WEBVTT 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.296 good evening everyone and welcome to 00:00:02.320 --> 00:00:03.976 the City of Stonnington council meeting 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.000 of Monday the 30th of March 2026. I'm 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:09.495 councelor Melina Sehr the Mayor of the 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.519 City of Stonnington. We'll begin with the 00:00:12.559 --> 00:00:14.615 statement of reconciliation. We 00:00:14.639 --> 00:00:15.976 acknowledge we are meeting on the 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:17.976 traditional lands the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung and 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:19.816 Bunurong Peoples of the East Kulin 00:00:19.840 --> 00:00:21.496 Nations and pay our respects to their 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:24.136 Elders past and present. We extend that 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.216 respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 00:00:26.240 --> 00:00:28.936 Islander Peoples. We acknowledge their 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:30.296 living connection to country, 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:31.976 relationship with the land, and all 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:33.976 living things extending back tens of 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.000 thousands of years. We now move to the 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.176 reading of the statement of commitment. 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:41.256 We're reminded that as councilors, we 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.016 are bound by our oath of office to 00:00:43.040 --> 00:00:45.096 undertake the duties of councelor in the 00:00:45.120 --> 00:00:46.695 best interests of the people of the City 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.096 of Stonnington and to faithfully and 00:00:49.120 --> 00:00:51.656 impartially carry out the functions, 00:00:51.680 --> 00:00:54.215 powers, authorities, and discretions 00:00:54.239 --> 00:00:56.535 vested in us under the local government 00:00:56.559 --> 00:00:59.559 act and any other relevant act. 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:01.736 Before we introduce councilors and 00:01:01.760 --> 00:01:03.175 officers, I'd like to take this 00:01:03.199 --> 00:01:05.415 opportunity to remind our 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:08.296 attendees of the behavioral expectations 00:01:08.320 --> 00:01:10.936 at council meetings. Members of the 00:01:10.960 --> 00:01:13.095 public are not permitted to address the 00:01:13.119 --> 00:01:14.856 council and may only do so with the 00:01:14.880 --> 00:01:16.775 consent of the chair or by prior 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.256 arrangement. Council provides an 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.095 opportunity for public engagement 00:01:21.119 --> 00:01:23.176 through the questions from the community 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.816 section of the meeting which requires 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:27.976 pre-registration with our governance 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.135 team. Any member of the public 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:32.616 addressing the council must extend due 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.640 courtesy and respect to the council and 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.455 the processes under which it operates 00:01:38.479 --> 00:01:40.296 and must take direction from the chair 00:01:40.320 --> 00:01:43.320 whenever called on to do so. A member of 00:01:43.600 --> 00:01:45.256 the public in attendance at a council 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:47.656 meeting must not disrupt the meeting. 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.576 Any member who disrupts the meeting or 00:01:49.600 --> 00:01:51.336 fails to comply with the direction of 00:01:51.360 --> 00:01:53.576 the issue may be asked to leave the 00:01:53.600 --> 00:01:55.896 council meeting. I'll now introduce my 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.055 councils around the table. To my left 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:00.936 from Toorak Ward is councelor Tom Humphries. 00:02:00.960 --> 00:02:02.775 From Orrong Ward our Deputy Mayor 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:04.616 councelor Samantha Choudhury from 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.936 Wattletree Ward Council Steve Stefanopoulos 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:08.935 and to my right from Hedgely Dene Ward 00:02:08.959 --> 00:02:11.496 councelor Sally Davis from Como Ward 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.976 councelor Meghan Hopper and from South Yarra 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.215 Ward Councelor Kate Hely and from 00:02:16.239 --> 00:02:18.295 Tooronga Ward Councelor Jamie Bell who's 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:19.976 attending the meeting online and is up 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.456 on the screen behind me. our executive 00:02:22.480 --> 00:02:24.056 manager of governance and public 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.736 affairs, Xavier Smerdon, will now 00:02:25.760 --> 00:02:27.016 introduce our staff. 00:02:27.040 --> 00:02:29.736 Thank you to you, Mayor behind us 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:31.656 is Emily Stockdale, senior governance 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:34.680 officer, and Evelyn ? governance officer. 00:02:35.200 --> 00:02:37.176 To your far right is Julia Gallace 00:02:37.200 --> 00:02:39.736 chief financial officer Cath Harrod director 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:41.016 planning community and Edward 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:43.736 Wilkinson, manager of City planning. To 00:02:43.760 --> 00:02:45.656 your far left is Simon Holloway, 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:47.656 director of environment infrastructure. 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.336 Danielle Mazone, director of 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.855 organization capability. and to your 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:52.536 immediate right Dale Dixon, the 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:53.736 CEO. 00:02:53.760 --> 00:02:56.295 thank you Mr. Smerdon. 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.456 All right, we have apologies and I note 00:02:58.480 --> 00:03:00.215 that councelor Jami Klisaris, there's an 00:03:00.239 --> 00:03:01.736 apology for this meeting and a leave of 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:03.495 absence was endorsed at the council 00:03:03.519 --> 00:03:06.519 meeting on the 16th of March, 2026 00:03:07.519 --> 00:03:09.336 are there any apologies for future 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.896 meetings? 00:03:11.920 --> 00:03:13.575 There being none, councilors, we move to 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.096 adoption and confirmation of minutes of 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.575 previous meetings to we have one 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:19.176 set of minutes listed for adoption 00:03:19.200 --> 00:03:20.696 tonight. The minutes of the council 00:03:20.720 --> 00:03:23.720 meeting held on the 16th of March, 2026. 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.376 Can I have a mover in a second? Moved. 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.536 Councelor Davis. Councilor Hopper. Second. 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.016 Any changes? Councelor Davis. Moved as 00:03:31.040 --> 00:03:33.256 printed. Councilor Hopper. Any other 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.176 commentary? Councilors. All those in 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:37.256 favor of adopting the minutes. Those 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.976 minutes are carried unanimously. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.056 Councilors, we now move to disclosure by 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.056 councilors of any conflicts of interest. 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:45.495 There any conflicts of interest to 00:03:45.519 --> 00:03:48.519 declare on items on tonight's agenda? 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:49.976 There being none, we now move to 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:51.575 questions to the council from the 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.256 community. And we have a number of 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:54.775 questions this evening. And there were 00:03:54.799 --> 00:03:56.935 four valid submissions from the 00:03:56.959 --> 00:03:59.016 community for tonight's meeting. All to 00:03:59.040 --> 00:04:01.575 be presented in person. And for the 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.096 benefit of those joining us tonight, 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.736 I'll briefly outline the process. I'll 00:04:05.760 --> 00:04:07.816 invite the submitter by name to move to 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.056 the middle of the gallery to address the 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.376 council. If it's easier, I notice it's a 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:13.816 bit of a packed gallery, so it's more 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.656 comfortable. Please stay where you are. 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.495 The submitter will have up to 3 minutes 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:19.335 to ask their question or to make a 00:04:19.359 --> 00:04:21.895 statement. At the 2 and 1/2 minute mark, 00:04:21.919 --> 00:04:24.455 you'll hear the bell ring once. 00:04:24.479 --> 00:04:26.296 that's to indicate that you've got 30 00:04:26.320 --> 00:04:28.536 seconds remaining. At the conclusion of 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.216 the 3 minutes, you will hear the bell 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.016 ring twice, at which point I will ask 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.336 that you finish speaking. In accordance 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:36.696 with the governance rules, these 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.536 submissions which relate to items on 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:40.296 tonight's agenda will not be referred to 00:04:40.320 --> 00:04:42.615 officers for response. However, 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:44.376 councilors may wish to facilitate 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:45.976 discussion of the submission during the 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.216 discussion for the relevant item. And 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.216 I'll note that we do have three 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.216 speakers this evening in relation to 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.615 3840 Bruce Street Toorak which is on 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.175 tonight's agenda. So submitters will be 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.336 visible and audible to all councilors, 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:00.776 council officers in the gallery and 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.696 audible to the public watching the live 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.256 stream online. I'll also take the 00:05:05.280 --> 00:05:07.256 opportunity to remind submit to please 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:09.416 use the wording of the presubmitted 00:05:09.440 --> 00:05:11.015 question or statement and to ensure that 00:05:11.039 --> 00:05:13.656 it remains in line with council's mutual 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.680 respect charter. I now invite our 00:05:17.440 --> 00:05:20.376 first speaker um I vote Gazeppi to read 00:05:20.400 --> 00:05:22.776 a statement in relation to agenda item 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.800 8.2 planning application for 38 to 40 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.639 Bruce Street Toorak over to you. 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.759 Welcome. My name is ? 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.455 and I'm here now to formally object to 00:05:36.479 --> 00:05:39.096 the proposed development of 38. 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:40.136 Can you speak up? 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:41.496 Sorry. 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:42.936 I'm here to formally object to the 00:05:42.960 --> 00:05:45.960 proposed development of 38 to 40 Bruce street 00:05:46.400 --> 00:05:48.136 which seeks approval of four story 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.216 resident building plus a basement with 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:51.895 nights. 00:05:51.919 --> 00:05:54.136 The grounds of objection height and 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.696 scale and lustery of the neighborhood 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:58.696 character. The proposed seeks to 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.615 introduce four stories built form 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.056 whereas the surrounding properties 00:06:02.080 --> 00:06:05.080 compromised to two stories. The building 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.199 is double in height and from the low 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.096 scale residents and characters of Bruce 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:13.735 Street. The proposed height is massive 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.136 and appears 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.160 um sorry intrusive and visually 00:06:19.520 --> 00:06:21.496 overwhelming forming to respect the 00:06:21.520 --> 00:06:24.455 responsive existing streetscape. Number 00:06:24.479 --> 00:06:26.776 two, overlooking and see loss of 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.015 privacy. The development will result in 00:06:29.039 --> 00:06:31.416 five lobbies with direct line of sight 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:34.216 into our front yard and our rear yard as 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.240 well as intellig areas. 00:06:37.440 --> 00:06:39.496 The screening measures are neither are 00:06:39.520 --> 00:06:42.216 either inadequate or absent entirely and 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.216 will not mitigate the direct visual 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.240 constru intrusion to the adjo and 00:06:47.440 --> 00:06:50.440 private open space. Significant number 00:06:50.880 --> 00:06:52.936 three significant overshadowing and loss 00:06:52.960 --> 00:06:55.895 of morning sun. The height and bulk and 00:06:55.919 --> 00:06:57.816 the sitting of the proposed will cast 00:06:57.840 --> 00:06:59.895 substantial morning shadows across the 00:06:59.919 --> 00:07:02.216 property to remove much of the sunlight 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.240 can't receive. Morning sun particularly 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.216 visible and passive solar gain in the 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:10.936 amenities that will lose mutually 00:07:10.960 --> 00:07:13.416 dismissed and livable functionality of 00:07:13.440 --> 00:07:16.440 our home. Number four, the overdeveloped 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:18.696 development of the site. The proposal of 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.096 nine logging combined with a high 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.416 footprint and the basement 00:07:23.440 --> 00:07:26.136 represents a clear overdevelopment 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.936 and failing to align the intensity and 00:07:28.960 --> 00:07:31.096 expectations of this part of British 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.175 tour. 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.256 Number five, 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:37.096 present concerns and erosion of 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.856 neighborhood character allowing 00:07:38.880 --> 00:07:41.880 development at this scale is dangerous. 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:43.976 president for our future multi-story 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.216 construction in our area. Historically 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.936 and consistently overdeveloped with 00:07:48.960 --> 00:07:51.656 residential. Number six, traffic and 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.336 parking. 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:54.936 Bruce Street has already experienced 00:07:54.960 --> 00:07:57.175 high traffic volume, 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.175 constrained parking and difficult 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.816 sidewalks. The proposal will introduce 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:04.840 traffic and nine additional dwellings. 00:08:05.919 --> 00:08:08.536 Um increase vehicle movements from the 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.560 basement rack and intensify 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.240 already busy and often dangerous street. 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.216 Conclusion is we opposed to the 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.240 development and we prepared to engage 00:08:21.280 --> 00:08:23.895 that to act on our behalf. 00:08:23.919 --> 00:08:25.816 We just urge the council to take 00:08:25.840 --> 00:08:27.496 consideration. Thank you very much. 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:30.376 Thank you for your presentation. I now 00:08:30.400 --> 00:08:33.400 move to Andrew Pinter to rise to read 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.135 a statement also in relation to agenda 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.159 item 8.2 38 to 40 Bruce Street. Thank you 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.736 Andrew. Thank you worship. Thank you 00:08:41.760 --> 00:08:44.760 counselors. I represent seven members of 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.416 my family. 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:49.896 My parents now own my late great 00:08:49.920 --> 00:08:52.920 apartment at two of 45 Washington Street 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:57.000 together with apartments one and three. 00:08:57.680 --> 00:09:00.680 Apartments two on ground level and three 00:09:00.959 --> 00:09:03.959 on the second story place the north to 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.120 the south of the proposed development. 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.320 At 45 Washington Street, there are six 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.000 habitable areas with windows and one 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.200 courtyard across two apartments, two 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:22.040 lounge rooms, two dining rooms, and two 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.776 kitchens. They're overwhelmingly 00:09:24.800 --> 00:09:27.800 impacted by the proposed four story 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.480 Goliath like structure. 00:09:31.839 --> 00:09:34.839 The visual bulk of the development is 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:37.880 overwhelming, brutal, and beyond 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.480 reasonable. 00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:44.856 Apart from one property in Bruce Street 00:09:44.880 --> 00:09:47.880 aligned and allied with the robustness 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.336 of Williams Road, 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.360 Kooyong Park and the Royal South Yarra Tennis 00:09:54.640 --> 00:09:57.495 Club, the neighborhood character of 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:59.576 Bruce Street and the adjacent app and 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.600 approximate side streets as comprised of 00:10:02.880 --> 00:10:05.815 single, double and threestory 00:10:05.839 --> 00:10:08.056 residences. 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:10.616 four stories is at odds with the 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:13.255 character of the relevant residential 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:14.856 area. 00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:17.016 The character of properties on Williams 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:19.255 Road or those abing Williams Road 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.279 properties is distinctly different to 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.696 the character of the properties on the 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.720 much less robust side streets including 00:10:27.920 --> 00:10:29.815 Bruce Street. 00:10:29.839 --> 00:10:32.839 In 2011, VCAT rejected a development 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.279 application at nearby 27 to 29 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:39.016 Washington Street Tour with the 00:10:39.040 --> 00:10:41.976 four story design. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.000 Case of Loma circulated this afternoon 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:47.896 was rejected against neighborhood 00:10:47.920 --> 00:10:50.136 character and on the grounds of visual 00:10:50.160 --> 00:10:53.160 fault due to it being four stories. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.776 Four stories both vote out of character 00:10:56.800 --> 00:10:59.255 and diminish the longstanding character 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.136 of the neighbor. Four stories would be 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:04.935 at the start. 00:11:04.959 --> 00:11:06.935 Thank you, Andrew. 00:11:06.959 --> 00:11:09.959 I now invite John Man to also read 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:12.935 a statement in relation to agenda item 00:11:12.959 --> 00:11:15.959 8.238 to 40 Bruce Street Toorak. Thank 00:11:16.160 --> 00:11:16.696 you, John. 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.576 Good evening, Mayor and councilors. My 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:21.976 name is John Man. My wife Tina and I 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:23.736 lived in Bruce Street for approximately 00:11:23.760 --> 00:11:26.760 20 years, 15 of which at number 43 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.616 where we reside with our two children 00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:32.776 Tom 16 and Grace 14. We're 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:34.696 accordingly well acquainted with the 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:36.696 street, the neighborhood, its look and 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.656 feel and its architectural character. 00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:42.680 The proposed development 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.720 has been discussed. I move on. Um we 00:11:46.160 --> 00:11:48.935 have no objection to development um of 00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:51.576 the site. is undertaken tastefully and 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.656 consistently with the character of the 00:11:53.680 --> 00:11:56.296 neighborhood. We do however have several 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:57.896 concerns about the proposed 00:11:57.920 --> 00:12:00.920 development at hand. Size involved. 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.336 Whilst the design may have merit in 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:05.736 isolation, it must be assessed in the 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:08.296 context of its proposed location. The 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.296 size and bulk of the proposed 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:12.935 development is wholly inappropriate 38 00:12:12.959 --> 00:12:15.576 to 40 Bruce Street Toorak. The development 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.576 occupies most of the block on the south 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:19.416 side of Bruce Street which sits on the 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:22.296 higher side of the north side um where 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.935 our home is located. So above our home, 00:12:24.959 --> 00:12:26.856 it will completely dominate the east 00:12:26.880 --> 00:12:29.880 side um east end of Bruce Street which 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.615 has pointed out before is marketkedly 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.456 different in character from the western 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:36.776 end of Bruce Street. The development 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:38.375 will dominate and overlook our 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.776 children's first four bedrooms, bathroom 00:12:40.800 --> 00:12:42.776 and dining room, all of which face the 00:12:42.800 --> 00:12:45.416 side. Noise The addition of nine 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:47.656 apartments u each with a balcony and 00:12:47.680 --> 00:12:49.495 entertainment areas will result in 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.055 considerable noise um in which what is 00:12:52.079 --> 00:12:54.296 otherwise at night a quiet residential 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.935 street storm water the existing storm 00:12:56.959 --> 00:12:59.656 water system at Bruce Street already 00:12:59.680 --> 00:13:01.736 struggles with capacity often resulting 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:04.615 to flooding of properties including ours 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:07.639 a nvel um a nar development directly 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.016 across the road will inevitably ex 00:13:11.040 --> 00:13:14.040 exasperate these issues sewage A similar 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.856 concern arises regarding sewage. D sewer 00:13:16.880 --> 00:13:19.096 running down Bruce Street recently 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.656 experiences blockages which we have 00:13:21.680 --> 00:13:24.536 experienced firsthand. Nine additional 00:13:24.560 --> 00:13:26.216 apartments can only compound these 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.176 issues. Parking. It is already extremely 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.176 difficult to secure off street parking 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.176 particularly during week nights and on a 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.200 working um working week. Whilst each 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:38.536 apartment has two underground car parks, 00:13:38.560 --> 00:13:40.136 but three bed roomed apartments may 00:13:40.160 --> 00:13:42.696 generate more vehicles requiring at 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.656 least one car on the street. Visitors 00:13:45.680 --> 00:13:47.576 to the development will further reduce 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:49.576 street parking available to existing 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.296 rate payers. There are other issues. 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.136 There are issues concerning the um 00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:56.055 council's planning report and subsequent 00:13:56.079 --> 00:13:58.776 negotiations. Our request, we 00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:00.615 respectively request the council does 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:02.776 not approve the planning permit sought 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:04.536 by the applicant unless the applicant 00:14:04.560 --> 00:14:07.560 either removes an entire floor of four 00:14:07.920 --> 00:14:09.016 apartments from the proposed 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:10.696 development. We note that there is 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.336 precedent as mentioned before um for 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.576 this type of permanent condition made by 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.896 the City of Stonnington in respect of other 00:14:17.920 --> 00:14:20.920 proposed developments or requires the 00:14:21.040 --> 00:14:22.856 applicant to redesign the proposed 00:14:22.880 --> 00:14:25.880 development completely. 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.175 just 00:14:29.199 --> 00:14:31.815 we've looked consistent with the 00:14:31.839 --> 00:14:33.576 neighborhood. We have we hope our 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.495 submission meets with the council's 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.576 favorable consideration. Thank you very 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:38.696 much for your time. 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:41.336 Thank you thank you John. I now 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:43.656 invite our last speaker for this 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:46.136 evening and that's Christopher and I 00:14:46.160 --> 00:14:48.136 hope I pronounce this correctly, Tracy. 00:14:48.160 --> 00:14:50.696 Tracy to read a statement in relation to 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.576 agenda item 8.1 which is a digital 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.136 parking permit implementation. Chris, I 00:14:56.160 --> 00:14:58.136 apologize if I pronounced your surname 00:14:58.160 --> 00:14:59.656 incorrectly. 00:14:59.680 --> 00:15:02.136 Thank you. 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:05.160 My question, first question is, why has 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.360 the CEO and council achieve broad rate 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.776 response to the implementation of the 00:15:10.800 --> 00:15:13.576 digital parking scheme? 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.055 My second question is why does council 00:15:16.079 --> 00:15:19.016 have more than $46 million outstanding 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:21.896 inflation defiance? What action can 00:15:21.920 --> 00:15:24.216 council take to collect these assets? 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.016 more than 35 million is outstanding for 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:28.856 more than once per year. 00:15:28.880 --> 00:15:30.856 Thank you. 00:15:30.880 --> 00:15:33.175 All right thank you Mr. Tracy. Now 00:15:33.199 --> 00:15:34.776 the first one because it's listed on 00:15:34.800 --> 00:15:36.456 tonight's agenda under our governance 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.136 rules. We can't respond to it. So my 00:15:38.160 --> 00:15:41.016 apologies. But the second one um if I 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:42.696 could ask you to read that again in 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.696 relation to the number of fines, we will 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.416 we can answer that particular one. 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:49.495 Why does council have more than 46 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.175 million outstanding in relation to 00:15:51.199 --> 00:15:54.199 fines? What action can our council take 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.399 to collect these 35 million is for more 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.375 than one year. Right. 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.399 Thank you. Who would you like to Julia? 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.375 May just if you could speak up Julia 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.136 because we've got members of the gallery 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:13.016 that are struggling to hear. Thank you. 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:16.040 So fines are escalated to fines Victoria 00:16:16.880 --> 00:16:19.096 if council's measures are unsuccessful. 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.120 So a fine 6 months old. It goes to 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.416 Finance Victoria to collect on our 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.136 behalf. Historically, their collection 00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:30.856 rates have been very low. They have 00:16:30.880 --> 00:16:33.815 improved over the last couple of years. 00:16:33.839 --> 00:16:36.536 Um, but their collection rates 00:16:36.560 --> 00:16:39.560 are less than 5% with debts over 12 00:16:40.560 --> 00:16:43.560 months old. Um, so it would take some 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:47.480 advocacy from all collective councils 00:16:48.560 --> 00:16:50.536 that use Fire Bank Victoria to actually 00:16:50.560 --> 00:16:53.560 change that data. Like I said, they have 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.976 improved their systems over the last 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.696 couple of years, but it's still um 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.720 impacting on council's cash flow. 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.136 Thank you, Mr. Tracy. And if there's 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:05.496 further information you'd like on that 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:06.856 particular issue, there's there's 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:08.616 ombudsman's reports. There's a lot of 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.136 information around the challenges that 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.160 fines Victoria have faced not just to 00:17:13.360 --> 00:17:15.096 Stonnington but across the state in 00:17:15.120 --> 00:17:17.496 recovering fines for councils and for 00:17:17.520 --> 00:17:19.576 other authorities. Their track records 00:17:19.600 --> 00:17:22.136 approval but look thank you very much 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.655 for your submissions. Now councelor 00:17:23.679 --> 00:17:25.655 Davis you wanted to make a statement. 00:17:25.679 --> 00:17:25.976 Yes. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.976 I just wanted to clarify whether there 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.136 are members of the East Mold Junior 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.015 Soccer Club here. 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:31.576 Yes. 00:17:31.600 --> 00:17:33.576 Okay. I just wanted to explain there 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:36.535 essentially a misunderstanding of the 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.559 process I suggested um with the email 00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:42.456 exchange. I I suggested that you could 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.480 vent your issue at this very forum we 00:17:45.840 --> 00:17:48.535 just had and I provided the link and 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:50.136 I said I would ask a question in 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.160 council. So given you've missed that 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.056 opportunity I will ask the director 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:58.775 involved regarding your concern and as I 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.616 also mentioned in the correspondence 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.640 that it really is the domain of the 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:06.760 director of the sport and recreation 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.655 area to oversee that councilors can't be 00:18:09.679 --> 00:18:12.136 involved directly in the allocation of 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.096 sports grounds. So on that note, um to 00:18:15.120 --> 00:18:17.096 save you waiting for our questions to 00:18:17.120 --> 00:18:19.976 council officers, which is several 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.376 agenda items away, rather than having to 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.336 wait here, I'll just I'll ask the 00:18:25.360 --> 00:18:27.895 director to explain what what will 00:18:27.919 --> 00:18:30.919 happen without your your questions. 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:34.039 Miss Har, could you please explain what 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.616 is happening at school 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.640 process for Thank you, Mayor. Um so the 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.216 questions have been forwarded through to 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.015 me and I've forwarded as to my team and 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.895 requested a briefing on the issue. I'm 00:18:47.919 --> 00:18:49.655 very much aware that this club has had 00:18:49.679 --> 00:18:52.216 some significant growth which is 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.775 exceptional and can we applaud that. Um 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:56.456 I'm asking for a briefing. What I'll 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:58.136 probably do is also reach out to the 00:18:58.160 --> 00:18:59.976 relevant clubs to have a a meeting with 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.056 me to understand what the issues are. 00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:04.136 I've asked um around what the options 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.736 are and the solutions. So that's coming 00:19:05.760 --> 00:19:08.535 to me early week and then I'll reach out 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.559 to the council. 00:19:11.679 --> 00:19:14.679 So come through all of that. 00:19:17.120 --> 00:19:19.496 Um and we did bring that agenda item 00:19:19.520 --> 00:19:21.976 forward um so that you have to sit 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.336 through the whole meeting just noting 00:19:23.360 --> 00:19:25.816 that miscommunication. So So thank you 00:19:25.840 --> 00:19:27.736 and we will council still deal with 00:19:27.760 --> 00:19:29.655 questions to council officers later in 00:19:29.679 --> 00:19:31.655 the meeting. we haven't dealt with 00:19:31.679 --> 00:19:33.496 that item as yet. So, thank you for 00:19:33.520 --> 00:19:36.216 attending this evening. All right, 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.616 councilors, we now move on to the main 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:40.616 items of business in today's meeting. 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.640 And I will now move to item 8.1, the 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:46.856 digital parking permit implementation. 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.336 And the recommendation is on your 00:19:49.360 --> 00:19:52.136 screen. Do I have a mover and a second? 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:53.015 So moved. 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:54.376 Council Stephan Hopkins. Do I have a 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:57.400 second? 00:19:58.320 --> 00:20:01.015 Council Healey. Council. 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:02.936 Thank you, Mayor. Um, as outlined in the 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:04.775 report, , there's been extensive 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.096 community feedback to this proposal that 00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:08.936 the council had made a decision upon a 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:10.856 couple months ago. Um, we've taken that 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:12.696 feedback on board. The CEO has provided 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:14.856 us with additional um, information with 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.576 regarding the costs associated with 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:19.736 implementing um, our resident parking 00:20:19.760 --> 00:20:22.616 scheme. We note in this that 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.496 approximately 27.5% of all resident 00:20:25.520 --> 00:20:28.216 resident sorry residential properties in 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.240 Stoington are impacted by this. um which 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:33.176 means that a vast majority of Stonian 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.576 residents have been subsidizing this um 00:20:35.600 --> 00:20:38.600 scheme for many many decades and um 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.256 we've also noted that we have had 00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:43.256 further conversations amongst counselors 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:46.280 to ensure that um people like 00:20:47.120 --> 00:20:49.816 Department of Affairs gold card holders 00:20:49.840 --> 00:20:51.496 supporting accessibility for the cohort 00:20:51.520 --> 00:20:54.520 of the community um and others in that 00:20:55.360 --> 00:20:58.216 realm who need support will be carefully 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.535 managed. There are a number of elderly 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.559 people and those um disabled, some of 00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:05.416 which we have very close family members 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.816 of who will be taken care of in terms of 00:21:07.840 --> 00:21:09.416 physical permits, but they are the 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:11.256 exception to the rule, not the norm any 00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:13.096 longer. Many other municipalities have 00:21:13.120 --> 00:21:15.736 moved down to this this um scheme of 00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:17.816 digital parking permits. It's not an 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:20.535 unusual thing to occur. Um and we've 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:22.775 also have outlined in the report all the 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.799 other um impacts on our community which 00:21:25.840 --> 00:21:28.216 we acknowledge but we know that we are 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.895 um in a tight for school environment and 00:21:29.919 --> 00:21:32.376 we need to ensure that we manage our um 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.176 expend expenditure and income um 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.015 sufficiently. 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:38.376 Thank you councelor Stefanopoulos. 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:39.496 Councelor Yuri 00:21:39.520 --> 00:21:42.520 thank you. my first interaction with 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:45.015 the City of Stington was not in this 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.816 chamber. Um but it was a street meeting 00:21:47.840 --> 00:21:49.256 that I called with my local 00:21:49.280 --> 00:21:50.696 representatives because council had 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.720 removed one car park, one car park from 00:21:54.080 --> 00:21:56.616 our little South Yara Street. And as an 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:58.456 outsider that sounds trivial, but to us 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:00.775 it was an outrage. Um we knew that in a 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.535 neighborhood as tight as ours, losing 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.856 just one spot would fundamentally 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:06.775 disrupt the equilibrium of the whole 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:08.696 block. And I tell you this because I 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.936 want people to know that I understand. I 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.015 get it. I know how deeply personal 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.336 parking is. And I know the feeling of 00:22:15.360 --> 00:22:17.895 circling the block after a long day at 00:22:17.919 --> 00:22:19.496 work exhausted. And I also know the 00:22:19.520 --> 00:22:21.015 stress of having a week's worth of 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:22.696 groceries and two toddlers in the back 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:24.936 of the car on the brink of a meltdown 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.576 and to find the straight full. And that 00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:29.416 when there are too many cars competing 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.440 for limited space to not be able to find 00:22:33.760 --> 00:22:35.816 the car park that you need and you want 00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:37.015 at that time can make you feel 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.039 completely feral. Um so understand that. 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.376 But the reality that we face and we 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.216 can't ignore is that there are simply 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.216 too many permits for not enough car 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.535 spaces. We're facing a population 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.535 density being thrust upon us by the 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.616 state government and with the potential 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.176 removal of minimum parking requirements 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:57.576 for new builds. So lucky your 00:22:57.600 --> 00:23:00.135 development even has two car parks per 00:23:00.159 --> 00:23:02.296 um per residence cuz that will going out 00:23:02.320 --> 00:23:04.456 the window soon. The pressure on local 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.015 streets is only going to intensify. So 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.256 at some point we have to ask ourselves 00:23:09.280 --> 00:23:11.096 how do we manage that pressure? How do 00:23:11.120 --> 00:23:13.015 we ensure fairness? And to answer that, 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:14.696 we have to zoom out from our individual 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.096 doors and look at the complete parking 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:19.736 ecosystem. Our current limit system was 00:23:19.760 --> 00:23:22.616 created in 1995. And in the 30 years 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.640 since, car ownership has surged 130%. 00:23:25.679 --> 00:23:27.655 Our local population has increased by 00:23:27.679 --> 00:23:30.135 20%. In another 20 years, the population 00:23:30.159 --> 00:23:32.856 will grow by another 20%. Our streets 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.936 are finite and they're an overleveraged 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.936 resource. And we've reached the breaking 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:38.696 point where we've issued more permits 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.775 than we have physical pieces of road. 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.456 The system as it stands is not 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.856 sustainable in the long term. And if you 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:46.856 look at the maths, officers have told us 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.880 that last year it cost us 4.36 million 00:23:50.159 --> 00:23:51.895 just to run the residential parking 00:23:51.919 --> 00:23:54.376 scheme which includes enforcement and 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.456 infringement administration, traffic 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.216 engineering, signage and and 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.456 administration. And this is the part 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.480 that Stephen offers council st outline 00:24:03.919 --> 00:24:06.056 as well that many people don't realize 00:24:06.080 --> 00:24:09.080 that 72.5% of households are not part of 00:24:09.120 --> 00:24:11.096 the system. So it means that we've been 00:24:11.120 --> 00:24:13.255 running a massive cost subsidy. We're 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.576 effectively asking a renter and a studio 00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:18.456 apartment to pay for multicar household 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.015 private use of public land. And even 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.496 with the estimated 2.575 00:24:23.520 --> 00:24:25.015 million in new revenue from this 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:27.336 purpose, it won't fully offset the $4.4 00:24:27.360 --> 00:24:29.655 million it cost us to provide the 00:24:29.679 --> 00:24:31.895 service. So logically and ethically, 00:24:31.919 --> 00:24:34.535 it's neither sustainable nor fair. And 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:35.976 while we've grown accustomed to these 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.216 spaces being free, the hard truth is 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.056 that they've never truly been free. 00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:42.135 There's a significant opportunity cost 00:24:42.159 --> 00:24:44.696 for how we use our limited bit. Every 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.936 square meter of public land. 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:47.976 Thank you. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.296 that we prioritize exclusively for 00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:52.376 stationary car storage as a meter that 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.535 we cannot defy by definition used for 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:56.616 anything else. A space that we can't use 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.376 for street trees or wide footpaths or 00:24:58.400 --> 00:24:59.736 the greeny and cycling infrastructure 00:24:59.760 --> 00:25:01.496 that lot more people in the community 00:25:01.520 --> 00:25:04.296 wanting. And if we allocate entirety of 00:25:04.320 --> 00:25:06.535 our public size space to stationary 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.456 vehicles, we aren't just providing 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:10.535 parking. We're making a choice to dep 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.696 prioritize other community benefits. And 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.296 I'm saying this not because I'm making a 00:25:14.320 --> 00:25:16.216 case to do way of parking. No, no, no. 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:17.576 That's not what I'm saying. But I want 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:19.015 to make it clear that these spaces 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:21.015 should not be seen as free and should 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.336 not be seen as providing no value. They 00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:25.255 have value and their potential usage for 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.816 other community priorities. They should 00:25:27.840 --> 00:25:30.216 be managed and recognized as such. And 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.696 we know that South Gara 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.135 is that again? Oh, 00:25:34.159 --> 00:25:35.416 how much time have you got, Council 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:35.816 Healey? 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:36.696 Two sentences. 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:37.176 Go for it. 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.200 Thank you. Um, 00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:42.296 homes are expensive. Off street parking 00:25:42.320 --> 00:25:45.320 is expensive. The land of of a car 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.496 parking spot is about 15 square meters. 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:49.655 And in South, that's worth approximately 00:25:49.679 --> 00:25:51.176 $150,000. 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.135 So $60 a year for priority access to 00:25:54.159 --> 00:25:56.056 that real estate is quite frankly the 00:25:56.080 --> 00:25:57.655 best deal in Australia. You're 00:25:57.679 --> 00:26:00.456 effectively renting $150,000 worth of 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.480 Prime South land in my ward for the 00:26:03.919 --> 00:26:06.919 price of about eight oat magic latte 00:26:07.120 --> 00:26:09.015 coffees, which was my favorite coffee. 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:10.936 So, I I understand that people are 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.775 really upset about this change, but I 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.456 think the change needed to happen at 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.456 some point or another, and there's a 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.216 clear case as to why that needed to 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.576 happen now. Thank you. 00:26:19.600 --> 00:26:20.936 Thank you, Council Hilly. Councelor 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.456 Davis. Thank you. 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:23.895 Yes. 00:26:23.919 --> 00:26:26.616 , this council has been compelled to 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:28.376 make some difficult decisions since it 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.856 was elected in 2024. 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:32.535 We discovered that many fees and 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.216 services have not been increased 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.240 incrementally over many, many years. Nor 00:26:37.520 --> 00:26:39.416 were they thoroughly benchmarked against 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.976 other municipalities. While operational 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.056 and supplier costs have increased, 00:26:44.080 --> 00:26:47.080 council charges have not. The reality is 00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:49.416 Stonnington has been generous in the last 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.736 by providing two free permits and 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:53.736 providing the option of three additional 00:26:53.760 --> 00:26:56.760 paid permits. This is in stark contrast 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.616 to the seven Melbourne Metropolitan 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.936 Councils which were benchmarked to 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.960 ascertain the difference in policy. As 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:05.655 stated in the officer's report, there 00:27:05.679 --> 00:27:07.895 are around 25,000 properties that are 00:27:07.919 --> 00:27:10.456 not eligible for parking permits. And 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.616 this number will increase exponentially 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.775 as new multi-unit developments are 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.255 constructed throughout the municipality. 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.096 This is because owners and residents 00:27:19.120 --> 00:27:21.096 living in any new multi-unit 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:23.015 developments, which were built after 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.039 2007, cannot acquire a parking permit. 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.976 This refers to anything from two unit 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.856 town houses to multi-unit highrise 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.176 developments. So, I've been criticized 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.775 before for saying that it was a 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.336 privilege to have a permit. Well, this 00:27:39.360 --> 00:27:41.655 just illustrates how it is indeed a 00:27:41.679 --> 00:27:43.655 privilege to have access to a parking 00:27:43.679 --> 00:27:45.976 permit when council is not issuing them 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.535 anymore for multi-unit development 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.559 inhabitants owners. 00:27:51.600 --> 00:27:53.015 So, it's not just happening in 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.176 Stonnington. It's a policy adopted by 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.336 many municipalities that acknowledge 00:27:57.360 --> 00:27:59.096 there is not enough parking space for 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:01.655 the increasing number of cars. And let's 00:28:01.679 --> 00:28:04.056 revisit why parking permit schemes are 00:28:04.080 --> 00:28:05.816 introduced in the various streets in the 00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:07.816 first place for residents living within 00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:09.655 the fringe of an activity center such as 00:28:09.679 --> 00:28:11.816 shops and schools is a constant source 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:13.655 of frustration that their streets must 00:28:13.679 --> 00:28:16.679 accommodate overspill from visitors. 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.696 Therefore, residents often demand that 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.535 council introduce parking permits to 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.056 provide them with some guarantee of 00:28:22.080 --> 00:28:24.135 parking near their homes. There are many 00:28:24.159 --> 00:28:26.135 costs to this process as has been 00:28:26.159 --> 00:28:28.616 already discussed which is currently 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.640 being funded by all rate payers. These 00:28:31.679 --> 00:28:33.816 costs include officers time to introduce 00:28:33.840 --> 00:28:36.216 the permits permits such as ensuring 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.976 this is indeed a majority view of 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.496 residents. We have to go through 00:28:39.520 --> 00:28:41.416 extensive consultation to ensure that 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.496 this is something the majority want and 00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:45.336 to oversee the signage, the enforcement 00:28:45.360 --> 00:28:47.895 and infringement processes. And as 00:28:47.919 --> 00:28:49.895 mentioned, we do recognize that people 00:28:49.919 --> 00:28:52.296 are finding it difficult in the current 00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:55.320 rising costs of living. And we do urge 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.096 those to who are finding this difficult 00:28:59.120 --> 00:29:01.416 to please reach out to council and we'll 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.736 see if we can help you. Thank you. 00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:05.176 Thank you, Councelor Davis. Other 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.200 speakers to motion. Councelor Chowry. 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.696 Thank you, Mayor. Um, so residential 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.535 parking is one of the most contested and 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:14.535 limited public resources we could 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.296 manage, particularly in inner City and 00:29:16.320 --> 00:29:18.696 municipalities like Stonnington. And for 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.255 many of our streets, demand for parking 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.255 already exceeds supply, as other 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.976 councilors have so well said. And as our 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.056 density increases and as more households 00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:29.895 own multiple vehicles, the pressure will 00:29:29.919 --> 00:29:32.135 only grow. And in that context, 00:29:32.159 --> 00:29:33.976 introducing or maintaining a fee for 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.056 residential parking permits is both 00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:38.296 reasonable and responsible. Firstly, it 00:29:38.320 --> 00:29:40.056 reflects the principle that public space 00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:43.015 has value. Own street parking in a dense 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.096 livable inner City suburbs that we have 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:46.535 should not be just a private 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.456 entitlement. It is a shared community 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.936 asset and a permit system with a modest 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:52.696 fee helps recognize that value while 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.416 ensuring access is managed fairly across 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.936 residents, visitors, and local 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.496 businesses. Secondly, it supports 00:29:59.520 --> 00:30:01.655 equity. Without a fee, households with 00:30:01.679 --> 00:30:03.096 multiple vehicles can effectively 00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:05.816 monopolize limited street at no cost and 00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:07.576 often at the expense of neighbors with 00:30:07.600 --> 00:30:10.135 fewer vehicles or greater need. A 00:30:10.159 --> 00:30:11.736 pricing structure allows us to better 00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:13.976 balance access, particularly if designed 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.736 progressively where additional permits 00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:18.056 cost more. Thirdly, it helps manage 00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:19.976 demand. Evidence from across Melbourne 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.056 and other cities show that when parking 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:24.696 is entirely free, demand increases and 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.576 turnover decreases. A fee, while modest, 00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:29.096 encourages more thoughtful use of 00:30:29.120 --> 00:30:31.416 limited space and could reduce long to 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.496 long-term storage of vehicles on local 00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:35.655 streets. People might even think twice 00:30:35.679 --> 00:30:37.096 about putting their cars back in their 00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:39.576 off- street garages and driveways or 00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:41.416 think twice about purchasing a second or 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.056 third car. Fourth, it ensures cost 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:46.456 recovery. Administering parking permits 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.936 is not cost-free, as we've heard. There 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.616 are real expenses associated with 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.640 enforcement systems and staff. It is 00:30:53.679 --> 00:30:55.015 reasonable that those who directly 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.856 benefit from the system contribute to 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.775 its operation rather than the full cost 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.856 being borne by the broader rate payer 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.496 base. It also aligns with our broader 00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:05.576 transport and sustainability objectives 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:08.056 at Stonnington. Councils from across 00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:09.736 Melbourne are guided by policy settings 00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:11.176 from Department of Transport and 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.200 planning who are pushing reducing car 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.456 dependence through many ways 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.216 including the congestion levy and 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.375 encouraging us to be more take more 00:31:20.399 --> 00:31:23.015 sustainable transport choices. Pricing 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.039 signals can play a important role in 00:31:26.080 --> 00:31:27.655 supporting that transition, particularly 00:31:27.679 --> 00:31:29.496 in areas that are well served by public 00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:32.135 transport, which is a large majority of 00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:34.375 our our municipality. It's about 00:31:34.399 --> 00:31:36.296 fairness, access, responsible management 00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:38.375 of constrained public resources. And of 00:31:38.399 --> 00:31:40.456 course, any of these permits should be 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.296 designed with appropriate safeguards for 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:44.535 people who need concessions, lowincome 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.775 households, consideration for carers, 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:48.775 and flexibility for uni unique 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.255 circumstances. This is ultimately about 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:52.936 ensuring that our streets work for 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.176 everyone. Thank you. 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.056 Thank you, Council Chhattery. Um, 00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:01.080 Council Bell. 00:32:04.320 --> 00:32:07.320 Thanks, Mayor. 00:32:07.760 --> 00:32:08.936 Can you hear me? Okay. 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:10.135 Yes. 00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:12.936 Thank you. And thanks for your 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.375 attendance in the gallery tonight, 00:32:14.399 --> 00:32:16.135 everyone. Apologies that I can't be 00:32:16.159 --> 00:32:17.816 there, but um hopefully you can hear me. 00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:19.336 Okay. 00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:22.360 Um so this is a pretty interesting 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.880 matter this one and the journey has been 00:32:26.159 --> 00:32:28.216 somewhat windy at least from my 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.240 perspective. I think when the option of 00:32:31.600 --> 00:32:33.255 undertaking 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.096 this direction was first raised, I 00:32:35.120 --> 00:32:37.495 thought there was probably merit in 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.216 following that direction and I think 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.240 there was some data and some information 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.135 based on historical information that was 00:32:46.159 --> 00:32:49.159 given to us that that supported that 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.816 and that was the basis of my decision 00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:54.616 formally to pursue what we now have in 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:56.775 place. I think what's been interesting 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.799 for me in the in the interim and the in 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.559 the subsequent months is that I've more 00:33:04.399 --> 00:33:06.456 meaningfully engaged with the people who 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.696 are now I know have been affected by 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.495 what this looks like. And I know that 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.816 I've had many many many conversations 00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:16.135 with people who have put forward their 00:33:16.159 --> 00:33:18.616 opposition to this. Some of those people 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:20.135 are here in the gallery tonight and I 00:33:20.159 --> 00:33:22.056 appreciate you being here. And I think 00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:23.416 those conversations have been really 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.440 meaningful and it's given me I think 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.655 another side of what we don't hear about 00:33:29.679 --> 00:33:31.895 too much through internal dealings and 00:33:31.919 --> 00:33:33.495 that is the engagement with people on 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.519 the street themselves which has as a 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.640 result shifted my view on how this 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.296 matter 00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:44.216 um in my opinion should should go 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:45.176 forward. But I just wanted to 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.775 acknowledge 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:49.799 also that there's been a petition that 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.936 was put together with a very significant 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.736 number of over 4,000 signatures. And I 00:33:55.760 --> 00:33:57.655 don't think that perhaps has been given 00:33:57.679 --> 00:33:59.255 the air time that it deserves. Now, 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.056 there are some details in there that 00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:05.015 perhaps don't necessarily equate to the 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.039 full number that were signary to that 00:34:08.560 --> 00:34:09.895 petition, but nevertheless, it's a 00:34:09.919 --> 00:34:12.055 significant number. And it demonstrates 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.456 to me and I think a lot of other people 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.456 that this is perhaps just missing the 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.615 mark with certainly what we had intended 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.696 to achieve when we first set out on this 00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:23.176 discussion. And that sort of gives rise 00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:26.200 gives rise to me for the 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.176 the equality or the equity side of 00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:32.200 things I should say in terms of why are 00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:34.536 we even changing it in the first place? 00:34:34.560 --> 00:34:36.615 Well, 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.176 I don't think the idea that just because 00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:40.936 it's been in place for 30 years is a 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.536 good enough reason. I think it probably 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:44.615 almost argues it's unfair to change it. 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.496 We knew the rules 00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:50.135 and we undertook 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.855 um those rules to achieve off street 00:34:52.879 --> 00:34:55.879 parking for free. And I think that the 00:34:56.399 --> 00:34:58.856 fairness that now has been talked about 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.456 is the fairness that's been taken away 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.416 from from residents. 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.440 Yeah. 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.815 Is that also sorry? 00:35:09.839 --> 00:35:11.016 That's right. I wasn't sure if it 00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:14.040 stopped or sorry. 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.296 I think as an extension to this, I would 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.376 prefer to be maintaining a previous 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.400 subsy that we've referred to it as that 00:35:23.680 --> 00:35:25.016 has been placed for a long period of 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:27.335 time as I just mentioned just to ensure 00:35:27.359 --> 00:35:29.736 that the maintenance of what is in my 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.055 view a really core council service 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.079 parking and their subsequent permits. 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.760 Instead, I'd like to focus if we need to 00:35:39.040 --> 00:35:41.815 undertake a more deliberate effort to 00:35:41.839 --> 00:35:44.216 look at our budget on other less 00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:46.216 prioritized budget items that continue 00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:48.536 to be paid for by rate payers 00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:51.095 unnecessarily. So, in my view, there are 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.815 plenty of these provisions in the budget 00:35:53.839 --> 00:35:55.575 that perhaps we need to look at more 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.456 carefully and no doubt will. 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.136 As was mentioned earlier, we have a lot 00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:01.896 of hard decisions to make in this 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.376 council and I absolutely agree that we 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.616 have some very tough decisions to make, 00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:08.055 but I just don't think this is the 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.936 service to change that will achieve that 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:12.856 budget repair. 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:14.536 And finally, and just in respect of the 00:36:14.560 --> 00:36:17.335 digital transition may and should this 00:36:17.359 --> 00:36:19.095 motion be approved tonight, which I 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.496 suspect it probably will be, I'd like to 00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:23.176 acknowledge that there are opportunities 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:24.696 and I know there's been a huge concern 00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:25.976 for people that won't be able to get 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:27.896 physical permits anymore readily at 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.536 least for residents to obtain these 00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:32.616 physical permits should they need and 00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:34.216 should they meet the required hardship 00:36:34.240 --> 00:36:36.856 criteria. And I would encourage people 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:38.936 who feel that they are in this category 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.856 such as caregivers and pensioners to 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:43.880 seek this option or give me a call to 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.376 have this conversation 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.376 on another less formal level. And I 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.856 just like to finish on the note that I I 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.880 did enjoy engaging with 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.055 councel. I will need you to wrap it up. 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:57.736 We've we've given you a lot of extra 00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:58.616 time. Sorry. 00:36:58.640 --> 00:37:00.055 I can just finish in 10 seconds. 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:01.335 Yep. 10 seconds. 00:37:01.359 --> 00:37:02.616 All right. I haven't heard any of those 00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:03.496 warnings. Sorry. 00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:04.616 Yeah. It's okay. 00:37:04.640 --> 00:37:07.016 I'd just like to say that I'm very keen 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:08.936 to continue that conversation whether 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.960 it's in the street or by phone call and 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:14.216 I look forward to engaging with you in 00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:16.936 the new days to accommodate that. Thank 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:17.496 you. 00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:19.736 Thank you, councelor Bell. And sorry you 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.496 couldn't hear the the um the bell 00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:22.936 dinging, but there were a few warnings, 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.960 but we did let you continue. Sorry, 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:27.815 please. 00:37:27.839 --> 00:37:28.216 00:37:28.240 --> 00:37:30.216 thank you, ma'am. Um and thank you to 00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:31.815 members of the gallery for your 00:37:31.839 --> 00:37:34.839 attendance tonight. Um, 00:37:35.359 --> 00:37:37.736 in looking at the totality of the 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.616 introduction of these fees, I went back 00:37:40.640 --> 00:37:42.776 to the beginning to the first briefing 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.496 that we received on this issue, which we 00:37:45.520 --> 00:37:46.936 all received this briefing, but 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:48.616 unfortunately, we can't show that to 00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:49.896 anyone in the public cuz it's 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.416 confidential. 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.440 My my concern with this is 00:37:56.240 --> 00:37:58.856 the new level of justification provided 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.880 in the new documents and and to the the 00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:03.896 comments made by other councilors 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.416 regarding 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.736 um expenditure the scarce resource and 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.456 it being a service but also looking at 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.480 parking as a complete ecosystem. 00:38:15.200 --> 00:38:17.095 When this was introduced, it was 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.736 alongside the congestion levy which 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.736 imposed $4 million a year that we'd have 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.055 to pay to the state government. That was 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:25.496 $4 million that would just have to be 00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:27.575 taken out of budget, which is 2% of our 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.976 budget. 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.976 This miraculously 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:33.976 filled the $2 million hole that we 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.896 couldn't fill from jacking up parking 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.920 fees across the City by 80%. 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.376 On that basis, it made sense to support 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.936 this through that period as we 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.095 transition to a more financially 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.416 sustainable position. 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.095 To the point of the expenditure and the 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.335 subsidies provided, 00:38:53.359 --> 00:38:55.496 we do subsidize a huge number of 00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:58.055 services across the City. And I do agree 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.936 with councelor Bell's point around 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.016 looking at the totality of the service 00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:05.736 portfolio that we do offer. 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.575 Free parking is something certainly that 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.599 is iconic with the City and I certainly 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.800 think that it's in no bit ironic that it 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:16.536 this matter has come up on the same 00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:19.016 night as the dogs. 00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:20.696 These issues are something that are 00:39:20.720 --> 00:39:23.335 iconic with Sonington. 00:39:23.359 --> 00:39:26.359 So, if we're looking at 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:28.936 simply filling a budget hole, there are 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.960 many other services and issues that our 00:39:32.160 --> 00:39:35.160 City has long not needed to provide for 00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:37.656 a huge period of time, but we still 00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:40.616 continue to do. And as my council 00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:42.936 colleagues know, we have inherited quite 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.016 a mess from previous council and we have 00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:46.776 been working through that to fix that 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.296 mess. 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:49.736 But with the logic that's being sort of 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:51.176 talked about tonight in saying, well, 00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:53.416 look, if we are subsidizing just 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.335 residential paid parking, that's a very 00:39:55.359 --> 00:39:58.136 small pocket of parking as a service. We 00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:00.536 get about $20 million of infringements 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:02.856 every year. I would say that adequately 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.416 covers the entire parking portfolios in 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.296 entirety and then contributes to 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.095 consolidated revenue 00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:12.696 under the same logic applied to the 00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:15.656 residential parking permits. Now, 00:40:15.680 --> 00:40:18.136 it's not 00:40:18.160 --> 00:40:20.376 logical to think then that dog parks 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.095 should be levied higher 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:24.856 that all the pepperc corn leases for 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.095 sporting facilities that logic would 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:28.696 still apply to those facilities and 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:30.456 their fees would then in theory have to 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.480 go up dramatically as a result of this 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.095 time 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.656 I do think that the more dangerous thing 00:40:41.680 --> 00:40:44.680 in this motion is 4 that would set a 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:48.856 really dangerous precedent in that we're 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.256 taking outside of the budget cycle a 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.815 budget decision. This would be the first 00:40:53.839 --> 00:40:56.616 one to do that. 00:40:56.640 --> 00:40:58.776 In that alone, what we would be doing is 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.176 moving expenditure and revenue decisions 00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:03.736 outside of the statutory plan budget 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.815 planning process 00:41:05.839 --> 00:41:08.136 and we'd be decoupling those decisions. 00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:09.496 So throughout the year we could just 00:41:09.520 --> 00:41:10.936 randomly come up with a budget 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.736 initiative and then fund that rather 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.815 than going through the adequate process 00:41:15.839 --> 00:41:18.376 for the budget cycle. 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.400 On those couple of basises I I I'm not 00:41:21.520 --> 00:41:23.016 convinced that I can support the office 00:41:23.040 --> 00:41:26.040 of recommendation. 00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:29.640 Any other speakers? Council 00:41:29.839 --> 00:41:31.815 I find some of the contributions that 00:41:31.839 --> 00:41:33.736 are being made tonight rather 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:35.256 extraordinary. 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.335 um came from 00:41:37.359 --> 00:41:39.896 I guess a place where we've been told 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.456 repeatedly that we're in dire financial 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.856 straits um that need to be addressed by 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.880 as council um that 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.456 past councils are to blame for our 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.256 financial wos levels of government are 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.280 to blame for our financial wos and yet 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.536 when a push comes to shove and we have 00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:01.560 to make a difficult decision about where 00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:05.016 to pay additional costs 00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:07.896 um in order to deliver the services and 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.920 amenities that our residents rely on and 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.136 hold dear, 00:42:14.160 --> 00:42:17.160 we can't have a unanimous um I guess 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.456 consistency in decisions that have 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.856 previously been made um by this council 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.095 group. These are difficult decisions. 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.119 Nobody at this table enjoys making 00:42:28.319 --> 00:42:31.319 decisions that cost our residents more. 00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:34.520 But this is a decision that means for 00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:37.496 privileged access to public land you 00:42:37.520 --> 00:42:40.520 will pay 16.5 cents a day. Now I 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.736 understand that at this particular point 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.295 in time there are financial pressures 00:42:46.319 --> 00:42:48.776 affecting people in our community but 00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:50.936 the services that we deliver as a 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.416 council are absolutely vital to people 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.440 across the lifespan and we have to make 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.095 difficult decisions and I'd invite the 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.416 counselors who are saying that they 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.976 can't support this tonight to put 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.536 forward proposals um for making the 00:43:06.560 --> 00:43:08.136 expenditure cuts that they're talking 00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:11.160 about um rather in putting forward 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.440 proposals for additional expenditure um 00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:17.095 which is what we you know may see when 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:19.575 we come to budget time. I'd say in 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.599 regards to tonight's recommendation 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.256 there's some significant improvements 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.575 that are as a direct result of feedback 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.055 that we've seen from the community. One 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.776 of those is around physical permits um 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.656 for visitors for people who require 00:43:35.680 --> 00:43:38.216 them. Um, so if you have a disability, 00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:40.776 if you have career arrangements, um, if 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.616 you have issues with online connection 00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:44.856 and capability, um, if you meet other 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.936 exceptional circumstances, you will now 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.256 be eligible um, to put forward and 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.416 request a physical permit. And that's 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.136 very important. References to making 00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:56.616 decisions outside of the budget cycle 00:43:56.640 --> 00:43:58.936 just absolutely goes what's being asked 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.575 here. It says that this decision be 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.055 incorporated in the forthcoming budget. 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.055 we're referring the decision to the 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.055 budget. Um we're not making decisions 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.776 outside of the budget cycle tonight. Um 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.416 and I think it is a fair reasonable 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.440 decision to not increase the fee um in 00:44:16.560 --> 00:44:18.216 the first year. Um so I think that's an 00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:20.136 appropriate thing that's included and 00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:23.160 also permit renewals not requiring ID um 00:44:23.839 --> 00:44:25.416 is something that's come about as a 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.976 result of resident feedback. So I think 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:29.976 that there's very good steps forward um 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.736 with regard to the digital permit in 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.760 tonight's um report. Um and I you know 00:44:35.359 --> 00:44:37.016 accept the feedback from residents but 00:44:37.040 --> 00:44:39.335 we do have to make difficult decisions 00:44:39.359 --> 00:44:41.896 um as a council and I'd encourage 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.776 councilors to stand by those decisions. 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.936 Thank you council. So that's all the 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.936 speakers. Council 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.536 don't wish to speak. That's okay. 00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:51.896 I'll leave it to you. Thank you. 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.656 I've responded to hundreds of emails I 00:44:53.680 --> 00:44:56.216 think of my position known. you have um 00:44:56.240 --> 00:44:58.696 council he made um a number of valid 00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:00.536 points. Too many parking permits have 00:45:00.560 --> 00:45:02.055 been issued. There isn't enough car 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.456 spaces on the streets anyway. Um the 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.055 population and car parks actually 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.136 increasing since 1995. The system is 00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:11.095 clear not sustainable. Um and why should 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.055 75% of the of the residents of Stoington 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.776 support the 25% of the community? 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.616 Council Davis said that the fees weren't 00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:20.136 benchmarked and now they are which is 00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:21.896 exactly why we're making this decision. 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.496 There are seven metro councils where we 00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:26.520 benchmark our decision decision. Um 00:45:27.520 --> 00:45:30.520 it's it it is a privilege um to be 00:45:30.640 --> 00:45:32.696 permitted to get a permit to park your 00:45:32.720 --> 00:45:35.416 car on the street. Council Chery said um 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.376 the demand clearly exceeds supply. Um 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.055 the public space has been said by many 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.616 councilors is of value and we need to 00:45:42.640 --> 00:45:44.376 manage that demand otherwise we'll be 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.136 down up the creek without a paddle which 00:45:46.160 --> 00:45:48.295 we have been for too long time. Um 00:45:48.319 --> 00:45:49.736 councelor Bill mentioned the petition. 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.256 Well, when I did the analysis of that 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:52.696 petition, there were just over a 00:45:52.720 --> 00:45:54.216 thousand people who actually resided in 00:45:54.240 --> 00:45:55.896 Stoington. There were many people who 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.815 were living in Thailand, somewhere in 00:45:57.839 --> 00:46:00.776 the Middle East, India, Denmark, 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.335 Germany, Poland from memory. I don't 00:46:03.359 --> 00:46:04.456 know if I should be counting those 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.055 people in the petition who making an 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:07.575 influence into decisions that we make 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.815 here in Stallington. So, hence why that 00:46:09.839 --> 00:46:12.839 petition um was a bit dubious. Ka 00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:15.176 Humphre talked about free parking. Well, 00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:17.016 I think we forget that we have multi-de 00:46:17.040 --> 00:46:18.936 car parks that generate an income for 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.376 the City of Toronto. So, we do charge 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.776 for parking in this municipality. It's 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.936 not unusual. And the infringements that 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.256 we generate are $1.9 million and it 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.280 costs us $2.7 million to oversee. So, I 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.776 think that um as council Hopper said, 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.456 there are many things that we need to 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.976 deal with and I think this is a a 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.376 decision that we should all support. 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:39.976 Thank you, Council Stefanopoulos. I 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.736 will now put the motion. All those in 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.335 favor of the motion that's up on the 00:46:43.359 --> 00:46:45.095 screen. 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.256 All those against 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.335 that motion is carried and for purposes 00:46:49.359 --> 00:46:51.095 of recording in minutes. All those in 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.416 favor councelor Davis, council Herbert, 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:54.295 councelor Hill, councelor 00:46:54.319 --> 00:46:56.136 Stefanopoulos, councelor Jer, council 00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:58.616 sir. All those against councelor Bell, 00:46:58.640 --> 00:47:00.055 councelor Humphre and the motion is 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.776 carried. Thank you councilors. We now 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.575 move to item 8.2 planning application 38 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.295 to 40 Bruce Street Turk. Noting we have 00:47:08.319 --> 00:47:09.976 an officer recommendation and we also 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.656 have an alternate recommendation 00:47:11.680 --> 00:47:13.575 prepared by councelor Humphre. Can I 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.335 have a move for a motion please? 00:47:15.359 --> 00:47:17.575 Councelor Humphre 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:18.216 the alternative. 00:47:18.240 --> 00:47:19.496 You're moving your alternative. Do I 00:47:19.520 --> 00:47:21.815 have a second for that? 00:47:21.839 --> 00:47:24.776 Councelor Bell. Councelor Humphre just 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.776 put that alternate up on the screen. If 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.456 you could just explain the difference 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:29.256 that would be 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.936 the difference just has the inclusion 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.960 of C which is the removal of one level 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:36.295 each. 00:47:36.319 --> 00:47:38.696 Okay. All right. 00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:41.720 Um, 00:47:42.720 --> 00:47:45.720 Stonnington is is unique in as a 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.456 government, it has the ability to raise 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:50.376 its entire revenue base from its 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:51.976 residents. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.136 The only other government in Australia 00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:55.496 able to do that is the Australian 00:47:55.520 --> 00:47:58.055 government. To me, this gives us a 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.216 special and unique obligation to our 00:48:00.240 --> 00:48:03.240 residents who do pay every single bill 00:48:03.359 --> 00:48:06.359 and do allow all of us to be here. 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.176 I think that framing is particularly 00:48:09.200 --> 00:48:11.575 important for this issue given we are 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:12.936 all supposed to be here for our 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.960 residents including officers 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.480 as noted in the papers the application 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.216 did get lodged with Stonnington however 00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:24.376 it was not assessed in time it did go 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.400 through to VCAT on an appeal 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.136 I think sadly as an organization we have 00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:32.696 let down our residents in not doing what 00:48:32.720 --> 00:48:35.720 we're supposed to be doing at that first 00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:39.160 Then as an organization I think we've 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:40.696 gone through a process with the 00:48:40.720 --> 00:48:43.720 residents during BCAP 00:48:43.839 --> 00:48:45.896 and that has not left the residents 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.376 feeling like they have been heard nor 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.216 that their wishes have been taken into 00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:52.216 account 00:48:52.240 --> 00:48:55.016 which leads us to this particular moment 00:48:55.040 --> 00:48:57.575 where the eight of us can rectify that 00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.496 and be the representatives or the or of 00:48:59.520 --> 00:49:02.520 the organization to remedy that issue. 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.656 to the application itself. 00:49:07.680 --> 00:49:10.136 Um, in only having three levels, it 00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:11.575 would make it more suitable with the 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.256 right. We'd like to talk about 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:14.616 neighborhood character extensively 00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:16.776 within this place and the amenity of our 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.616 great City. 00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:20.535 I believe a number of us did even 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.256 campaign on maintaining neighborhood 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.136 character and amenity of our City. And 00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:27.896 this is a particular moment to prove 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.920 that to our residents. Once again, 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:33.736 in Bruce Street, that part of it in 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:35.256 particular, there are a number of 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.280 houses. A four-story apartment is simply 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.416 out of touch and not keeping with the 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:43.656 character of that street. That is before 00:49:43.680 --> 00:49:45.976 you factor in the traffic, the flood 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.776 planes, the drainage issues, and the 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.136 myriad of other problems that would be 00:49:50.160 --> 00:49:52.696 created as a complicating factor of such 00:49:52.720 --> 00:49:55.416 a large development in such a quiet 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.440 residential street. Given the houses, 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.696 the location on the hill would also make 00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:03.496 this development more imposing on the 00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:05.496 streetscape 00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:08.376 and lots of us do like to talk about 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.095 making sure and maintaining that amenity 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.616 and we have made a number of decisions 00:50:12.640 --> 00:50:15.640 within this council as this specific set 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.696 of councilors to maintain neighborhood 00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:21.416 character. Councelor Hopper put up a 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.256 recommendation to take off an entire 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.736 level on Turac Road 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.760 and Councelor Davis also had similar 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.800 issues regarding Manning Road in in 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:34.616 her electorate in removing for 00:50:34.640 --> 00:50:36.776 neighborhood character. I believe that 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.800 neighborhood character 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.696 was also the main driving factor for the 00:50:42.720 --> 00:50:45.720 City of Sonington's long running um 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.936 pursuit of Avalon Road which this 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:50.616 council showed its willingness to go 00:50:50.640 --> 00:50:53.640 above and beyond. So these three are the 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.976 considered precedents for maintaining 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.000 neighborhood character and ensuring that 00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:01.736 three levels of apartment in this street 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:03.496 would be adequate to maintaining not 00:51:03.520 --> 00:51:05.416 only the residents obligation but our 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.136 duty to them and making sure that we do 00:51:08.160 --> 00:51:10.136 encapsulate their voice within this 00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:12.216 decision. Thank you. 00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:13.736 Thank you councelor Humpkins. Councelor 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.760 Bell is a seconder. 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.616 Thank you Mayor. I haven't got too much 00:51:18.640 --> 00:51:21.640 to say. totally agree with councelor 00:51:21.839 --> 00:51:24.376 Humphre. I think one thing that I would 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.095 add is that in terms of the context here 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.496 of neighborhood character, it's worth 00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:30.776 pointing out that we might not have the 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.016 ability to influence this matter for 00:51:33.040 --> 00:51:35.335 much longer should the current 00:51:35.359 --> 00:51:38.359 government get their way. So this may be 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.095 a precursor to what unfolds in the 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.656 future where we have our ability to 00:51:43.680 --> 00:51:45.736 influence that taken away from us which 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.216 would be an appalling outcome for not 00:51:48.240 --> 00:51:50.696 only the state but the country. So happy 00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:52.216 to support this. 00:51:52.240 --> 00:51:53.976 thank you councelor Bell. Other 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.976 speakers to the motion before us the 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:57.896 alternate motion 00:51:57.920 --> 00:51:59.896 council hopper. 00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.055 I will be voting against this alternate 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.079 motion. Um and it is a difficult call um 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.376 because I represent part of Bruce Street 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.095 um in Koma ward. Um so this Austral is 00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.896 sort of partly in KO ward and partly in 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.920 Turk ward. As councilors we have a role 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.800 um and a responsibility to discharge 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.256 planning legislation um and to represent 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.335 what that legislation tells us um and 00:52:27.359 --> 00:52:30.359 our own standards um and regulations. 00:52:31.520 --> 00:52:33.736 This building sits within a general 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.376 residential zone um which has mandatory 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.400 provisions of 13 meters and meets them. 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.616 the application that council on Freeze 00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:45.016 has referred to um where I put forward 00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:47.896 an alternative um earlier this year um 00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.456 to shave off a story um at the top of 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.480 the development um was greatly in excess 00:52:53.680 --> 00:52:56.680 um of the height limit um in that area 00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.880 um and had previously gone to VCAT um 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:03.256 and a VCAT ruling had recommended that 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.936 if the application was going to come 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.960 back in excess of our recommended height 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.535 limits um then there was a maximum that 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.535 should go to and that's exactly what 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.559 that alternative reflected. Um so it 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.920 wasn't a matter of I guess you know what 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:23.016 um felt nice to do. It was very much 00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:25.416 reflected in what the planning rules and 00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.416 regulations were that we uphold as a 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.440 council that that application greatly 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:33.335 exceeded the height limits um and we 00:53:33.359 --> 00:53:35.335 were putting forward an alternative um 00:53:35.359 --> 00:53:36.936 that was more in line with our 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.335 expectations in this area. this 00:53:39.359 --> 00:53:40.856 application 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:43.496 meets the planning requirements. It does 00:53:43.520 --> 00:53:46.216 not exceed the height limit um in this 00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:49.240 area. Um it's consistent with what is in 00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:52.376 usage for this street. Um and so there 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.400 isn't any playing ground on which I can 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.000 vote against this. 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:02.520 Other speakers to the motion. 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.119 Not speakers. Council Hilly. Thank you. 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.896 Um, 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.920 thank you for coming and and telling us 00:54:13.520 --> 00:54:15.815 about how this is going to impact you. 00:54:15.839 --> 00:54:18.136 Um, but I don't feel like I can vote for 00:54:18.160 --> 00:54:19.976 this either for the same reasons that 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.696 council Hoppers have outlined and I feel 00:54:22.720 --> 00:54:25.176 like we have to give some level of 00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:28.136 criticism. Um, because if we reject this 00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:31.095 now or demand the floor to be removed, 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.335 um, I think we're giving people false 00:54:33.359 --> 00:54:35.335 hope because it does comply with the 00:54:35.359 --> 00:54:36.936 planning rules. And I think that a 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.960 rejection will essentially be taken to 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.815 VCAP and be overturned. Um and I think 00:54:43.839 --> 00:54:46.535 engaging in that legal process doesn't 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.776 just waste time and also waste community 00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.800 money that could be elsewhere. Um I 00:54:51.839 --> 00:54:53.736 think that there is now design on the 00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:56.760 table that includes a much more highly 00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.119 recessed fourth story um which officers 00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:02.456 believe that won't be seen from Bruce 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:03.896 Street which will reduce some of that 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.295 bulk. I know they've changed the facade 00:55:06.319 --> 00:55:08.055 somewhat as well to remove a lot of bulk 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:09.176 and they've increased a lot of 00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:12.200 landscaping with integrated vegetation 00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.376 and canopy trees and the better front 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.376 fence articulation. 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.896 They believe that there has been a 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.335 reduction in overshadowing and 00:55:19.359 --> 00:55:22.359 overlooking. Um, and I just I I I really 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.016 feel for you guys and for the impact 00:55:27.040 --> 00:55:28.776 that's going to have on you, but I I 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.800 don't feel like given the rules that we 00:55:31.839 --> 00:55:33.575 sit within 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.815 that we have grounds to reject this as 00:55:35.839 --> 00:55:37.656 it is. 00:55:37.680 --> 00:55:40.680 Sorry. 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.376 Thank you, Council Bill. Councelor 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:43.256 Davis. 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.280 , thank you, Mayor. Um, I too 00:55:47.040 --> 00:55:49.815 empathize with your concerns. Um I think 00:55:49.839 --> 00:55:52.839 most of us have experienced similar 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.016 experiences. 00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:58.040 Sorry toy there. um 00:55:58.720 --> 00:56:01.416 as council Healey and councelor 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.136 Hopper have said we really need to 00:56:04.160 --> 00:56:06.055 look at the justification because if 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.079 this goes when this goes back to VCAT 00:56:10.319 --> 00:56:13.319 the likely likelihood is that um the 00:56:13.520 --> 00:56:16.520 developer will succeed and people don't 00:56:17.520 --> 00:56:19.496 often think about we have to make a very 00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:21.335 careful rational decision because it 00:56:21.359 --> 00:56:24.359 does cost a lot of money to defend these 00:56:24.640 --> 00:56:27.640 cases in their cap. Council Humphre 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.696 mentioned my particular item that 00:56:30.720 --> 00:56:33.720 was in my award. it is not similar at 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.936 all. I strongly still believe that 00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.575 neighborhood character was. It's a was a 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.256 very 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.335 this is your street is described as an 00:56:43.359 --> 00:56:45.416 incremental change. The one that Manning 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:48.440 Road was not I believed and I'm 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.815 grateful for the support of my 00:56:49.839 --> 00:56:51.896 colleagues around the table at the time. 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.696 I did say at the time given the state 00:56:54.720 --> 00:56:57.720 government's proposals as we're all 00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:00.216 hearing and reading about as is 00:57:00.240 --> 00:57:01.896 happening now that neighborhood 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.416 characters starting to disappear in the 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.095 lexicon of the state government 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.976 language. We um I said at the time this 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:09.656 will probably be our last shot in the 00:57:09.680 --> 00:57:12.680 locker and it will be eventually this 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.535 would be but the situation is that BCAT 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.856 overturned our decision. It cost us 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.880 money. um we're caught between trying to 00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:25.160 appease residents concerns with the 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.856 reality of of what will eventuate. We've 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.575 experienced this enough to realize what 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.216 the outcome will be. it's not an easy 00:57:34.240 --> 00:57:35.815 decision to make. It's a very very 00:57:35.839 --> 00:57:37.656 difficult decision for us to make 00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:40.136 because we get it. We understand it. We 00:57:40.160 --> 00:57:43.160 empathize with you. But in reality, um 00:57:43.359 --> 00:57:46.359 it would serve no purpose in refusing 00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:49.176 this. 00:57:49.200 --> 00:57:52.136 Thank you. 00:57:52.160 --> 00:57:54.856 Thank you, Councelor Davis. Are there 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.256 other speakers to the motion? , 00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.496 Council Humphre, I will now move to you 00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:01.736 as the movie to respond to the debate. 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:01.976 Sure. 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:02.696 Thank you. 00:58:02.720 --> 00:58:05.256 Um, to the the council's 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.136 comments 00:58:08.160 --> 00:58:10.055 and particularly the state government's 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:12.376 new changes. This street does sit 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.335 outside of the catchment areas. So it's 00:58:15.359 --> 00:58:18.216 not designated for those higher four and 00:58:18.240 --> 00:58:21.095 six buildings. we do have the 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:23.575 opportunity to protect 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.016 the neighborhood character of this 00:58:25.040 --> 00:58:26.856 street and make sure that we do actually 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.880 hear our residents's voices because as 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.079 articulated throughout this and to why 00:58:33.520 --> 00:58:35.575 there are so many here in this room is 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.599 because at no point realistically and 00:58:38.720 --> 00:58:40.775 pragmatically has their voice actually 00:58:40.799 --> 00:58:43.095 been encount encapsulated in this whole 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:44.696 process. 00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:46.376 And the whole reason we are here is for 00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.535 our residents 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.256 to 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:53.736 VCAD itself. 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.136 I do think that there is merit in 00:58:56.160 --> 00:58:57.575 particularly in chasing that 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.815 long-standing encapsulation of our 00:58:59.839 --> 00:59:02.055 residents voices. 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.079 What we are now seeing is the er erosion 00:59:06.319 --> 00:59:09.319 of our residents rights 00:59:10.160 --> 00:59:11.815 be it regarding power pole 00:59:11.839 --> 00:59:14.456 infrastructure or now in planning 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:15.815 because their appeal rights have been 00:59:15.839 --> 00:59:17.976 taken away and that's simply something 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.696 that I I do not support at all is the 00:59:20.720 --> 00:59:23.256 erosion of residents rights because they 00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:24.856 are the ones that do allow us to be 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.880 here. So I implore all of you to 00:59:28.160 --> 00:59:29.656 consider the napal character of this 00:59:29.680 --> 00:59:32.136 street considering the other decisions 00:59:32.160 --> 00:59:34.376 we have made particularly to Megan's 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.335 one. Sorry, Council Hoppers. The the 00:59:37.359 --> 00:59:39.176 building next to it I believe is 10 00:59:39.200 --> 00:59:41.656 stories taller. But to the neighborhood 00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:43.896 character that we can protect right here 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:45.416 and now and the one that we did fought 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.440 so hard for in Avalon Road to simply 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.095 give up now is not in keeping with the 00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.535 same decisions that we have made in the 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.176 past. So I would implore all counselors 00:59:55.200 --> 00:59:56.856 to consider supporting this alternative 00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.936 motion to make sure our residences are 00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.960 heard residents are heard by the 01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:03.896 council. 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:05.896 Thank you council hundreds. I will now 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:07.575 put the motion. All those in favor of 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.335 the alternate motion as proposed by 01:00:09.359 --> 01:00:12.359 council hundreds. 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.496 All those against 01:00:15.520 --> 01:00:18.055 that motion is lost. Um for the record 01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.079 I'll now um ask again for all those in 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.016 favor of the alternate motion. Councelor 01:00:23.040 --> 01:00:24.535 Humphre and Councelor Bell. All those 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.016 against Council Davis, Council Hopper, 01:00:27.040 --> 01:00:28.535 Councelor Hilly, Council Stefanopoulos, 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.535 Council Chry, Councelor S. That 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.016 alternate motion is lost. I now need a 01:00:33.040 --> 01:00:34.856 mover and a second for another motion to 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.295 deal with this matter. 01:00:36.319 --> 01:00:37.656 Happy to move the motion as printed in 01:00:37.680 --> 01:00:39.815 the report officer recommendation. Do I 01:00:39.839 --> 01:00:42.839 have a second? 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.656 Council Chery. All right, Council Steph. 01:00:45.680 --> 01:00:46.775 Thank you, Mayor. I don't think I need 01:00:46.799 --> 01:00:49.416 to exhaust this debate any further. 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.440 Council Chery, I reserve my right. 01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:55.575 Um council would you like to speak to 01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:57.815 the motion? This is the office 01:00:57.839 --> 01:01:00.216 recommendation. 01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:03.240 I think it should be explained to 01:01:05.520 --> 01:01:08.376 any other speakers. No. 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.775 Well, council Stefanopoulos no one 01:01:10.799 --> 01:01:12.216 spoken to the debate. So you happy for 01:01:12.240 --> 01:01:13.416 the motion to be put which is the 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.176 officer recommendation which is up on 01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:17.656 the screen. which is essentially the 01:01:17.680 --> 01:01:20.680 recommendation we saw the deletion of 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.016 the third floor. So just for the benefit 01:01:23.040 --> 01:01:25.736 of everyone watching tonight and in the 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.376 gallery. So I now pull the motion as 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.136 printed on the screen. All those in 01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:33.160 favor the officer recommendation. 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.815 All those against. 01:01:35.839 --> 01:01:37.976 So that motion is carried in carried. 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.656 I'll go through all those in favor. It's 01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:41.095 councelor Davis, council Herbert, 01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:42.055 councelor Hilly, councelor 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:43.416 Stefanopoulos, councelor Chery, 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.496 councelor s and all those against. 01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:47.656 Councelor Humphre and Councelor Bell. 01:01:47.680 --> 01:01:49.815 And the motion is carried. Thank you, 01:01:49.839 --> 01:01:52.616 councilors. And we now move to item 8.3, 01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:55.640 the Stonnington Animal Management 01:01:55.839 --> 01:01:58.839 Task Force Findings. 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.000 So try to move in a second for 01:02:11.680 --> 01:02:14.680 get 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.856 look I'm delighted to have the 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.256 opportunity getting to move this 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:34.280 report tonight um which is the result of 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.496 extensive work by the Stington 01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:39.896 Management Task Force which was 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:42.920 appointed last year um in response to an 01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:47.095 exhausted tender process um and which 01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:49.815 I think has been a very positive process 01:02:49.839 --> 01:02:52.535 um it's actually provided an opportunity 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.559 um for expert representatives um and 01:02:56.319 --> 01:02:58.216 for community members as well as 01:02:58.240 --> 01:02:59.736 counselors ers to put their views 01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.760 forward um to receive information um 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:04.696 about the different options that are 01:03:04.720 --> 01:03:07.335 available in the animal management space 01:03:07.359 --> 01:03:09.416 um and to make recommendations um which 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.440 we can see tonight. Um I'd like to um 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.575 acknowledge and thank the work of the 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.055 members of the task force um who include 01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:21.079 our chair him um Leslie who is um our 01:03:21.839 --> 01:03:24.839 secretariat Diana Kerski um and 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.095 another Tom um as well as the counselors 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.176 who are part of the committee u myself 01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:33.496 councelor Stefanopoulos um the Mayor 01:03:33.520 --> 01:03:36.456 and councelor Humphre um we had some 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:39.480 robust discussions engaging discussions 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:42.760 um opportunity unities to visit on site 01:03:42.799 --> 01:03:44.456 um opportunities as I've said to hear 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.696 from experts and I think one of the 01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:48.775 things that has been really positive to 01:03:48.799 --> 01:03:51.176 come out of this process is the fact 01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:54.055 that there is a genuine enthusiasm from 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.936 some neighboring councils um to work 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.896 with us and to talk with us um about the 01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:02.136 possibility of partnering together in 01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:04.775 the future. Um but this report has also 01:04:04.799 --> 01:04:07.256 raised um some important um things for 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.575 us to look into um and address further 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.055 which include um maintaining our 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.376 infrastructure um to an appropriate 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.696 standard um in order for it to be 01:04:16.720 --> 01:04:19.720 possible for us to enter into such um I 01:04:20.319 --> 01:04:23.319 guess multicounsel model um operating 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:25.656 out of the existing site. And so there 01:04:25.680 --> 01:04:27.815 is a referral um to our budget 01:04:27.839 --> 01:04:30.216 consideration of funding in order to 01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:32.775 undertake an audit and to be aware of 01:04:32.799 --> 01:04:35.015 what infrastructure improvements need to 01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.039 take place to enable that. Um so I think 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.936 in the end this has been a really good 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.960 outcome. Um and I think it's reflective 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.015 of um the time and efforts and 01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.696 respectful conversation that took place 01:04:48.720 --> 01:04:50.936 at the task force um that this has 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.416 really come about as a unanimous um 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:55.656 recommendation by the task force um 01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:57.176 that's supported by everyone who was 01:04:57.200 --> 01:04:58.936 part of it. 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:01.496 Thank you council and councelor Steph. 01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:04.520 I can't follow that one. That was good. 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.456 All right. It's a very extensive report. 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.015 Other speakers did you want to make any 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.039 comment on the task force? strong. 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.119 Um I think councelor Hopper's 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.280 summation of the task force was quite 01:05:20.319 --> 01:05:21.896 adequate 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:23.496 um 01:05:23.520 --> 01:05:26.520 and extensive and comprehensive. 01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:29.640 I do think that the real sort of win 01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:32.376 from the task force and particularly 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.400 looking back at the debate of last 01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:37.416 year and the decision and the emotion 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:40.440 invoked from residents and people across 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:43.176 Victoria, let's be frank, 01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:45.575 was encapsulating the community's 01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.295 interest and protection of animals 01:05:48.319 --> 01:05:50.696 beyond what is the minimum statutory 01:05:50.720 --> 01:05:53.720 requirements by the state government. 01:05:53.839 --> 01:05:55.656 Um, 01:05:55.680 --> 01:05:57.575 it's probably safe to say that there 01:05:57.599 --> 01:05:59.496 were 01:05:59.520 --> 01:06:01.815 quite robust debates regarding that 01:06:01.839 --> 01:06:03.496 throughout the entirety of the task 01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:05.176 force and where that line should be 01:06:05.200 --> 01:06:07.736 drawn. And I do certainly think that the 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.760 task force landed on a good area of 01:06:11.839 --> 01:06:13.815 protecting the animals that we do have 01:06:13.839 --> 01:06:16.216 within Stonnington, but also maintaining 01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:17.896 Stonnington as a leader for animal 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.920 protection into the future with a very 01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.119 no kill, low euthanasia policy, which 01:06:25.359 --> 01:06:27.335 certainly was very dear to all the 01:06:27.359 --> 01:06:29.015 residents I spoke to throughout the 01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.039 entirety of last year. To them, it was 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:34.775 about making sure that not only their 01:06:34.799 --> 01:06:36.535 pets, but everyone else's pets were 01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:39.416 safe, no matter where they were or 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.095 whatever happened to their animals, 01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.119 rather than reading about the sad and 01:06:44.160 --> 01:06:46.216 tragic events that do unfortunately 01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:48.535 happen at other higher killed 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.216 facilities. 01:06:50.240 --> 01:06:52.055 And for Stonnington to maintain that 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.136 leadership and also provide a pathway so 01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:56.456 Stonnington can maintain that into the 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.535 future I think really is a feather in 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:00.775 the cap of the councilors who did come 01:07:00.799 --> 01:07:02.535 together 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.176 despite initially having probably 01:07:05.200 --> 01:07:07.335 differing viewpoints but it has settled 01:07:07.359 --> 01:07:09.095 on a 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:10.936 good outcome for the community and now 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.416 it's just following that through to the 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.176 end of the line and seeing what we can 01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:17.095 do for residents. 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:18.936 Thank you, Council Harris. And I'd just 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.015 like to acknowledge the fabulous work 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:24.039 that the Saber Dog Scheme um who have 01:07:24.160 --> 01:07:26.936 done for decades in running that 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.095 facility as well as the welfare 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:30.936 component on behalf of the City of 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.960 Stunnington and making us an exemplary 01:07:34.240 --> 01:07:37.176 model um municipality across the whole 01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:39.896 state and one that many have chosen to 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.055 follow or aspire to follow. So, just 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.216 like to acknowledge that and Pam Weaver, 01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:45.815 who's in the gallery this evening. Thank 01:07:45.839 --> 01:07:48.136 you for joining us, Pam. 01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:51.095 , do we have other speakers to the 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:54.119 motion before us? Councelor Hilly, no. I 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:55.656 know you're very passionate in this 01:07:55.680 --> 01:07:58.216 space. So, all right. Council Bell, just 01:07:58.240 --> 01:08:00.616 making sure I don't miss you. No. All 01:08:00.640 --> 01:08:02.856 right. All good. Okay. So, councilors 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:04.535 and council Hopper, you happy for me to 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.216 put it to the vote? I think there's a 01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:08.696 unanimous decision on this one. So, all 01:08:08.720 --> 01:08:11.720 those in favor? Um so that is unanimous. 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.280 Um so thank you councilors. We now move 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.319 to um next um item which is the draft 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:23.239 domestic animal management plan for 2026 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.056 2029. So do I have a mover and a 01:08:26.080 --> 01:08:29.016 seconder for putting this out to 01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:31.255 exhibition for the community to respond 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.056 to. 01:08:34.080 --> 01:08:34.936 So moved. 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:37.016 Thank you. Do you have a seconder? 01:08:37.040 --> 01:08:38.695 Council Hopper. All right. Council 01:08:38.719 --> 01:08:40.295 Steph. We're going out for community 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:41.576 consultation. That's all this is, 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.655 Councelor May. And so sooner we get this 01:08:43.679 --> 01:08:45.416 out, the more the sooner we can get some 01:08:45.440 --> 01:08:46.695 responses to it. 01:08:46.719 --> 01:08:48.456 Thank you, Council Stefanopoulos. 01:08:48.480 --> 01:08:49.416 Council Hog. 01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:51.735 Um, yes. And just to note that this is a 01:08:51.759 --> 01:08:53.976 requirement of us that this be completed 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.000 by the 30th of June. Um so you know um 01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.359 it's fantastic timing that we're able to 01:09:01.040 --> 01:09:03.016 put our domestic animal management 01:09:03.040 --> 01:09:05.255 plan out to public consultation on the 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:07.335 same night um as we're receiving the 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.255 report of the animal management task 01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.335 force. Um and this is a wonderful 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.215 opportunity for the community to 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:16.295 provide us with their feedback. You know 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:18.616 um we hear from people that they want to 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:20.775 be engaged yet so often when we conduct 01:09:20.799 --> 01:09:23.576 these engagement processes we don't hear 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.496 um from a lot of people. And so we know 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.255 how very passionate the Skullington 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.976 community is about their pets um and 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.000 animals um and so we invite everyone um 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:35.735 to have their say as part of the public 01:09:35.759 --> 01:09:37.335 exhibition and to let us know what you 01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:39.576 think. 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.600 Thank you councelor Yaley. Um this is a 01:09:43.120 --> 01:09:45.175 very extensive document but my favorite 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:47.655 part of it is that it names the top dog 01:09:47.679 --> 01:09:50.679 names top cat names. So, the top top dog 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.815 names are Alfie, Frankie, Winnie, Daisy, 01:09:53.839 --> 01:09:56.135 and Ziggy. And the top cat names are 01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:58.616 Luna, Charlie, Lily, Max, and Coco. 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.215 There's also got top breeds and a few 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.056 things like that as well. So, it's it's 01:10:02.080 --> 01:10:03.576 there's still very exciting things in 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:06.056 there for a council report. Um, I think 01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:07.736 the key thing, there were two key things 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.695 that I got from from this um draft 01:10:10.719 --> 01:10:13.655 animal management plan. One was um about 01:10:13.679 --> 01:10:15.736 how our residents are really concerned 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:17.256 about people not picking up their dog 01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:20.280 food. um and officers came back to us 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.175 and and demonstrated that we actually 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.199 issue more fines for this issue than 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:28.936 Boradaro, Port Philip and Mon. So, you 01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:30.376 know, we are trying as much as we can, 01:10:30.400 --> 01:10:32.135 but it's it's a bit it is quite tricky 01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.135 to catch people in the act with dogs in 01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:36.456 the act with the people around them. Um 01:10:36.480 --> 01:10:38.376 the other thing which I think is worth 01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:41.400 flagging as a future consideration 01:10:41.440 --> 01:10:43.896 within this plan and also for us all 01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.920 generally is that um is cat containment. 01:10:47.280 --> 01:10:50.280 So currently 29 out of 41 metropolitan 01:10:50.320 --> 01:10:53.016 councils have a cat containment order or 01:10:53.040 --> 01:10:54.856 a developing a proposal. We don't 01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:56.695 currently have that but at the moment 01:10:56.719 --> 01:10:58.536 it's just us in Melton who aren't 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.560 heading in this direction. So um this 01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.695 this draft um engagement is allowing 01:11:04.719 --> 01:11:06.296 residents to give us feedback on how 01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:08.056 they think about that particular issue 01:11:08.080 --> 01:11:10.135 as well. And I'd really like to hear 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.056 residents feedback on that to help 01:11:12.080 --> 01:11:14.616 inform what the final plan is. Um, so 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.215 you have your chance to have your say 01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:18.376 between the 31st of March and the and 01:11:18.400 --> 01:11:21.096 April 28th. 01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:23.336 Thank you, Councelor Hilly. Any other 01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:26.360 speakers? No. Um, Council Steph, nothing 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:26.936 to say. 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:28.296 I'll now put it to the vote. All those 01:11:28.320 --> 01:11:30.215 in favor? 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:32.215 That motion's carried unanimously. Thank 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.215 you. We now move to significant 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.856 community benefit policy 8.5. Councelor 01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:38.456 Hopper, you like to move a deferral? 01:11:38.480 --> 01:11:41.336 Yes, I'd like to defer this by one. 01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:42.936 Thank you. Um, do you have a second now 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:44.695 supporting that? Oh, councelor Davis. 01:11:44.719 --> 01:11:46.936 Give councelor Davis a go. Councelor 01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:48.695 Davis. There you go. 01:11:48.719 --> 01:11:49.976 Well, well, you're right. Actually, your 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.376 hands up. Your counselor, your hand was 01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:54.135 up before council Stefanopoulos, so 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.776 technically you were second in line. Um, 01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:59.336 council Hopper. Um, look, this is a very 01:11:59.360 --> 01:12:02.360 important policy. Um it speaks to 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.416 investment in community infrastructure 01:12:05.440 --> 01:12:07.416 and placemaking 01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:10.440 um in the South Yara brand and visa area 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:12.616 particularly around the Chapel Street 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.640 [ __ ] um Siara precincts. Um we have um a 01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:20.056 master plan um for the Forest Hill 01:12:20.080 --> 01:12:23.080 precinct that is 18 years old this year. 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.520 Um I believe um and that we are very 01:12:27.040 --> 01:12:29.655 little way into implementing um because 01:12:29.679 --> 01:12:31.736 of the significant expense um of 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.456 implementing it. Um and in addition we 01:12:34.480 --> 01:12:37.480 are well underway in preparing um a chap 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.000 street transformation master plan um by 01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:43.496 Excuse me. Sorry in the gallery. Can I 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.296 just ask you? Sorry, Chris. Um, we can 01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:48.856 stay and talk. We need to listen to the 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.536 speakers around the table. Thank you. 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:51.976 Sorry, council. 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.000 That's okay. Um, so, um, we first, um, I 01:12:57.440 --> 01:13:00.376 guess saw this policy ahead of a 01:13:00.400 --> 01:13:03.256 briefing about a week ago. Um and so I 01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:06.280 would just appreciate um more time um to 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.640 engage with officers um on feedback that 01:13:10.080 --> 01:13:12.616 um council has had around the policy um 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.215 and to flesh out some further 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:15.096 discussion. 01:13:15.120 --> 01:13:16.616 All right. Thank you councelor Hopper 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.416 and councelor Davis. Um the it's rare 01:13:19.440 --> 01:13:22.440 that I concur with councelor Hopper but 01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:26.760 we had a chat about this earlier and I 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:27.976 would like to spend a little bit more 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:31.000 time on this reason. 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:36.776 Thank you councelor Davis. I don't know 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.576 what to say to that um politically. 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.600 Okay. Um any unseers to the deferral for 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.175 one cycle? No. I'll put that to the 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:48.056 vote. Council all those in favor. and 01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:49.976 that matter has been deferred for one 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.135 cycle. Thank you. All right. We now move 01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:55.159 to item 8.6 to list tobacco. Thank you. 01:13:55.360 --> 01:13:56.695 Council Stefanopoulos. Do I have a 01:13:56.719 --> 01:13:58.936 second? 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:00.695 I'll second the motion. Council 01:14:00.719 --> 01:14:01.496 Stefanopoulos. 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.456 Thank you, Mayor. Um as as reported in 01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:06.856 the officer recommendation, um council 01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:08.856 does not have any local statutory powers 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:10.936 to direct or close or prevented tobacco 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.960 stores. I have one in my area and I I'm 01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:17.159 always um 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:19.976 concerned about being targeted and 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.000 thankfully it hasn't I haven't um I'm 01:14:23.120 --> 01:14:25.256 touching wood hoping that it I haven't 01:14:25.280 --> 01:14:27.736 jinxed it. Um we will continue as we 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:29.096 always have to leers with Victoria 01:14:29.120 --> 01:14:30.856 Police and the other agencies that do 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.616 hope the authority can do something 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.336 about this. We have seen um recent 01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:37.976 moves. Um on Sunday the 9th the 15th of 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.496 March, the Victorian government has 01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:41.896 announced progressing a 90-day closure 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:43.336 power for premises linked to elicit 01:14:43.360 --> 01:14:45.416 tobacco activity enabling enforcement 01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:47.175 agencies to temporarily close stores 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:48.695 suspected of serious breaches on the 01:14:48.719 --> 01:14:50.776 state tobacco licensing scheme. It is 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:52.856 clearly a state government issue here. 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.215 It's not the local government to step 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.239 into this um into this area. It's a 01:14:57.360 --> 01:14:59.336 leases leasing and licensing and 01:14:59.360 --> 01:15:02.360 criminal activity issue that is not 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.296 council's remitt and we should not be 01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:06.936 stepping into this. Um it's not our 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:08.776 responsibility. So we will continue to 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.175 advocate and support the agencies that 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:12.536 can do the work for us. 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.175 Um thank you councelor Novice. Um as a 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:16.856 second I'll reserve my right but I do 01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:19.880 want to ask Miss Karro if a question. 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:23.159 can you just um so what is the current 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.655 activity that council officers engage 01:15:25.679 --> 01:15:27.976 with in relation to with Victoria Police 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.000 in relation to the illicit tobacco trade 01:15:31.040 --> 01:15:33.175 in Stington 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:36.199 um officers as they go into some of 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.800 the these sites they um gather intel 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:41.896 they understand sometimes what's 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:43.976 happening in and around these um 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.056 premises and they engage with police and 01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:49.016 pass on that um seeking obviously for 01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:51.016 further investigations to have. The 01:15:51.040 --> 01:15:53.175 other thing they do do is also um 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.199 education with those operating um 01:15:56.480 --> 01:15:59.480 businesses to um work with them about um 01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.239 how they're managing their site. Um so 01:16:03.280 --> 01:16:06.280 we have also looked at increasing our 01:16:07.040 --> 01:16:09.816 local presence during times that police 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:12.456 are undertaking um operations in our 01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:14.776 precincts. Um and we continue to do 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:15.896 that. 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:17.655 Okay. Thank you, M. I just wanted to be 01:16:17.679 --> 01:16:19.655 clear on council because there is a role 01:16:19.679 --> 01:16:22.056 um it's not certainly it is led by 01:16:22.080 --> 01:16:24.215 police but sorry councel Davis and I've 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:25.976 reserved my right I'll just get towards 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:26.936 the end thank you 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.496 I was just going to say it's it's 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.896 actually in my view a federal government 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:34.920 responsibility to takeide 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:36.856 approach to this scene they're letting 01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.880 most of the contraband come into this 01:16:40.320 --> 01:16:43.320 country and it's um the illicit 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:47.159 smoking has according Alan Colola who 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:50.600 did an extensive study on this that 01:16:51.679 --> 01:16:54.376 elicit smoking has taken off and 01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:56.215 tobacco excise revenue to the government 01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.239 has collapsed from a peak of 16 billion 01:17:00.080 --> 01:17:03.080 in 2019 to 7.4 billion and dropping. Um 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:08.840 the organized crime is making around 10 01:17:09.679 --> 01:17:12.679 billion a year in revenue and it seems 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:15.880 that the only state government that 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:18.776 initiated any response to this is um 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:21.576 South Australia's Malanascus, 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:24.600 correct me if I mispronounced it, um who 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:26.616 has set up a special tobacco enforcement 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.175 squad of 45 officers and gave them 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:32.135 warrant search and seizure powers. So 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:33.816 members of the squad can enter a shop 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:35.655 selling lesser tobacco or vaping 01:17:35.679 --> 01:17:37.336 products, confiscate the stock and shut 01:17:37.360 --> 01:17:40.360 the store for 3 months. the the 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.816 Queensland government has now copied 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:45.896 South Australia, but other states are 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:47.336 slow to do it. 01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:49.736 So I think really that this is a 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.976 national problem and there should be a 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:55.000 national approach to this. 01:17:55.040 --> 01:17:56.695 Um thank you councelor Davis on the 01:17:56.719 --> 01:17:58.215 speakers. 01:17:58.239 --> 01:17:59.175 Council Prince, 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:00.776 I have a question. Yes, 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:01.896 if I may. 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:03.736 Who would you like to direct it to? 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.760 The director, please, or my CEO, if 01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:07.896 that's okay. 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:10.215 Um, regarding the announcement of the 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:12.856 90-day closure powers, which is a great 01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:14.536 idea. 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:16.616 Is the draft legislation ready for 01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:18.056 parliament? 01:18:18.080 --> 01:18:20.456 , through May, I would have to take 01:18:20.480 --> 01:18:22.936 that on notice. Um, it's not there yet. 01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:25.960 Um what I would say um and I'll take a 01:18:26.480 --> 01:18:29.480 little bit of license it is a good start 01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:31.416 but there is more to go. 01:18:31.440 --> 01:18:34.135 Yeah thank you. that's what I 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:37.159 thought. I think it's largely a great 01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.736 idea and unfortunately we are currently 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:41.976 suffering through the crisis that is 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:44.695 elicit tobacco and councelor Davis is 01:18:44.719 --> 01:18:47.096 exactly right. That's $10 billion a 01:18:47.120 --> 01:18:50.120 year, which to put it in context is more 01:18:50.320 --> 01:18:53.320 money than the Commonwealth Bank makes 01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:55.976 and it is an illegal activity. It's been 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.215 a disastrous 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.776 activity um and operation run by the 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:01.896 federal government and the state 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.896 government. I mean, one press release 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:05.736 isn't going to do anything to actually 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:08.760 make our streets safer, one iota. But 01:19:09.679 --> 01:19:12.679 here we are. Let's say that's fantastic. 01:19:13.280 --> 01:19:15.496 The idea is great. Let's actually see 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:17.016 some action, make sure our streets are 01:19:17.040 --> 01:19:19.655 safer rather than just applauding a 01:19:19.679 --> 01:19:21.496 press release. But the officers have 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:23.576 done a great job in Stunnington in doing 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.296 everything they can within their powers. 01:19:26.320 --> 01:19:27.736 It's just sad we don't have more 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:29.736 responsibility. 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:32.215 Okay, other speakers. Councelor Hilly. 01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:35.239 Um, so I believe like we can't take this 01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:37.736 particular um officer report in 01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:40.456 isolation of going back of the great 01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:43.096 advocacy work that was done beforehand. 01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:44.936 And I believe that the request for this 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.256 report came from um councelor Humphre 01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:48.616 and I think it's a really good idea. It 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.576 was essentially you know is can we just 01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:53.416 have another look at our local laws and 01:19:53.440 --> 01:19:55.175 just understand if there is anything 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:57.896 else that we can possibly be doing and 01:19:57.920 --> 01:19:59.736 it seems from the report we are actually 01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:01.096 doing as much as we can but it's good 01:20:01.120 --> 01:20:02.695 that we took the chance to have a look 01:20:02.719 --> 01:20:05.175 at it to see that if we could do better. 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:08.199 Um but really there's limits to what we 01:20:08.400 --> 01:20:10.536 can do and it sits with with state and 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:13.336 federal. um we'll continue to advocate 01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:15.175 as much as we can, but it's really 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.655 advocating. It's not the doing which has 01:20:17.679 --> 01:20:20.296 to happen at those other levels. So um 01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:22.536 I'm glad we did this and it's not it's a 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.135 continuation of the work that we are 01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:26.456 doing within our region. So um so 01:20:26.480 --> 01:20:28.936 councelor Hilly this actually commenced 01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:30.616 with a meeting that I had with um the 01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:32.215 police minister last year Anthony 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.776 Carbines talking about elicit tobacco 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.336 and as a result of the fire bombings in 01:20:37.360 --> 01:20:40.360 Chapel Street which as you know resulted 01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:43.480 in some very tragic outcomes for people 01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:46.215 looking for a quick buck. And for those 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:47.976 that aren't familiar with how this has 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.000 all come about, it's two organized gangs 01:20:51.440 --> 01:20:53.496 operating overseas that we have no 01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.520 powers over. Um they put ads on Air 01:20:57.120 --> 01:20:58.695 Tasker 01:20:58.719 --> 01:21:00.936 which people respond to looking for 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:02.856 some cryptocurrency to the tune of 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.880 $1,000. And that is why we see amateurs 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:08.936 and excessive 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:11.416 um outcomes where we see firebombs going 01:21:11.440 --> 01:21:13.256 off, people getting setting themselves 01:21:13.280 --> 01:21:16.280 alike and so forth. So that that's the 01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:18.695 origin behind this. And as councelor 01:21:18.719 --> 01:21:21.416 Davis said, I think I read somewhere 01:21:21.440 --> 01:21:24.440 even if we confiscated 19 out of the 20 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.840 containers of illegal tobacco, it's 01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:31.816 still a hugely profitable industry. So, 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:34.135 we're on the back foot completely. Um, 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.456 this is a step in the right direction. 01:21:36.480 --> 01:21:39.096 , but it's still nowhere near enough. 01:21:39.120 --> 01:21:41.655 Um, stopping the fact um, and our 01:21:41.679 --> 01:21:43.416 officers can tell you when they have 01:21:43.440 --> 01:21:45.336 gone on patrols with the police, 01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:47.576 confiscated all of the illegal tobacco. 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:50.456 They're literally open the next day and 01:21:50.480 --> 01:21:52.135 there are no powers whatsoever in 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:53.576 Victoria to stop that from happening. 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:55.256 So, there's no deterrent. And you can 01:21:55.280 --> 01:21:57.256 walk down all main streets and you can 01:21:57.280 --> 01:21:59.496 pick these places. It's obvious. We know 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:01.096 what the rents are in Chapel Street. And 01:22:01.120 --> 01:22:02.776 when you've got one fridge in there with 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:04.936 a couple of cans of soft drink and some 01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:06.776 American candy and that's all you're 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.695 doing to pay your Chapel Street rent, 01:22:08.719 --> 01:22:10.615 it's clear that the activity is not 01:22:10.639 --> 01:22:13.336 there to focus on some convenience 01:22:13.360 --> 01:22:16.056 products. So, we'll continue to advocate 01:22:16.080 --> 01:22:18.536 on this. Um it still, as I said, has not 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.256 gone far enough. it has certainly had 01:22:21.280 --> 01:22:23.496 a very destructive impact on Chapel 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.976 Street with um the fire bombings that 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:27.976 we've seen of late. And um we'll 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.856 continue to to push as we have been um 01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.736 with police and um look to enforce 01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:35.576 more changes and we are commencing a 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.496 review of our local law but that will 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.496 deal with other issues not so much this 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:41.496 particular one which as we've said is a 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.976 policing state and a federal issue. All 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.936 right. So um council Stephanos you happy 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.296 for to vote? 01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:49.016 Yes please. 01:22:49.040 --> 01:22:50.776 Councelor Bell did you want to add 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.695 anything? Okay. All right. So I'll put 01:22:52.719 --> 01:22:55.496 it to the vote. All those in favor? , 01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:57.416 that motion's carried unanimously. 01:22:57.440 --> 01:22:59.896 Council, we now move to item 8.7, the 01:22:59.920 --> 01:23:02.920 Elizabeth Street car parking project. 01:23:05.120 --> 01:23:06.536 Moved, council Healey, seconded, 01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:08.056 councelor Hopper. Councelor Hilly. 01:23:08.080 --> 01:23:10.296 Thank you. So, the Elizabeth Street car 01:23:10.320 --> 01:23:13.320 park is a car park next to the markets. 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:16.520 Um this is essentially about extending 01:23:16.719 --> 01:23:19.655 the current um 1 hour park free pre- 01:23:19.679 --> 01:23:21.175 parking initiative that's been happening 01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.256 to market during market days between 01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:26.280 7:00 11 a.m. Um and 01:23:28.400 --> 01:23:29.896 essentially 01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.736 there's lots of reasons as to why this 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.256 is a good idea as far as supporting our 01:23:33.280 --> 01:23:35.016 local economy and the in the the 01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:37.096 marketing and so forth. One of the other 01:23:37.120 --> 01:23:39.736 things that sits behind this is we do 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.760 have a significant parking levy being 01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:45.175 put upon us by the state government, the 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.056 congestion levy. Um, and if it can be 01:23:48.080 --> 01:23:50.695 shown that this is in fact a retail car 01:23:50.719 --> 01:23:53.256 park, then we might be able to get a 50% 01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:56.280 discount on that congestion levy, which 01:23:56.320 --> 01:23:58.615 will be great for the market, great for 01:23:58.639 --> 01:24:01.496 the for the area around it as well. So, 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:03.336 um I'm sure that the pre market would 01:24:03.360 --> 01:24:05.096 prefer that we were offering more of a 01:24:05.120 --> 01:24:07.496 discount, more flexibility and so forth. 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:09.416 Um but at the very least, we're 01:24:09.440 --> 01:24:12.440 continuing the the free parking 1 hour 01:24:12.719 --> 01:24:14.856 initiative um for the foreseeable 01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.695 future. Thank you. 01:24:16.719 --> 01:24:19.336 Thank you, Councelor Hilly. Council Her 01:24:19.360 --> 01:24:21.736 um I wasn't sure about this initiative 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:24.056 at first when it first came to council. 01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:26.695 Um but it's actually really great to see 01:24:26.719 --> 01:24:29.719 that it is having success um and that 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.615 it's being effective um in you know 01:24:32.639 --> 01:24:34.856 encouraging people to come to the market 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:37.336 and it's being taken up um by patrons 01:24:37.360 --> 01:24:39.576 who visit the market um and as councelor 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.976 Healey has highlighted it may offer us 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.000 an opportunity as well to receive a 50% 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:47.816 discount um on our condition that charge 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:50.840 at this location um which would be very 01:24:51.040 --> 01:24:54.040 welcome. So um happy to support this. 01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:57.096 Thank you councel. Do I have other 01:24:57.120 --> 01:25:00.120 speakers to the recommendation? 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.456 No. Um happy to put it. Councelor Hilly. 01:25:02.480 --> 01:25:04.776 All those in favor 01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:07.416 that motion unanimously. We now moved to 01:25:07.440 --> 01:25:10.440 the J.8 the proposed divestment of 01:25:11.360 --> 01:25:13.496 136 Water Tree Road Molvin. 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:14.056 So moved. 01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:17.080 Moved. Councelor Stephanopoulo seconded. 01:25:19.280 --> 01:25:22.056 Councelor Davis, we're slow tonight. 01:25:22.080 --> 01:25:22.695 Councilors, 01:25:22.719 --> 01:25:24.776 thank you, Mayor. I'm delighted to see 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:26.376 that we're finally um devesting 01:25:26.400 --> 01:25:28.215 ourselves of a property that we do not 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:29.896 no longer need and we haven't needed 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.376 for, dare I say, almost my entire life, 01:25:32.400 --> 01:25:35.400 which is a very long time. Um we had um 01:25:36.080 --> 01:25:37.655 we went out for community consultation 01:25:37.679 --> 01:25:39.175 and the community came back with a 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:41.496 number of suggested ideas, many of which 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.520 we had already um assessed as being not 01:25:45.360 --> 01:25:47.736 favorable to council. We also had a 01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:48.856 number of people who were interested in 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:50.695 acquiring the property and also a number 01:25:50.719 --> 01:25:52.456 of real estate agents who were keen to 01:25:52.480 --> 01:25:54.695 market the property for us. We did have 01:25:54.719 --> 01:25:56.776 commentary from some people that said 01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:58.856 the property had been gifted to the to 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.056 the council at the time which is 01:26:00.080 --> 01:26:01.896 incorrect. It was a compulsory 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.920 acquisition um back in the 1970s. The 01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:08.135 rear section was um added to the car 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:09.576 park and the building remained. The 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:11.256 building is now in a heritage overlay. 01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:14.280 Um I do not um there is no value in in 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:18.776 developing this site. It is too small. 01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.776 Once you put a car park once you put a 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.800 lift in and you put stairs in the floor 01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.615 um ratio that you will get is minuscule 01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:28.376 and the cost in doing that would be 01:26:28.400 --> 01:26:31.400 astronomical. So um it's a little tiny 01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:33.175 little shop that someone might be 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.016 interested in buying. I'm sure there's 01:26:35.040 --> 01:26:36.456 an active community out there. We 01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:37.816 already can see that in the consultation 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.615 that's come out and um we can now devest 01:26:40.639 --> 01:26:42.056 ourselves of a property we really don't 01:26:42.080 --> 01:26:43.016 need. 01:26:43.040 --> 01:26:45.576 Um thank you councelor Stephanop did you 01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:47.896 fel did you mention it was a former mea 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:48.376 op shop. 01:26:48.400 --> 01:26:49.736 No I didn't but it's in the report 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.655 for those who weren't aware it's the one 01:26:51.679 --> 01:26:54.056 on tree road. It was a tiny little shop 01:26:54.080 --> 01:26:56.215 next to car park which was a mecha op 01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:58.536 shop. Council Davis. well, Council 01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:00.936 Stephvens has encapsulated everything, 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.256 so I don't need to add much more. 01:27:03.280 --> 01:27:06.280 except to say that um people are sad to 01:27:06.639 --> 01:27:08.776 see it go, but really isn't much use to 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:10.296 us. I'm afraid there's not much we can 01:27:10.320 --> 01:27:13.320 do with it. and um it is really a 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:17.560 noose around our neck at the moment 01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:20.600 and business is me no longer wished to 01:27:20.719 --> 01:27:23.336 use it. They've already moved out. Um, 01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:26.135 and I'm just relieved that the use of 01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.456 the net sales proceeds will be held in 01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:31.480 the future fund for hopefully a while 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.376 longer. Thank you, Councelor Davis. 01:27:34.400 --> 01:27:37.400 Other speakers to the motion. There 01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:38.776 being none, I'll put it to the vote. 01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:40.296 Councelor Stefanopoulos. All those in 01:27:40.320 --> 01:27:43.320 favor? That motion's made unanimously. 01:27:43.360 --> 01:27:44.296 Councilors, do you have any 01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:47.320 correspondence to table this evening? 01:27:48.400 --> 01:27:50.615 No. Are any tableabling petitions or 01:27:50.639 --> 01:27:53.336 joint letters? 01:27:53.360 --> 01:27:55.496 There being um no notice of motion, we 01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:57.736 move to reports by councilors and we 01:27:57.760 --> 01:27:59.576 move to a record of the council briefing 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.600 held on the 23rd of March 2026. So move 01:28:03.679 --> 01:28:06.296 and do I have a second council cherry 01:28:06.320 --> 01:28:08.615 all those in favor of adopting those 01:28:08.639 --> 01:28:10.776 minutes as an accurate reflection. Thank 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:12.456 you. And council's the second record of 01:28:12.480 --> 01:28:14.615 council workshop held on the 21st of 01:28:14.639 --> 01:28:16.215 March 2026. 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:18.536 Seconded councelor Douglas. all those 01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:20.296 in favor of adopting those minutes, 01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:22.456 those reports. Thank you, councilors. We 01:28:22.480 --> 01:28:24.215 now move to questions to council 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:27.239 officers. council. 01:28:27.679 --> 01:28:29.175 Um 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:32.199 I was informed yesterday that the PSO 01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.840 at Darling Station in East Min 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.880 East or two of them have been on on 01:28:40.719 --> 01:28:43.016 station there for some time to be 01:28:43.040 --> 01:28:45.736 relocated and the state government 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:48.760 hasn't yet announced sorry 01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:52.360 just the director of health wellbe 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.376 if she is aware of whether any 01:28:56.400 --> 01:28:58.215 decision has been made because of the 01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.175 relationship with Bitco and what 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.199 other train stations in in Scotland may 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:07.655 be impacted by this decision which 01:29:07.679 --> 01:29:08.936 apparent state government has not 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:10.536 announced but I have very good authority 01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:13.016 that this is actually happening 01:29:13.040 --> 01:29:16.040 um through thank you um I will I'm not 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:19.175 aware um but I will seek some advice 01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:22.199 from the area um and to understand 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:25.880 the why it is so and where is that So be 01:29:27.040 --> 01:29:29.736 up to move to and what what that means 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:32.215 for station. Yeah. 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:33.336 Thank you. 01:29:33.360 --> 01:29:34.776 Thank you, councelor. Any other 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:35.256 questions? 01:29:35.280 --> 01:29:38.215 No. Questions? Council Humphre? 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:41.239 got a quite a few actually. 01:29:41.679 --> 01:29:44.215 Um I'd like to thank the residents of 01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:45.816 Martin Court for joining us this 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.615 evening. Martin Court to this 01:29:48.639 --> 01:29:51.576 question is to infrastructure director. 01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.600 Um, Martin Court was a beautiful street 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:57.496 and I say was as the important 01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:59.256 council it needs to be phrased as a 01:29:59.280 --> 01:29:59.655 question. 01:29:59.679 --> 01:30:01.096 It is a question. I haven't stopped to 01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:01.896 speak. 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:03.816 What's the question? 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.695 So Martin Court, which does not have a 01:30:06.719 --> 01:30:09.719 footpath and has had all of its amenity, 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.376 its grass and its beautiful tree at the 01:30:12.400 --> 01:30:15.400 top of the street removed because of the 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:18.456 state government's decision to ignore 01:30:18.480 --> 01:30:21.256 what's needed to ask that in the form of 01:30:21.280 --> 01:30:22.135 a question. 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:23.976 Yeah, but we rules. 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:25.496 We're under questions to council 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:26.215 officers. 01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:26.695 Yes. 01:30:26.719 --> 01:30:29.096 Ask a question. So what is the question? 01:30:29.120 --> 01:30:30.296 And under the governance rules, we're 01:30:30.320 --> 01:30:31.816 allowed a preamble within the time 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:34.056 minutes, which is section B of it. 01:30:34.080 --> 01:30:35.896 Please ask I've asked you, I'll give you 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:38.056 a direction. You've set the preamble. 01:30:38.080 --> 01:30:40.056 Please ask the question as I gave 01:30:40.080 --> 01:30:41.736 councelor Davis some time. So, please 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:43.816 get to the question. Thank you. 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:46.840 What actions canon take to rectify or 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:50.456 help rectify for the residents there the 01:30:50.480 --> 01:30:52.376 streetscape that has been demolished by 01:30:52.400 --> 01:30:54.215 the state government and the power 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:56.695 corporation. 01:30:56.719 --> 01:30:59.576 Thank you. Through you, Mayor. Um it's 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:02.296 regrettable that again we are in the 01:31:02.320 --> 01:31:05.320 position we're in where a I believe 01:31:05.440 --> 01:31:07.736 it's City power in this instance 01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:10.536 and their contractor had not done an 01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:11.736 excellent job in terms of the 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.135 reinstatement works. this is a 01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:17.159 regular occurrence. We we can't um 01:31:18.400 --> 01:31:21.175 influence them with with power. We 01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:23.655 will actively work with them to get that 01:31:23.679 --> 01:31:26.679 reinstated to a suitable standard. 01:31:27.040 --> 01:31:29.336 So I'd like to ask a question at their 01:31:29.360 --> 01:31:31.816 cost. This isn't the first time a 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:34.376 utility provider hasn't 01:31:34.400 --> 01:31:37.400 rectified an area to the standard that 01:31:37.440 --> 01:31:39.016 we expect 01:31:39.040 --> 01:31:40.615 or have they found it. 01:31:40.639 --> 01:31:43.175 Correct. it will be all all um 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:45.175 reinstatement works are undertaken at 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:47.576 City powers costs 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:48.056 right 01:31:48.080 --> 01:31:49.416 resulting from their works. 01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:51.655 Thank you councel. As a subsequent 01:31:51.679 --> 01:31:54.679 question for residents, is there a 01:31:55.440 --> 01:31:57.896 notional timeline in which we will be 01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:00.056 able to leazing with the power company 01:32:00.080 --> 01:32:01.736 to help rectify those issues? 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:04.760 through you, Mayor, we we will leaz 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.199 with the power um utility this week. 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:10.695 we'll do that as quickly as we possibly 01:32:10.719 --> 01:32:13.096 can. Time frame for their 01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:15.336 reinstatement works is a matter for them 01:32:15.360 --> 01:32:18.296 and outside their control. 01:32:18.320 --> 01:32:21.320 Um, one final followup. Um, have we had 01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.615 a reasonable track record in getting 01:32:24.639 --> 01:32:26.856 to come back and remediate the works 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:28.215 that they have destroyed? 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.239 , through you, May. Yes, we have. 01:32:31.679 --> 01:32:34.215 Thank you, Council. 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:35.576 All right. Any other questions to 01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:37.175 council officers? You got some more? 01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:39.976 Yeah, I've got a he 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.000 um to not even do a preamble and just 01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:45.496 get straight into it. In Lisb Court, a 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:47.896 resident has been fined for trying to 01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:49.896 protect a significant treere's root 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:52.536 system. 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:55.175 Can council officers rectify that? 01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:57.976 Because penalizing a resident for 01:32:58.000 --> 01:32:59.655 protecting a significant tree, I would 01:32:59.679 --> 01:33:01.336 believe breach is probably a view of our 01:33:01.360 --> 01:33:03.256 policies. If the officers can consider 01:33:03.280 --> 01:33:05.016 that, that would be great. 01:33:05.040 --> 01:33:08.040 Take on those. 01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:11.159 Um, regarding the one December council 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:15.175 meeting, 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:18.199 um, I asked a question of whether a 01:33:18.400 --> 01:33:21.096 briefing could be done for the 78 tram 01:33:21.120 --> 01:33:23.816 and its extension. 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.416 That item has not been listed on a 01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:27.256 briefing. What briefing is that coming 01:33:27.280 --> 01:33:30.280 to 01:33:31.120 --> 01:33:34.120 notice? I'll have to to 01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:37.016 notice then to council, please. And then 01:33:37.040 --> 01:33:40.040 one final one um to the C CEO and CFO. 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:45.880 Over the last 10 budgets, has 70% of our 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:48.856 capital allocation gone to Piran and 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.880 Molden East. 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:55.256 Do we have taken notice? 01:33:55.280 --> 01:33:56.615 Thank you, Council. 01:33:56.639 --> 01:33:57.256 Thank you. 01:33:57.280 --> 01:33:58.376 You're welcome. 01:33:58.400 --> 01:33:59.416 Right. Councilors, we 01:33:59.440 --> 01:34:02.440 I have a question. Sorry. Um I I don't 01:34:02.639 --> 01:34:05.096 recall the 78 tram being extended, but 01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:08.056 can I ask was that the correct Can I 01:34:08.080 --> 01:34:09.816 This can be taken on notice. Did we 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:11.816 discuss that the 78 tram, which runs 01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:13.976 along Chuckle Street, be extended 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:16.856 and um Miss Harry can take that on 01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:17.256 notice? 01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:17.816 Yeah. 01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:19.256 Would you like me to clarify? 01:34:19.280 --> 01:34:21.736 No. No, we we're taking them both on 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:23.496 notice and we will 01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:25.096 got minutes and we've got recordings and 01:34:25.120 --> 01:34:26.776 we can pull that out. Thank you. Any 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:28.615 other questions to council officers? 01:34:28.639 --> 01:34:30.376 Councilors, , is there any urgent 01:34:30.400 --> 01:34:32.695 business we need to discuss? No, 01:34:32.719 --> 01:34:33.976 councilors, we now move to general 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:36.135 business. 01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:37.496 All right. Um, there being no 01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:39.096 confidential business, I will now 01:34:39.120 --> 01:34:40.695 formally declare the council meeting 01:34:40.719 --> 01:34:43.719 closed at My Glasses on at 8:36 p.m. 01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:46.615 this evening. Thank you, councilors. 01:34:46.639 --> 01:34:47.816 Thank you to everyone that joined us in 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:49.096 the gallery this evening. Thank you 01:34:49.120 --> 01:34:50.936 everyone online and wishing you a 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.960 wonderful week. Thank you.