principles reflected in our

00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.255
community vision moving forward. You

00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.576
don't see that in every council area.

00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:45.736
And so I think that that's a reflection

00:26:45.760 --> 00:26:47.736
of the fact that people, you know, want

00:26:47.760 --> 00:26:50.760
to be able to access the infrastructure

00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:52.856
and the services and amenities that they

00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.255
need close to where they live that they

00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:56.936
don't want to have to drive through

00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.960
them. Um and so we have to make sure

00:27:00.320 --> 00:27:03.255
that any replacement infrastructure or

00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.279
open space um that you know is put in

00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:10.120
place as a result of this disposal um is

00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:13.176
in the South Yara area um rather than

00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.895
assuming that South residents can easily

00:27:15.919 --> 00:27:18.775
travel um to or to another part of the

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.696
Stockington community in order to meet

00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.015
their community infrastructure and open

00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.576
space needs. Um, as councellor Neely

00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:27.576
said, you know, we together represent

00:27:27.600 --> 00:27:29.655
South Yara. Um, she has the name South

00:27:29.679 --> 00:27:32.135
Yara, but Como Waters are reflected in

00:27:32.159 --> 00:27:35.159
many council meetings previously has um

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.176
some of the greatest densification of

00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.096
anywhere in the municipality. Um you

00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:41.416
know we have extraordinarily large

00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.440
apartment developments um in Ko ward and

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.296
people who live in those apartment

00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:48.856
developments um you know do not have

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.416
their own open space um to make use of

00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.895
or if they do it's often very small um

00:27:53.919 --> 00:27:56.216
they have very limited communal indoor

00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.240
space to make use of. And so identifying

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.496
appropriate spaces that they can go to

00:28:01.520 --> 00:28:03.816
and make use of um whether they be

00:28:03.840 --> 00:28:05.496
outdoor or whether they be community

00:28:05.520 --> 00:28:08.135
infrastructure is so important. And as

00:28:08.159 --> 00:28:11.015
council has highlighted, our existing

00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.039
documents I think only identify two 

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.640
potential locations in South Yara um for

00:28:17.679 --> 00:28:20.135
open space and given the densification

00:28:20.159 --> 00:28:22.056
in South Yara and the number of people

00:28:22.080 --> 00:28:23.976
who don't have access to their own

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.895
private open space that just isn't good

00:28:25.919 --> 00:28:28.296
enough um and we need to identify more

00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:31.320
opportunities for open space in South

00:28:31.360 --> 00:28:34.360
Alm. Thank you. You timed it perfectly.

00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:35.816
Are there any other speakers to the

00:28:35.840 --> 00:28:38.456
motion before us? councellor Hilly, are

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.976
you happy for me to put the motion? I'll

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.456
now put the motion. All those in favor?

00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.375
That motion is carried unanimously. Are

00:28:44.399 --> 00:28:46.456
we having a dream right council? Let's

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.696
see how we go with the next motion. All

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.720
right. Item 8.4 proposed leases for 72

00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:55.096
and 74 Bowen Street Mine and 136 Water

00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:58.056
Tree Road Molvin.  we have an officer

00:28:58.080 --> 00:28:59.015
recommendation and alternate

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:00.616
recommendation which I see council step

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:02.375
in office is rising to move. And do I

00:29:02.399 --> 00:29:04.216
have a second? I'm going to I'm going to

00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:05.816
request that we split the

00:29:05.840 --> 00:29:07.496
recommendations into two.

00:29:07.520 --> 00:29:08.296
All right.

00:29:08.320 --> 00:29:10.216
Two separate sides of the

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.375
if you wish to accept that.

00:29:12.399 --> 00:29:13.576
I do that. Yes.

00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:16.216
Great. Um therefore I ask that we defer

00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.240
decision related to 72 to 74 street for

00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.616
one site.

00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.640
All right. Okay. Do I have a second?

00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:25.736
Yes. All right. councellor Steph.

00:29:25.760 --> 00:29:26.856
Thank you. There have been some

00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.216
discussions and I wasn't at the briefing

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:29.736
and a number of councils were at the

00:29:29.760 --> 00:29:31.416
last briefing to talk about this site

00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.096
and I think we would like some

00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:36.120
additional time to discuss the potential

00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.336
um use or future of this site. Um again

00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:41.416
there's no hurry and I think that giving

00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.056
us some of the for won't change it.

00:29:44.080 --> 00:29:46.456
Thank you councellor Steph council hopper

00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.336
um councel to join today. Thank you,

00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:51.895
Mayor. Look, I agree  with council

00:29:51.919 --> 00:29:54.919
stress on this. Um but I'm disappointed

00:29:56.080 --> 00:29:57.736
it'll be one cycle because I won't be

00:29:57.760 --> 00:29:58.216
here.

00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.576
Can we make it two? Um

00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:02.056
I'm happy to make it two cycles. Council

00:30:02.080 --> 00:30:05.080
that would be happy if the officers that

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.296
cycles that decision.

00:30:08.320 --> 00:30:10.216
I think we need to hurry. And I might

00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.240
also suggest if I may that um council

00:30:13.760 --> 00:30:16.616
should have a visit at B Street before

00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.616
we make a decision on this because

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.775
councellor Humphre and I went down there

00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.736
on Thursday and were quite impressed

00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:26.616
with how it's running and how it looks

00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.375
and how long it perhaps should stay

00:30:28.399 --> 00:30:31.255
there. So I don't mean to prejudice the

00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.496
discussion but

00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:35.496
response

00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:37.096
for everybody to see it.

00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:38.375
Thank you councellor Davis. All right.

00:30:38.399 --> 00:30:40.696
So, it's going to be for two cycles now.

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.456
Um, it's agreed with a move in a second.

00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.456
Other speakers to the motion for

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.176
deferral for two cycles? No. C obviously

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.696
committed to the motion. All those in

00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.456
favor of deferral for two cycles. Thank

00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:51.336
you.

00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:54.135
, we now move to the second part of

00:30:54.159 --> 00:30:54.696
the motion.

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:55.895
Thank you, Mayor. So, I have an

00:30:55.919 --> 00:30:57.336
alternative recommendation which I'm

00:30:57.360 --> 00:30:58.775
hoping will be up on the screen. Yes,

00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:59.176
there it is.

00:30:59.200 --> 00:30:59.976
And there it is.

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.000
Thank you.  this is to um apply for a

00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:06.600
demolition permit for 1364 road and note

00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.176
that council receive further report

00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.416
March 2026 on the outcome of that

00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.416
application.

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.440
Try to second

00:31:17.919 --> 00:31:20.919
who is the council

00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:24.120
I'll go with councellor Davis you first

00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.535
mix it around tonight. councellor Davis

00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:27.895
is the second up.

00:31:27.919 --> 00:31:29.816
Thank you Mayor. Um, this is in relation

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.840
to a site that's in my ward. Um, and ,

00:31:34.320 --> 00:31:35.895
Maple has terminated their lease, which

00:31:35.919 --> 00:31:38.456
is great. , it's a little tiny site.

00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.255
It's covered by Joe. Um, so we'll need

00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.015
to apply for a demolition permit. The

00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.895
exercises to try and develop some public

00:31:45.919 --> 00:31:47.255
open space at that southern end of

00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.976
Glenfrey Road. Um if you're at that

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.000
interfere road um nestled between Malvern

00:31:54.080 --> 00:31:55.816
central to the west and Cabrina to the

00:31:55.840 --> 00:31:58.135
east there is no real open space unless

00:31:58.159 --> 00:31:59.736
you're going to sit in a cafe or unless

00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:01.895
you go to sit on a park bench or on high

00:32:01.919 --> 00:32:04.616
street um and unlike at this end of

00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.135
Glenfree Road where there is the public

00:32:06.159 --> 00:32:08.456
square across the road um there isn't

00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.135
anywhere public space that you can sit

00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:12.535
at down there the glimp road so I'm

00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.559
seeking um council's um

00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.696


00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.576
hope that we might progress a possible

00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:23.895
demolition of the of the site. If the

00:32:23.919 --> 00:32:25.495
demolition fails, then the report will

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.495
come back to council as I said no later

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.895
March 226 and then we can make a further

00:32:29.919 --> 00:32:32.216
decision upon them. But initially I

00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.616
would like to see this um developed into

00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.255
some sort of intimate open space for our

00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:38.775
community to enjoy.

00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:40.216
Thank you councellor Stefanopoulos.

00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.135
councellor Davis

00:32:42.159 --> 00:32:45.159
may thank you. Um just to add to that um

00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.655
my initial concern when I read the the

00:32:49.679 --> 00:32:52.679
confidential  briefing attachment I

00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.135
don't know how much I can quote from

00:32:54.159 --> 00:32:55.736
this given it's confidential

00:32:55.760 --> 00:32:56.375
very little

00:32:56.399 --> 00:32:59.176
just yet suffice to say I think that um

00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.200
the consultant who um  looked at this

00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:04.456
property

00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.096
council  was not a structural engineer

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:09.336
for example and I think perhaps 

00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:09.816
something

00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:10.696
more information

00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.375
more information should should be

00:33:12.399 --> 00:33:14.135
obtained before we make any decisions.

00:33:14.159 --> 00:33:16.535
about a future use of it in its current

00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.936
condition. I think that probably covers

00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.960
my concerns. Um and  leave it at that.

00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:23.736
Thank you.

00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:25.096
All right. Thank you, councellor Davis.

00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:26.616
Are the speakers to the motion before

00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.640
us? councellor St. councellor Hilly.

00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:33.080
Yeah. Um I um appreciate the enthusiasm

00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.880
of changing this to um digital space

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.559
talked about um I feel like it's

00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.736
potentially premature because of

00:33:45.760 --> 00:33:48.456
estimated demolition conversion cost

00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.336
being about $178,000.

00:33:51.360 --> 00:33:54.360
Um whereas if we

00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.655
leased it out and apparently we do have

00:33:57.679 --> 00:33:59.176
people that are interested in leasing it

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.495
from us um then we would have to pay

00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.375
that $178,000 estimated price that would

00:34:04.399 --> 00:34:06.535
have some revenue for a period of time

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.776
whilst potentially at the same time

00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.176
demolition whilst potentially looking at

00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:12.855
costing things up and finding

00:34:12.879 --> 00:34:15.879
appropriate funding for them. Um I don't

00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:17.736
think there's an emergency in converting

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.760
this to open space or to

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.280
at this time. So I think that it may be

00:34:25.040 --> 00:34:26.936
prudent to follow the office

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.960
recommendation on this component.

00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.456
other speakers to the motion. Council

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:33.335
Humphre.

00:34:33.359 --> 00:34:36.359
 in that same vein, I did  go down

00:34:36.399 --> 00:34:38.375
the route of having a look at the

00:34:38.399 --> 00:34:40.696
economics of of being a commercial

00:34:40.720 --> 00:34:43.720
landlord as a council and um I do hear

00:34:45.919 --> 00:34:47.895
councellor Hilly's sentiment in that it

00:34:47.919 --> 00:34:50.615
is seemingly a lot of money up front.

00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.256
However, the overall return to council

00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.536
from renting it out and being a

00:34:54.560 --> 00:34:56.855
commercial landlord is almost negligible

00:34:56.879 --> 00:34:58.456
based on information without going into

00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:59.575
the numbers because part of it's

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.656
confidential, part of it's not. And so,

00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:03.335
we're essentially just kicking the can

00:35:03.359 --> 00:35:06.216
further down the road. Um, I do have

00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:08.856
personally a desire to increase the open

00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.416
space within the City in all parts of

00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.736
the City and this is potentially a nice

00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.656
easy lowhanging piece of fruit touch

00:35:15.680 --> 00:35:18.680
wood um to go down that route. So I'm

00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.496
happy to to support this this

00:35:21.520 --> 00:35:22.376
discussion.

00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.136
Thank you councellor Humphre. Um speakers

00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:24.856
council

00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.416
look just briefly to um echo what

00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.335
council Humphre has said and I think

00:35:29.359 --> 00:35:32.359
that um you know perhaps if a shorter

00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:37.335
lease um had been suggested like I might

00:35:37.359 --> 00:35:40.359
have been more considerate of it um

00:35:40.560 --> 00:35:43.416
because I do you know acknowledge um

00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.335
what councellor Healey is saying with

00:35:45.359 --> 00:35:48.359
regard to funding the demolition um but

00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.335
I just don't think that the economic

00:35:51.359 --> 00:35:53.416
benefit of a lease

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.136
stacks up against the fact that council

00:35:56.160 --> 00:35:59.160
has a desire to see this site better

00:35:59.359 --> 00:36:02.359
utilized um and executing a lease of up

00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.119
to 5 years isn't acting on that desire

00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.896
um is keeping a very long way down the

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.920
road um and so yeah I I can't support a

00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:17.640
lease of that length um given that we

00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:21.160
have such a longheld desire um to do

00:36:21.200 --> 00:36:23.095
something for meaningful at that

00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.216
location.

00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:25.575
Thank you, Council Hopper. Other

00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:26.936
speakers, councellor Chattery.

00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.256
 just um quick one just to add to

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.496
council Hopper's point to the short

00:36:31.520 --> 00:36:33.256
lease. I think um might have been

00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.335
different conversation, but um I know

00:36:35.359 --> 00:36:37.736
that area quite well. I um spent a few

00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.055
years living down on Model Tree Road and

00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.536
um on reflection and going understanding

00:36:42.560 --> 00:36:44.136
and getting to know our municipality

00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:46.616
quite well. that area around that fairy

00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:49.496
walk road has seen literally no change

00:36:49.520 --> 00:36:52.055
whatsoever in terms of new park open

00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.079
space and I think um there is a lot of

00:36:55.680 --> 00:36:58.216
car parking in the area. Um that site

00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:00.055
particularly um the Royal Nut Company

00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.536
has been there forever. Um I just would

00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:05.560
like to see some something

00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.079
interesting and um us to future proof

00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.176
the site to something that will change

00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:13.896
actually um in the foreseeable future.

00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.575
And I think our community will

00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.296
appreciate our fullsided thinking um to

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.896
do that conversion like we've done in

00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.920
Mount Street and other um areas. So

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.536
thank you councellor Stephan police for

00:37:26.560 --> 00:37:28.696
um your opportunity.

00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:30.776
Um and just as someone who also Oh sorry

00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.800
K question speak again.

00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.376
Okay.  I just through you I'd like to

00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.176
ask planning manager um who actually is

00:37:39.200 --> 00:37:42.200
responsible for issuing a um demolition

00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:45.640
permit well initially

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.376
permit because it actually is heritage

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:49.976
overlay.

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.000
Okay. So, um

00:37:56.640 --> 00:37:59.640
we'll have to take that out manager,

00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:03.160
govern manager can help you.

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.599
Yeah.

00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.176
Which is extraordinary in itself.

00:38:11.200 --> 00:38:13.496
Well, , so I just wonder as someone

00:38:13.520 --> 00:38:15.335
who's represented that area for, um,

00:38:15.359 --> 00:38:17.416
over two decades, it would be lovely to

00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.176
see, I call it a pause point cuz it's

00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:20.856
not a big piece of space, but I think it

00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.936
would be somewhere, as you've

00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.616
acknowledged, nothing has really evolved

00:38:24.640 --> 00:38:26.376
there for a long time, and it's a nice

00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.456
little spot there. Hopefully, not to be

00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.480
taken over by nearby um, restaurants,

00:38:32.240 --> 00:38:34.936
but , certainly be a nice refreshing

00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.896
pause for the locals. So I concur with

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.136
your um alternative to council

00:38:40.160 --> 00:38:41.896
Stefanopoulos. So are there any other

00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.216
speakers? There being none over to you.

00:38:44.240 --> 00:38:46.216
Nothing to now put it to the vote. All

00:38:46.240 --> 00:38:48.376
those in favor.

00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.216
All those against. The motion is

00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:52.616
carried. Thank you. And we do it all.

00:38:52.640 --> 00:38:54.616
Thanks Zavia. All those in favor

00:38:54.640 --> 00:38:56.936
councellor Humphre, councellor Chhatery,

00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:58.696
Council Stefanopoulos, councellor Bell,

00:38:58.720 --> 00:39:00.136
Council Herbert, councellor Casaris,

00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:01.896
Council Davis, Council S, and all those

00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.920
against councellor Healey. All right. We

00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:09.160
now move to 8.5 the Elizabeth Street car

00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:11.176
park project.  we have an officer

00:39:11.200 --> 00:39:13.256
recommendation and not a councellor

00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.280
Healey just had her hand. You're moving

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.320
recommendation. councellor Hilly.

00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:22.680
All right. Do I have a second?

00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.079
councellor Casaris. councellor Hilly.

00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:30.200
Thank you. Um so the recommendation for

00:39:30.560 --> 00:39:33.560
the Elizabeth Street parking project. Um

00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.256
so the first trial was considered

00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.335
success and this recommendation provides

00:39:39.359 --> 00:39:42.359
a sustainable way to continue that

00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.376
success. So the trial really

00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.776
demonstrated a positive impact on the

00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.335
ground market. We saw a lot of positive

00:39:49.359 --> 00:39:50.856
response from the market users and

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.880
attendants  with 96% of the council

00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.776
response um response supporting

00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.416
initiative um and an average market

00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.440
traffic increasing by about 17%.

00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.176
um and also increasing the average dwell

00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:07.976
time um by about 2 minutes. So these

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.896
aren't just numbers, they also represent

00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.920
a really vibrant bustling community that

00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.016
we all really value. And I was at the

00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:16.936
market as we can saw firsthand this

00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.095
incredible atmosphere that a thriving

00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.736
market for thriving really creates where

00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.055
it's a space where children elderly and

00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.216
families and dogs who are all there

00:40:26.240 --> 00:40:29.016
enjoying music and the social connection

00:40:29.040 --> 00:40:30.776
um in the market square. It's a kind of

00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.616
community hub that we dream of

00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:35.016
replicating elsewhere and we have an

00:40:35.040 --> 00:40:37.575
obligation to to help this one really

00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.456
thrive. Um so the office recommendation

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.696
of a 1 hour free parking solution on

00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:44.856
market market days just in a in a set

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.256
period of time in the mornings um via a

00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.055
validation process. So you pay 20 bucks

00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.079
and you get a validation ticket um is a

00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.736
practical and um financially self

00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.656
compromise. So the system has a clear

00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:00.616
benefit. It directly links free parking

00:41:00.640 --> 00:41:02.376
to a purchase in the market and ensures

00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.295
the benefit goes to the market can be

00:41:04.319 --> 00:41:07.256
tracked. And this model while estimated

00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.656
to result in revenue loss for a six

00:41:09.680 --> 00:41:12.536
month period is offset by savings and

00:41:12.560 --> 00:41:14.776
our insurance premium cost. And this is

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:16.776
a strategic way to manage the financial

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.176
impact especially in light of the state

00:41:19.200 --> 00:41:21.256
government congestion levy um that

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.176
threatens the viability of all of our

00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:25.575
paid parking facilities. The proposed

00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:27.416
solution provides a clear benefit to

00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.416
market customers and traders while also

00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:30.936
allowing us to mitigate some of the

00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.416
financial pressures that we face. Um the

00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.335
recommendation here is about parking.

00:41:35.359 --> 00:41:36.696
It's about supporting our local

00:41:36.720 --> 00:41:38.376
businesses and fostering a really

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.696
vibrant inclusive community space that's

00:41:40.720 --> 00:41:42.456
the heart of our municipality and I

00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.480
really support urges recommendation.

00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.335
Thank you councellor Hilly. councellor

00:41:47.359 --> 00:41:48.216
Crosis.

00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:49.896
Thank you Mayor. I raised my hand to

00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.055
second this not as enthusiastically as

00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.136
councellor Healey but but I don't

00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:57.160
disagree with anything that she said. My

00:41:57.359 --> 00:41:59.095
hesitation, if you want to call it that,

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.176
is that look, I've over the years the

00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:03.976
market has asked council hundreds of

00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.776
times um for something like this. And I

00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.536
have been one of those councellors that

00:42:08.560 --> 00:42:11.095
hasn't been on board with that. um

00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.736
mainly because we don't have data. We

00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:15.815
don't have sufficient data to

00:42:15.839 --> 00:42:18.295
demonstrate satisfactory

00:42:18.319 --> 00:42:21.319
what the impact of um a parking

00:42:22.160 --> 00:42:25.160
dispensation like this actually has on

00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.736
numbers of people coming, increasing

00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.815
spend, increasing dwell time, what have

00:42:29.839 --> 00:42:32.216
you. But I guess how can the market

00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:34.295
obtain that data unless they have a

00:42:34.319 --> 00:42:37.176
trial period to give that a go. So that

00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:40.200
is to be frank the only reason why I am

00:42:40.240 --> 00:42:42.856
agreeing with this tonight is because I

00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.856
think let's put this to rest once and

00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.880
for all get the data um so then we can

00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.295
put something more permanent in place

00:42:50.319 --> 00:42:51.976
whether it is something like this

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.496
something completely different or

00:42:53.520 --> 00:42:55.095
nothing at all and revert it back to the

00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.119
way it was. My skepticism comes from the

00:42:58.400 --> 00:42:59.976
fact that I I go to the market very

00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.000
regularly every 1 to two weeks. Um and I

00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:04.456
think it's hustling and bustling. It's

00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.376
looking better than it ever has in my

00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.335
living memory. Um it's definitely become

00:43:09.359 --> 00:43:12.359
such a hub and that's credit to um the

00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.880
board um the the the manager, the

00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.815
general manager um and of course the

00:43:17.839 --> 00:43:20.055
traders. But when I speak to people in

00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.079
the community um and I ask them why they

00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:24.856
don't go to the market, when they tell

00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.616
me that they don't go, it's always

00:43:26.640 --> 00:43:28.696
because they tell me that it's very

00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:30.536
expensive and they're not talking about

00:43:30.560 --> 00:43:32.776
the parking. They're talking about the

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.416
food and the produce. It is seen as a

00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.416
very expensive market and it is an

00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.496
expensive market. Good thing is to hit

00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:42.520
that $20 limit is not going to take

00:43:45.839 --> 00:43:48.536
a small I feel at stake for about $15.

00:43:48.560 --> 00:43:50.536
Just one parking myself the other day,

00:43:50.560 --> 00:43:53.560
you know? I mean, so I I truly have

00:43:53.839 --> 00:43:56.136
never had it said to me in my age

00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:58.136
demographic that they don't go because

00:43:58.160 --> 00:44:00.376
they have to pay for parking. It just

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.400
isn't what what I hear. Doesn't mean

00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.176
that I know what this data is going to

00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:07.896
tell us. I haven't got a clue, but I

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.136
want that data. I want us to know and

00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:11.896
for the market board to also have that

00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:13.976
clear picture. Um so that like I said,

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.295
we can put this to rest one way or the

00:44:16.319 --> 00:44:19.319
other. Um so please market um get what

00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:21.896
we need get the most out of this

00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.216
opportunity because um if for some

00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:26.616
reason we don't get enough data or

00:44:26.640 --> 00:44:28.936
whatever it is I'd be very reluctant to

00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.696
support the continuation of something

00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:32.696
like this in such a cost constrained

00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:34.456
environment where you see our next two

00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.480
agenda items um we are making cuts and

00:44:37.520 --> 00:44:39.335
we're making cuts everywhere but here we

00:44:39.359 --> 00:44:41.656
are allowing very significant um you

00:44:41.680 --> 00:44:43.896
know dispensation. Thank you, councellor

00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.815
Para. Other speakers to the motion.

00:44:45.839 --> 00:44:46.856
Council, please.

00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:48.216
Thank you. May I wish to foreshadow

00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:50.616
officer recommendation which is slightly

00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:52.536
different um which all council would

00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:55.560
have seen. Um my issue with this is that

00:44:56.319 --> 00:44:59.319
 there are thousands of other

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.136
businesses in the Chapel Street precinct

00:45:02.160 --> 00:45:04.456
that will not benefit from this

00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.016
whatsoever. It's actually doing it's

00:45:07.040 --> 00:45:09.176
going to be worse for them. So the

00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:12.200
initial trial benefited all businesses

00:45:12.319 --> 00:45:14.536
of the precinct and now this trial will

00:45:14.560 --> 00:45:17.335
benefit just one which happens to be

00:45:17.359 --> 00:45:19.896
owned by this council. Talk about

00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.376
nepotism here. Talk about trying to line

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.256
our own pockets here. I find this quite

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.416
extraordinary. There are a number of

00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.416
issues with this. Forget the fact that

00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.896
we've now got a congestion about to be

00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.216
thrust upon us and we have to find that

00:45:34.240 --> 00:45:37.240
money to pay for this. forget the fact

00:45:37.680 --> 00:45:40.376
that the um usage of the car park

00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.335
despite the costs going up has actually

00:45:43.359 --> 00:45:45.656
pretty much stabilized

00:45:45.680 --> 00:45:47.416
despite the fact that one my one of my

00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.496
fellow councils who said we don't really

00:45:49.520 --> 00:45:50.936
hear people complaining about car

00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.016
parking being issued it isn't what I

00:45:53.040 --> 00:45:55.335
hear what I hear is that the market is

00:45:55.359 --> 00:45:57.256
expensive and I say them you know why

00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.416
it's expensive because the product is

00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.216
fantastic the service is great and what

00:46:02.240 --> 00:46:04.536
you get there is bloody brilliant much

00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:05.815
better anywhere else and when I had

00:46:05.839 --> 00:46:06.936
visitors here the other week from

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.696
Chicago. We went to the Queen Vic

00:46:08.720 --> 00:46:10.216
market, then we went to the Piran

00:46:10.240 --> 00:46:12.376
market. Guess which they prefer to go to

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.456
with me saying absolutely nothing. It

00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.616
was our market because of the quality

00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:19.640
and what you get there. So, we are all

00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:22.456
very proud of that. This is just a rot

00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.136
as far as I'm concerned. This will do

00:46:24.160 --> 00:46:27.160
absolutely nothing to show support for

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.256
the market. The statistics that came

00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.736
back from the market were negligible.

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:33.656
Dwell time for 2 minutes. Give me a

00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:35.335
break. It took me 2 minutes to walk from

00:46:35.359 --> 00:46:37.016
the end of the corridor. That's not

00:46:37.040 --> 00:46:39.656
quantitative um data. That's pathetic.

00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:42.055
So, and now we're going to ask our

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.079
community to forego something like $50

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.095
$60,000

00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:48.936
when we're asking our community, we've

00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.776
just put up fees and charges for

00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.416
multiple different um u community

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.896
facilities, our swimming pools, the golf

00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.920
course, um immunization, all those child

00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:01.335
care, have all gone up. But suddenly

00:47:01.359 --> 00:47:03.575
we're going to give businesses that

00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.216
happen to be renting from us who are

00:47:06.240 --> 00:47:08.776
making their own money and we're going

00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.256
to give them money. This sounds

00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.095
outrageous, folks. Absolutely

00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.496
outrageous. I've had enough of

00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:17.815
businesses crying poor and now we're

00:47:17.839 --> 00:47:20.839
going to give one small cohort out of

00:47:21.040 --> 00:47:22.696
the thousands along Chapel Street,

00:47:22.720 --> 00:47:24.456
Commercial Road, Touro, Rebel Street,

00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.480
and Derek Keep going nothing. But we're

00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.416
going to give the brand market

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.440
everything it wants. Absolutely no way.

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:34.456
Thank you, councellor Stefanopoulos.

00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.536
Other speakers to the motion.

00:47:36.560 --> 00:47:37.815
councellor Humphre and councellor

00:47:37.839 --> 00:47:38.536
Chhatery.

00:47:38.560 --> 00:47:40.216
Um

00:47:40.240 --> 00:47:41.815
there's been quite a bit said in in this

00:47:41.839 --> 00:47:44.839
debate so far and

00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.896
to to the data that has been provided to

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.616
us. Um I think what is clear is a couple

00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:52.376
of things that have come out this way is

00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.095
people do love going to brand market.

00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:56.696
However, we are in a very cost

00:47:56.720 --> 00:47:58.856
constrained environment.

00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.575
Um, while I'm inclined to support the

00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.136
office's recommendation on this, I am

00:48:04.160 --> 00:48:06.376
cognizant of some of the points probably

00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.095
a little in a different vice to council

00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.119
Stefanopoulos in that there does come a

00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:15.335
point particularly in which it would be

00:48:15.359 --> 00:48:18.136
good if prayer market starts looking at

00:48:18.160 --> 00:48:20.776
becoming a return to Stonnington as

00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.335
opposed to um constantly coming and

00:48:23.359 --> 00:48:25.815
asking for additional support um to step

00:48:25.839 --> 00:48:27.976
off's point. There are a lot of

00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.256
businesses in our municipality. We have

00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.176
to be cognizant of that. The brand

00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:33.335
market is a great product and their

00:48:33.359 --> 00:48:34.936
strategy and the CEO and the team and

00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.335
the board have done a tremendous amount

00:48:37.359 --> 00:48:40.359
of work to turn around the market and

00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.016
then overcome co and put it on the right

00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:45.575
pathway. What naturally follows heading

00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.256
on the right pathway is starting to

00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.736
return money to the shareholder which is

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.456
the residents of the street.

00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.856
Thank you councellor H. councellor Chery.

00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.880
Um I just wanted to add um  a point

00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:01.079
about the um  council's point about my

00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:05.016
support for this will be based on the

00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:07.256
fact that this is going to allow us to

00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.280
track  data spend and numbers. Um I do

00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:13.896
acknowledge what um councellor Stephan

00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.920
has said. I I do think that I'm hoping

00:49:17.680 --> 00:49:20.680
that in our ability to  make people

00:49:21.520 --> 00:49:24.295
spend up to $20 and park for 1 hour free

00:49:24.319 --> 00:49:26.936
that they end up overstacking and

00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.616
spending more money in the precinct and

00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:30.936
attracting not locals who walk or use

00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.575
public transport but bring visitation

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.216
from outside of the municipality. Um I

00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:39.240
do recognize that um Pan Market and

00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:41.095
potentially maybe South Melbourne is the

00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.815
closest competitor that we we'd love to

00:49:43.839 --> 00:49:46.055
bring people to the southside even from

00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.079
North Side and others. Um and I'm hoping

00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.656
that if the market management and the

00:49:51.680 --> 00:49:54.680
traders are able to market and go nuts

00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.656
with their social media on this trial

00:49:57.680 --> 00:50:00.376
that it really shows the evidence that

00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.400
this is working. if we get the the data

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.920
that we just got, I I I don't think I

00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:10.040
would support this ongoing. Um, but also

00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.936
acknowledge that a lot of our other

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.496
public markets do have free parking,

00:50:15.520 --> 00:50:18.520
early bird. So we're we are as council

00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.575
Healey put we want to incentivize people

00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.599
to come um and we do want um to support

00:50:25.200 --> 00:50:26.856
the market and it's doing some

00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.880
incredible things but this trial should

00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.400
really be um a big wakeup call and

00:50:33.680 --> 00:50:36.680
pressure on the market and traders to to

00:50:37.359 --> 00:50:40.359
 demonstrate to us whether this is

00:50:40.640 --> 00:50:42.616
going to work or not. Um and and

00:50:42.640 --> 00:50:44.295
longterm like what are we looking at

00:50:44.319 --> 00:50:46.776
with all the changes with the congestion

00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.016
in our parking site. So yeah, that's all

00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:49.656
I wanted to say.

00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:51.176
Thank you councellor Ch. Other speakers

00:50:51.200 --> 00:50:54.055
to the motion. Council Hopper. I find

00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.079
this a really difficult one. Um I

00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.936
think the addition of ticket validation

00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.416
um is a positive step um and

00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.896
demonstrates that people are using the

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.896
market in getting the free parking. So

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.920
that is a good thing. I find it really

00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.440
challenging um to have on the one hand

00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:17.256
in this report a statement that we've

00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.280
identified $123,000

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.400
over a 6 month period in order to

00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.760
subsidize people using cars and parking.

00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.575
Um when in the very next report that

00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.055
we're considering um we talk about the

00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:33.736
fact that we slashed our arts and

00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.616
culture grants by $200,000

00:51:36.640 --> 00:51:39.335
um in the recent budget round. I think

00:51:39.359 --> 00:51:41.256
we have to reflect seriously on what

00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.280
that says about our priorities. Um if

00:51:44.640 --> 00:51:47.640
you know we're encouraging people to,

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.000
you know, get cars instead of funding

00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.216
the arts and culture.

00:51:54.240 --> 00:51:57.095
Yes, traders at Grand Market, you know,

00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.736
deserve support. The artists in our

00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.136
community also deserve support and they

00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:05.160
may not have as strong a microphone to

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.696
be able to speak to us about that.

00:52:08.720 --> 00:52:11.720
um as  that we own. Um I also find it

00:52:13.839 --> 00:52:16.616
problematic reading the comm's plan from

00:52:16.640 --> 00:52:19.640
the previous round of this where it

00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.815
states that with a letter box drop

00:52:21.839 --> 00:52:24.535
targeting people who live within 400 m

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.776
of the market and encouraging them to

00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:28.535
take up the free parking that we're

00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.256
offering. The very reason that the state

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.016
government has introduced the congestion

00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:35.976
levy which you know I I don't support.

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.976
by actively voting in favor of our

00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.896
advocacy against the congestion levy and

00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.216
its impact on our residents. But the

00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:45.016
very reason they've introduced it is to

00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:48.040
stop people taking unnecessary car trips

00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.696
to places that they could walk for or

00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:53.720
use active or public transport to. What

00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.496
are we doing? Encouraging people who

00:52:55.520 --> 00:52:58.055
live within 400 m of the market to get

00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.216
in their car and drive there and then

00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:02.216
using rate payers money to subsidize

00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:04.055
them doing so. like that makes no sense

00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.079
to me at all. Um, so I find those things

00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:12.040
problematic in terms of our priorities.

00:53:13.359 --> 00:53:16.055
Um, I accept the arguments that are

00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:17.896
being made about getting worthwhile

00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:19.976
data. I accept that this gives us 6

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.696
months to see how it travels and come

00:53:22.720 --> 00:53:25.176
back and make a decision later. Um, but

00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:27.095
there's just a few too many things that

00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.095
don't quite stack up for me.

00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:30.856
Thank you, Council. Other speakers,

00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.176
Council Bell. Thanks, Mayor. , I won't

00:53:33.200 --> 00:53:35.976
add um too much more other than I think

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:37.496
it's been interesting to hear what

00:53:37.520 --> 00:53:39.656
people have said in the debate so far. I

00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:42.055
think it's coming through that we

00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.856
understand and we all love the idea that

00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.815
the market is um in our City. It

00:53:47.839 --> 00:53:50.616
contributes a great deal um culturally

00:53:50.640 --> 00:53:52.856
to our City. It's been around for a long

00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.936
time. We hope it's around for a lot

00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.335
longer.  there's been a lot of

00:53:57.359 --> 00:53:58.616
measures in the past that we've

00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:00.856
implemented to ensure that there's

00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.335
incentives through different me 

00:54:03.359 --> 00:54:05.256
different mechanisms

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.335
um which have been good some not so

00:54:07.359 --> 00:54:10.136
good. I think ultimately the market is

00:54:10.160 --> 00:54:12.856
will have to stand on its own two feet.

00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:14.856
Um I think it can do that. It's a great

00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.880
product. Listen to that today. It offers

00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:20.535
 something that no other market in

00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.559
Melbourne can offer. um its location in

00:54:23.839 --> 00:54:26.839
itself is um a significant offering um

00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.016
and it provides a lot to the community.

00:54:29.040 --> 00:54:31.095
I think when you reference that against

00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.656
this sum of money of $123,000 I think

00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:36.055
for me that's a bit of a sticking point

00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.776
when we talk about you know5 or $10,000

00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.136
being a lot of money and what we can do

00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:42.295
to reallocate that into other areas that

00:54:42.319 --> 00:54:44.535
we deem to be really important to the

00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.456
community. Now, I'm not saying this is

00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.295
not a worthwhile subsidization or

00:54:48.319 --> 00:54:50.295
whatever you want to call it, but it is

00:54:50.319 --> 00:54:51.976
a number that probably is a little bit

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.856
too large for my liking. Now, I'm still

00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:56.616
only canaring as to how I'm going to go

00:54:56.640 --> 00:54:58.295
with this one, but I am uncomfortable

00:54:58.319 --> 00:55:01.319
with that number. Um I know that it has

00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:03.575
you know there there are benefits that

00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.599
would come from um supporting this

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.376
um in terms of collecting data making

00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:11.976
better assumptions and implementing

00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.376
better measures to manage the precinct

00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.776
and in the market but I'm not convinced

00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.976
at this stage.

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.335
All right. Thank you councellor Bell.

00:55:19.359 --> 00:55:21.095
councellor Davis you're the last one

00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.456
apart from me.

00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.095
I think it's all been said um and well

00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:26.696
done to everybody for such a

00:55:26.720 --> 00:55:29.575
thoughtprovoking discussion. Um, at the

00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.736
end of the day, it's still our we're the

00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.760
landlords and  we we're committed to

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.880
see it succeed. Um, I think valid

00:55:38.640 --> 00:55:39.896
comments were made, particularly

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.920
councils, about um what we need evidence

00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:45.896
to see what has what this has achieved,

00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:48.920
has it worked, um, and who it reached.

00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.376
Um  the communications plan which

00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.400
councellor Hawker has referred to  I

00:55:55.680 --> 00:55:58.680
hope that the  next  rendition will

00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:02.200
be a lot more focused on more strategic

00:56:03.040 --> 00:56:06.040
ways to reach a different demographic.

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.535
Um  there are lot so many ways that

00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:10.535
can this can be done.  there are

00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.216
influencers like Jackie Felbat for

00:56:12.240 --> 00:56:14.456
example on 3W

00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.295
who you know there are ways to get to

00:56:16.319 --> 00:56:19.319
it's public relations 101. Um, and I

00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:20.936
just think there's a lot that could be

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.496
done in this space and I hope that

00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:25.896
they'll follow through on that.

00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.136
Thank you, councellor Davis. All right.

00:56:28.160 --> 00:56:29.815
Um, I'm not going to speak on the my

00:56:29.839 --> 00:56:31.815
item. councellor Hilly, over to you to

00:56:31.839 --> 00:56:33.656
respond to all the matters raised in the

00:56:33.680 --> 00:56:34.295
debate.

00:56:34.319 --> 00:56:36.616
Thank you. Yeah, it's been a really um

00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:38.216
good debate, lots of different

00:56:38.240 --> 00:56:40.456
perspectives. Um, I think you can

00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.775
conclude

00:56:42.799 --> 00:56:45.416
um that we need the data.

00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.976
So we really need to have the data from

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.295
the traders. We need to say see the

00:56:50.319 --> 00:56:53.319
sales impact of this trial. Um we need

00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.616
to have that in order to understand if

00:56:56.640 --> 00:56:58.376
if hopefully this does get accepted that

00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.335
that that the trial can continue. Um

00:57:01.359 --> 00:57:02.696
we've heard the points that we want to

00:57:02.720 --> 00:57:04.216
see visitors from outside the

00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:06.775
municipality. Um and ideally we can get

00:57:06.799 --> 00:57:08.216
information about how we're getting

00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:09.896
visitors from outside the municipality.

00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.256
I think we can get that through credit

00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.280
card data. Um I think it's important two

00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.480
ways that this is an anchor tenant of

00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.920
the branch street area. Um it's like

00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.960
Apple and Chaston. It's like the unique

00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.000
door in the City room. This is the proud

00:57:28.319 --> 00:57:30.055
market for Chap Street. This is an

00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.696
anchor tenant for drawing people into

00:57:32.720 --> 00:57:34.535
the area from other places around. So I

00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.559
think when the market thrives, Chapel

00:57:38.319 --> 00:57:40.936
Street thrives, commercial road thrives.

00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:42.936
Um so it's really important that we see

00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.960
it and invest in it and its importance.

00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:47.896
Um because this is also about supporting

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.216
market board who

00:57:50.240 --> 00:57:52.775
asked for more than what we're offering

00:57:52.799 --> 00:57:55.799
today. Um but we need to support the

00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.936
market and the turnaround of the market.

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.376
I think we're starting to see that click

00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.295
into here. We really want to see it

00:58:02.319 --> 00:58:05.016
thriving and it's still in that

00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:08.040
turnaround period. Um, and I just don't

00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.936
see a reason why we shouldn't be

00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.896
allowing this trial to go ahead with the

00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.496
provisions and the clear articulation

00:58:15.520 --> 00:58:17.176
that's being voiced around this table

00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:20.200
tonight to give it a chance to show that

00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.136
this could be really successful and it

00:58:24.160 --> 00:58:26.055
was really believe in the direction the

00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:27.815
market is going in.

00:58:27.839 --> 00:58:29.335
Thank you councellor Healey. The motion

00:58:29.359 --> 00:58:32.359
will now be put all those in favor.

00:58:33.040 --> 00:58:35.656
Are we voting on

00:58:35.680 --> 00:58:37.496
our packing? Um that the office of

00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:39.095
recommendation essentially. So all those

00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.119
in favor? All those against the motion

00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.896
is carried. So just to call out the

00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.256
name. So all those in favor, councellor

00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:46.856
Humphre, councellor Chery, councellor

00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:48.775
Hilly, councellor Casares, councellor

00:58:48.799 --> 00:58:51.016
Davis, councellor S. All those against

00:58:51.040 --> 00:58:52.616
councellor Stefanopoulos, councellor

00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:54.775
Hollow, and councellor Bell. Thank you

00:58:54.799 --> 00:58:57.799
councellors. We now move to item 8.5.

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.136
So 8.6 16 for a glass one. The annual

00:59:02.160 --> 00:59:04.936
arts and cultural grant program. Do I

00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.960
have noting we have an alternate um

00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:10.775
an amendment rather from councellor

00:59:10.799 --> 00:59:12.295
Humphre?

00:59:12.319 --> 00:59:15.319
councellor Humphre. Do I have a mover

00:59:15.359 --> 00:59:16.616
moving the officer recommendation?

00:59:16.640 --> 00:59:19.640
Officer recommendation.  seconded

00:59:20.150 --> 00:59:22.376
[Music]

00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.616
councellor Davis. All right over to

00:59:24.640 --> 00:59:25.896
councellor Steph.

00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.976
Thank you Mayor. Um  despite the fact

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.055
of my own colleague having a um an

00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:31.496
alternative recommendation, I'm just

00:59:31.520 --> 00:59:32.775
going with the office of recommendation.

00:59:32.799 --> 00:59:34.376
He's more than welcome to move an

00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.400
amendment if he wishes to. Um the 

00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.456
arts and cultural grant program pool has

00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.480
shrunk like the Jesus. I've never seen

00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.559
such a small pool of funds  for our

00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.960
arts and culture cultural community. But

00:59:52.720 --> 00:59:54.696
knowing full well that this council is

00:59:54.720 --> 00:59:56.936
constrained financially

00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:58.936
in some instances in some instances not

00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.295
depending on which entity you're talking

01:00:00.319 --> 01:00:03.319
about. Um that's a bit um that great um

01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.295
that in this instance there are staff

01:00:08.319 --> 01:00:11.016
that a great um sift through all the

01:00:11.040 --> 01:00:13.335
applications that have come through and

01:00:13.359 --> 01:00:15.976
have decided that recommended to us um

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:17.256
who should get some funding and who

01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.176
shouldn't and there are some some

01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:21.815
exciting new ideas and ventures in the

01:00:21.839 --> 01:00:23.575
program and there are some returning

01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:25.335
favorites. So some of the um outdoor

01:00:25.359 --> 01:00:27.095
stuff that's happening at Central Park

01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.936
which has happened before which is great

01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:30.856
to see. That's that's really really

01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.656
good. So um I'm always keen to see the

01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:35.736
arts and culture being developed and we

01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.055
are one of those inner City councils who

01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.696
loves to showcase the visual performing

01:00:40.720 --> 01:00:43.335
arts. So I'm all for this one.

01:00:43.359 --> 01:00:45.016
Thank you Council Steph. councellor

01:00:45.040 --> 01:00:47.896
Davis. Um I'll reserve my right to

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:48.775
speak.

01:00:48.799 --> 01:00:50.696
All right. Thank you. Other speakers to

01:00:50.720 --> 01:00:53.720
the motion council please like to move

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.095
an amendment please.

01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:56.456
Yes. And what's that amendment?

01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.480
 I would like to add in.3

01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:01.896
 to approve $10,000 in funding for

01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.920
application I D ACG392

01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.760
um coming from budget savings

01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:14.200
um the amount obviously noting that we

01:01:14.640 --> 01:01:16.775
have to deal with a confident

01:01:16.799 --> 01:01:18.936
confidential attachment. The reason is

01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.376
why we're talking about the idea of this

01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:20.775
one.

01:01:20.799 --> 01:01:22.055
All right. Thank you, council. Do you

01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.456
have a seconder for that amendment?

01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:26.856
Council Hill seconded that we'll deal

01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:28.616
with the amendment now. So, Council

01:01:28.640 --> 01:01:29.736
Humphre

01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.760
 just on this ID um and obviously

01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:34.295
noting that we can't talk about any

01:01:34.319 --> 01:01:35.976
specific application because it's in a

01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.736
confidential attachment which will make

01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.760
hopefully this amendment debate succinct

01:01:40.799 --> 01:01:43.799
for everyone watching at home. Um really

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.535
the the the merits of this application

01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:49.335
um the amount is in line with the I

01:01:49.359 --> 01:01:52.295
guess prorationed amounts given to the

01:01:52.319 --> 01:01:54.856
other grants within the application as

01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.575
for context of to why that amount was

01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.599
selected. Then in looking at applying

01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:03.640
this amount to the ID number is really

01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.295
looking at a municipalwide

01:02:06.319 --> 01:02:09.319
application. Um, as the  TAC ward

01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:12.696
counselor, I think it would be remiss

01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:15.016
not to emphasize that we have to

01:02:15.040 --> 01:02:17.815
represent the entire municipality and

01:02:17.839 --> 01:02:20.216
within my ward in particular, there

01:02:20.240 --> 01:02:23.240
aren't very many council assets and

01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.760
there are even fewer activation events.

01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:29.335
So on that basis that I do believe that

01:02:29.359 --> 01:02:31.176
there is merit in supporting this

01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:32.376
application item.

01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:35.400
Thank you. council council is the second

01:02:35.520 --> 01:02:38.520
um just supporting the idea that um a

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:41.976
thriving arts and culture scene should

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.456
perhaps be reflected the virtual parts

01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.480
of our City um and I very much as a

01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.616
former counselor that there is very

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:53.335
little that happens

01:02:53.359 --> 01:02:54.856
thank you councel I just love the

01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:57.656
cryptic message of this conversation

01:02:57.680 --> 01:02:59.896
we are talking all right so other

01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:01.335
speakers to the amendments or against

01:03:01.359 --> 01:03:03.815
council hopper Just very briefly, um I

01:03:03.839 --> 01:03:05.976
am going to support the amendment um

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.936
because  like councellor Humphre I do

01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.815
represent um part of um and I do think

01:03:11.839 --> 01:03:14.376
it's important um that we have a good

01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:15.815
representation of different parts of the

01:03:15.839 --> 01:03:18.136
municipality um in the arts and culture

01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:21.160
grants but I will just reflect that this

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.920
is the hard outcome of budget cuts um

01:03:25.680 --> 01:03:27.896
and we need to reflect on the fact that

01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.920
there are good applications that are

01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:33.575
missing here because of the budget cuts

01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.599
um that we've made. Um and so yeah, it's

01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.775
a difficult thing where we're sort of,

01:03:38.799 --> 01:03:41.335
you know, picking and choosing specific

01:03:41.359 --> 01:03:43.416
applications and putting them back in

01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.295
above the amount that we approved. Um

01:03:46.319 --> 01:03:48.456
when, you know, in fact, if we hadn't

01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.335
made that cut to the arts and culture

01:03:51.359 --> 01:03:54.359
grants budget, um there would be a

01:03:54.640 --> 01:03:56.936
number of other successful applicants.

01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:58.456
Thank you, council. for other speakers

01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.535
to the amendment. Council Plarus,

01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.216
thanks be. It is really hard to talk

01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:04.856
about this without

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:06.295
the alternative would have been to put

01:04:06.319 --> 01:04:07.976
the entire thing into confidential

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.736
business which is less transparent. So

01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:11.656
we apologize to those that are wondering

01:04:11.680 --> 01:04:14.680
what on earth's going now. Um I don't

01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.656
want to accidentally reveal anything. So

01:04:17.680 --> 01:04:19.976
I'll just say that I don't agree that we

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.815
should be looking at the geographical

01:04:21.839 --> 01:04:24.216
location of where things are or where

01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:27.240
groups are. um that could open up others

01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:30.936
being more valid to receive funds as

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:32.535
well. I mean, I don't know. I didn't I

01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:34.775
didn't analyze the applications based on

01:04:34.799 --> 01:04:37.799
where they are most created. Um and we

01:04:37.839 --> 01:04:39.815
also can't forget that there are most of

01:04:39.839 --> 01:04:41.896
the time other funding opportunities or

01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.896
other mechanisms and a lot of groups do

01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.456
get a bit here and a bit there. Um I

01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:49.095
think very few would just solely rely on

01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:52.055
council. So for me, I don't support the

01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.079
addition of this application ID. um

01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.496
which I know has other opportunities um

01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:02.520
and and can explore those um the way

01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.136
like I said I think most of the list

01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:09.160
doesn't just rely on council um but look

01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:12.936
there are challenges with with this left

01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.815
right and center um and for me it really

01:05:15.839 --> 01:05:18.839
came down to the this  our criteria

01:05:20.160 --> 01:05:22.376
and I just didn't think this one met the

01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.055
criteria

01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:25.976
thank you council Clasarus Catholic

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:26.616
Davis.

01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:29.095
 just to say I can't support the

01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.575
amendment. Um al it's a matter of

01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.496
principle in my view. The decisions been

01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:35.575
made. Um I'm sure there are a number of

01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.376
us around the table who would like to

01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.095
suggest that um other organizations been

01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.119
given some money and weren't and as much

01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:45.656
as we would like to do it, it's not

01:05:45.680 --> 01:05:47.095
appropriate. The officers have spent a

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:48.775
great deal of time in the panel and I

01:05:48.799 --> 01:05:51.496
don't envy them. It's a a huge job with

01:05:51.520 --> 01:05:54.520
such a little amount of money. Well,

01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:56.616
certainly what we used to offer.

01:05:56.640 --> 01:05:59.640
 so, um yes, I think that that's

01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:00.775
summed it up. Thank you.

01:06:00.799 --> 01:06:02.456
Thank you, Council Davis. Other speakers

01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:04.616
to the amendment.

01:06:04.640 --> 01:06:06.055
councellor Humphre, would you like to

01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.079
respond and then Oh, just checking.

01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:13.160
That's right. Council Humphre,

01:06:13.839 --> 01:06:15.335
don't go to auctions, council.

01:06:15.359 --> 01:06:16.856
No, that's fine. I think we've all said

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:19.256
what we need to say for this application

01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:21.896
and it'll be a bit harder to summize

01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:23.575
based on the confidentiality constraints

01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:25.736
that we exist in but I do want to

01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.976
reemphasize my own support for why this

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.216
application should receive.

01:06:30.240 --> 01:06:31.976
All right. So the amendment will now be

01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:34.136
put in that's three which is up on the

01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:36.136
screen in red. So all those in favor of

01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:39.160
the proposed amendment

01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:41.736
all those against

01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.760
the amendment is lost. So um I'll just

01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:46.376
record that for the record. All those in

01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.535
favor, councellor Humphre, councellor

01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.856
Bell, councellor Healey, and councellor

01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.496
Hopper. All those against councellor S,

01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:55.176
councellor Charadri, councellor

01:06:55.200 --> 01:06:56.775
Stefanopoulos, councellor Casarus,

01:06:56.799 --> 01:06:58.456
councellor Davis. We now move back to the

01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.015
original motion. So council

01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:02.616
Stefanopoulos having moved. councellor

01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:05.575
Davis having reserved her right. So

01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:08.599
other speakers to the original motion,

01:07:10.160 --> 01:07:11.575
we bought ourselves out. All right.

01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:13.575
councellor Stefanopoulos, are you happy

01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.015
to respond? You happy for me to put it

01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:17.335
to the vote? So, um, now moving the

01:07:17.359 --> 01:07:18.696
office officer recommendation. All those

01:07:18.720 --> 01:07:21.256
in favor

01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.015
and motion is carried unanimously. Thank

01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.815
you, councellors. We now move to the

01:07:25.839 --> 01:07:28.216
community grants program and noting

01:07:28.240 --> 01:07:31.240
there are no proposed changes to that.

01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.176
No movement is secondary for the officer

01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:34.986
recommendation.

01:07:35.010 --> 01:07:37.416
[Applause]

01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:39.335
councellor Chattery,

01:07:39.359 --> 01:07:41.815
Executive councellor Humphre. councellor

01:07:41.839 --> 01:07:44.839
Chhatery, over to you. Um, don't not

01:07:45.520 --> 01:07:48.520
much to um  add here. Obviously, our

01:07:49.520 --> 01:07:51.416
community grant program is a really

01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.440
important program that we um have  and

01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:58.520
offer to our community. Um it it um 

01:08:00.720 --> 01:08:03.720
adds a lot of  social capital to our

01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.880
our municipality. Um so yeah I just

01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:10.936
wanted to support its endorsement going

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.095
out um to our community.

01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:16.056
Thank you councellor Chhat Council. I'd

01:08:16.080 --> 01:08:17.735
just like to add obviously the the

01:08:17.759 --> 01:08:19.416
challenging economic conditions that

01:08:19.440 --> 01:08:20.936
we're in and the unfortunate position

01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:23.335
where we've had to decrease our grants

01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.359
programs quite significantly over an

01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.616
extended period of time now which is

01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.016
reflective of the challenging economic

01:08:31.040 --> 01:08:32.775
and financial sustainability that we

01:08:32.799 --> 01:08:34.856
find as a council and that unfortunately

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:36.295
starting to bear out in our grants

01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.056
programs.

01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:40.215
They are great selections from

01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.135
Thank you councellor Humphre. Any other

01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:44.775
speakers to the motion?

01:08:44.799 --> 01:08:46.056
I'd just like to acknowledge the

01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:49.080
fabulous work of um Cat's team and Liz

01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:51.815
Daly and because the the volume of

01:08:51.839 --> 01:08:54.056
applications that come in. There's a lot

01:08:54.080 --> 01:08:55.815
to get through and then also trying to

01:08:55.839 --> 01:08:57.335
find that balanced outcome which we've

01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.655
got presented with us tonight is always

01:08:59.679 --> 01:09:01.096
challenging every year cuz I know our

01:09:01.120 --> 01:09:02.936
staff work very closely with all of the

01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:04.616
applicants. It's always hard to say yes

01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:06.695
to some and no to others and a little

01:09:06.719 --> 01:09:09.719
bit for others as well.  so and it is

01:09:09.759 --> 01:09:11.576
a sign of the times. I mean, this is one

01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.600
program that um money goes so far within

01:09:14.719 --> 01:09:16.135
our community because there's so many

01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:17.976
volunteers involved in delivering these

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:19.976
services. And it is heartbreaking that

01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.496
our current climate finds us in having

01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:23.896
to cut this cuz if there's one warm and

01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:25.815
fuzzy thing that we deal with as a

01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:27.335
council, it's community grants and our

01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:28.936
arts and cultural grants. So, it's

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.456
heartbreaking to see that we've had to

01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:32.856
cut them so severely. But it's only for

01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:35.096
the short term until council recovers

01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:37.416
itself and then we can um move forward

01:09:37.440 --> 01:09:40.440
and um and you know share share the

01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:42.295
scores with the community that do so

01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:43.976
much great work for others in the

01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.536
community and around. Yeah. So thank you

01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:49.560
councellors. I will now put the um the

01:09:49.679 --> 01:09:52.215
motion to the vote. All those in favor

01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.135
and that motion is carried unanimously.

01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:56.056
Thank you council. We now move to 8.8

01:09:56.080 --> 01:09:58.215
the advoc advocacy plan. Do I have a

01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:01.239
move in a second?

01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:04.440
Council Humphre second. councellor Caris.

01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:06.936
Thank you, Council Humphre.

01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.960
Just like to say that um this is a large

01:10:10.320 --> 01:10:13.320
piece of work to pull together. It is no

01:10:13.360 --> 01:10:16.056
small order to put synthesize the huge

01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:18.056
amount of information to formulate a

01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:20.296
succinct advocacy plan on behalf of

01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:22.296
council to other levels of government.

01:10:22.320 --> 01:10:24.695
So officers should be um commended for

01:10:24.719 --> 01:10:27.719
that that mammoth task. Um this lays the

01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:31.496
groundwork for what we are as a council

01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.496
are advocating for to other levels of

01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.056
government. Um in particular around

01:10:36.080 --> 01:10:38.456
projects that we may need um because as

01:10:38.480 --> 01:10:40.215
we are living in an economically

01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.135
constrained environment and do have

01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:44.616
considerable  cash and debt

01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.215
limitations.

01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:47.736
Um other levels of governor are

01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:49.336
important to help fund those vital

01:10:49.360 --> 01:10:51.976
community assets in particular upgrading

01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.000
pavilions to be inclusive of girls sport

01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:57.496
in particular as a lot of them are very

01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.655
very ancient at this point in time and

01:10:59.679 --> 01:11:01.336
we need to start moving into the new age

01:11:01.360 --> 01:11:04.296
of having an inclusive community as well

01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:06.215
as looking at more strategic kind of

01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.456
changes to the legislative framework

01:11:08.480 --> 01:11:10.616
that the council does want to see from

01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:13.096
both state and federal governments. So

01:11:13.120 --> 01:11:15.256
this puts us on the right path to allow

01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:17.816
officers and councellors alike to lobby

01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.336
their

01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:21.576
MPs to help bring about the right change

01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:22.936
for our residents.

01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:24.296
Thank you, Council Humphre. Council

01:11:24.320 --> 01:11:25.576
Clasaris,

01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:27.256
nothing to add about there. Thank you.

01:11:27.280 --> 01:11:29.336
Any other speakers to the motion?

01:11:29.360 --> 01:11:30.856
councellor

01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:32.776
Bell.

01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.736
Thanks. Thanks, Mayor.  I think just

01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.376
wanted to echo Council Humphrey's words.

01:11:38.400 --> 01:11:41.400
It's a um a lot of credit needs to go to

01:11:41.679 --> 01:11:44.296
the um council offices for this plan. I

01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:47.175
think it's been um a wide discussion. It

01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.576
often forms a lot of different views of

01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.336
where different councellors would like to

01:11:51.360 --> 01:11:54.360
see the council go strategically. I

01:11:54.480 --> 01:11:55.896
often find when I'm speaking to the

01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:58.920
community that I either begin by saying

01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:02.215
or end by saying actually council

01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:03.576
probably can't do too much here, but

01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:05.976
we'll advocate for it for example. And I

01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.496
think that probably speaks a little bit

01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:09.336
to this. Um, obviously we do have

01:12:09.360 --> 01:12:10.936
influence across the community and we do

01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:12.376
implement different measures to achieve

01:12:12.400 --> 01:12:14.456
good outcomes. But I think what this

01:12:14.480 --> 01:12:16.695
plan enables and what it demonstrates to

01:12:16.719 --> 01:12:18.776
the community is the linkages between

01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:20.695
different tiers of government, different

01:12:20.719 --> 01:12:22.936
community groups and how we engage more

01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:25.960
broadly. Um, I think different groups

01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.215
and different levels of government

01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.616
engaging well means that we can advocate

01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:32.296
more effectively and bring in additional

01:12:32.320 --> 01:12:34.135
funds for different projects that

01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:35.655
ultimately benefit the community or

01:12:35.679 --> 01:12:37.736
benefit Stonnington. So, I think this is

01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:40.056
a really good plan. It's not a finished

01:12:40.080 --> 01:12:41.976
product. I think it's a plan that

01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.736
obviously continues to evolve and we

01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.135
have new ideas um different issues come

01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:48.376
up in the community and we adapt our

01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:49.816
thoughts and therefore the plan

01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:51.816
accordingly. So, it's something that

01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:53.896
keeps rolling. um it's a great

01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:55.576
opportunity to have a at this point in

01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.655
time we've got an election coming up. Um

01:12:57.679 --> 01:12:59.976
so we've got our views down on paper and

01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.296
how that um will hopefully provide good

01:13:02.320 --> 01:13:05.320
outcomes to the community. So um for the

01:13:06.080 --> 01:13:08.616
people in the community um who still

01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:11.096
have ideas and um how we can implement

01:13:11.120 --> 01:13:14.120
better policies in the City don't stop

01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.016
coming to us just because this plan is

01:13:17.040 --> 01:13:18.856
now in the position that it is. As I

01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:21.655
said, it's an evolving um advocacy plan

01:13:21.679 --> 01:13:23.816
and I always hope and encourage people

01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:25.816
to provide input to it as time goes on.

01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:27.016
Thanks, M.

01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:28.936
Thank you, Council Bell. Council Oliver,

01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:31.960
thank you. Um look, advocacy is a really

01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:34.056
critical role of local government

01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:36.936
because as councellor Bell alluded to, um

01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:39.416
we are both the closest local government

01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:41.736
to the community. Um and so we see on a

01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.135
day-to-day basis um what is most needed

01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.096
in our local areas. Um but we also

01:13:47.120 --> 01:13:49.816
cannot deliver everything ourselves and

01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:51.976
we operate in an increasingly

01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:54.135
constrained environment  in trying to

01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:56.856
deliver things correctly and so do need

01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:58.695
the support of partners either

01:13:58.719 --> 01:14:01.655
financially or through partnerships to

01:14:01.679 --> 01:14:03.256
deliver all of the things that our

01:14:03.280 --> 01:14:06.280
community needs. Um advocacy used to be

01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:08.695
enshrined in the local government act as

01:14:08.719 --> 01:14:11.576
one of the roles of um local government.

01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.600
Um it was changed during the 2020 um

01:14:15.040 --> 01:14:16.776
forms local government act and in fact

01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:18.536
advocacy was the first job that I had in

01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.336
local government. So it's a particular

01:14:21.360 --> 01:14:23.336
passion of mine and I think this is a

01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:26.360
really good advocacy plan. Um I think it

01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:29.416
has a lot of um flexibility and breadth

01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:31.816
built into it. um so that over the

01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:34.296
course of the advocacy plans life cycle

01:14:34.320 --> 01:14:37.320
we can continue to um make adjustments

01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:40.056
but also it gives us enough breath to

01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:41.655
encompass things within the broader

01:14:41.679 --> 01:14:43.896
topics that are covered there. Um it's

01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.215
great to see the forest precinct master

01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.296
plan listed as a specific priority

01:14:48.320 --> 01:14:50.536
initiative for funding and partnership

01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.016
um in there. Um, but I also want to note

01:14:53.040 --> 01:14:55.016
that the breadth of some of the items in

01:14:55.040 --> 01:14:57.655
there um does allow us to pick up on the

01:14:57.679 --> 01:14:59.016
things that our community is raising

01:14:59.040 --> 01:15:00.616
with us or might have raised with us in

01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.056
the past that may not be mentioned in

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:04.376
there. Specifically an example of this

01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:06.135
during the council election campaign

01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:08.376
there was some very effective advocacy

01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:10.616
um taken by a group called drop punt

01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:12.936
around the need to remove the public

01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:14.456
acquisition overlay that's on the

01:15:14.480 --> 01:15:16.936
eastern side of P road um which has been

01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.175
placed since 1954

01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.256
um and just operates in direct

01:15:21.280 --> 01:15:23.416
opposition to modern planning goals in

01:15:23.440 --> 01:15:25.576
terms of allowing people to make the

01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:27.336
best use of space that's available to

01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:30.360
them um and get cars off the road. Um,

01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:32.616
and I'm confident that our priority

01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:34.856
advocacy agenda item of place-based

01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:36.695
investment, housing, and achieving

01:15:36.719 --> 01:15:39.256
outcomes for our activity centers is

01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:41.416
broad enough to allow us to pursue

01:15:41.440 --> 01:15:43.896
advocacy that relates to matters like

01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.920
that um in the future, noting that

01:15:47.440 --> 01:15:49.016
opening up opportunities for greater

01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:51.256
utilization of that corridor would

01:15:51.280 --> 01:15:53.336
contribute favorably to the plan South

01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:55.416
Activity Center um that's been proposed

01:15:55.440 --> 01:15:57.736
by the state government. So I think you

01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.816
know for community groups who may not

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:02.840
see your specific initiative in this

01:16:03.120 --> 01:16:04.936
advocacy plan, please don't be

01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:07.576
disheartened by that. Um because it's

01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:10.215
very likely that the um initiative that

01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:12.536
you're advocating for can still be

01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:14.215
captured through the flexibility and

01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:16.215
breadth that this plan for us.

01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:17.576
Thank you councellor Hopper. Other

01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:20.456
speakers to the motion

01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:22.135
there being none. councellor Hus, did you

01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:23.816
wish to respond? Nothing.

01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:25.096
All right. I now put the motion. All

01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:26.695
those in favor

01:16:26.719 --> 01:16:28.616
 that motion's carried unanimously.

01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.016
Thank you councellors. We now move to a

01:16:31.040 --> 01:16:33.576
item 8.9 the MO state council motion.

01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:35.655
councellor safety council Humphre you're

01:16:35.679 --> 01:16:37.175
moving your alternate motion.

01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.256
 yes there's an alternative just to

01:16:39.280 --> 01:16:40.936
flesh out a bit further the officer

01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:41.655
recommendations

01:16:41.679 --> 01:16:43.096
and you've been seconded by councellor

01:16:43.120 --> 01:16:46.120
Steve. So please continue.  thank you

01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:49.175
ma'am. Um

01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.135
the alternative recommendation um while

01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:53.976
the officers did a tremendous job in

01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.536
helping flesh out this very very serious

01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:58.856
issue and the need to address it going

01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.880
forwards not only quickly but also

01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:03.655
tangibly

01:17:03.679 --> 01:17:06.679
um in my role as the MAB representative

01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:10.520
and also having um witness what has gone

01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.776
on in Stonnington in particular to the

01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.800
the harassment of councellors um it has

01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:19.159
given me a perspective that in this very

01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.215
serious issue there has been a a massive

01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.536
desire of people to say yes we do want

01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.056
to help you we do want to fix this

01:17:26.080 --> 01:17:28.215
problem however people haven't been

01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.536
coming up with solutions or exploring

01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.936
avenues to go down and so I think that

01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:34.776
that was important in moving to this

01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:36.776
alternative where there are tangible

01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.175
actions to take so we start looking at

01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:41.096
real options that can be put into place

01:17:41.120 --> 01:17:43.736
quickly and safely to ensure the

01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:45.766
safeguard of councellors going forward

01:17:45.790 --> 01:17:46.936
[Applause]

01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.960
Thank you, Council Humphre. presidents.

01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:55.736
What can I say other than um like

01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.760
yourself and like um Council Psales and

01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.960
Council Davis, we were victims of um

01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.640
some of this  inappropriate comments,

01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:09.320
harassment, bullying, intimidation, and

01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:11.655
now it's up to the sector, the leading

01:18:11.679 --> 01:18:12.856
the people who are leading this sector,

01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.096
the MOAB, to actually do something about

01:18:15.120 --> 01:18:18.120
it. So I thank both the deputy man and

01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:19.896
colleague here for putting this up

01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:22.376
because if they don't do something about

01:18:22.400 --> 01:18:24.536
it do we need another one of you to be

01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:26.616
doing this? Does does do I have to do

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.215
it? Does c David has to do it? Does

01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.056
councellor Sar have to do it? Do do

01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:32.135
individual councellors have to do this?

01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:34.616
This is not this would not be acceptable

01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:36.936
in our work environment nor yours nor

01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:39.096
mine nor anyone else's work environment.

01:18:39.120 --> 01:18:41.736
Yet what has happened and what continues

01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:43.416
to happen to some people is

01:18:43.440 --> 01:18:45.256
unacceptable. So, I'm hoping that maybe

01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:47.096
will stand up and actually support us.

01:18:47.120 --> 01:18:48.695
Thank you, councellor Stefanopoulos.

01:18:48.719 --> 01:18:50.376
Other speakers to the motion, councellor

01:18:50.400 --> 01:18:52.376
Hilly and then councellor Davis.

01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:55.400
Thank you. Um, I give a lot of support

01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:58.760
to this motion. um really just to

01:19:00.080 --> 01:19:02.536
leadership um and advocating for the

01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.456
safety of these representatives and

01:19:04.480 --> 01:19:07.480
staff both their and

01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:11.256
while recent events have brought this

01:19:11.280 --> 01:19:13.496
issue to the forefront to inform and the

01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.056
successful legal action plan is as a

01:19:16.080 --> 01:19:18.776
landmark. It's not a new problem. 

01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:20.456
this is a long running and persistent

01:19:20.480 --> 01:19:22.616
issue that has impacted councellors for

01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:25.640
years myself included and my fight has

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:27.816
been long running. In fact, it led me to

01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.215
work with other may in the ministerial

01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.239
advisory mal ministerial advisory panel

01:19:33.280 --> 01:19:34.695
and to even hold meetings with the

01:19:34.719 --> 01:19:37.016
office of the EC safety commissioner and

01:19:37.040 --> 01:19:39.175
we bought this presentation called is

01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.175
just politics because we all come to the

01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.896
same conclusion that bad behavior was

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.175
getting dismissed as just a

01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.336
characteristic characteristic of the

01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:50.360
expected nature of politics. In 2021, I

01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:53.096
repeatedly and specifically told I

01:19:53.120 --> 01:19:54.296
repeatedly and specifically told the

01:19:54.320 --> 01:19:56.215
minister how councils were not

01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.135
adequately supported against serious

01:19:58.159 --> 01:19:59.816
bullying both from within the chamber

01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.215
and from outside. And I've been dismayed

01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.536
by how little has changed even when the

01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:07.416
evidence is undeniable and mounting.

01:20:07.440 --> 01:20:09.175
When we introduced our mutual respect

01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:11.576
charter, I highlighted a key issue that

01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.816
a high number of female councils resign

01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.896
after one term because of excessive

01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:18.135
bullying and harassment. A finding from

01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:20.215
the Australian local government women's

01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:22.856
association um which was at the time

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:24.936
found that 40% women decide not to run

01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.960
ahead because of the culture. I also

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.135
shared some of the online abuse I was

01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:31.896
receiving at that time. They called

01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:34.135
things like a female hater and an

01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:36.376
absolute cow. Um and these aren't just

01:20:36.400 --> 01:20:38.056
words. They're part of a campaign of

01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:40.776
hatred and vilification. And the toll of

01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:43.800
this behavior been extends beyond just

01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:45.496
us. My friends are being harassed.

01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:48.056
families being targeted and this isn't

01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:50.376
acceptable. The human impact of these

01:20:50.400 --> 01:20:53.175
behaviors is real and to be honest I'm a

01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.175
very emotional person and I'm not immune

01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:56.936
to this. The attacks and the

01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:59.016
vilification has really impacted me

01:20:59.040 --> 01:21:01.655
deeply. And a year later I was forced to

01:21:01.679 --> 01:21:03.336
face the issue again with a council

01:21:03.360 --> 01:21:05.256
conduct panel. And while the panel

01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:07.096
dismissed my application for applying

01:21:07.120 --> 01:21:09.655
the surge conduct, the report's language

01:21:09.679 --> 01:21:11.976
was stark. I describe the behavior I

01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:14.376
subjected to as unracious, hostile,

01:21:14.400 --> 01:21:16.616
disrespectful, unreasonable, attacking

01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.856
the person on the issue, inappropriate,

01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:21.416
insulting, insensitive, and unnecessary.

01:21:21.440 --> 01:21:23.655
I call it appalling, disregarding,

01:21:23.679 --> 01:21:25.976
normal, disrespectful discourse, and

01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.536
aggressive. The pound's process is

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.936
selfish. Identified identified as being

01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.336
too slow, the resource hungry and also

01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:35.655
off-putting to consider and in the end

01:21:35.679 --> 01:21:38.679
also personally financially expensive

01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.175
was a perfect example of how the system

01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:42.695
fails.

01:21:42.719 --> 01:21:44.296
The panel's conclusion was that this

01:21:44.320 --> 01:21:45.976
behavior was all part of robust

01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.215
political debate. And to justify it,

01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:50.456
they quoted a high court judge who said

01:21:50.480 --> 01:21:52.936
that if you wish for more rationality,

01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:54.856
less superficiality,

01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:56.856
diminished convictive and increased

01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.880
logic, you must find another homeland.

01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.655
And this is the heart of the problem.

01:22:01.679 --> 01:22:03.496
The finding tells people that if you

01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.416
can't handle this kind of personal,

01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:07.496
emotional, aggressive attack, then you

01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:09.336
should not put yourself forward to be a

01:22:09.360 --> 01:22:11.496
counselor. It creates an environment

01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:13.175
where only the thick skinned and those

01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:15.655
without empathy in heart can survive.

01:22:15.679 --> 01:22:17.416
This is not the kind of leadership our

01:22:17.440 --> 01:22:20.440
community deserves nor expects because

01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:22.536
the local government is not enshrined in

01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.456
the constitution. The state government

01:22:24.480 --> 01:22:27.016
has the power to direct us. And if the

01:22:27.040 --> 01:22:28.936
state is in fact our boss in the way

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:31.576
they behave and direct us continuously,

01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:33.576
then it must start behaving like a good

01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:35.976
boss. Today the efforts have been

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.296
ineffective. They repeatedly seen

01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:39.496
conditions that have led to

01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.215
psychological harm and have not taken

01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:44.215
all reasonable practical steps to

01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.695
eliminate or reduce those risks. The

01:22:46.719 --> 01:22:48.536
fact that councellors are not considered

01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:50.456
employees under the third fair work

01:22:50.480 --> 01:22:52.695
commission or worker under the health

01:22:52.719 --> 01:22:55.256
work health and safety act leaves us in

01:22:55.280 --> 01:22:58.280
the unacceptable no man's land. I don't

01:22:58.480 --> 01:22:59.976
want to be in a community where only the

01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.056
thick skinned are encouraged to be a

01:23:02.080 --> 01:23:04.215
voice for their neighbors. We need to be

01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:05.816
an environment where good people,

01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.376
diverse people with all their heart and

01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:11.400
empathy feel safe enough to serve. This

01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:13.976
motion is about correcting that with

01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.615
very specific initiatives put forward by

01:23:16.639 --> 01:23:19.496
councils. It's about saying once and for

01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:21.736
all that expectation for human decency

01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.215
and kindness does not stop because you

01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:26.376
got elected. It's about providing the

01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:28.536
financial support and legislative change

01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:30.215
that will protect people from

01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.239
harassment, intimidation, and harm It's

01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:35.336
about sending a clear message that this

01:23:35.360 --> 01:23:38.296
behavior will no longer be tolerated. So

01:23:38.320 --> 01:23:41.016
I wholeheartedly support this motion and

01:23:41.040 --> 01:23:42.695
want to make sure that our community is

01:23:42.719 --> 01:23:44.856
a place of mutual respect and kindness

01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:46.615
for us all.

01:23:46.639 --> 01:23:48.135
Thank you. He here. Thank you councellor

01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.856
Hilly. Very well said. councellor Davis.

01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:53.736
Thank you Mayor. Um

01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:56.536
yes council he recall being abused

01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:58.215
because I actually supported that post.

01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:00.776
I wasn't on council for time but I got

01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:02.695
to serve as well from the same person

01:24:02.719 --> 01:24:05.719
that is referenced in this  report. Um

01:24:07.040 --> 01:24:10.040
and also referenced in the report is um

01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:13.159
the Mayor's um court case which um

01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:17.655
to obtain the  personal intervention

01:24:17.679 --> 01:24:20.679
order.  I actually  attended  all

01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:24.440
four days of that hearing and can only

01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:27.416
say that um

01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:29.816
your courage and determination

01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.840
 was just astounding. Um

01:24:33.040 --> 01:24:35.576
 there were things said in that

01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.456
courtroom that I had not heard before

01:24:38.480 --> 01:24:41.016
and was just appalled.

01:24:41.040 --> 01:24:44.040
Um, and yes, I too have been targeted by

01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:46.695
the same individual, but to much less a

01:24:46.719 --> 01:24:49.719
degree and in the gallery we have two

01:24:50.639 --> 01:24:52.695
former councellors.

01:24:52.719 --> 01:24:54.936
Am I permitted to mention your name?

01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.416
Ollie Morgan and Aaron Davis who were

01:24:57.440 --> 01:25:00.440
subjected to the most appalling abuse.

01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:03.560
It was cruel. was nasty, vindictive,

01:25:05.280 --> 01:25:07.736
unfathomable, how not one person can

01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:10.536
speak about so many people like this and

01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:12.776
and there was no no recourse but to

01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.256
simply ignore it. There was no use

01:25:15.280 --> 01:25:18.056
responding to it. I did one day in

01:25:18.080 --> 01:25:19.816
council and I was threatened with

01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:21.896
defamation which was so ironic cuz I was

01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:24.695
trying to defend my own reputation.

01:25:24.719 --> 01:25:26.296


01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:28.936
so um I'm astounded that the MAV hasn't

01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.960
taken a greater stand. Um, and I'm sure

01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:34.376
councellor Humphre won't mind me saying

01:25:34.400 --> 01:25:37.016
that I made a few suggestions to this

01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:39.736
for this recommendation. Um, and and one

01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:42.760
of them is to survey MAB members to

01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.016
understand the breadth of the issue. I

01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:46.376
don't even know how many people are

01:25:46.400 --> 01:25:49.175
impacted by this, what research have

01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.655
they done? What are they doing to help

01:25:51.679 --> 01:25:54.679
us? Um, and to provide an overview of

01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:56.536
how many Victorian councils have been

01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.856
impacted and how they've dealt with the

01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:01.256
behavior. There's no guidance either.

01:26:01.280 --> 01:26:03.655
They could even put up the  e safety

01:26:03.679 --> 01:26:06.056
commissioner's website to provide some

01:26:06.080 --> 01:26:07.655
advice to people. A lot of people don't

01:26:07.679 --> 01:26:09.416
even know it exists, but the e safety

01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:12.215
commissioner is very outspoken on the

01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.456
topic. Julie Inman Grant, who actually

01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:16.776
used to work for Microsoft and Twitter,

01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.800
as it was known then before you know who

01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:23.480
took over, can't be mentioned his name.

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.520
Um and so um it is um anti-bullying week

01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:30.856
apparently this week. It's largely

01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:33.880
directed at school children but um I

01:26:34.080 --> 01:26:36.776
think  for anyone who's experiencing

01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.336
the sort of behavior so many of us have

01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:41.496
been subjected to and it's been largely

01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.456
females, female councellors, female

01:26:44.480 --> 01:26:47.480
officers who've been targeted.  and

01:26:49.440 --> 01:26:51.096
while I do know of a few men who have

01:26:51.120 --> 01:26:53.496
been, it's in the majority. It's women

01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.520
who seem to be fair game going. So as

01:26:57.120 --> 01:26:58.936
part of anti-bullying week, I urge

01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:01.960
everybody to um inform everyone about

01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.800
the e safety .gov.au, which is a

01:27:06.719 --> 01:27:09.016
government statutory authority which was

01:27:09.040 --> 01:27:10.456
established. Apparently, it was a world

01:27:10.480 --> 01:27:12.936
first set up. um they're getting more

01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:15.960
and more powers to  have some people

01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:18.776
removed from Facebook as has happened in

01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:21.800
this particular instance.  so we just

01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:24.615
don't have to tolerate but we it's

01:27:24.639 --> 01:27:26.376
thanks to

01:27:26.400 --> 01:27:29.400
Mayor S who  has gone out on a limb 

01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.159
and  pursued this and yet what is

01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.856
anyone else doing in the background? We

01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:38.376
call it a landmark decision but where do

01:27:38.400 --> 01:27:40.456
we go from here?

01:27:40.480 --> 01:27:43.480
So I just hope the MAB and its members

01:27:44.400 --> 01:27:47.400
which is all 79 council even if they pay

01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:50.760
you for what is it 60 60 70,000

01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:52.695
79

01:27:52.719 --> 01:27:55.655
79,000 this year 5 million

01:27:55.679 --> 01:27:57.416
so  I think we should be getting more

01:27:57.440 --> 01:28:00.296
bang for our buck. Thank you. Thank you

01:28:00.320 --> 01:28:02.135
councellor Davis. Other speakers to the

01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:03.496
motion council.

01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:06.056
Thank you Mayor. I can't tell you how

01:28:06.080 --> 01:28:09.080
many times I've spoken about this topic

01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:11.336
in this room and um although I feel a

01:28:11.360 --> 01:28:13.096
bit like a broken record, I'll never

01:28:13.120 --> 01:28:15.736
stop talking about this. So firstly,

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:17.896
thank you to councellor Humphre who has

01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.776
been very strong on this and hasn't let

01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.800
the flame die down since your it is a

01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:26.920
landmark decision. Um you've got the

01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:30.199
whole sector talking. Um you've inspired

01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:33.560
people, madame Mayor, to not be afraid.

01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.536
Um I think at the last state council I

01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:39.096
was shattered when councellor Isa from

01:28:39.120 --> 01:28:41.256
Mun Valley's motion did not get up which

01:28:41.280 --> 01:28:43.976
was to condemn a particular organization

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:46.215
and the behavior. Whilst I could

01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:48.056
understand why some of those councellors

01:28:48.080 --> 01:28:50.695
didn't want to vote for it behind closed

01:28:50.719 --> 01:28:52.056
doors they were telling me it's because

01:28:52.080 --> 01:28:53.896
they were too scared of what the

01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:56.920
ramifications to them might be. Um, I

01:28:57.199 --> 01:28:58.456
hope that doesn't happen this time

01:28:58.480 --> 01:29:00.856
around because I agree the NAB needs to

01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.880
do more. For the last eight or so years,

01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:06.936
in the time I've experienced bullying

01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.736
and harassment to varying degrees, um

01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:11.896
I've tried to speak to absolutely

01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:13.736
everyone and go everywhere that I

01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:16.456
possibly can and I've been turned away

01:29:16.480 --> 01:29:19.480
every single time by council, and I

01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:22.376
appreciate council is limited in what it

01:29:22.400 --> 01:29:25.336
can do, by Victoria Police, by advocacy

01:29:25.360 --> 01:29:28.360
bodies, by lawyers, by other people in

01:29:29.120 --> 01:29:30.936
the sector, long-standing people who

01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:32.776
just say you have to grow the thick skin

01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:34.135
or you've got to do this, you got to

01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:36.056
just don't engage and and whatever it

01:29:36.080 --> 01:29:39.080
is. Um, everyone's turned us away and I

01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:41.096
think Madame May, your decision puts

01:29:41.120 --> 01:29:43.175
this squarely in the spotlight and it

01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:46.199
cannot be ignored. Time and time again

01:29:46.639 --> 01:29:48.536
when I've considered not running for

01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:51.560
council, it has been only because of

01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:53.416
what we have to go through and

01:29:53.440 --> 01:29:56.440
experience. That should not be a factor.

01:29:56.480 --> 01:29:58.936
I can't encourage people to run in other

01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:01.175
areas because they say to me, why would

01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:02.856
I put myself through what you go

01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.880
through? It's it's shattering. Um, and I

01:30:07.360 --> 01:30:09.816
think it's time to put steak in the sand

01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.135
and go, "No, MAV, you are the

01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:15.159
appropriate organization. if not mov

01:30:16.480 --> 01:30:18.695
you know are extremely stretched and and

01:30:18.719 --> 01:30:20.456
on one hand they'll try to help but then

01:30:20.480 --> 01:30:23.336
on the other you land a prosecutor in

01:30:23.360 --> 01:30:25.416
the courtroom who's open the brief 5

01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:27.096
minutes beforehand and says oh they

01:30:27.120 --> 01:30:29.896
can't deal with this so the MAB needs to

01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:31.816
step in and I don't know what the

01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:33.496
outcomes might be able to be but it's

01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:34.695
got to be better than what we've got at

01:30:34.719 --> 01:30:37.256
the moment which is absolutely nothing

01:30:37.280 --> 01:30:38.776
and although we've had this decision

01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.800
there I still feel alone aside from of

01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:43.416
course the support I get from my

01:30:43.440 --> 01:30:45.016
colleagues around this table across the

01:30:45.040 --> 01:30:47.896
sector. But in terms of, you know, the

01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:49.896
battles that I've had to experience and

01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:52.296
continue to experience, I don't I don't

01:30:52.320 --> 01:30:55.320
have anywhere to turn to get tangible

01:30:55.360 --> 01:30:57.896
support. Lots of moral support, lots of

01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.215
emotional support, but when we actually

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.239
need things to happen, there's nothing.

01:31:03.360 --> 01:31:06.135
It doesn't exist. Um, and we can't keep

01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.856
ignoring this. So I think what we have

01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:11.096
to do in the leadup to state council is

01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:13.016
we actually have to do some advocacy to

01:31:13.040 --> 01:31:16.040
the other 78 councils. This needs to be

01:31:16.080 --> 01:31:18.615
unanimous at a minimum needs to get up

01:31:18.639 --> 01:31:21.576
to the majority of talks.

01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:24.536
I suspect the MAB might go kicking and

01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:26.376
screaming with this in terms of the fact

01:31:26.400 --> 01:31:29.400
that they are not very well resourced.

01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:31.976
Um they will be reluctant I think to

01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:33.896
establish a committee. But if there is

01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:36.536
an incredibly strong vote at the October

01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:39.560
State Council, there is no excuse. And

01:31:39.679 --> 01:31:41.496
the board needs to be listening. They

01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.520
need to hear this debate tonight. Um and

01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.056
hopefully the debate that happens at

01:31:46.080 --> 01:31:48.776
state council and and even go beyond

01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.096
this, but this is a starting point. So,

01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:54.056
thank you to our MAB delegate again. Um

01:31:54.080 --> 01:31:56.695
I sincerely hope that the councils find

01:31:56.719 --> 01:31:59.336
the strength to do this. Now's the time.

01:31:59.360 --> 01:32:02.360
We're all in it together. Um, we can't

01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:04.856
be scared because that they win. The

01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:07.496
bullies and the harassers win. Um, so

01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:09.416
this is the time and I'm I'm really

01:32:09.440 --> 01:32:11.016
really hopeful that we see the right

01:32:11.040 --> 01:32:13.016
outcome at state council and actually

01:32:13.040 --> 01:32:16.040
start seeing some  some progress in

01:32:16.480 --> 01:32:19.175
this sector to clean this rubbish up and

01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.736
make it a healthy place, a safe place, a

01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:24.536
desirable place to be, which will then

01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:26.536
encourage people to run, which will

01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:28.215
encourage more women to run, which is

01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:30.936
something that our other organizations

01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.896
have been trying so hard to improve. But

01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:35.736
if you're not able to do so, I can say

01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:37.655
it's because of all of this stuff.

01:32:37.679 --> 01:32:39.576
Thank you, Council Pasar. Other speakers

01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.416
of the motion. councellor Bell.

01:32:41.440 --> 01:32:43.655
Thanks, Mayor. I won't speak for too

01:32:43.679 --> 01:32:45.655
long, but I just wanted to 

01:32:45.679 --> 01:32:48.296
acknowledge that I agree with everything

01:32:48.320 --> 01:32:51.320
that's been said the last 10 or 15

01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:53.416
minutes and thanks to councellor Humphre

01:32:53.440 --> 01:32:56.376
for bringing this forward. Um I think I

01:32:56.400 --> 01:32:59.400
mean this is a you know growing topic of

01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:01.256
conversation that we're seeing broadly

01:33:01.280 --> 01:33:04.280
across society. It's clearly impacted us

01:33:05.040 --> 01:33:08.040
as a City. It impacts um councils right

01:33:08.320 --> 01:33:09.576
across the state and the country

01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:12.600
broadly. Um the multiple platforms that

01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:15.800
people have got access to to really

01:33:16.080 --> 01:33:18.456
affect people negatively and completely

01:33:18.480 --> 01:33:21.480
unfairly with bullying and harassment is

01:33:22.080 --> 01:33:23.736
um has been amplified because of that

01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:25.096
reason. It's, you know, there are some

01:33:25.120 --> 01:33:26.776
great advantages with technology, but

01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.416
there are some really um terrible

01:33:29.440 --> 01:33:31.096
outcomes as a result as well. And it's

01:33:31.120 --> 01:33:33.256
just it's just completely unacceptable.

01:33:33.280 --> 01:33:36.280
Um to to have listened to stories um

01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:38.776
real life stories that have occurred

01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:41.800
over the last few months that predate my

01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:44.135
time on council here have been fairly

01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:47.159
harrowing. Um and for the leadership of

01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:49.736
the Mayor um and to have seen that over

01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:50.936
the last couple of months has been

01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.960
really inspirational and certainly does

01:33:54.080 --> 01:33:56.776
not go unnoticed both here internally

01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:59.736
and as as has been said just now well

01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:02.376
and truly beyond the the four  corners

01:34:02.400 --> 01:34:05.400
of of this City. So um

01:34:06.080 --> 01:34:08.456
this unfortunately is not going to go

01:34:08.480 --> 01:34:10.615
away quickly. I think we know that we

01:34:10.639 --> 01:34:13.175
see it in government

01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:14.456
different levels. We see it in the

01:34:14.480 --> 01:34:16.456
corporate world. It's unfortunately

01:34:16.480 --> 01:34:19.480
become um quite prevalent. But um

01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:22.215
actions like this will hopefully see a

01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:25.239
shift in the way people um deal and act

01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:28.456
in in the public space and I think will

01:34:28.480 --> 01:34:31.480
go um a way to you know at least

01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:33.896
starting that conversation more broadly

01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.920
and pushing it um into um MIP as well

01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:40.600
which you know is is timely um and I

01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:44.695
think it's incumbent on all of us um to

01:34:44.719 --> 01:34:46.615
ensure that we're educating people all

01:34:46.639 --> 01:34:49.639
the time um through the dangers that um

01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.736
result from bullying and harassment um

01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.456
for people who

01:34:56.480 --> 01:34:59.016
whose mental health are affected by it.

01:34:59.040 --> 01:35:02.040
And ultimately it it prevents

01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:04.536
communities from being at their

01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:07.560
strongest as a result. And it's just um

01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.296
shameful what what can be seen and what

01:35:10.320 --> 01:35:12.936
has been seen in our City.

01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:15.960
So I'm really happy to see this um

01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.135
right now.

01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:19.896
Thank you councel councy.

01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:21.896
Just quickly um I think everything's

01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:23.175
been covered but I just wanted to

01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:26.199
reiterate um that you know local

01:35:26.400 --> 01:35:28.456
government we are the closest level of

01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:30.856
government to the community to people.

01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:32.936
Um we're the only level of government

01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.336
where elected officials are so visible

01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:37.655
to the public. people can call us with

01:35:37.679 --> 01:35:40.679
our text us and you know at any time of

01:35:42.400 --> 01:35:44.615
day and I know that our Mayor and other

01:35:44.639 --> 01:35:47.639
other councellors this is our reality. Um

01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:50.615
but this also brings this ridiculous

01:35:50.639 --> 01:35:53.175
heightened risk of of harassment and

01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:55.576
unsafe workplace behavior which is

01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:57.336
totally out of step with the the fact

01:35:57.360 --> 01:35:59.256
that we have no protections available to

01:35:59.280 --> 01:36:02.280
us. Um, so councellor Humphrey's motion

01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:04.056
particularly underlining the

01:36:04.080 --> 01:36:05.576
implementation of a fund to provide

01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:07.016
attracted councellors with additional

01:36:07.040 --> 01:36:09.175
support resources is so important

01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:11.576
because we currently have no financial

01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.600
resources available from insurers for

01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:16.776
individual councellors to seek any

01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.496
private intervention orders or anything

01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:22.520
um that 

01:36:22.719 --> 01:36:25.175
um I'm

01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:28.199
um so courageously did. So I think that

01:36:29.040 --> 01:36:32.040
um this is huge for um the sector and um

01:36:33.280 --> 01:36:36.280
I think is um I'm hoping that um we are

01:36:39.360 --> 01:36:42.360
are going to change the tide here and um

01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.256
and get the attention of state

01:36:45.280 --> 01:36:48.215
government and um everyone across the

01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:51.239
sector. So yeah very much um  commend

01:36:52.639 --> 01:36:55.639
this and um be proud to support it.

01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:58.056
Thank you, Council Chow. Council Hopper.

01:36:58.080 --> 01:37:00.215
Thank you. Um well, I want to start by

01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.239
commending council freeze for a really

01:37:03.679 --> 01:37:06.215
strong resolution um this evening. You

01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:08.376
know, I think officers have done a

01:37:08.400 --> 01:37:10.615
really compelling job in putting forward

01:37:10.639 --> 01:37:13.639
our views um ahead of going to MAB State

01:37:13.679 --> 01:37:16.679
Council, but that what council has

01:37:16.719 --> 01:37:19.719
brought together is a very actionable

01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.840
and specific um resolution. Um and you

01:37:23.679 --> 01:37:26.679
know puts the MAV hopefully in no doubt

01:37:27.440 --> 01:37:30.440
of what we expect from them  with the

01:37:30.480 --> 01:37:32.296
resourcing that we give them that you

01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:34.135
know it's not just a statement off

01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:35.976
website or something like that but that

01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:39.000
it is actually significant meaningful

01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:41.896
measures and change and I want to say

01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.215
how very proud I am to be part of this

01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:46.856
council because you know everything I've

01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.816
observed in the you know 9 or 10 months

01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:51.976
I've been a counselor here has been just

01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:53.736
a consistent

01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:56.760
demonstrable support um for safety um of

01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.000
councellors in local government um for

01:38:01.440 --> 01:38:03.816
out there um who's been leading the

01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.695
charge in that space. Um and I think you

01:38:06.719 --> 01:38:09.719
know I also see really strongly that

01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.135
from the organization as well you know

01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:14.695
it's been really rewarding to sort of

01:38:14.719 --> 01:38:17.576
see on platforms like LinkedIn you know

01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:20.296
many of you like the CEO obviously

01:38:20.320 --> 01:38:22.376
making many important statements on this

01:38:22.400 --> 01:38:24.695
matter but many of our staff they're

01:38:24.719 --> 01:38:26.695
saying how proud they are to come to

01:38:26.719 --> 01:38:29.655
work at an organization that takes

01:38:29.679 --> 01:38:32.679
safety so seriously um and respect for

01:38:34.400 --> 01:38:36.936
councellors as the representatives of the

01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:39.256
organization so seriously. So I think

01:38:39.280 --> 01:38:41.336
you know I'm very proud to be part of

01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:43.976
this council that is so unanimous in

01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.296
their support um for this important

01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:49.320
work. Um councellor Chow has just shared

01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:53.159
a report that I'd previously read that

01:38:53.280 --> 01:38:54.695
has some really important statistics

01:38:54.719 --> 01:38:56.776
which is the Victorian council census

01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:59.800
that was issued earlier this year. Um it

01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:02.296
found that a significant number of

01:39:02.320 --> 01:39:04.135
councellors did not expect the level of

01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:07.159
hostility they had encountered. Um 41%

01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:10.199
of women and 26% of men regularly

01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:12.615
experience threatening or intimidating

01:39:12.639 --> 01:39:14.936
behavior in the role as councellors.

01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:16.776
Bullying and harassment were identified

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:18.615
as key factors for councellors,

01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:20.615
particularly women councellors, in

01:39:20.639 --> 01:39:22.695
deciding not to stand for re-election in

01:39:22.719 --> 01:39:25.719
2024. Um and so you know these are

01:39:26.320 --> 01:39:29.320
really important factors that have been

01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.896
you know repeated like time and time

01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:34.920
again. These are known quantities. I was

01:39:35.280 --> 01:39:37.736
appointed in 2021 as part of the gender

01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:39.736
equality advisory committee that was

01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:42.056
supposed to advise the state government

01:39:42.080 --> 01:39:45.080
on how to improve women's representation

01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:48.376
um in local government um and what some

01:39:48.400 --> 01:39:50.615
of these issues were um that people were

01:39:50.639 --> 01:39:53.496
experiencing in local government. Um we

01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:55.896
had um you know representatives across

01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:58.920
staff and elected councellors. Um we had

01:39:59.679 --> 01:40:02.679
enormous conference that over 150 people

01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:05.256
attended including people in this room

01:40:05.280 --> 01:40:07.336
um that Julia Gillard spoke out and came

01:40:07.360 --> 01:40:09.736
up with a range of recommendations

01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:12.296
and then after the conference the

01:40:12.320 --> 01:40:15.016
decision was made by state government

01:40:15.040 --> 01:40:18.040
representatives to disband the committee

01:40:18.320 --> 01:40:19.976
um only one and a half years into its

01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.000
4-year term. Um and I think the

01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:26.056
resourcing has just never been there for

01:40:26.080 --> 01:40:28.296
this work. Like we make so many

01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:31.320
statements and commitments and you know

01:40:31.360 --> 01:40:33.736
um campaigns for more women to stand for

01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:36.760
election but when it then comes down to

01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:38.776
it women are saying well I stood for

01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:41.256
election and I got elected and vision's

01:40:41.280 --> 01:40:43.576
been really rough and the supports

01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:45.336
haven't been there for me and I don't

01:40:45.360 --> 01:40:47.816
want to stand again. Um and I don't want

01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.496
to encourage my friends to stand in

01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:52.520
there. The resources and support then

01:40:53.440 --> 01:40:56.440
isn't there to do anything about that.

01:40:56.480 --> 01:40:59.016
And I think the MAV as a peak body to

01:40:59.040 --> 01:41:02.040
whom we pay so much money um you know

01:41:02.080 --> 01:41:05.080
they are of all the organizations that's

01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:06.776
available to us you know I know we've

01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:08.776
just joined ELA as part of the last

01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:11.736
resolution ELA is very underresourced.

01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:14.760
Um so I think that you know MAB of all

01:41:15.280 --> 01:41:18.280
the organizations is best placed to help

01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.175
us lead this charge to the state

01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:24.199
government and resource this put money

01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:27.560
where the mouth is um because campaigns

01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.600
and supplements um cutting it.

01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:32.456
Thank you councellor Hopper and thank you

01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:34.135
councels for your very kind words. I am

01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:35.576
going to make a formal statement under

01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:38.135
general business this evening. So um I

01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:39.576
won't speak more on this particular

01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:42.456
item. Um, I'll reserve my comments till

01:41:42.480 --> 01:41:43.655
later in the meeting. So, councellor

01:41:43.679 --> 01:41:45.576
Humps, if you'd like to respond to the

01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:47.016
debate. Sounds like you've got a

01:41:47.040 --> 01:41:48.936
unanimous vote ahead of you.

01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.960
I'll touch it. Um, I would like to thank

01:41:52.320 --> 01:41:55.016
councellor Davis for helping draft and

01:41:55.040 --> 01:41:57.336
also guidance in shaping the right form

01:41:57.360 --> 01:42:00.360
for this. Um, to summarize, I I think it

01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:02.695
is really important that we do take

01:42:02.719 --> 01:42:05.719
tangible actions to move forward. Um

01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:08.536
certainly from my perspective I really

01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:11.336
do take heart in the idea that Stington

01:42:11.360 --> 01:42:14.056
continues to be a leading council not

01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:15.416
only for the communities but also

01:42:15.440 --> 01:42:17.576
forging the path ahead society that we

01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:19.256
want to live in.

01:42:19.280 --> 01:42:20.695
Thank you councellor Hump. The motion

01:42:20.719 --> 01:42:23.655
will now be put all those in favor that

01:42:23.679 --> 01:42:25.576
motion is carried unanimously. Thank you

01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:27.816
councellors. councellors we now move to

01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.536
item 8.10 item that councellor Hump has

01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:32.135
declared conflict of interest in. Would

01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:33.896
you like to further expand on your

01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.135
conflict? Yes, I have a general conflict

01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:38.936
of interest regarding my potential

01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.960
attendance at the anti-semitism marital

01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.056
summit and out of an abundance of

01:42:44.080 --> 01:42:46.135
caution I declare conflict of interest.

01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:47.655
I'll confuse myself.

01:42:47.679 --> 01:42:49.706
Thank you. And please

01:42:49.730 --> 01:42:50.046
[Music]

01:42:50.070 --> 01:42:51.416
[Applause]

01:42:51.440 --> 01:42:54.440
[Music]

01:43:01.790 --> 01:43:04.615
[Applause]

01:43:04.639 --> 01:43:06.695
shut the door.

01:43:06.719 --> 01:43:09.719
Beautiful.

01:43:10.080 --> 01:43:11.816
Thank you. Do I have a move? councellor

01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:14.840
Hilly. Can I move the alternate?

01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:18.760
Yes. Do I have a second?

01:43:19.280 --> 01:43:21.816
councellor Davis seconded. Council Gilly.

01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.840
So just first it is

01:43:25.440 --> 01:43:28.440
three to note that the $2,000 comes from

01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.296
personal development allowance. Um and

01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:35.320
then four is requesting

01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:37.736
reports

01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:40.760
to the outcomes. Um,

01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:42.776
so

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.576
my reflection on the role of government

01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:48.600
and the current tensions is that we

01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:52.856
should really be taking a stance on

01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:55.880
global issues but fighting really hard

01:43:56.719 --> 01:43:58.376
for the rights, care and respect of

01:43:58.400 --> 01:44:01.336
local people and businesses. Our duty is

01:44:01.360 --> 01:44:03.016
to ensure that all residents feel safe

01:44:03.040 --> 01:44:04.615
and respected where they live regardless

01:44:04.639 --> 01:44:06.615
of their race, culture of origin,

01:44:06.639 --> 01:44:09.639
religion or beliefs or characteristics.

01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:12.056
So this summit is an opportunity for

01:44:12.080 --> 01:44:15.080
council

01:44:15.140 --> 01:44:16.536
[Applause]

01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:19.336
leaders to share best practices

01:44:19.360 --> 01:44:22.296
as quotes here best practices to forge

01:44:22.320 --> 01:44:24.215
new alliances and use actionable

01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:27.239
solutions to combat anti-semitism in our

01:44:27.440 --> 01:44:29.736
communities and it directly addresses an

01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:31.976
issue that's had significant impact on

01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:34.376
our residents especially since Jonington

01:44:34.400 --> 01:44:36.536
is home to Victoria's second largest

01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:39.560
Jewish community. Um by ending. I hope

01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.456
that um council will be thinking about

01:44:42.480 --> 01:44:43.896
what local government can do to

01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:45.655
encourage a sense of safety and respect

01:44:45.679 --> 01:44:48.456
for all people Jonathan and I believe

01:44:48.480 --> 01:44:50.536
this aligns with our council's own

01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:52.296
health and wellbeing plan which really

01:44:52.320 --> 01:44:55.320
prioritize prioritizes respectful and

01:44:56.080 --> 01:44:57.896
safe community with the aim to reduce

01:44:57.920 --> 01:44:59.576
barriers that drive discrimination

01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:01.256
marginalization.

01:45:01.280 --> 01:45:04.280
Um so I look forward to hearing my vote.

01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:07.336
Thank you councellor Hill and councellor

01:45:07.360 --> 01:45:10.296
Davis is the second. Yes. No, nothing.

01:45:10.320 --> 01:45:12.776
All right. Any other speakers?

01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:14.215
So that motion will now be put. All

01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:16.776
those in favor

01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:18.856
and all those against councellor the

01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:20.856
chatter. So all those in favor councellor

01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:22.135
Stefanopoulos, councellor Bell,

01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:23.256
councellor Hilly, councellor Hbert,

01:45:23.280 --> 01:45:24.856
councellor Casarus, councellor Davis,

01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:26.135
councellor s and all those against

01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:27.736
councellor the chattery. Motion is

01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.416
carried. Thank you. Move councellor

01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:31.716
Humphre come back in.

01:45:31.740 --> 01:45:31.896
[Applause]

01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.920
[Music]

01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:37.336
I'll move to correspondence as councellor

01:45:37.360 --> 01:45:39.416
Humphre comes in. Does any council have

01:45:39.440 --> 01:45:41.016
corres?

01:45:41.040 --> 01:45:44.040
councellor Davis. Thank you, ma'am.

01:45:45.040 --> 01:45:47.336
I have several items that I'll just

01:45:47.360 --> 01:45:50.360
table. Yes. One is regarding  U

01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:53.256
Street. There's a query there that I've

01:45:53.280 --> 01:45:56.280
actually spoken to the director about. I

01:45:56.639 --> 01:45:59.639
guess he's going to respond to that. Um

01:45:59.679 --> 01:46:01.256
and

01:46:01.280 --> 01:46:04.215
there's also another one  regarding 

01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:07.095
life spill central park which can I

01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:10.119
thank  Mr. Simon for taking that in

01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:13.496
hand already. So

01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:15.655
thank you. Thank you councellor Steph.

01:46:15.679 --> 01:46:16.695
Thank you Mayor. There is some

01:46:16.719 --> 01:46:18.376
correspondence has been addressed to the

01:46:18.400 --> 01:46:21.400
CEO as related to my issue about do

01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:24.215
tramples along our streets in stock

01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:25.736
which I'll bring up.

01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.215
All right. Thank you councellors.

01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.856
Any other items of correspondence?

01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:32.215
Thank you councellors. There being none,

01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:33.896
we now move to table of petitions and

01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:35.655
joint letters. And we have a petition

01:46:35.679 --> 01:46:37.256
requesting the replacement of garden and

01:46:37.280 --> 01:46:40.280
resurfacing of road and lis boy court.

01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:42.615
That is correct. We do have a petition

01:46:42.639 --> 01:46:45.639
to redo the work in redo the road in Liz

01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:47.655
Boy Court which is one of the more

01:46:47.679 --> 01:46:50.215
beautiful streets in ter suffering

01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:51.655
fortunately from some damage. It has

01:46:51.679 --> 01:46:54.679
nine signatures and has been. Thank you

01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:57.095
um councellor Huff and just to note when

01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:58.376
we vote on the petition we're not

01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:00.456
indicating our support of the petition

01:47:00.480 --> 01:47:02.296
um but we rather just should be allowed

01:47:02.320 --> 01:47:03.976
to be considered by council officers for

01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:05.736
a response just for those who are

01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:08.376
watching online. Um so can I have a move

01:47:08.400 --> 01:47:10.776
and a second to receive the petition

01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:13.416
second councellor um Humphre any

01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:15.175
objections I'm assuming unanimous

01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:18.199
support. So all right those in favor it

01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:20.776
is unanimous the petition letter the

01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:22.056
petition has now been noted for

01:47:22.080 --> 01:47:24.695
consideration.  we have no notice of

01:47:24.719 --> 01:47:26.936
motions for consideration tonight. So we

01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:28.695
now move to reports by councellors and we

01:47:28.719 --> 01:47:30.456
have the final reports from committees

01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:32.376
to be presented tonight. The record of

01:47:32.400 --> 01:47:34.695
council briefing session held on the 4th

01:47:34.719 --> 01:47:37.719
of August 2025. Any questions?

01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.776
There being none, can I remove um a

01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:43.336
second move? Council seconded council

01:47:43.360 --> 01:47:46.360
Stefanopoulos.  any anything to say?

01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:49.736
No. All those any other comments? No.

01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:51.976
All those in favor?

01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:54.135
And it's moved. Thank you, councellors.

01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:56.135
Um, we now move to questions to council

01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:57.896
officers.

01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:00.536
Council Stephan,

01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:02.135
I beg your indulgence just for a minute,

01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:05.159
but um I've had um a number of 

01:48:06.239 --> 01:48:09.175
parking concerns come to me surrounding

01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.199
the high street precinct and I'm just

01:48:12.719 --> 01:48:14.296
over the last 6 months and it's not

01:48:14.320 --> 01:48:16.695
going to stop. Um and we're dealing with

01:48:16.719 --> 01:48:19.016
them street by street. This is a long

01:48:19.040 --> 01:48:22.040
question. Um, I'm wondering when the

01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:23.976
parking strategy will come to council

01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.000
for a briefing session. Um, I'm just

01:48:27.440 --> 01:48:27.976
curious.

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.976
Thank you. Thank you. I'll direct that

01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:31.655
to Mr.

01:48:31.679 --> 01:48:34.215
Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.  the

01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:36.615
parking action plan  will come to

01:48:36.639 --> 01:48:39.639
council  formally in its totality

01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:42.920
early in  2026, possibly very late in

01:48:44.719 --> 01:48:47.719
2025 because it's captured with  under

01:48:48.480 --> 01:48:51.256
the transport strategy. Um an early

01:48:51.280 --> 01:48:52.536
portion of that will be brought to

01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:55.560
council in September October  relating

01:48:56.239 --> 01:48:58.215
to some specific parking matters and we

01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:00.776
can  look to address those ones that

01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:03.496
we have particular interest. Thank you.

01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:04.936
I've got the thumbs up. Any other

01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:07.416
questions to council officers?

01:49:07.440 --> 01:49:09.095
There being none, we move to urgent

01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:11.175
business. Is there any urgent business?

01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:13.496
No. councellors, we now move to general

01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.095
business.  council,

01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:16.536
sorry to bring this up. I know I'm

01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:18.056
probably boring everyone about this.

01:49:18.080 --> 01:49:21.080
No, this is like a festering sore across

01:49:22.480 --> 01:49:23.736
the City.

01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:26.615
Yarot trams keep erecting tram holders

01:49:26.639 --> 01:49:29.639
everywhere and not removing any of them.

01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.456
And it drives me bad. Can I ask the

01:49:32.480 --> 01:49:34.215
Mayor to bring this up? This is not just

01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:35.416
happening in Storm. This is happening

01:49:35.440 --> 01:49:37.416
across the University of Melbourne. I

01:49:37.440 --> 01:49:40.440
really think that the N9 may address a

01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:43.095
letter to the state government saying to

01:49:43.119 --> 01:49:45.175
them, when the hell are you going to

01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.175
remove these poles? I mean, I kid you

01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:49.416
not, out on this intersection here,

01:49:49.440 --> 01:49:52.440
there are something like 25,

01:49:52.480 --> 01:49:55.256
half of which are redundant, and they've

01:49:55.280 --> 01:49:57.896
been sitting there for 5 years. and

01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:00.776
Yarat trams have removed a handful and

01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:02.056
there are the rest that are sitting out

01:50:02.080 --> 01:50:04.456
there and I'm talking they're everywhere

01:50:04.480 --> 01:50:06.135
and there's a new one that just popped

01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:08.936
up on in Glenfrey Road in Turac over the

01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:10.296
weekend. There's another one that's

01:50:10.320 --> 01:50:13.016
popped up in but sometimes I kid you not

01:50:13.040 --> 01:50:15.175
they disappear within 6 months. Other

01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:18.199
times they take 10 years. So can I ask

01:50:18.480 --> 01:50:20.215
that you bring this up as an issue? I

01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:22.296
know it might sound trivial but it just

01:50:22.320 --> 01:50:25.175
is visual clutter across the City and

01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:27.736
garage trams are really lazy. Sorry.

01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:29.095
Maybe you can charge some rent and

01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:29.896
generate some revenue.

01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:31.016
Good idea.

01:50:31.040 --> 01:50:34.040
All right. Um council please  raise

01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:37.159
general business. , I had the pleasure

01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:40.520
of addressing the year 4 grade at St.

01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:43.576
He's still traumatized.

01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:45.655
Oh, they were lovely. They were

01:50:45.679 --> 01:50:47.655
fantastic at St. Cats. Um,

01:50:47.679 --> 01:50:49.416
they made him accountable.

01:50:49.440 --> 01:50:51.175
Well, they gave me some homework, which

01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:53.095
was good. They had lots of questions and

01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:54.776
they were very curious and also very

01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:56.615
switched on about government. So, there

01:50:56.639 --> 01:50:57.976
is a lot of hope for the coming

01:50:58.000 --> 01:50:59.976
generation. They were very curious

01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:02.056
around everything from campaigning right

01:51:02.080 --> 01:51:04.296
through to council. They even asked if

01:51:04.320 --> 01:51:06.215
the person that I beat was a bit drunk

01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:09.016
and I said no comment.

01:51:09.040 --> 01:51:11.736
Um they also provided some campaign

01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:13.736
advice in the future to say that St.

01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:15.175
Cath is the best school and I said I'll

01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:16.615
take that under adisement.

01:51:16.639 --> 01:51:18.215
Mhm. However, as part of their

01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:20.536
coursework, they are designing a rival

01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:21.736
Sonington.

01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:23.896
So they are coming together with ideas

01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:25.576
of how they would run their own councils

01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:27.655
if they were in charge. So I committed

01:51:27.679 --> 01:51:29.736
to them that I would bring each one of

01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:32.376
them one idea from their council to a

01:51:32.400 --> 01:51:34.536
council meeting. So I look forward to

01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:36.215
when they present that to me and I'll be

01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:38.296
presenting it to the council body.

01:51:38.320 --> 01:51:40.215
Fantastic. I can't wait. councellor

01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:40.776
Davis.

01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:42.695
Thank you. I just wanted to mention 

01:51:42.719 --> 01:51:45.336
as part of my my training budget, I

01:51:45.360 --> 01:51:47.175
attended a leadership conference last

01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:49.736
week. Women and leadership Australia was

01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:51.655
launched in 2004 for those who are

01:51:51.679 --> 01:51:53.976
interested.  guest speakers included

01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:55.575
many impressive female leaders from

01:51:55.599 --> 01:51:58.456
various sectors.  but I'll confess the

01:51:58.480 --> 01:52:00.296
highlight was a presentation from Julie

01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:03.175
Zamayo, the host of ABC

01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:06.056
and Char and Kitty Flanigan

01:52:06.080 --> 01:52:09.080
comedy Fisk. I just had to put that in.

01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:10.776
The most informative session was on

01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:13.256
artificial intelligence, a concept which

01:52:13.280 --> 01:52:16.280
act which actually began in 1956 at a UK

01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:18.056
workshop where mathematicians,

01:52:18.080 --> 01:52:19.976
psychologists, computer experts

01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:22.135
discussed and first used the term AI.

01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:23.496
You may all have known this but I

01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:26.520
didn't. Polly Polly does. So several

01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:30.760
interesting  points emanate from it

01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:33.960
that since the 1950s AI evolved with

01:52:34.080 --> 01:52:36.776
fairly various descriptors from machine

01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:37.976
learning

01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:41.000
in the 1980s you know all this too

01:52:41.360 --> 01:52:43.336
deep learning in the new millennium to

01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:46.360
the 2020s with genetive AI or Gen AI as

01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.575
we know it today. Research shows that AI

01:52:49.599 --> 01:52:51.416
is used by business owners largely for

01:52:51.440 --> 01:52:53.416
customer service, cyber security, fraud

01:52:53.440 --> 01:52:55.256
management, while other uses include

01:52:55.280 --> 01:52:56.615
inventory management, accounting,

01:52:56.639 --> 01:52:58.536
recruitment, talent sourcing through to

01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:00.776
audience segmentation. It seems there's

01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:02.856
a gender difference in the use of AI as

01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:04.776
research shows women in executive roles

01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:07.016
use use AI at higher rates than their

01:53:07.040 --> 01:53:09.655
male counterparts with 50% I thought

01:53:09.679 --> 01:53:11.816
that was interesting too with 50% of

01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:14.776
women indicating they use GI AI all the

01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.256
time while 38% of men claim to use it

01:53:17.280 --> 01:53:19.496
all the time but there was a sobering

01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:21.416
reality check about the reliability of

01:53:21.440 --> 01:53:23.575
AI according to Columbia University's

01:53:23.599 --> 01:53:26.536
tow center for digital journalism in USA

01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.776
of the eight search engines only four

01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:30.456
provided a greater number of correct

01:53:30.480 --> 01:53:33.480
responses. These included chat, GPT,

01:53:33.599 --> 01:53:36.456
Perplexity, Perplexity Pro, and Deepseek

01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:38.856
Search. The remaining four produced many

01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.936
more incorrect responses than correct

01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:43.095
ones. Copilot

01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:45.416
scored marginally better than Grock 2

01:53:45.440 --> 01:53:48.296
search, Grock 3 search, and lastly,

01:53:48.320 --> 01:53:50.456
Gemini, which is part of Google's

01:53:50.480 --> 01:53:52.615
platform. As a footnote, this

01:53:52.639 --> 01:53:54.376
interactive session gleaned responses

01:53:54.400 --> 01:53:56.856
from the female audience via QR code of

01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:59.416
course, which revealed 67 said they were

01:53:59.440 --> 01:54:01.336
somewhat confident in understanding

01:54:01.360 --> 01:54:04.360
using AI, while 33 were very confident

01:54:04.480 --> 01:54:06.856
and 40 said they were confident. Just

01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:08.695
over 20 said they were not all

01:54:08.719 --> 01:54:10.776
confident. So, I'll leave the brochure

01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:13.496
and slides in the council office for

01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:15.496
those who are interested.

01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:16.056
Thank you.

01:54:16.080 --> 01:54:17.575
Thank you, councellor Davis. , are

01:54:17.599 --> 01:54:19.336
there any items of general business the

01:54:19.360 --> 01:54:21.256
council would like to raise?

01:54:21.280 --> 01:54:23.175
Um, now it's my turn to ask for some

01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:25.095
indulgence. So, I'd like to make a

01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:26.946
statement. Um,

01:54:26.970 --> 01:54:28.216
[Applause]

01:54:28.240 --> 01:54:30.456
[Music]

01:54:30.480 --> 01:54:32.776
last month the Melbourne Magistrate's

01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:34.695
Court handed down a decision that was

01:54:34.719 --> 01:54:37.719
not only deeply personal for me, it was

01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.296
profoundly important for everyone in

01:54:40.320 --> 01:54:42.135
public life.

01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:44.776
The court found that Dean Hston, the

01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:47.175
president of Council Watch, had engaged

01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:50.056
in a sustained campaign of harassment

01:54:50.080 --> 01:54:53.080
and stalking against me. Conduct the

01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:55.816
magist magistrate described as targeted

01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:58.695
ridicule with gendered and personal

01:54:58.719 --> 01:55:01.256
undertones driven not by public

01:55:01.280 --> 01:55:04.280
interest, but driven by malice.

01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.095
The court found ample evidence of ill

01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:10.119
will, spite, and animosity from Dean

01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:13.239
Hston towards me. But behavior that was

01:55:13.440 --> 01:55:16.440
designed to humiliate, intimidate, and

01:55:16.639 --> 01:55:19.256
harm, not to engage in fair political

01:55:19.280 --> 01:55:21.736
commentary. And this behavior extended

01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:24.760
over six years. Magistrate Michelle

01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:27.416
Hodson was unequivocal.

01:55:27.440 --> 01:55:29.575
She ruled that Dean Holston had crossed

01:55:29.599 --> 01:55:32.599
the line from political debate into

01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:35.816
prohibited behavior, that his conduct

01:55:35.840 --> 01:55:38.840
amounted to harassment and stalking, and

01:55:38.960 --> 01:55:41.960
that deliberate humiliation, not satire,

01:55:42.320 --> 01:55:44.456
was the intent.

01:55:44.480 --> 01:55:46.135
She found that he was not a credible

01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:48.936
witness, that his expressions of regret

01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:51.960
regret were not genuine but tactical,

01:55:52.320 --> 01:55:54.296
and that he demonstrated a lack of

01:55:54.320 --> 01:55:57.095
insight and contrition for the harm that

01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:58.936
he caused.

01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:00.856
In recognition of the seriousness of

01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:03.336
this conduct, Magistrate Hodgson imposed

01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:06.360
a 2-year personal safety intervention

01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.416
order, double the normal length, and

01:56:09.440 --> 01:56:12.440
declared Dean Hston a prohibited person,

01:56:13.360 --> 01:56:15.095
meaning that he cannot hold a gun

01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:18.119
license during the term of the order.

01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:21.016
These are not routine findings. They

01:56:21.040 --> 01:56:23.736
reflect the gravity of what the court

01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.456
determined had occurred.

01:56:26.480 --> 01:56:28.695
For years, I've put up with relentless

01:56:28.719 --> 01:56:30.296
negativity,

01:56:30.320 --> 01:56:32.296
pure old name calling, and personal

01:56:32.320 --> 01:56:34.615
attacks from Dean Hston from Council

01:56:34.639 --> 01:56:37.639
Watch. It began when Stonnington Council

01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.856
voted to approve a new sports facility

01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.416
in Chadston Road to address a gap in

01:56:43.440 --> 01:56:46.440
facilities for women and girls.

01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:48.536
That's when the campaign became

01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:50.215
personal,

01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:53.239
deeply personal, with barely disguised

01:56:53.440 --> 01:56:56.440
race and gender-based abuse. This wasn't

01:56:57.280 --> 01:57:00.280
political commentary. This was bullying.

01:57:00.719 --> 01:57:03.175
This was trolling. This was breaches of

01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.199
my privacy and derogatory, racist, and

01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:09.175
misogynistic conduct.

01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:11.736
It has been highly distressing not only

01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:14.760
for me but for my 91year-old father, my

01:57:16.080 --> 01:57:19.016
three adolescent sons and my partner who

01:57:19.040 --> 01:57:21.016
had to stand there and watch this

01:57:21.040 --> 01:57:24.040
sustained attack to belittle, harass,

01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.695
intimidate and spread lies about me

01:57:28.719 --> 01:57:31.416
designed to incite hatred and threats of

01:57:31.440 --> 01:57:34.440
violence towards me and my family. The

01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:37.736
magistrate made it clear the protections

01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:40.760
for political discourse do not extend to

01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:43.976
conduct intended to cause harm,

01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:46.776
intimidate or harass under the guise of

01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:49.800
commentary. She said such behavior

01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:52.615
cannot be shielded by a superficial

01:57:52.639 --> 01:57:55.256
veneer of political communication or

01:57:55.280 --> 01:57:58.280
public interest journalism.

01:57:58.320 --> 01:58:01.320
And my case is not unique. As the ABC

01:58:01.440 --> 01:58:03.175
recently reported, more than 20

01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:06.056
councellors from across Victoria, most of

01:58:06.080 --> 01:58:09.080
them women have described Council Watch

01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:12.199
and Dean Hston as the source of

01:58:12.320 --> 01:58:14.376
personalized hate campaigns towards

01:58:14.400 --> 01:58:17.336
them. These campaigns have driven

01:58:17.360 --> 01:58:19.416
elected representatives to fear for

01:58:19.440 --> 01:58:22.440
their safety, to change how they live,

01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:25.175
and in some cases to walk away from

01:58:25.199 --> 01:58:27.976
public service altogether.

01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.056
When women in leadership are singled out

01:58:30.080 --> 01:58:33.080
for abuse, when our ethniCity, our

01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:36.199
appearance, our families become weapons

01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:39.800
against us, it sends a chilling message

01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:42.856
that our voices are not welcome. This is

01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:45.880
not democracy. That is intimidation.

01:58:46.320 --> 01:58:48.296
My deepest gratitude to my fellow

01:58:48.320 --> 01:58:51.320
councellors, our CEO Dixon, and our staff

01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:55.000
who stood beside me through this fight.

01:58:55.599 --> 01:58:57.736
I also want to publicly thank former

01:58:57.760 --> 01:58:59.736
councellors Paulolly Morgan and Aaron

01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.135
Davyy who have both experienced Dean

01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:05.159
Hston's behaviors firsthand. Your

01:59:05.360 --> 01:59:07.976
courage in speaking out has not only

01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.856
supported me but has also helped shine a

01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:13.880
light on a pattern that has gone on too

01:59:14.320 --> 01:59:16.536
long unchecked.

01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:18.536
I am proud of the priority that the City

01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:20.856
of Stonnington demonstrates towards the

01:59:20.880 --> 01:59:22.615
personal safety and well-being of all

01:59:22.639 --> 01:59:25.639
councellors and council employees. As a

01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:28.135
workplace and as a council, we have zero

01:59:28.159 --> 01:59:30.936
tolerance for harassment, bullying, or

01:59:30.960 --> 01:59:33.960
intimidation online or in person.

01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:37.416
Everyone has the right to feel safe and

01:59:37.440 --> 01:59:40.215
respected at work. It's also fitting

01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:42.615
that today marks the start of National

01:59:42.639 --> 01:59:44.936
No Bullying Week. A time when

01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.575
communities, schools, and workplaces

01:59:47.599 --> 01:59:49.575
unite to say there's no place for

01:59:49.599 --> 01:59:52.599
bullying in any part of our lives. The

01:59:52.719 --> 01:59:54.615
court's decision and the message we send

01:59:54.639 --> 01:59:56.936
here today stand squarely in that

01:59:56.960 --> 01:59:59.896
spirit. And I'm proud that as a sector,

01:59:59.920 --> 02:00:02.456
more of us are now saying enough is

02:00:02.480 --> 02:00:05.416
enough. This landmark decision sends a

02:00:05.440 --> 02:00:08.215
message to every woman in public life.

02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:10.776
You do not have to tolerate abuse about

02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:13.800
abuse masquerading as accountability.

02:00:14.080 --> 02:00:17.080
And to those like Dean Hston

02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:19.416
who believe that stalking, harassment,

02:00:19.440 --> 02:00:21.736
and humiliation are part of the rough

02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:24.376
and tumble of politics, well, your time

02:00:24.400 --> 02:00:26.936
is up. We cannot have a healthy

02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:29.496
democracy if good people are driven out

02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:32.296
by fear. We cannot serve our communities

02:00:32.320 --> 02:00:35.016
if we're constantly looking over our

02:00:35.040 --> 02:00:38.040
shoulders. And we will not have gender

02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:40.056
equality and leadership until we

02:00:40.080 --> 02:00:42.536
dismantle the structures and call out

02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:44.695
the individuals that weaponize

02:00:44.719 --> 02:00:47.719
harassment to silence women. For me,

02:00:48.400 --> 02:00:50.695
this fight was more about my own safety.

02:00:50.719 --> 02:00:53.496
It was about drawing a line. And today,

02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:56.520
that line is clear. Robust debate is

02:00:56.719 --> 02:00:58.456
well welcome. Even passionate

02:00:58.480 --> 02:01:01.336
disagreement is healthy. But sustained

02:01:01.360 --> 02:01:04.360
malicious harassment by Dean Hston and

02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:07.736
by Council Watch has no place in public

02:01:07.760 --> 02:01:10.760
life. Thank you.

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All right. I like that minutes as well.

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Copy. All right. councellors. Um there

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being no other general business, we now

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move into confidential business.  we

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have two conflicts of interest that have

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been declared. Um councellor Hilly, would

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you like to go first to

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No, we'll declare it then we'll leave

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and then we'll and then Oh, sorry. My

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apologies. We need to Sorry. Um we'll

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vote into confidential business. All

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those in favor? Sorry. Move. Thank you,

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councellor. I'm bit emotional from the

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last. Thank you. So moved. councellor

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Placara, second to councellor Huff. All

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those in favor to move into confidential

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business. Thank you. Um, can I ask

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members of the gallery to please leave

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and um and we will be back online

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shortly.

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Thank you. , that will now bring an

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end to our public meeting. We close the

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meeting at 9:08

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p.m. Um, we will now turn the live

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stream off and we ask those in the

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gallery who've already left and did not

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leave cuz they're gone. And thank you to

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those who joined us tonight um online.

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the meeting. We will return um next in a

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couple of weeks. So, I wish you all a

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wonderful week and thank you for joining

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us here this evening. Thank you.