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Good evening and welcome to the City of

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Stonnington council meeting of Monday the

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3rd of August 2026. I'm councelor Melina

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Sehr. I'm the Mayor of the City of

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Stonnington. We'll begin with the reading

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of the statement of reconciliation. We

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acknowledge we are meeting on the

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traditional lands of the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung

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and Bunurong Peoples of the East Kulin

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Nations and pay our respects to their

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Elders past and present. We extend their

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respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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Islander peoples. We acknowledge their

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living connection to country,

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relationship with the land and all

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living things extending back tens of

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thousands of years. I now move to the

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reading of our statement of commitment.

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We are reminded that as councilors, we

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are bound by our oath of office to

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undertake the duties of councelor in the

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best interest of the people of the City

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of Stonnington and to faithfully and

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impartially carry out the functions,

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powers, authorities, and discretions

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vested in us under the local government

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act and any other relevant act. Before

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we introduce councilors and officers,

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I'd like to take this opportunity to

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remind our attendees of the behavioral

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expectations at council meetings.

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Members of the public are not permitted

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to address the council and may only do

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so with the consent of the chair or by

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prior arrangement.

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Council provides an opportunity for

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public engagement through questions from

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the community section of the meeting

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which requires pre-registration with our

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governance team. Any member of the

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public addressing the council must

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extend due courtesy and respect to the

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council and the processes under which it

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operates and must take direction from

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the chair whenever called upon to do so.

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A member of the public is in attendance

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at a council meeting that must not

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disrupt the meeting. Any member of the

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public who disrupts the meeting or fails

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to comply with the direction I have

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issued may be removed from the council

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meeting. I'll now introduce the

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counselors around the table. From to

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my left we have from Toorak ward councelor

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Tom Humphries from Orrong ward councelor

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Samantha Choudhury she's also our Deputy

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Mayor from Wattletree ward councelor Steve

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Stefanopoulos from Tooronga ward

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councelor Jamie Bell and to my right

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from Hedgeley Dene ward councelor Sally

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Davis from Malvern Valley Ward councelor

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Jami Klisaris from Como ward councelor Megan

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Hopper and from South Yarra Ward councelor

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Kate Hely and our executive manager of

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governance public affairs Xavier Smerdon will

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now introduce the staff present here

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this evening. Thank you

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Thank you. And through you, Mayor.

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Behind us is Emily Stockdale, senior

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governance officer, and Evelyn Huang,

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the governance officer. To your far

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right is Julie Gallace, the chief

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financial officer. Cath Harold, director

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of community planning, and Reece Thomas,

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the coordinator of governance. To your

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far left is Simon Holloway, director of

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environment and infrastructure. Daniela

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Mazone, director organization

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accountability. And to your immediate

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right is Dale Dixon, the chief executive

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officer.

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Thank you, Mr. Smerdon councilors,

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we now move for apologies. Are there any

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apologies for future meetings? Council

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Choudhury September 14th meeting.

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Okay. Any other apologies?

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So I'll ask that leave be granted for

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councelor Choudhury for the September

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14th meeting.

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Move councelor councelor Davis

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seconded. Councelor Timms. All those in

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favor that leave be granted. Thank you

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councelor Choudhury. You have a lovely

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wherever you're off to we now moved

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to adoption and confirmation of minutes

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of previous meetings. Councilors, we

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have one set of minutes listed for

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adoption tonight and they're the minutes

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of the council meeting on the 20th of

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July 2026. There any questions?

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So, who'd like to move the minutes and

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second those minutes? Councelor

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Stefanopoulos second. Councelor Choudhury.

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Councelor Stefanopoulos comments.

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Councelor Choudhury. All those in favor

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of adopting the minutes. It's an

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accurate recording meeting that's

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carried unanimously. Thank the

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councilors. We now move to six disclosed

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by councils of any conflict of interest

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as there are any conflicts of interest

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to declared tonight on tonight's agenda.

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No. Moving on and move now to questions

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to council from the community. We've

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received two valid questions 

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submissions rather from the community

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for tonight's meeting which will be

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presented in person. And for though the

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benefit of those joining us tonight,

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I'll briefly outline the process. I'll

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invite the submitter by name to move to

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the middle of the gallery to address the

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council. The submitter will have up to

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three minutes to ask their question or

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to make a statement. At the 2 and 1/2

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minute mark, you'll hear the bell ring

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once and this is to indicate that the

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submitter has 30 seconds remaining. At

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the conclusion of 3 minutes, you'll hear

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the bell ring twice, at which point the

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submitter must finish speaking. In

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accordance with the governance rules,

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those submissions which relate to items

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on tonight's agenda will not be referred

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to officers for a response. However,

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councilors may withdrew facilitate

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discussion of the submission during the

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discussion for the relevant item.

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Submitters will be visible and audible

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to all counselors, council officers and

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the gallery and audible to the public

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watching the live stream online. I'll

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also take this opportunity to remind our

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submitters for this evening to please

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use the wording of the presubmitted

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questionnaire statement and to ensure

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that it remains in line with council's

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mutual respect charter. I now invite

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Dimitrius Kukus who is joining

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us in person to read a submission in

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relation to digital parking permits for

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residents in the 24 by7 permit zones.

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Yes, of course you can.

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Oh, thank you. Okay so I'm a

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lifelong resident of Stonnington,

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including the former City of Prahran and

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currently with East in a 24-hour 7-day

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 permanent parking zone. I

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respectfully ask the council to

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reconsider the proposed fee and continue

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the current arrangements or

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alternatively to provide exemptions or

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concessions to residents living in 24/7

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permit zones. My wife and I purchased

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our home before the permit zone was

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introduced. When council consulted

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residents in the introduction of the

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permit scheme, we voted against it. The

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parking zone was approved and implemented. At

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the time, residents were advised the

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scheme included two free parking permits

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and residents voted on that

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understanding. Noting this has now

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changed.

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Unlike discretionary council services, a

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parking permit for residents living in a

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24/7 permit zone is not optional. It's a

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requirement arising from council's

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parking restrictions. Because our street

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has a 24/7 scanning, there is no choice

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but to obtain permits for residents and

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visitors to park near the homes. Living

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in a 24/7 permit zone has a real impact

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on my family's day-to-day life. As a

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Greek Australian family, gatherings

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extend family for occasions such as

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Easter, Christmas, and days is an

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important part of our culture and

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identity. We've had to adjust how we

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plan and host these gatherings because

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of parking restrictions and parking

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availability has become a source of

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anxiety when preparing for family

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events. This is particularly difficult

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for elderly relatives and people with

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mobility limitations who need to park

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close by. The restrictions hinder

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important cultural and family traditions

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by creating barriers to bringing

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families together. The digital parking

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scheme as a as a further administrative

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technology burden when arranging visits

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from family and friends. It's important

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to distinguish between residents living

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in a 24 permanent zone and those living

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in areas where parking restrictions only

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apply during limited periods. Those

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residents retain some flexibility and

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are affected only at certain times of

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the day. Residents in 24/7 zones are

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always subject to restrictions. We

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become converted commerce users of the

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permit system solely because of where we

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live, not because we've chosen to use a

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council service. Applying the user pace

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principle in the above mentioned

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circumstance is inequitable. There is

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also president the council recognized

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that residents disproportionately

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affected by parking management

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arrangement should receive additional

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support. More than 25 years ago

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residents of P Street would provide a

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third visit of parking permit for free

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due to the impacts associated with the

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empire mark precinct. Council's

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benchmark sorry council's benchmark also

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appears incomplete. Mish and the tour

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council both neighboring municipalities

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with free parking permit arrangements

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were excluded while Marbeck and Marav

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and Marvin were included despite not

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bordering stunning including Mach and

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Borandara may produce different

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benchmarking outcomes.

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Thank you for your submission this

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evening and we will have a response from

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Mr. Simon Bon. Certainly um  through

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you may we have a substantive response

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um  ready to send out this week. 

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just noting obviously that um  these

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have different impacts on different

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residents and ju just to note that the

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um parking restrictions  in streets

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the permit zone parking  they are

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installed at the request of residents 

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and not instigated by council and there

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remains an option for  for streets and

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 local communities to seek those to be

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reviewed  which we have seen

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elsewhere. will provide a substandard

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response this weekend.

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Thank you, Mr. Hol.

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Right. Um we now move to

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um we now invite Analisa Curtis who is

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joining us in person to read a

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submission relation to agenda item. 2,

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the congestion levy financial year 27

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management. Analisa, over to you.

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Thank you. Good evening, councilors. Um

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my name is Anna Lee from here supported

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by my brother.  my question is my

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father has run a small business renting

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out his car park bays in the daily

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street car park. A daily street runs off

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Chapel Street  in the corner of Turf

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Road. He spent 20 years slowly building

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up his business  acquiring car park

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and bays and renting them out to

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traders, construction workers and

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residents in the area. We knew a

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congestion levy was coming and we're

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factoring that in in terms of our

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finances

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 but working on the $1,000 per bay and

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with no apparent warning to us it was

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doubled in September last year. We now

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feel that we're unpaid  tax collectors

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for the SRO  at a time when Chapel

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Street has well and truly lost its charm

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and we have record vacancies.  yet we

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are still required to pay the congestion

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levy. In my dealings with the SRO over

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the last six or months, they have

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offered very little assistance.  often

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providing me with contradictory

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information and feeding me between all

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different manners of personnel.

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Um my father died suddenly in early June

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on the 5th of June.  so we're now

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navigating this loss.  my I'm a I'm a

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family law lawyer.  so this is not my

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area of expertise at all.  we're

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trying to navigate how to continue to

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run this car parking business under the

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significant financial strains and really

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just here for some advice and wanting to

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learn. We have an upcoming OC meeting 

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for the Daily Street car park um owners

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and I'm wanting to you know use the

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information learned here tonight to to

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go and inform and also learn from them

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and see what we can do.

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Thank you Anelisa. Um, so we won't be

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pro providing a response tonight

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obviously because it's on the agenda,

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but you're welcome to stay and listen to

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the debate around that very contentious

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issue that you touched on that's

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impacted us as well as a local

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municipality and has significant impact

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to our residents um as well. So thank

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you. Right counselors, we now move to

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general business this evening and we

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move to item 8.1 which is the BK

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quarterly report 2 for 2026. It's April

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to June 2026. Um do I have a mover and a

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seconder? Councelor Chartery, do I have

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a seconder? Councelor Hopper. Councelor

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Chowdery.

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 thank you Mayor.  this is largely

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procedural um update on um the cases

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determined at VCAT. So this year in this

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quarter we've had 15 cases.  we had

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three outright wins and 10 positions of

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consent were reached. Um which generally

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considered to be positive outcomes as we

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only consent to the matters that are

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being settled. Um and there was one loss

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and one matter was withdrawn. So that's

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my summary.

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Thank you councelor Chel.

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Any other speakers to the motion before

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us?

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There being none I'll put it to the

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vote. All those in favor that motion's

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carried unanimously. Councilors we now

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move to item 8.2 the congestion levy

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financial year 27 management. Thank you.

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Um you're moving which recommend the

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officer recommendation councelor Davis.

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Um, second councelor Stefanopoulos.

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Councelor Davis. Thank you, Mayor.

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, it's up on the screen. As the

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council officers report says,

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um,

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sorry, I beg you pardon. Um, since the

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congestion levy was introduced in 2006,

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it has raised $1.5 billion for the

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Victorian state government. Now that

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it's expanded into Stonnington, South

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Yara and the City of Yaris, Richmond,

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the government expects to raise $94

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million every year.

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Wouldn't we all like to know where that

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money's gone and where the next lot will

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go? Even more, wouldn't we all like to

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know what positive impact this levy has

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had in reducing reliance on cars and

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reducing traffic? Well, we don't know

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because the government has never

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provided any evidence to support this

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policy. The only research I could find

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was an independent study from me

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university in 2012

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which found the levy quote had minimal

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effect on motors behavior despite

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providing considerable income to the

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state government unquote. According to

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Professor Graeme Curry, the findings

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suggests that the way the levy is being

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implemented by charging parking

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providers like us and you is undermining

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its stated purpose and may be limiting

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its effectiveness in changing travel

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behavior. Forgive me, Mayor, for the

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digression, but to see what is working,

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we only need to study London and New

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York's Manhattan, which directly charges

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motorists for driving in a congested

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zone, not for parking. And both cities

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researched the effectiveness.

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Council officers have prepared an

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extensive, dare I say creative report

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devising the best way to ensure council

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has more money for our own services and

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not over hand over $4 million to state

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government.

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As the council officer's report says,

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the government's stated objective is

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failing to reduce congestion locally and

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is shifting demand to lowerc cost

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parking locations, increasing traffic

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circulation and puts additional pressure

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on surrounding residential suites

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streets," unquote.  at this point I

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might mention that this afternoon 

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Charlie Pickering on 774 interviewed the

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Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Nick Reese, who

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revealed that  in you may have seen

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today there was a mention of a ballet

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parking system which they're introducing

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and  apparently  he said all their

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car parks in the City are only half

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full.

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So what is happening as a result as he

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said is they're all driving around

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increasing congestion looking for free

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off streetet parking

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and it's just exacerbating the

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situation. So while it may seem an

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anomaly to close sections of a car park

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to adhere to the government's criteria,

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the officers occupancy research

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indicates there is actually a reduced

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demand for paid parking in this area.

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The council does reserve the right to

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reopen these car car parks if it's

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deemed necessary and utilization

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increases.

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Officers are also conducting a

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feasibility study to address further

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initiative to offset the current levy

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shortfall for the next financial year.

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This study will look at possible

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conversion of these car parks or even

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selling. If it means poor $4.1 million

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of rateays money is to be handed to the

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government, we obliged to consider all

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options. So, we all know about the cost

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shifting whereby the government expects

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councils to pay for services it once

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provided. Now, we can add another phrase

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to our lexicon, daylight robbery.

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Thank you, councelor Davis. Councelor

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Stephan,

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I'll reserve my right.

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All right. Speakers to the speakers to

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the motion.

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Council

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Hilly.

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Yes. Can I please move some amendments

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 which include point  CI1

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which clarifies that vehicles can exit

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from the car park at all times. So even

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though it's from 5 to 5:00 a.m. to 9:00

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p.m. they can still exit. Um and also

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point one  point.4 yes that the four

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114 monthly permit spaces is in the Lisa

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district near the Prem market are

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delineated from the retail customer

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parking um by line marking and signage

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located um and located on other than the

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ground level so that ground level short

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stays are prioritized for retail

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customers. Um also point 11 I think it

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is. Yes. So that prior to implementation

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of the changes at Liz at Liz Elizabeth

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Street which which is again pray market

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officers convene an information session

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for pre market traders and market

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management to explain the changes

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rationale and the retail validation

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arrangements um and that transition

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timeline. Um and then 14 there which is

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to authorize the chief executive to

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undertake the EOI. Um but make sure that

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it's not the chief it's not the CEO that

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is approving the um the starting of that

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um  of that contract if it happened.

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So it has to come back to council. Um

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and then

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last one thank you um is this require

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review after 6 months. um essentially to

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look at how this is going. What I want

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to see is that this is happening the

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review happens after the Christmas

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period because I am concerned about the

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um  capaCity of the car park if we

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close the the roof. So um that's just

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looking at the monthly  permit

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retention, customer trading feedback and

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operation of the the model and then any

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other issues arising.

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All right. Um do I have a second?

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Can I just make this? , we need a

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second.

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I'll second, but could I ask that the

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points are voted on separately?

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I was just going to say, yeah, that's

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exactly how we deal with them. So, just

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thank you, councelor Hopper. So, you've

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got a second, councelor Healey. All

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right. You've moved your motion or it's

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an amendment to the substantive motion.

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So, just for members of the gallery,

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this might get a bit confusing. So, I'll

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walk you through the process. Um there's

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a number of separate amendments to the

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motion that was moved by councelor Davis

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and seconded by councelor Stefanopoulos

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 that we going to work through. So

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councelor Hilly would you like to speak

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to those then we'll put it to the vote

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and then we'll see what becomes motion.

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So essentially I just I just want to

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have a little a chance to explain a

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little bit more about what these

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amendments are because we'll have a

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chance to talk about the substantive

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major motion after if these pass

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through.

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It'll all make sense. I'll explain it

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along the way.

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It's all very confusing. council

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meetings. But so um the first one is

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just making it really clear again that

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um vehicles can still exit at all times

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particularly because we've got a large

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number of monthly car park um holders.

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So they obviously should be able to

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enter and exit um at their leisure

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because they do pay for that privilege.

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Um the we do have currently about 114

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monthly permits um which are often

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traders who are using the car park um

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and potentially other sort of local

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businesses and residents as well. Um I

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based on legal advice that I've seen um

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that councils obtain I think that it's

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quite clear that these are not retail

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spaces. So they should be delineated

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from them if we're trying to achieve

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that 50% concession which we are not

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necessarily going to achieve. So, we

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need to do everything that we can to

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make very clear our case for these are

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truly and utterly retail car parks. Um,

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these ones I see as being different and

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I think there's also something to be

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gained by ensuring that monthly car park

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holders don't park in the premium retail

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um area which is usually on the ground

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floor near the entrances um and that we

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delineate where they should be parking.

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So, that's where I'm coming through from

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that one. Um point 11 is just

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essentially I think it's essentially

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good manners. So we are making these

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huge changes to a car park that we're

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trying to argue has a retail component

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to it. That retailer is the premium

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market is the traders at the pram market

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who are needing to implement the parking

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permit validation things and everything

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and also interface with our community

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much more than we are as counselors. So

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they need to understand why are we

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making these changes, what is happening

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and and also for us to be able to hear

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their anguishes and feedback as well. So

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I think again it's just good manners

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that we would enable an information

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session and I've talked to the prime

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market management and they're very

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excited that we are looking potentially

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to do this. Um point 14 is just really

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looking at um  if we have an

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expression of interest to do the top

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four of of King Street, Elizabeth

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Street. Um to to activate it.  at the

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moment, previously it was um essentially

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under the delegation of the CEO to also

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approve that EOI. Um and I would like to

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see that come back to council. I'm not

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totally convinced that it's the right

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thing to activate the top car park at

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top of the car park because I'm

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concerned of the um potential overflow

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that could happen during key retail

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periods. Um and also because we're

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seeing an increase in patronage of the

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pram car park. So um or of the pram

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market. So um I think it's important

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that we we provide some flexibility in

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that more of a Elizabeth Street than

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King Street um scenario. And lastly, I

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just think it makes sense to have a

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review of how these changes have gone

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and if we have any more sort of

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learnings that we can make to tweak the

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process going forward.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Council Hilly. Councelor

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um Council Hopper is the second.

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Thank you. Um so just to add to what

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councelor Healey has said and I support

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um really um almost entirely everything

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that she said um with regard to the

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second amendment that she's making and

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um delineating the monthly permit

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spaces. It's important  for audiences

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to understand that monthly permit

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holders who use these car parks don't

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necessarily have a connection to the

00:22:49.120 --> 00:22:52.120
market or Chaffer Street's retail uses.

00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.696
Um many of the users of the monthly

00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.576
permit spaces um may work at surrounding

00:22:57.600 --> 00:23:00.296
retail businesses or may own um

00:23:00.320 --> 00:23:02.056
surrounding businesses but many do not.

00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:04.616
U many of the monthly permit holders are

00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.176
residents in the local area um who don't

00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.135
have their own car parking. Um moving

00:23:10.159 --> 00:23:13.159
those spaces up a story frees up the

00:23:13.360 --> 00:23:15.736
spaces closer to the market for retail

00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:18.760
users and is also closer to what the

00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.039
SRO's expectations of us are. um with

00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.535
regard to retail car parking spaces and

00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.256
the discount of 50% that we are seeking.

00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:29.816
Um so I think that's a logical step. An

00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:32.135
information session for traders is such

00:23:32.159 --> 00:23:35.159
a small ask. I don't think that this um

00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.296
is really worth debating to be honest.

00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:40.135
It would go a long way in ensuring that

00:23:40.159 --> 00:23:42.296
the traders feel heard and seen by

00:23:42.320 --> 00:23:45.256
council. Um we have introduced a number

00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:48.216
of changes to parking fees  and

00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.056
parking structures at the Elizabeth

00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:52.616
Street car park which after all we are

00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.640
arguing here primarily serves the market

00:23:55.679 --> 00:23:58.679
and so involving um the storeh holders

00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:00.616
of the market just seems like an obvious

00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.256
and worthwhile thing to do. Um I don't

00:24:03.280 --> 00:24:05.655
support an activation of the top floor

00:24:05.679 --> 00:24:08.056
of either car park at this time. Um

00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:09.496
which is why I've asked for these items

00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:11.736
to be voted on separately. I think this

00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:13.976
is something that we might consider in

00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.456
the future. Um but at the moment we are

00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.480
already introducing significant changes.

00:24:19.760 --> 00:24:21.576
Um things that you know are asking

00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:23.015
people to use our car parking

00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:24.936
differently, reducing the spaces that

00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.960
are available to users. And I think that

00:24:28.159 --> 00:24:30.535
immediately committing ourselves to a

00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.559
potential 5-year lease um of that space

00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.616
is essentially saying this conversation

00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.336
is done and dusted for the next 5 years.

00:24:39.360 --> 00:24:41.496
I don't think we're there yet. Um, and I

00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:42.775
think that's why the point that

00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.336
councelor Healey has inserted around a

00:24:45.360 --> 00:24:47.416
six-month review and it coming back to

00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:49.816
council is so valuable because I think,

00:24:49.840 --> 00:24:51.176
you know, we might get to the summer

00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.176
period around Christmas when the market

00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:55.576
is really thriving and Chapel Street's

00:24:55.600 --> 00:24:57.976
hopefully going gang busters and realize

00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.535
that we want to review the decision to

00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.496
close the top story um of the car park.

00:25:03.520 --> 00:25:06.056
in which case having leased off for 5

00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:08.856
years will shut off our options in that

00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.816
regard. Um and so at this point in time

00:25:11.840 --> 00:25:14.456
I don't think it's the right move to

00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.456
enter into a lease. I think we need to

00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.616
hold off um for a little bit before we

00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:20.696
consider an option like that. And so

00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:22.376
after we've debated this series of

00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.296
amendments, I'm then going to move my

00:25:24.320 --> 00:25:27.320
own amendment  which removes the um

00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:29.336
which removes the expression of interest

00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:31.736
on leasing out the top floor of the car

00:25:31.760 --> 00:25:33.655
parks. So yeah. All right. Thank you,

00:25:33.679 --> 00:25:35.576
Council Hubba. Councelor Karus,

00:25:35.600 --> 00:25:38.600
I have a question in relation to C4

00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.336
delineating the spaces. Um, and I don't

00:25:43.360 --> 00:25:44.856
know if officers can answer this because

00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.880
it's an alternative, but um, how how

00:25:49.360 --> 00:25:52.360
would we enforce that? Because I and so

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.056
I have to give a bit of a preamble to

00:25:54.080 --> 00:25:56.456
the question. My concern is if you mark

00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.480
the bays out on a higher level, how

00:25:59.919 --> 00:26:02.296
people these permit holders just might

00:26:02.320 --> 00:26:04.376
go, I can't be bothered driving up and

00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.296
they'll just take the general spaces. So

00:26:06.320 --> 00:26:07.736
then they're taking general spaces and

00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:09.096
then there's marked spaces that are

00:26:09.120 --> 00:26:11.416
sitting empty. So my concern is how do

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:13.336
you act do we have the means to enforce

00:26:13.360 --> 00:26:16.360
that if this was successful

00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.039
through you may um the the concept of

00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.799
nesting monthly   passes within the

00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:27.559
overall car park requires some um

00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.176
further detailed examination of exactly

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.655
how that would happen. The enforcement

00:26:33.679 --> 00:26:36.679
matter is an issue.  it is done in

00:26:37.520 --> 00:26:39.576
other car parks in multiple ways. Some

00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:41.976
is through physical infrastructure. So

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.456
where they  where they are parking

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.696
behind a boom gate for example or behind

00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.720
a gate  camera technology vehicle

00:26:50.159 --> 00:26:53.015
number plate recognition can be used. 

00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.039
if a monthly permit holder parked in the

00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.480
general parking area, there is potential

00:26:59.679 --> 00:27:02.135
through use of cameras that they could

00:27:02.159 --> 00:27:04.535
be effectively charged the equivalent

00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.856
casual day rate. But

00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.696
do we have that infrastructure currently

00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.255
or would we have to install some sort of

00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:11.816
system?

00:27:11.840 --> 00:27:14.616
We we we would need to review the

00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.015
infrastructure that we do have. My

00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.936
understanding is that it is not ready

00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.895
and set to go for that configuration

00:27:21.919 --> 00:27:22.936
right now.

00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.576
And my second or third question in

00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:28.600
relation to 15, it just is 6 months long

00:27:29.600 --> 00:27:31.736
enough just noting that commuter

00:27:31.760 --> 00:27:34.760
behavior can take a while to change. Are

00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:35.096
we

00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:37.895
6 months?

00:27:37.919 --> 00:27:40.135
Is our officers comfortable that 6

00:27:40.159 --> 00:27:42.616
months which would just take us quite

00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.616
shortly after the Christmas New Year

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.640
periodish um is that long enough to

00:27:48.159 --> 00:27:51.159
measure the outcomes

00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:55.080
um through you may it 6 months does

00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.200
provide us with a broad snapshot. It is

00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.176
worth noting that our multi-dead car

00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.176
parks in the Chapel Street precinct,

00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.895
particularly Elizabeth Street car park

00:28:05.919 --> 00:28:08.375
does have a high level of seasonality.

00:28:08.399 --> 00:28:11.399
So we do see excuse me increased demand

00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.296
prior to Christmas but then we equally

00:28:14.320 --> 00:28:17.320
see a significant drop over  January,

00:28:18.159 --> 00:28:21.159
early February. So  the longer the

00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.816
better  to give us that true picture

00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:26.840
of  patent but we can compare to

00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:30.840
previous years for any length of time.

00:28:31.360 --> 00:28:33.096
Thank you. Um and just very briefly

00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:34.616
Mayor to to the amendment. I'm

00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.255
supportive of parts of it as well. Um

00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:38.936
probably not the delineation of the

00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:40.696
spaces because I don't think we've got

00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.936
budget or really a plan and I don't want

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.096
to block spaces out just for these

00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:46.936
permit holders to then use the general

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.496
spaces. So, I'm not confident on that.

00:28:49.520 --> 00:28:51.496
No issue with holding information

00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:53.816
session  in relation to Elizabeth

00:28:53.840 --> 00:28:56.840
Street. Um and  supportive of the

00:28:57.679 --> 00:29:00.679
six-month review as well. 14 regarding

00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.200
the EOI um I'm undecided, but I'm

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.375
probably not supportive of that at the

00:29:06.399 --> 00:29:09.399
time. And CI1 um I have no issues with

00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:11.096
as well. And my understanding is that

00:29:11.120 --> 00:29:12.616
the vehicles will be able to exit at any

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.135
time anyway. But I guess this just makes

00:29:14.159 --> 00:29:16.936
that a bit more black and white.

00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.856
All right. Thank you, council. Other

00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.880
speakers to the amendment before us.

00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:25.816
Question.

00:29:25.840 --> 00:29:27.176
Yeah. And you can speak to it because

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.416
you it's the amendment. I know you've

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.015
spoken to motion.

00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.039
Um I in speaking to it, I don't really

00:29:34.159 --> 00:29:36.616
approve of rewriting um officers reports

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.015
at the 11th hour. I'll state that from

00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.039
the outset.  and um I'm just curious

00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.296
 to have a better understanding of

00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:47.320
what the  rationale is behind the um

00:29:47.760 --> 00:29:50.760
activation um area that's was mentioned

00:29:52.159 --> 00:29:54.696
if perhaps you could elaborate more on

00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.535
what the

00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.559
proposal how it came about what you see

00:29:59.760 --> 00:30:02.760
occur

00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.216
to see

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.775
just had some interest

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.096
coming to the street that street at the

00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:14.120
moment um in relation to an activation.

00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:16.375
Um there's also been some interest from

00:30:16.399 --> 00:30:19.399
the market itself um in running um some

00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.015
Sunday markets um on the upper level of

00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.736
the car park. So at this stage we were

00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:28.616
just looking for an AOI to understand

00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.640
what the market um would put forward in

00:30:32.159 --> 00:30:35.159
relation to activation. um activation on

00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:38.696
the upper level would also support um

00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.255
visitation at the market itself.

00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.976
Thank you, Mr. Lachi.  so when you

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.576
said you've had other inquiries aside

00:30:45.600 --> 00:30:47.336
from the market, have you had other

00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:48.616
inquiries from other people?

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.296
We have. And what sort of activation?

00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:52.775
 so we've had um an activation in

00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.799
relation to colo paddle. Um so um that

00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.775
would be an initiative that's a new

00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.799
idea.

00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.936
But again, it would need to go through

00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.960
um a approval process to ensure we've

00:31:08.320 --> 00:31:10.616
actually put something like that type of

00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.135
activation on there.

00:31:12.159 --> 00:31:14.135
Thank you, Mr. Lanchi. I might just ask

00:31:14.159 --> 00:31:17.159
the CEO on the same um paragraph

00:31:18.080 --> 00:31:21.080
um  changing the um wording to suggest

00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.696
that this must come back to council. I

00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.775
just wanted clarification from the CEO

00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.696
as to whether this would interfere with

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.296
operational procedures and is it

00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:31.416
appropriate for something like this to

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.255
come back to council.

00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.135
You mean in terms terms of the the

00:31:36.159 --> 00:31:37.976
outcome of an process?

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.976
Yeah, totally appropriate. I don't have

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:40.456
a problem with that.

00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:41.495
You don't have a problem. Okay.

00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.936
Um and in any event, if the

00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.495
recommendation as proposed by officers

00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.576
were to be endorsed, I think in

00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:49.015
practical things that would happen.

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:50.216
Okay. So,

00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.015
thank you for that.

00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.296
So it was in reference so I was just

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:56.216
confirming to the EOI not the um six

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.296
months of operations.

00:31:58.320 --> 00:32:00.856
Okay. Just to be sure. Thank you

00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.696
councelor Davis. Other speakers to the

00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:05.720
motion the amendment before us.

00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:08.456
Councelor Healey did you wish to respond

00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.056
and then we'll go through each of the

00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.736
items to vote on?

00:32:11.760 --> 00:32:14.760
Yeah. Um thank you. 

00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:18.535
I um have been given feed giving

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.936
feedback to officers and councils for

00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.936
since we first were given this. So I

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:23.895
don't think it's something that came at

00:32:23.919 --> 00:32:26.919
the 11th hour. Um and I sent quite a

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.960
detailed um amendment through to

00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:32.856
councils and officers I think on Friday.

00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.535
Um and then I've had quite a lot of

00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.375
feedback from officers as well as to

00:32:36.399 --> 00:32:38.616
which parts seemed reasonable and and

00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.936
weren't. So it is something that's sort

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.816
of nuanced through. Um so I think there

00:32:43.840 --> 00:32:46.135
has been a lot of forewarning. Thank you

00:32:46.159 --> 00:32:49.159
um councelor Davis. Um but otherwise you

00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.856
know I think there's been some good

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.880
points raised. Um as far as AOI the even

00:32:56.080 --> 00:32:58.616
though the co saying that of due course

00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:00.535
that you would bring it back to council

00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.216
the recommendation that was written in

00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.296
the office report didn't require that.

00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:06.135
So I think if it's your intent then we

00:33:06.159 --> 00:33:09.015
should have it written in here. Um, and

00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:10.456
I don't see it as being particularly

00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.775
unusual in scenarios where we've got

00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.576
retail um, and potentially even

00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:17.336
residential interfaces working together

00:33:17.360 --> 00:33:18.775
that there are different ways of

00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.176
separating um, different kinds of path

00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:22.856
users. We see it vogue center for

00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.880
instance. It's very common. Um, so I I

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.255
don't think it's something that we can

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.736
say couldn't happen. Um, but I respect

00:33:29.760 --> 00:33:31.176
that others have a different perspective

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.200
on that. Thank you.

00:33:34.320 --> 00:33:37.015
All right. So I'm now going to put the

00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.039
amendments um in parts. So we'll start

00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.216
with

00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.240
um is it 7

00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:47.015
C

00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.039
and that is the change to 7 C I1.

00:33:51.600 --> 00:33:54.600
 all those in favor for to incorporate

00:33:56.159 --> 00:33:57.736
that amendment into the substantive

00:33:57.760 --> 00:33:59.816
motion. I'll note that's carried

00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:02.840
unanimously. Then if we scroll down to

00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.480
 I think that's 7 C4.

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.855
This is the 114 perish spaces. All those

00:34:10.879 --> 00:34:13.879
in favor of this amendment.

00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.159
All those against

00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.216
that. So that amendment is lost. So I'll

00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:21.736
just call out the name. So all those in

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.055
favor. So we have councelor Chery,

00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:25.335
councelor Bell, councelor Hopper,

00:34:25.359 --> 00:34:26.776
councelor Healey. All those against

00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.800
council correspond

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.216
is not part substantive motion. We now

00:34:36.240 --> 00:34:39.240
move to the next one. So that's 11.

00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:44.520
So all those in favor.

00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.095
All those against council bell.

00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:51.095
Yeah. Sorry.

00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:51.416
This is

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:52.936
the

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.736
let the traders know. So all those all

00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.055
those in favor

00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.136
all those against. So that's carried but

00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:01.656
because it was unanimous. All those in

00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:03.656
favor it's council hump council chy

00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:05.496
councelor bell is going to put his hand

00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:08.520
up councel council hyer council councel

00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:12.696
council. All those against councelor

00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:14.776
Stefanopoulos. So that amendment is

00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.376
carried into substantia motion and the

00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.696
next one is 14. This is expression of

00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:21.720
interest. All those in favor.

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.400
All those against. So that motion is

00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:30.536
lost. Oh, sorry. It's carried. Sorry.

00:35:30.560 --> 00:35:32.376
So, um, all those in favor, councelor

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.936
Humphre, councelor Chery, councelor

00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.176
Bell, councelor Davis, councelor Healey,

00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:38.856
and all those against, councelor

00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.536
Stefanopoulos, councelor Casares,

00:35:40.560 --> 00:35:43.560
councelor Hopper, councel. Um, so that

00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.896
is carried and incorporated into

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.920
standing motion. And is there another

00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.136
one? Thank you. And then 15. So all

00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:55.160
those in favor

00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:57.496
and that's carried unanimously. I'm sure

00:35:57.520 --> 00:36:00.520
everyone's name. All right. So can I ask

00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:03.095
that we just pause for a moment to allow

00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.119
officers to make it black and delete

00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:07.896
just because it's going to get very

00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.376
confusing.

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:09.815
I was just going to say can we just

00:36:09.839 --> 00:36:11.656
confirm? So I'll ask the officers to

00:36:11.680 --> 00:36:14.216
update that. So councilors are happy.

00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:16.456
We'll just adjourn them for a couple of

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.856
minutes to allow that to occur.

00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.176
Well, madame Mayor, in the interim, I

00:36:21.200 --> 00:36:23.736
had a question of governance. So, that

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.416
while they're doing that, um, so my

00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.376
question of governance is, um, I had

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.696
planned to raise an amendment to strike

00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:33.720
two points from the resolution. Um, but

00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.376
now I'm wondering whether just voting

00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.335
down those two points

00:36:39.359 --> 00:36:42.359
might be easier. Um, so if I don't want

00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:47.160
two points in the resolution, um, should

00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.776
would governance recommend that I put

00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:52.456
that as an amendment to remove those two

00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.376
points? Um, or would governance

00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.696
recommend that I simply argue that they

00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:57.976
be voted down?

00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.376
So through it would be

00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.656
by splitting the motion.

00:37:01.680 --> 00:37:03.496
Well, splitting the motion is one way to

00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:05.416
do it. Um, I guess we could pull out

00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.176
those individual items is one way to do

00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:09.256
it. However, if there's a particular

00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:10.616
item that you think should be removed,

00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:12.055
then I guess the case is to be made to

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.616
your fellow councils as

00:37:14.640 --> 00:37:16.696
I'd move it as an amendment. Is there a

00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:17.575
second?

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.176
I will just point out that um council

00:37:19.200 --> 00:37:21.575
Hopper seconded the um council's

00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.335
amendments. I can't move.

00:37:23.359 --> 00:37:25.335
So, you need someone else to just

00:37:25.359 --> 00:37:28.359
Oh, no. Sorry. Yes, you can.

00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:31.496
Okay. I I will speak to them in my

00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:33.176
response to the substantive motion and

00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.335
then I'll ask to split those items.

00:37:35.359 --> 00:37:36.216
Thank you.

00:37:36.240 --> 00:37:39.240
All right. Okay. Um, councelor Humphre.

00:37:39.839 --> 00:37:40.696
Thanks, Mayor.

00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:42.616
So, just being with you to substanding

00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:44.376
motion that's now been amended.

00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.376
Well, I was going to make an amendment.

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:47.896
, what amendment is that?

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.376
The circulated

00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.616


00:37:52.640 --> 00:37:55.640
to make the car park.

00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.656
Can council please read it out?

00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:04.680
, sure.

00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:07.720
Um it was largely amending eight.

00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.376
Do you want me to read that or it's on

00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.216
the screen?

00:38:18.240 --> 00:38:21.240
I think the government's requires

00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.616
 changes 8 to four the following

00:38:24.640 --> 00:38:26.055
changes in relation to Elizabeth Street

00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.376
car park removing parking fees and

00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.616
restrict parking for maximum of 2 hours

00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:33.256
by camera enforcement which will result

00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.976
in an annual  financial surplus for

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.000
car park of $.12 million and a net

00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:40.616
revenue loss against the current

00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:43.575
operating model of.51.

00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:45.656
Further, it assumes that 50% of car park

00:38:45.680 --> 00:38:47.736
square up to transfer to Elizabeth

00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.760
Street with a net loss of $360,000.

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.936
Further assumes 50% of the monthly park

00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.335
is transferred monthly from Cran Square

00:38:57.359 --> 00:39:00.359
with a net revenue loss of $300,000.

00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.696
Further, it assumes that manual

00:39:02.720 --> 00:39:04.696
enforcement will be required to manage

00:39:04.720 --> 00:39:06.216
disabled parking permits, which would

00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:09.176
cost $50,000. Net forecast annualized

00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:11.575
impact of that

00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:13.976
is $1.22 $22 million compared to the

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.000
budget. Then in there is any net loss

00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:19.095
will be made up from cash this financial

00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.896
year and any net loss in financial year

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.296
28 will be part of the budget process.

00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.376
Then to nine, it has endorsed the

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.976
following changes to King Street car

00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.136
park which is removed park fees and

00:39:30.160 --> 00:39:32.536
restrict parking to a maximum of two

00:39:32.560 --> 00:39:34.456
hours by camera enforcement which will

00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.335
result in an annual financial loss for

00:39:37.359 --> 00:39:40.359
the car park of $170,000 and net revenue

00:39:40.560 --> 00:39:43.560
loss of $290,000.

00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.976
The forecast annualized impact of the

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.815
changes is a net revenue loss of

00:39:47.839 --> 00:39:50.839
$290,000 compared to the FY27 budget.

00:39:51.520 --> 00:39:53.416
Any loss will be made up from the

00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.736
financial 27 cash balance and then any

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.575
net loss will be made up as part of the

00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.599
financial year 28 budget process.

00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:04.536
Should work as a resource.

00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:05.976
Thank you councelor Humphre. Councelor

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.055
Humphre um under the governance rule I'm

00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.376
not accepting that as an amendment. I'll

00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.400
read you  rule 28.3 amend an amendment

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.136
must not be directly opposite to the

00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:18.296
motion. what you're proposing

00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.216
contradicts the balance of the motion

00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:23.240
above  which is talking about um

00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.856
revenue and annualized impact and so

00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.880
forth. It's not in line

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.055
27 management. This is

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.896
Council Humphre I've made a ruling.

00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.736
Please respect my ruling. Council

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.656
Humphre, please sit down. I've made a

00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:39.016
decision.

00:40:39.040 --> 00:40:41.176
I've made a decision. I've just referred

00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:42.936
Councelor Humphre please don't answer

00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.656
back. Sit down. I've made a ruling and

00:40:45.680 --> 00:40:47.176
I've referred to the governance rules.

00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:48.616
I've explained to you the amendment and

00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:50.536
it must not be directly opposite to the

00:40:50.560 --> 00:40:51.896
motion and that is what you're

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.296
proposing. You are most welcome to put

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.295
your motion up if the substantive motion

00:40:56.319 --> 00:40:58.856
is lost. You can foreshadow this is an

00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:00.776
entire motion of what you've proposed.

00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.016
You can foreshadow that. Councils have a

00:41:03.040 --> 00:41:04.536
copy of it. If they're in agreement to

00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:06.295
it, then they can vote.

00:41:06.319 --> 00:41:08.696
Councelor Humphre,

00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:11.095
please respect my ruling and don't speak

00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.095
over me while I'm chairing this meeting.

00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.736
Thank you. So councilors, we now move

00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.456
back to you can speak to the substantive

00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.936
motion. Um but your amendment is not

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.696
accepted as an amendment. So speaking to

00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:23.736
the substantive motion.

00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.136
Sure.

00:41:24.160 --> 00:41:26.456
Okay. Over to you.

00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.335
Um I don't think councelor Davis is

00:41:29.359 --> 00:41:32.295
going to thank me for this, but

00:41:32.319 --> 00:41:33.976
I'd like to thank councelor Davis for

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.936
the points that she made regarding the

00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.335
City of Melbourne. And what they have

00:41:39.359 --> 00:41:41.496
found is all of their car parks are half

00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:42.856
empty.

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.696
While that might sound like yes, that's

00:41:44.720 --> 00:41:46.936
great. Congestion's going down. What it

00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.656
is is the death of a retail precinct.

00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:51.575
But for us, that is a massive, massive

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.976
opportunity for our traders on Chapel

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.815
Street. There are shoppers looking for a

00:41:55.839 --> 00:41:58.055
new home to go to, and that home should

00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.295
be Chapel Street. We could have a

00:42:00.319 --> 00:42:02.776
massive thriving precinct with free

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.176
parking in the multi-dead car park. It

00:42:05.200 --> 00:42:08.055
would literally

00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.295
be putting out a giant welcome we're

00:42:10.319 --> 00:42:13.176
open, not hanging up a big giant close

00:42:13.200 --> 00:42:16.200
sign on Chapel Street. Sadly, people are

00:42:16.319 --> 00:42:17.896
only going to hear that the car parks

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:19.496
are getting shut. That's the message

00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:20.696
that everyone's going to hear loud and

00:42:20.720 --> 00:42:22.936
clear. Chap Street traders are already

00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.456
doing it tough and everyone's doing it

00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.480
tough. The amendment

00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.976
that was struck down would have made car

00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.616
parking free. It would have welcomed far

00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:34.536
and wide. It would have made Stonnington

00:42:34.560 --> 00:42:37.095
the go-to destination and Chapel Street

00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.575
the go-to destination for shopping for

00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.136
everyone. That would have not only

00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:44.856
rejuvenated the precinct, it would have

00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.335
brought in new people to our City. It

00:42:47.359 --> 00:42:48.856
would have brought in shoppers from far

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.656
and wide. This imagination would have

00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:54.536
driven up our rates revenue. The shops

00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:56.295
would become heaps more valuable on

00:42:56.319 --> 00:42:58.376
Chapel Street if they had abundant

00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.616
shoppers going down the street. This

00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:02.216
magic pudding that we're going to hope

00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:04.055
that Chapel Street suddenly bursts back

00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.456
into life while constraining it is

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.216
preposterous. Madame May, point of

00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:09.496
order.

00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:12.520
Sit down. Council Harris here.

00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.216
The the council is making commentary

00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:19.240
that is as far as I'm aware  55.1.4

00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.216
debate is irrelevant to the matter under

00:43:22.240 --> 00:43:25.095
consideration. discussing items

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.896
discussing the retail lifeblood of

00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:29.335
Chapel Street is irrelevant to the

00:43:29.359 --> 00:43:30.696
Elizabeth Street car park when we're

00:43:30.720 --> 00:43:32.295
talking about

00:43:32.319 --> 00:43:35.256
Can I please

00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:35.815
Thank you.

00:43:35.839 --> 00:43:37.815
We were talking about how we were we are

00:43:37.839 --> 00:43:39.575
going to manage our own car park

00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.736
bringing items that are utterly

00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.456
irrelevant in terms of retail activity

00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.376
holding up signs that things are open or

00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.456
closed is comical and really irrelevant

00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.055
to the debate as a man.

00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.136
 thank you councelor Stefanopoulos.

00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:53.815
I'll agree and uphold the point of

00:43:53.839 --> 00:43:55.416
order. So, council and our humpers, can

00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.335
you please stick to the matters before

00:43:57.359 --> 00:43:58.936
us, which is a substantive motion with

00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.616
the amendments that are included which

00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:02.936
relates to the congestion levy and the

00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:03.896
use of the car park.

00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.456
Can I call a point of order, madam may

00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.616
um 55.1.2,

00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:11.640
a question of procedure. Um, rule 70 of

00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.575
the governance rules says that people

00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.736
cannot display plaqueards or posters in

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.376
the council chamber. We apply that rule

00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:20.376
to the gallery. I would assume it

00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.216
applies to councilors as well. So my

00:44:22.240 --> 00:44:23.575
point of order is that he shouldn't be

00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.095
doing that and should refrain from doing

00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.856
that for the rest of the debate or in

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:27.656
any debate.

00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:29.016
Thank you councelor Kazar. That's

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:30.616
correct. Councelor Humphre. I'll let you

00:44:30.640 --> 00:44:31.736
get away with it. Please don't hold.

00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.176
Would you like me to surrender it or

00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:35.016
No. No. No.

00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:35.976
Well, if we're talking about the

00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.656
congestion levy then I mean we've got a

00:44:37.680 --> 00:44:39.416
$4 million candidate sitting at this

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.736
table for the congestion levy.

00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.295
This has been impostered on us and is

00:44:44.319 --> 00:44:45.896
something our entire City now has to

00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.696
deal with is this $4.1 million from the

00:44:48.720 --> 00:44:50.616
Labour state government. This state

00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:53.496
government has choked out Chapel Street

00:44:53.520 --> 00:44:55.575
with this congestion levy and we're now

00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.575
having to shut car parks as a result of

00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.376
it as proposed by this amendment as

00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.936
opposed to the substantial. That is a

00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.960
terrible outcome for our traders and for

00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.055
our rate payers in their area. It would

00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:09.496
bring it back to life and able to bring

00:45:09.520 --> 00:45:11.095
more people into the precinct with free

00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.256
park which is an alternative way of

00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.896
looking at how we skin the same cat of

00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.976
not having to pay

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.055
this chaotic state government four extra

00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.136
million. I think our residents would be

00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:24.616
very happy if we didn't have to pay them

00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:26.776
four extra million.

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.095
Thank you councelor Humphre. Other

00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.335
speakers to the substantive motion just

00:45:31.359 --> 00:45:32.936
noting that councelor Hillary you

00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:35.016
haven't spoken council Hopper councelor

00:45:35.040 --> 00:45:38.040
Cosaris councelor Davis councelor Chowy

00:45:38.319 --> 00:45:39.815
councelor Bell and you've reserved your

00:45:39.839 --> 00:45:42.216
right council Stefanopoulos

00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:43.016
council

00:45:43.040 --> 00:45:44.376
I'll be very brief madame Mayor it's

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:45.815
already a long and confusing enough

00:45:45.839 --> 00:45:48.136
debate as it is um I'm not in favor of

00:45:48.160 --> 00:45:50.216
the congestion levy um don't know what

00:45:50.240 --> 00:45:52.376
the insinuation is from from my

00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:54.456
colleague sitting opposite me there um I

00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.216
don't like this more than anybody else

00:45:56.240 --> 00:45:58.696
we have no choice in the matter Um, I

00:45:58.720 --> 00:46:00.936
think what we're proposing is is really

00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.016
in essence a trial. We're looking to see

00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:04.856
how this goes. We don't know. This is

00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.256
uncharted territory. We're responding to

00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:08.616
what the state government is putting

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:10.856
onto us, which, as I've just said, I

00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.496
don't agree with. Um, but we're doing

00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:15.815
our very best to keep our car parks open

00:46:15.839 --> 00:46:17.656
and keep providing spaces to our

00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:19.896
residents whilst shutting off spaces

00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.976
that are not currently used. These these

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.000
car parks are not full. Um, so I don't

00:46:25.200 --> 00:46:27.256
suspect there to be a significant

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.256
detriment to our community, but if over

00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.496
the six months we find that it didn't go

00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:33.656
the way we thought, we will revisit it

00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:35.575
as part of the review, which is outlined

00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.815
in the recommendation, and we'll adjust

00:46:37.839 --> 00:46:40.055
it accordingly if we have to. I hope the

00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.776
state government reverses this. Um, I I

00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.776
just don't believe in what it's trying

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.095
to achieve at all, but as long as it's

00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:48.856
in place and we have no choice in the

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.776
matter, we'll continue to respond to it

00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.800
in a responsible way. um and do what we

00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.856
think is best for our community and for

00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.295
our precincts.

00:46:58.319 --> 00:47:00.456
Thank you, Council Pis. Councelor J.

00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:01.496
Thanks, Mayor. I just wanted to

00:47:01.520 --> 00:47:04.216
reiterate and also agree with um my

00:47:04.240 --> 00:47:07.240
colleagues as well that um this levy is

00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.696
um a state government tax and we do not

00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:12.295
actually have the legislative power to

00:47:12.319 --> 00:47:14.696
abolish it, exempt properties from it.

00:47:14.720 --> 00:47:16.136
And what we're doing with tonight's

00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:18.055
motion is trying to do is it's a

00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:20.456
practical consequence of that decision.

00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.335
And no, no, none of us like it. And

00:47:23.359 --> 00:47:26.216
we're now um faced with Stonnington

00:47:26.240 --> 00:47:28.776
actually has a high number of off-

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.256
streetet car parks. So we're hit with it

00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:32.776
substantially more than any other

00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.800
municipality. Um, so we have to take

00:47:35.839 --> 00:47:37.896
action to absorb like to figure out how

00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.295
we are going to absorb this ongoing cost

00:47:40.319 --> 00:47:42.936
and that and we're trying not to make

00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.696
all that cost fall back on our rate

00:47:44.720 --> 00:47:46.696
payers and reduce funding available to

00:47:46.720 --> 00:47:49.016
other services that our community relies

00:47:49.040 --> 00:47:51.896
on like parks and upgrading local roads

00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.456
and foot parks, supporting libraries and

00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.856
investing in our public spaces. So I

00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.456
don't think it's responsible to ask

00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.776
every rateayer to subsidize the state

00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.095
government tax. But what we're trying to

00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.256
do with this report is close a number of

00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.656
small a small number of lower

00:48:07.680 --> 00:48:09.416
utilization parking areas and

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.575
rationalizing our parking assets which

00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:14.599
we were doing anyway in our strategic

00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:17.416
work. Um we we found out that the King

00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:18.856
Street and Elizabeth Street car parks

00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:20.536
are not utilized to their full

00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:23.095
potential. So therefore this decision

00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:24.696
even though it might not be popular with

00:48:24.720 --> 00:48:26.776
traders and customers, we know that

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:28.856
they'll still be able to park that they

00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.696
will be able to park. there is plenty of

00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:33.176
parking in the precinct. Um, and so what

00:48:33.200 --> 00:48:34.616
we're doing is trying to reduce our

00:48:34.640 --> 00:48:36.456
financial exposure and ensure we're

00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.335
managing our budgets responsibly. So I

00:48:39.359 --> 00:48:40.776
just want to reiterate, it's not about

00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.696
reducing access to our retail centers

00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:44.776
and activity centers. It's about making

00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.256
sure that our parking we provide is

00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.335
financially sustainable and focused

00:48:49.359 --> 00:48:51.016
where it delivers the greatest benefits

00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:53.335
to our residents and our traders and our

00:48:53.359 --> 00:48:55.736
visitors. Um, and of course, yes, we are

00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.575
open to feedback. And I like that we've

00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.216
been able to put in a six-month review.

00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:01.896
I like that we could, you know, tinker

00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.376
with things um because we just don't

00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.535
know with so many changes that we're

00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.559
doing in in in consecutive um ways um

00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.176
with parking.  there might be some

00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:15.416
movement required and we're open for

00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.440
feedback. So, um yeah, that that's all I

00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:19.575
wanted to.

00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:21.736
Thank you, Council Ch. Other speakers to

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.295
the motion. council.

00:49:24.319 --> 00:49:25.736
Well, first of all, I have to say that

00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.456
it's very ironic to hear people talking

00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.335
about the potential rumination of the

00:49:31.359 --> 00:49:34.055
pram market in Chapel Street mere weeks

00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.856
after proposing drastic cuts to

00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.575
council's funding to the pan market.

00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.216
Cuts to Chapel Off Chapel, which is a

00:49:42.240 --> 00:49:44.776
major destination in the precinct, 

00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.176
attracts people from all over Victoria,

00:49:47.200 --> 00:49:50.055
including in their cars.  cuts to

00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.936
Grareville Street precinct um which is

00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.416
one of the most significant um shopping

00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.440
areas in Melbourne um alongside Chapel

00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:00.616
Street and all of those cuts would have

00:50:00.640 --> 00:50:03.640
done damage  to business visitation 

00:50:03.839 --> 00:50:06.696
in the Chapel Street area. So to hear

00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:09.095
people now, you know, raising those

00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.119
concerns um after voting for cuts to

00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:14.936
this precinct and cuts to the market

00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:17.496
only a few weeks back um is highly

00:50:17.520 --> 00:50:19.656
ironic. What I would say is that this

00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:22.680
report highlights um that the Elizabeth

00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.376
Street car park and King Street car park

00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.400
currently have average occupancies of 34

00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.440
34% in Elizabeth Street and 31% in King

00:50:33.200 --> 00:50:36.200
Street Car Park. Um and so it is a

00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:39.656
reality. You go into a mark the market

00:50:39.680 --> 00:50:42.216
on the weekend it is absolutely thriving

00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:44.216
at the moment. There are people from go

00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.295
to wo they are lining up for all of the

00:50:46.319 --> 00:50:48.055
fantastic businesses in the market.

00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.456
They're lining up for maker and manga

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.480
kila baker um fat lobster majus dips.

00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.055
Like people absolutely love to visit

00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.776
these places. They come from piran and

00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.256
locally they come from all over to visit

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.696
these businesses. They come for the

00:51:02.720 --> 00:51:05.720
events. it's thriving and maybe they're

00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.535
not coming by car. Um they're coming on

00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.456
foot, they're coming by tram, they're

00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.216
coming by train. There are lots of ways

00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:14.456
that they can get there. And so what we

00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.055
are seeing at the moment is that the

00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.656
number of spaces that we have

00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:19.815
accommodating Elizabeth Street and King

00:51:19.839 --> 00:51:21.976
Street as well as the broader Chapel

00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.696
Street precinct is more spaces than we

00:51:24.720 --> 00:51:27.256
actually need right now. Um so we are

00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.896
proposing to close the top levels of

00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.920
those car parks um and circle back in 6

00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.136
months time to see whether that has

00:51:36.160 --> 00:51:39.095
worked um or whether that has been a bad

00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.496
idea. Um so people who are sort of

00:51:41.520 --> 00:51:43.335
saying on social media and other

00:51:43.359 --> 00:51:46.359
platforms that this you know represents

00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.400
a rash cut to car parking spaces it is

00:51:49.680 --> 00:51:51.896
entirely considered  and it is

00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.920
responsive and respectful of the number

00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.176
of utilization of those car parking

00:51:57.200 --> 00:51:59.815
spaces. I do want to say when we vote on

00:51:59.839 --> 00:52:02.839
this item um I will be separating out I

00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:04.856
would like to request that we separate

00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.880
out 2 and4.

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.896
Um I've already expressed why I'm not

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.920
supporting point4 with regard to point

00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:15.976
2. Um I accept the point that is trying

00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.055
to be made here. Um and there are

00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.136
various points made in this motion about

00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:22.295
our concerns with the congestion levy as

00:52:22.319 --> 00:52:24.295
a council. However, the points that are

00:52:24.319 --> 00:52:27.095
made in point 2, it is too early  to

00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.496
substantiate those. There is no data

00:52:29.520 --> 00:52:31.656
presented in the report  that

00:52:31.680 --> 00:52:34.680
substantiates the claim in point 2 um

00:52:35.359 --> 00:52:38.055
that the levy is failing to meet the

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.616
objective locally. Um

00:52:40.640 --> 00:52:41.896
extension time.

00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.016
So move.

00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:45.335
Thank you. Um the only point that speaks

00:52:45.359 --> 00:52:47.575
to this in the report is point 10 which

00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:49.335
says the intended policy outcome is not

00:52:49.359 --> 00:52:51.095
reflected in how the levy impacts an

00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.496
activity center such as Chapel Street

00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:55.095
where customers have access to lowerc

00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:56.936
cost or free parking alternatives within

00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.256
the area. In this context, higher off

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.055
street parking prices are more likely to

00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.376
shift demand than reduce iter. That is a

00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.055
theoretical statement. It's based on

00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.776
existing theory from other studies and

00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:10.376
other research conducted in other

00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:13.176
places. We do not have any research or

00:53:13.200 --> 00:53:16.055
evidence yet at this time that says it

00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.079
is failing to redirect traffic um or

00:53:19.839 --> 00:53:22.535
people onto public transport. We know

00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.295
that there has been increased use of

00:53:24.319 --> 00:53:26.856
public transport over recent months. I'm

00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.776
sure that's due to the Victorian

00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.176
government's decision to introduce free

00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:33.176
public transport for two months and 50%

00:53:33.200 --> 00:53:35.815
off the remainder of the year. Um,

00:53:35.839 --> 00:53:37.976
however, it would be an incorrect

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.936
statement to say that the objective of

00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:42.456
increasing use of public transport

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.480
locally is failing.

00:53:45.520 --> 00:53:48.376
All right, so that's 2 and 14. We will

00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.295
split that out. Okay, just confirming

00:53:50.319 --> 00:53:52.616
that. All right, thank you councelor

00:53:52.640 --> 00:53:54.776
Hopper. Um, other speakers to the

00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:56.376
motion. from Council Healey.

00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.376
Thank you. Um yeah, we have to be clear

00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.856
about this that this is the contest is

00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.335
not a council tax. Um we didn't ask for

00:54:03.359 --> 00:54:04.696
it, we didn't vote for it, and we

00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:06.776
unfortunately can't opt out of it. It

00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.456
will cost us, as others have said, about

00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.095
$4.1 million a year whether anyone parks

00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.976
in those car parks or not. Apparently,

00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.256
thank you, Council Davies, that it

00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.656
raises um $94 million. I haven't had

00:54:17.680 --> 00:54:20.136
that exact amount before. Um, and it

00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:22.856
offers apparently $14 million of that

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.416
back to the councils that it's taking it

00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.440
from. Um, so that's 15% of the levies

00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.616
that they raise they are proposing to

00:54:30.640 --> 00:54:32.216
give back to the council areas. Not

00:54:32.240 --> 00:54:33.656
necessarily the precincts that they're

00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:35.736
taking the money from. And it's not even

00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.815
necessarily going to help ease

00:54:37.839 --> 00:54:39.575
congestion or help reinvest in

00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:41.335
streetscapes or to help with active

00:54:41.359 --> 00:54:43.176
transport. It's just money being taken

00:54:43.200 --> 00:54:44.776
and it's not being reinvested where

00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.496
they're taxing us from. um which is

00:54:47.520 --> 00:54:50.136
obviously really unfair. Um I think it's

00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:51.496
also important to note that we're the

00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:53.575
only area which has a congestion levy

00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.136
that has free on street car parking. So

00:54:56.160 --> 00:54:58.136
while we look at free car parking

00:54:58.160 --> 00:54:59.575
options for the car parks, we already

00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.815
have those free car parking options

00:55:01.839 --> 00:55:04.456
actually on the street already. Um, but

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.376
I do think that this this because of

00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.295
that dynamic, this actually works in

00:55:08.319 --> 00:55:10.295
opposition of easing congestion because

00:55:10.319 --> 00:55:12.456
it really encourages people to keep ling

00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.616
the block rather than going into the car

00:55:14.640 --> 00:55:16.456
parking buildings which would encourage

00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.480
a reduction in congestion.

00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:21.976
I think we should keep fighting it. Um,

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.575
but tonight we're not deciding whether

00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.416
or not we can have this tax, only how we

00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.496
can manage it. Um, we we've already

00:55:27.520 --> 00:55:29.176
tried the obvious thing. So from the 1st

00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:31.256
of January, we put prices up and

00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:32.696
officers really honest in the report

00:55:32.720 --> 00:55:35.095
about how that went. Patronage fell and

00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:36.456
the hardest was where there was free

00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.216
parking nearby. So we can't actually

00:55:38.240 --> 00:55:40.535
price our way out of this. So we're left

00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.016
with these structural changes um that

00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:44.936
officers have proposed and I think

00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.535
they've got that broadly right. So the

00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.335
rooftops mostly sit empty. I think um

00:55:49.359 --> 00:55:51.736
council Stephen showed us like the

00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.575
Google satellite things of the car parks

00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:55.016
over time and they're pretty much empty

00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:57.575
is a is an example. and anyone who's

00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.815
driven up there has seen it. So the car

00:55:59.839 --> 00:56:01.416
parks themselves are about a third

00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:03.736
filled. So we're paying full price on

00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.136
hundreds of spaces of basically concrete

00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:08.216
that that's sitting empty. So it makes

00:56:08.240 --> 00:56:09.976
sense for us to look at closing them. We

00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.055
can we can change the decision over time

00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.456
if we need to. Um and then there's a

00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.696
rebate for the PR market car park which

00:56:16.720 --> 00:56:18.136
is the Elizabeth Street one. It's the

00:56:18.160 --> 00:56:20.216
only one that we can get the 50%

00:56:20.240 --> 00:56:22.775
discount on the levy that we can if we

00:56:22.799 --> 00:56:25.656
can make the case to the SRO for and we

00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:26.775
don't know that we're necessarily going

00:56:26.799 --> 00:56:28.616
to be successful with that, but we're

00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:30.055
going to try our hardest to make it

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:33.079
happen. Um, and you know, but we can't

00:56:33.359 --> 00:56:34.936
winner on our own. So I'm really happy

00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.575
that we've now introduced the um

00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.575
information session with the with the

00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.575
pan market because those are the people

00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.599
who are interfacing with the um with the

00:56:45.040 --> 00:56:46.535
community who are having these

00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.976
frustrations and so it's really

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:49.256
important they understand where we're

00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:51.256
coming from and and also to hear

00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.496
feedback from them about how it's going.

00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:55.656
I want to finish on the money because

00:56:55.680 --> 00:56:58.136
parking is our biggest income source

00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:01.160
after rates. So it pays for drains.

00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:03.815
Thank you. pays for drains and the

00:57:03.839 --> 00:57:05.575
libraries and the footpaths and the open

00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:07.095
space and everything. And so when the

00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.496
state government takes $4 million out of

00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:11.176
that, if we don't manage it, that's

00:57:11.200 --> 00:57:14.200
going to impact our services. Um, and

00:57:14.319 --> 00:57:16.775
the idea that we could make car parking

00:57:16.799 --> 00:57:18.775
free in the car parks is an interesting

00:57:18.799 --> 00:57:21.799
one, but that means that we're losing

00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.000
that revenue that will go into those

00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:27.416
open spaces, that will pay for the

00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:29.256
street sweepers, that will pay for the

00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.815
libraries, etc. So, it's we really have

00:57:31.839 --> 00:57:33.496
to understand that it's not actually

00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:35.095
going to be free because our community

00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.176
will pay for it if we don't keep that

00:57:37.200 --> 00:57:40.200
revenue source up. I'm hoping that what

00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.616
we can do is protect our revenue and

00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:44.535
also stand with traders as much as we

00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.376
can and hope that they're not put as

00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.775
opposing goals and I'm hoping that this

00:57:48.799 --> 00:57:51.095
motion that we've now tweaked quite

00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.575
substantially um will help us do both

00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:54.616
those things. Thank you.

00:57:54.640 --> 00:57:56.295
Thank you, councelor Hillary. All right.

00:57:56.319 --> 00:57:59.176
So, we have councelor Bell and councelor

00:57:59.200 --> 00:58:01.256
Stefanopoulos say a few words.

00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.016
Have a question.

00:58:03.040 --> 00:58:05.976
You're happy for councelor Bell.

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.496
You want to speak to it? That is

00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:09.416
Thanks, man. I will speak to it. It

00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.575
won't be too long. Um I think most of us

00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.599
have already expressed our um views on

00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.575
the $4.1 million

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:19.896
levy that is having to be born by the

00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.896
City of Stonnington. I think the

00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:23.256
interesting thing for me is to

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.256
understand what actually that means in

00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:27.095
the context of Victoria and other

00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.335
transport related projects. We'll get

00:58:29.359 --> 00:58:32.055
back to the 4.1 million in a minute, but

00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:34.616
if you view that burden on the City of

00:58:34.640 --> 00:58:37.256
Stunnington alongside other transport

00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:38.936
projects, well, not other transport

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:40.696
projects, but projects that I believe

00:58:40.720 --> 00:58:42.535
are actually facilitating the problem in

00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:44.696
the first place. We've got the Westgate

00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:46.696
tunnel project which is a $10 billion

00:58:46.720 --> 00:58:48.456
project which as far as I'm aware is not

00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:51.095
really um being well utilized at the

00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.416
moment but in time there will be

00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:55.976
opportunities to provide incentives to

00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.136
utilize that project and that is the

00:58:58.160 --> 00:58:59.736
forecast of this government and I just

00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.376
don't understand why we would be having

00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:04.936
to deal with this problem anyway from

00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:06.775
that point of view. We've got Northeast

00:59:06.799 --> 00:59:08.775
Link which is about a $15 billion

00:59:08.799 --> 00:59:11.095
project and we've got Suburban Rail, a

00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.736
railbased project obviously

00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.295
cumulatively being $200 billion over the

00:59:16.319 --> 00:59:17.575
term of the project. Now just to put

00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.599
into perspective that is similarly

00:59:21.359 --> 00:59:23.896
valued to what Orcus is going to cost

00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:25.656
which is Australia's largest foreign

00:59:25.680 --> 00:59:26.055
policy.

00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.936
Madam May point of view here

00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.575
I'm going to tie back on

00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.256
a lot I've let it go but this is a lot

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.016
of irrelevant information. Madam May,

00:59:35.040 --> 00:59:36.295
I'm happy to bring up the governance

00:59:36.319 --> 00:59:39.319
rules. Yes, happy happy to do so.

00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.856
Um 55.1.4.

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.376
A bit of an echo in this room again,

00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.216
council. I'm using it again, Madame May.

00:59:46.240 --> 00:59:48.136
The debate that is irrelevant to the

00:59:48.160 --> 00:59:51.095
matter under consideration. Bringing up

00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.736
 the suburban rail loop, the brilliant

00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:55.416
suburban rail loop, the brilliant

00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.575
northeast link, the Westgate tunnel

00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.599
project or orcus is irrelevant. Um I'll

01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:03.736
uphold that point of order. So councelor

01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:05.016
Bell if you could just stick to the

01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:05.976
debate. Thank you.

01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.055
Thanks ma'am.

01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.376
And I think that directly that

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.376
cumulative value directly speaks to what

01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:13.736
councelor Davis has already been

01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.216
speaking about. This is a now an

01:00:16.240 --> 01:00:18.216
opportunity for the government to claw

01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:20.856
back some of what many believe is

01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.575
mismanaged finances. Now the $4.1

01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:25.256
million that we're having to deal with

01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:26.775
at the City of Zinton and some of us

01:00:26.799 --> 01:00:27.976
have spoken about it already here

01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.376
tonight is a significant challenge. We

01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.456
know that we don't like it, but what do

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.456
we do with it? So, there are a number of

01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:36.775
things we can do to do with it. I don't

01:00:36.799 --> 01:00:39.799
think that disincentivizing trade by

01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.656
potentially closing car parks is the

01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:45.656
best way to achieve a more vibrant

01:00:45.680 --> 01:00:47.736
Chapel Street. And I think there are

01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.095
other ways that you could better

01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.119
advantage advantage traders of Chapel

01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.535
Street. And some of those reasons would

01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.256
be to make parking free. And I do agree

01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.280
with council Humphre that to enable that

01:01:00.319 --> 01:01:03.319
puts a dynamic in the minds of traders

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.535
that we can go out there and spend

01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.456
money. And maybe I wouldn't have gone

01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.456
early, but now I can. And I understand

01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:12.535
that there might be some studies that

01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:14.456
reflect underutilized car parking on

01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.775
Chapel Street. But if you change the way

01:01:16.799 --> 01:01:18.376
people think and the behaviors of

01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:20.055
people, the way they trade, well then

01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:21.575
they will capitalize on those

01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.535
opportunities. And I can't see why we're

01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.216
looking

01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:29.240
to disadvantage traders by trying to

01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:30.616
solve this problem when we can actually

01:01:30.640 --> 01:01:33.640
advantage traders in this situation.

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:35.575
Thanks ma'am.

01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.456
Thank you councelor Bell. Um councelor

01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:39.176
Steph.

01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:41.335
Thank you ma'am. alarmist

01:01:41.359 --> 01:01:44.359
misinformation, populist politics from

01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:47.095
the likes of Nigel Farage, Donald Trump

01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.335
and Pauline Hansen and the dying Liberal

01:01:49.359 --> 01:01:51.736
Party is destructive and not the vast

01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.496
not reflecting of the vast majority of

01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:55.656
Australians in this country. And I'd

01:01:55.680 --> 01:01:57.335
like to thank my learned colleagues on

01:01:57.359 --> 01:01:58.856
that side of the table for providing

01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.856
excellent argument and for the deputy

01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:02.456
Mayor over here. I don't want to say

01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.055
anything else because they've all said

01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.016
it but the alarmist destructive manner

01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:08.456
of some of the other councils in this

01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.936
room in this chamber and outside this

01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.960
chamber making up lies and fibs is

01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.416
destructive and is no different to Paul

01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.055
Hansen Nigel Farage Donald Trump maybe

01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:21.496
that's what they should be called can I

01:02:21.520 --> 01:02:23.575
just ask a question of the council

01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.599
can I ask can Davis has been waiting for

01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.055
sorry to you question

01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:31.815
yeah through you I'd like to ask Mr.

01:02:31.839 --> 01:02:33.656
Simon Holay as director of

01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:36.680
infrastructure and Simon  to elaborate

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.016
further on the point too that councelor

01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:41.416
Hopper  believes has not been

01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.440
substantiated would you please elaborate

01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.176
on  how your department came to this

01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:50.200
conclusion and  based on what u

01:02:50.319 --> 01:02:53.319
research you have

01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:56.599
certainly through you  madame Mayor um

01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.055
the point articulated at point 2 in the

01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.079
report is a professional assertion

01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.736
on the effectiveness of the congestion

01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.760
levy as imposed in the City of Stington

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.256
achieve Stonnington to achieve its state

01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.496
objectives  of reducing congestion by

01:03:13.520 --> 01:03:16.456
encouraging motorists to use public

01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:19.095
transport more often.  importantly,

01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.176
this has been mentioned  in the

01:03:21.200 --> 01:03:23.976
context of all on street parking in the

01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.000
City of Stonnington being free  and the

01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.496
majority of council owned off streetet

01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:31.335
car parks in the chapter street precinct

01:03:31.359 --> 01:03:34.359
being free.  it's reasonably expected.

01:03:34.720 --> 01:03:37.416
So it is transport planning theory.

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.976
Acknowledge that that a significant

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.000
price increase in paid off street car

01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.736
parking will simply displace current

01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:48.616
demand for car parking increasing to

01:03:48.640 --> 01:03:51.640
lower cost and free  options.  and

01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.015
that that would necessarily involve

01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:57.095
increasing local traffic and

01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:58.696
circulation.

01:03:58.720 --> 01:04:01.720
People seek out a lower cost option. Um

01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.936
the the the data that we do have is

01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.960
evidenced in the reduction in car park

01:04:08.319 --> 01:04:11.015
patronage in our off streetet car parks

01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.039
where prices have increased as a result

01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.079
of the congestion levy. So um to put

01:04:18.319 --> 01:04:21.319
some data around that we saw 

01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.440
patronage in our multi-deck car parks

01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:27.256
decrease by 12 1.5%.

01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.896
 and patronage in our at grade pain

01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.920
display car parks  decrease by 40%.

01:04:33.680 --> 01:04:36.216
That's the basis of making the um what

01:04:36.240 --> 01:04:39.095
is that professional assertion of 2.

01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.335
Thank you Mr. Holloway.  if I may, I'd

01:04:41.359 --> 01:04:43.015
just like to say that  I'm not

01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:44.535
comfortable having that paragraph

01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:45.095
removed.

01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:46.456
Yeah. So you're going to get to close

01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:49.480
the debate council

01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.216
question before we got to the next step.

01:04:52.240 --> 01:04:53.416
So I'm going to ask a question to

01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:55.335
council bell then I well question bell

01:04:55.359 --> 01:04:57.736
bill sorry has a question to ask.

01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:58.376
Thank you

01:04:58.400 --> 01:04:59.496
and then I'm going to make a statement

01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:02.216
and then you'll get to close the debate.

01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:04.856
So save that up patient.

01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:07.256
Thank you m too much.

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:10.055
Keeping in mind that Nigel Farage is

01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.775
redot favorite bi-election and that the

01:05:12.799 --> 01:05:13.815
dying liberal party is

01:05:13.839 --> 01:05:15.896
madam. What's the question here? Because

01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:17.256
that doesn't appear to be a question. Is

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:18.216
it a question to offic?

01:05:18.240 --> 01:05:19.896
It's a question to It's a question to

01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:22.295
one of the council that says no

01:05:22.319 --> 01:05:23.015
question.

01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.039
Sorry, it's not allowed to

01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:28.136
know governance rules.

01:05:28.160 --> 01:05:29.736
Sorry

01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:31.176
question to council officers. All right.

01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:33.496
So I will make a comment. Great debate

01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:34.775
everybody and this is certainly

01:05:34.799 --> 01:05:37.799
democracy at its finest. Um I just want

01:05:37.839 --> 01:05:40.616
to make the point when these car spaces

01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:43.640
are empty we pay the tax. So why would

01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:46.936
we just not? It would be negligent of us

01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.496
as a council to not look at this and say

01:05:49.520 --> 01:05:52.295
it's nearly $6 a day for every car space

01:05:52.319 --> 01:05:54.376
that's not used. And when we hear that

01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:57.095
onethird of the car spaces in our key

01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.119
car parks are not being or sorry 2/3 of

01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:02.216
car spaces in our car parks are not

01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:05.240
being used. Why would we throw rate

01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.280
payer money away? Hence the reason why

01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.095
this is before us. And just to the

01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.496
comment about making car parking free,

01:06:13.520 --> 01:06:15.656
car parking is free on our streets where

01:06:15.680 --> 01:06:18.136
a council that has fought to keep it

01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:20.856
free. Um it's something I can say most

01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.616
councils still support that around this

01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:25.015
table to make our car parks free is just

01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:26.216
going to encourage everyone to park

01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:28.535
there and get on tram and train and go

01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.936
into the City and stop available car

01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.696
parking for those that need it and that

01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:34.535
is our traders and our shoppers and

01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.015
visitors to the area. So I think this is

01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:39.335
a balanced outcome. I'll be supporting

01:06:39.359 --> 01:06:41.896
the substantive recommendation. Um

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:43.335
obviously we'll put it to splitting up

01:06:43.359 --> 01:06:44.856
the two items that you've requested

01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:46.136
council hopper and we'll all vote on

01:06:46.160 --> 01:06:48.136
that. But um thank you councilors for a

01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:50.616
very constructive passionate debate. I

01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:52.775
just want to make that point of this is

01:06:52.799 --> 01:06:54.696
a situation where we can't be throwing

01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:56.936
rate payers money away to the tune of as

01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.960
I said nearly $6 per car space a day

01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.535
when um even if it's not used which is

01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.856
just impreulous that we would have to be

01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:07.256
charged a fee on that. All right. Now,

01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:08.936
I'll put it to the vote the substantive

01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:10.295
motion. Oh, sorry. Councelor Davis,

01:07:10.319 --> 01:07:11.496
you're going to close. My apologies.

01:07:11.520 --> 01:07:13.815
I've said my

01:07:13.839 --> 01:07:16.839
 just to  follow on from my question

01:07:17.520 --> 01:07:20.216
to Mr. Holloway.  I'd just like to

01:07:20.240 --> 01:07:23.095
state that um I am comfortable with this

01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.335
paragraph remaining, but if it 

01:07:25.359 --> 01:07:28.055
appeases my colleague, I'm happy for it

01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:31.079
to be  massaged slightly. Um perhaps

01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:34.680
to suggest that um

01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:36.696
 notew the state objective

01:07:36.720 --> 01:07:39.095
councelor Davis to change it would be an

01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:39.815
amendment.

01:07:39.839 --> 01:07:41.896
Well I know I realize it but

01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:43.815
we just can we just skip to the

01:07:43.839 --> 01:07:46.839
Well I think it's either in or it's out.

01:07:47.359 --> 01:07:50.359
Well if necessary but um I'm comfortable

01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:52.936
with that paragraph particularly based

01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.295
on Mr. Holay's

01:07:54.319 --> 01:07:56.055
okay assessment.

01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:57.496
 look it's all been said around the

01:07:57.520 --> 01:07:59.256
table. I think it's gone on long enough

01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:02.280
quite frankly. Um and   there's a

01:08:02.720 --> 01:08:05.176
lot I could say in regard to um my

01:08:05.200 --> 01:08:07.496
learned friend's suggestion about the

01:08:07.520 --> 01:08:10.055
free parking. The irony is that it's

01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.055
because we provided strip shopping

01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.376
center free parking all throughout the

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.616
municipality that we had to provide

01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:19.496
parking for our constituents that we

01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:21.896
we're being punished for it.

01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:24.920
So it does look I could go on but I

01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:27.016
won't. I think I've said enough. that.

01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:27.496
Thank you.

01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:29.175
Thank you, Councelor Davis. So,

01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.199
councilors, what I'm going to do is

01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:34.695
first put the motion in its entirety

01:08:34.719 --> 01:08:37.719
excluding two and items two and four and

01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:41.080
14. Sorry, two and 14. And then we'll

01:08:41.120 --> 01:08:43.016
deal with two. We'll vote on that and

01:08:43.040 --> 01:08:46.040
then we'll deal with 14. Yes. All right.

01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:47.896
And then that will um form a mo then

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.896
we'll have a final motion eventually.

01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:51.496
All right. So now I'll put the motion

01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:53.255
that's before us, the substanding motion

01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:54.775
which incorporates the amendments that

01:08:54.799 --> 01:08:57.016
we voted on earlier. Very complicated

01:08:57.040 --> 01:08:59.976
meeting this evening. Um and um and

01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.655
that's so it's the motion before us

01:09:01.679 --> 01:09:04.679
excluding 2 and4.

01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:07.655
So um all those in favor of the motion

01:09:07.679 --> 01:09:10.679
excluding those two bullet points.

01:09:11.120 --> 01:09:13.416
All those against.

01:09:13.440 --> 01:09:15.416
Okay, that motion is carried. So I'll

01:09:15.440 --> 01:09:16.936
just get the vote. So it's councelor

01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:18.456
Chattery, councelor Stefanopoulos,

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:19.655
councelor Healey, councelor Hopper,

01:09:19.679 --> 01:09:21.255
councelor Caris, councelor Davis,

01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:23.976
councelor S. All those gays, councelor

01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:26.856
Humphre, and councelor Bell will now so

01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.695
the substantive motion excluding those

01:09:28.719 --> 01:09:30.856
two has been carried. I now move to the

01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.880
inclusion of 2. All those in favor of

01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:36.616
including 2 in the motion that's just

01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:39.640
been carried.

01:09:41.679 --> 01:09:44.135
All those in favor of include who

01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.159
supported vote to including

01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:50.359
 in the all right and all those

01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.536
against

01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.560
okay the motion is lost.  so that's so

01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:58.056
now all those um supportive and

01:09:58.080 --> 01:10:00.856
including I just call out the names.

01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.175
Council Harris, councelor sir, councelor

01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:04.936
Davis, councelor Healey, all those

01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:06.135
gates.

01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:09.159
So, councelor um I'm sorry, I'm just

01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:13.400
this has been a long debate council st

01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:15.096
and many times reading out people's

01:10:15.120 --> 01:10:17.096
names, councelor Hopper and councelor

01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:20.120
Cosirus. So, um the  it's to be

01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.496
included in the um sorry, it's to be

01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:25.175
excluded from the um the debates

01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.976
apologizes. Now, we move to 14 lucky

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.000
last hopefully. Um so all those in favor

01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.920
of keeping in the um the inclusion of

01:10:35.280 --> 01:10:38.280
the expression of interest sorry 14 was

01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:40.776
become 13.

01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.135
Well I thought they didn't look right

01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.159
13. So um for 13 all those in favor of

01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:49.400
keeping 13 in the um recommendation.

01:10:53.440 --> 01:10:56.056
All those against. So we're moving. All

01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:59.080
right. So um the inclusion is lost. So

01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:01.576
um all those in favor of including I

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.296
just get their names call them out

01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:07.256
council Davis councelor Bell I think.

01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:09.096
No. So it's just those two for including

01:11:09.120 --> 01:11:11.655
it. All those

01:11:11.679 --> 01:11:13.976
wanting it excluded. So councelor

01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.056
Humphre councelor Chad councel Steph

01:11:16.080 --> 01:11:17.816
Councelor Hilly councelor Hopper council

01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:20.840
for councel sec. So um that will be

01:11:22.080 --> 01:11:24.296
excluded from the recommendation. So

01:11:24.320 --> 01:11:27.320
just confirming um we have two 

01:11:28.320 --> 01:11:31.320
included and um 13 excluded from the

01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.600
final recommendation. Everyone got that?

01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:38.135
Say that again. May

01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:38.776
excluded.

01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:39.576
Two excluded.

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.536
So two did I say included? Two excluded

01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.560
and um and 13 um excluded as well.

01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:48.536
Sorry.

01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:49.655
All right.

01:11:49.679 --> 01:11:50.215
Correct.

01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:50.856
Okay.

01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:52.135
Wonderful work, Mayor.

01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:53.816
Well done.

01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:55.655
Except I would like to move amendment to

01:11:55.679 --> 01:11:56.776
the power act too.

01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:58.536
It's done and dusted.

01:11:58.560 --> 01:11:59.816
Yes, I know.

01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.496
We've done it earlier. Sorry, councelor

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:04.520
Davis for opportunity. All right.

01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.816
Thank you um also for bringing that

01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:09.655
matter to our attention for speaking

01:12:09.679 --> 01:12:11.736
here tonight and as you can see it's a

01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.256
very passionate issue that we have to

01:12:13.280 --> 01:12:15.016
deal with and there's very strong views

01:12:15.040 --> 01:12:17.256
around the table of its impact. So thank

01:12:17.280 --> 01:12:19.416
you again. All right, deep breath

01:12:19.440 --> 01:12:21.175
council. Does anyone want a break? All

01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:22.776
right, let's keep going.

01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:25.736
We move to item 8.3. Um, the office of

01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.456
recommendation. , do I have a mover

01:12:28.480 --> 01:12:29.896
and a second? Noting there's an

01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.655
alternate as well.

01:12:31.679 --> 01:12:33.256
Can I move the alternate?

01:12:33.280 --> 01:12:36.280
You can. Are you seconding? So, I can

01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:37.336
move.

01:12:37.360 --> 01:12:38.376
I was moving with the officer

01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:39.256
recommendation, but

01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:41.336
well, you're a bit slow. Councelor's

01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:44.360
gotten in early. So, councelor Healey,

01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:46.215
first person. So, councelor Healey,

01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.056
you're moving officer recommendation.

01:12:48.080 --> 01:12:50.296
Sorry, your alternate recommendation. Do

01:12:50.320 --> 01:12:52.776
you have a second?

01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.816
I'll second.

01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.840
Thank you. Um, so just outlining the um

01:12:57.040 --> 01:13:00.040
alter, it's just moving it from um a a 3

01:13:01.360 --> 01:13:03.175
week to a 4-we community engagement

01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.576
process and then also adding the point

01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:07.256
that officers will assess current

01:13:07.280 --> 01:13:09.655
parking behavior including occupancy,

01:13:09.679 --> 01:13:11.336
turnover, and dwell time across all

01:13:11.360 --> 01:13:13.896
precincts and formulating final um

01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:15.576
recommendations which will identify in

01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.600
precincts for evening parking. Um 

01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:22.856
data is not available.

01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:23.896
Yeah.

01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:25.496
Oh, see data

01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.520
data not evening parking data. So what

01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:30.856
does it not make sense? Yes.

01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.175
Right. So um council is actually

01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:35.175
seconded. I think so.

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.736
So over to you council the second.

01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:40.296
Um so just talking to the changes here.

01:13:40.320 --> 01:13:43.320
We have a um civic policy coming to

01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.056
council um tonight as well which is

01:13:46.080 --> 01:13:49.080
looking at um what events and days we

01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:52.536
celebrate put flags up for or whatnot.

01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.856
Um and that's going to um consultation

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:56.776
for four weeks. So why would this which

01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.256
is a fairly significant change for our

01:13:59.280 --> 01:14:02.280
retail not also be for four weeks. Um,

01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:05.416
and then number six, just because I'm

01:14:05.440 --> 01:14:08.440
concerned that there is  different

01:14:09.040 --> 01:14:11.576
needs for retail for daytime versus

01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:13.016
nighttime parking. There's different

01:14:13.040 --> 01:14:15.256
activities that occur. Um, so I want to

01:14:15.280 --> 01:14:17.016
make sure that we're capturing that or

01:14:17.040 --> 01:14:18.536
very clear when we do do not have the

01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:20.695
data to understand um what the

01:14:20.719 --> 01:14:22.456
differences and nuances are between

01:14:22.480 --> 01:14:24.376
those two different day parts are.

01:14:24.400 --> 01:14:26.296
All right. Thank you, Council Jill.

01:14:26.320 --> 01:14:28.135
Councelor Ho is the second.

01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:30.695
Yes. Um I don't have a lot to add but I

01:14:30.719 --> 01:14:32.776
just want to note the importance of

01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.336
assessing current parking behavior and

01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:37.655
also identifying any precincts where in

01:14:37.679 --> 01:14:40.456
in parking data is not available. Um and

01:14:40.480 --> 01:14:42.616
I only note this because earlier in the

01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.175
year um counselors were presented with

01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.199
data about um the utilization of car

01:14:48.400 --> 01:14:51.400
parks um along Chapel Street. Um, and

01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:54.776
people may not be aware of this, but

01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.800
Chapel Street from Turac Road um, south

01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.239
is council um, is council managed. T um,

01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:08.199
Chapel Street from Turac Road north is

01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.800
state managed. And so the generally

01:15:12.480 --> 01:15:15.416
produced data um the generic data about

01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:18.440
parking utilization in Chapel Street um

01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.576
is often specific to the part that

01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.600
council manages and can exclude the park

01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:27.016
that council does not manage which just

01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:29.416
so happens to be the Koma board um

01:15:29.440 --> 01:15:32.135
section of Chapel Street. Um, and so is

01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.695
of great import to me, , and my

01:15:34.719 --> 01:15:36.536
residents. Um, and there's also, you

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:38.296
know, a really good part of Chapel

01:15:38.320 --> 01:15:40.695
Street. Um, and I'm very interested to

01:15:40.719 --> 01:15:43.256
know about parking data, um, in that

01:15:43.280 --> 01:15:45.175
part of Chapel Street. So, I think

01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:48.056
identifying the precincts where data is

01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:51.016
not readily available um, is always a

01:15:51.040 --> 01:15:52.536
good thing to do.

01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:53.976
Thank you, Council Hopper. Are the

01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.215
speakers to the amended motion, the

01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:58.776
alternative motion?

01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:01.800
Council J. Um I just had a question for

01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:05.480
um Simon. Um where um in the 

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.376
alternate it says council officers will

01:16:10.400 --> 01:16:12.135
assess the current parking behavior,

01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.616
occupancy, turnover, dwell time. Was

01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:17.640
that not already recorded prior to the

01:16:18.080 --> 01:16:20.536
assessment done by officers to introduce

01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.560
some of these changes or not or have we

01:16:23.679 --> 01:16:26.679
got only some bits and some some of that

01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:31.336
um through Thank you, Madam Mayor. ,

01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:34.215
in formulating the proposal, the report

01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.616
 sets out the methodology that was

01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:39.096
undertaken for the assessment. It was

01:16:39.120 --> 01:16:42.120
largely observational in terms of um the

01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:44.936
 the number of businesses that were

01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.576
open, for example, in the evening and on

01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:50.600
weekends,  parking availability, etc.

01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.456
So there was a there was an

01:16:52.480 --> 01:16:54.936
observational based assessment looking

01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.960
at parking demand in our precincts as

01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.239
opposed to or or against parking supply.

01:17:01.360 --> 01:17:03.816
What what this references is that in

01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.536
some locations council does have

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:09.560
additional data  through our parking

01:17:10.080 --> 01:17:12.936
sensors and that that would be utilized

01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:15.960
to inform the final recommendations. So

01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.215
yes certainly we have reference data in

01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:20.456
formulating the proposals. This just

01:17:20.480 --> 01:17:22.296
goes a step further particularly in

01:17:22.320 --> 01:17:24.376
looking at um where that data

01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:26.616
differentiates  between day and

01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:27.256
evening.

01:17:27.280 --> 01:17:28.856
So would it be an additional cost to

01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.016
council to get consultants like GTA or

01:17:31.040 --> 01:17:34.040
Stantech to cover this data prior to

01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:35.336
introducing these changes

01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:36.296
through you may know.

01:17:36.320 --> 01:17:37.816
Okay, great. That's I just wanted to

01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:39.655
clarify. Thank you.

01:17:39.679 --> 01:17:42.296
Thank you councelor Charlie. I just I

01:17:42.320 --> 01:17:44.296
was just going to say Mayor that I do

01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:46.856
support my colleague council Healey's

01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:49.576
recommendation. Um and I just did want

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.576
to say that um I congratulate the

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.056
director Simon Hollow and um the

01:17:54.080 --> 01:17:56.616
officers in particular Ian McLolin who

01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:58.536
 the transport and parking manager who

01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:01.560
has overseen many changes over the 40

01:18:01.679 --> 01:18:04.679
odd years he's been here um and it's

01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:07.976
changed um and in that time our local

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:09.336
shopping centers have become more

01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:11.096
sophisticated in their offerings by

01:18:11.120 --> 01:18:13.736
providing ubiquitous cafes, restaurants

01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.296
and provadors and popularity of these

01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:17.655
businesses has led to an increase in

01:18:17.679 --> 01:18:19.175
demand. demand for parking spaces in

01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:21.096
these thriving activity centers in the

01:18:21.120 --> 01:18:23.655
evenings and during weekends. And in

01:18:23.679 --> 01:18:25.096
this review, officers have studied

01:18:25.120 --> 01:18:26.616
existing parking restrictions,

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.376
unrestricted parking, and off- streetet

01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:30.215
parking opportunities. And I'm very

01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.296
pleased to say that he found a small

01:18:32.320 --> 01:18:35.320
area in my local shopping strip, which

01:18:35.679 --> 01:18:38.215
has not had parking restrictions for as

01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:39.896
long as I've lived here, which is 43

01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:42.920
years. But  but it was most unfair.

01:18:43.679 --> 01:18:45.976
Um I just encourage people in the

01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:48.695
community to to read this report and 

01:18:48.719 --> 01:18:50.776
offer your views. Um and all the

01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.800
information will be on the website.

01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.695
All right. Other speakers to motion

01:18:56.719 --> 01:18:58.856
council have been reported or

01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:00.936
 no I I just realized after I talked

01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.456
that I forgot to actually say my speech.

01:19:02.480 --> 01:19:03.655
So I'm trying to do that in the summer.

01:19:03.679 --> 01:19:05.816
So um it's really hard to defend a

01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:07.256
situation where in the middle of our

01:19:07.280 --> 01:19:09.175
busiest retail strips a person can leave

01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:11.655
a vehicle all day for free um

01:19:11.679 --> 01:19:13.175
indefinitely. In my ward, we have

01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.175
unrestricted spi spaces being used to

01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:17.976
store trailers and caravans for weeks at

01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:19.896
a time really close to Chapel Street.

01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.896
And these are not customers and every

01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:23.655
one of those spaces is a space that a

01:19:23.679 --> 01:19:25.655
customer can't use. So this report

01:19:25.679 --> 01:19:27.655
doesn't take parking away from people.

01:19:27.679 --> 01:19:29.256
It makes more of it available to the

01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:31.336
people that traders depend on. So a

01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:33.576
space occupied by one vehicle all day

01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.215
for several days serves one person. But

01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.215
managed properly, that same space can

01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:40.695
serve eight or 10 8 to 10 people. and I

01:19:40.719 --> 01:19:42.936
accept that premise. Um, we're looking

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.016
to increase the hours of restriction

01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:47.256
through a lot of our precincts as well.

01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:49.096
Um, to align when there's business in

01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:51.096
the area that's activated and to protect

01:19:51.120 --> 01:19:53.256
those spaces for retail and hospitality

01:19:53.280 --> 01:19:56.135
customers and I support that, but what

01:19:56.159 --> 01:19:57.816
we didn't what I felt we didn't address

01:19:57.840 --> 01:19:59.736
is the duration of parking for those

01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:02.296
weekend and evening extensions. So the

01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:03.736
only down the report that I could see

01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:05.655
had an average say of 35 minutes comes

01:20:05.679 --> 01:20:08.616
from daytime retail sensors and it tells

01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:10.296
us something very useful about a Tuesday

01:20:10.320 --> 01:20:12.376
morning but nothing nothing much about a

01:20:12.400 --> 01:20:14.376
Saturday night and popping out for

01:20:14.400 --> 01:20:16.296
lunchtime to grab something is not the

01:20:16.320 --> 01:20:18.536
same as an activity to go out for dinner

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.616
and an hour is okay for the first thing

01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:22.456
but maybe not for the second. So people

01:20:22.480 --> 01:20:24.536
should stay as is as for the duration of

01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:26.456
the activity when they're giving money

01:20:26.480 --> 01:20:28.695
to our traders in some way and a shorter

01:20:28.719 --> 01:20:30.776
limit um for that time does not

01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:33.016
necessarily create turn turnover it

01:20:33.040 --> 01:20:34.776
could create infringement. So I think

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:36.695
duration should try to match a little

01:20:36.719 --> 01:20:38.215
bit of what customers are trying to do

01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:40.056
in that place at that time and I really

01:20:40.080 --> 01:20:42.936
feel that daytime versus nighttime is a

01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:45.960
different um  a different premise. Um,

01:20:46.320 --> 01:20:48.376
so in conclusion, our trainers deserve

01:20:48.400 --> 01:20:50.376
curbside space that serves their

01:20:50.400 --> 01:20:52.296
customers, not long-term storage of

01:20:52.320 --> 01:20:54.695
caravans. Um, and I want us to get the

01:20:54.719 --> 01:20:56.296
detail right the first time, which is

01:20:56.320 --> 01:20:57.655
why I'm really happy that we've got now

01:20:57.679 --> 01:20:59.816
four weeks for consultation and more

01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:01.175
data that will come through about

01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:03.416
daytime versus nighttime. Um, because

01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:04.856
our community will judge us on the

01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.175
detail, not just on the principle. Thank

01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:07.576
you.

01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:09.175
Right. Motion now to put all those in

01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.135
favor

01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:13.816
and that motion's carried unanimously.

01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.536
Thank you, councilors. We now move to

01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.560
item 8

01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:23.239
four. Sorry, I'm just going to my notes.

01:21:24.719 --> 01:21:27.719
So, the civic recognition policy. Do I

01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.896
have any second?

01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.576
Council Stefanopoulos. Second council

01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.336
Davis.

01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:34.376
Council Stefanopoulos.

01:21:34.400 --> 01:21:36.456
, thank you, Mayor. , this is a

01:21:36.480 --> 01:21:38.456
conglomeration of a number of policies

01:21:38.480 --> 01:21:39.976
that we've had in the City of Stoington

01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.135
for a number of years. Some almost

01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.135
predate the City of Stoington, too. I'd

01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.056
like to thank the officers for combining

01:21:46.080 --> 01:21:49.080
all these and um updating them and

01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.256
ensuring that they meet contemporary

01:21:51.280 --> 01:21:53.896
standards and community expectation too.

01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:56.856
It is important that um  one of the

01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:58.215
things that we have highlighted in the

01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:00.296
report is creating a civic recognition

01:22:00.320 --> 01:22:02.615
garden too opposite the Molvin Town Hall

01:22:02.639 --> 01:22:04.695
in the Molvin City square  which is

01:22:04.719 --> 01:22:07.719
where we can recognize all the different

01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:11.159
aspects of our um lovely multicultural

01:22:11.280 --> 01:22:13.976
community um which I love and adore as

01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.000
opposed to falling Hansen and we can um

01:22:17.040 --> 01:22:20.040
celebrate them there in a public forum

01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:22.536
and I love that fact and I hope that my

01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.695
community comes out loud and proud

01:22:24.719 --> 01:22:26.135
including all the Rainbow community

01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:27.736
members comes out loud and proud and

01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:29.655
says um how great this is for the City

01:22:29.679 --> 01:22:31.736
of Strongton to do. I think I don't have

01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:33.416
I don't think I've seen one of these in

01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:35.096
an inner City municipality. So we might

01:22:35.120 --> 01:22:37.576
be the first to do this. So I'm hoping

01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:39.256
that our community will respond

01:22:39.280 --> 01:22:39.896
positively.

01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:41.416
Thank you Council Steph. Councelor

01:22:41.440 --> 01:22:43.976
Davis.  thank you, Mayor. U council

01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:45.655
Stefanopoulos has just about covered it

01:22:45.679 --> 01:22:48.679
all, I think. But um I will just 

01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:50.856
comment that  yes, I'm very pleased to

01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.816
have these particular events listed and

01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.215
it's an opportunity to help educate all

01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:59.239
of us about what these days mean to um

01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:01.896
to so many of members of our community.

01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:04.920
Um and  it's interesting to note that

01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:09.496
well I found it fascinating to note that

01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.520
um we might need a bigger garden in 2033

01:23:14.400 --> 01:23:17.400
because the Islamic lunar cycle places

01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.456
Eid alfit correct me if my

01:23:20.480 --> 01:23:21.976
pronunciation's

01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:24.536
on the 25th which is the end of Ramadan

01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.016
on the 25th of December and Hanukkah

01:23:27.040 --> 01:23:30.040
ends on Christmas Eve. So that garden is

01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:30.776
going to be

01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:31.416
busy

01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:34.215
looking very featuring a lot of

01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:35.416
different 

01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:37.256
what year was that council

01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:37.896
fun

01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:39.736
20 what year was that

01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:40.856
2033

01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:42.215
we'll still be here okay

01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.239
and in 20

01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:47.416
let that one go through the keeper

01:23:47.440 --> 01:23:50.440
in 2030 Ramadan coincides with Christmas

01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:53.816
day and Hanukkah will end on December

01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:54.936
28th

01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.896
so I love your research

01:23:57.920 --> 01:23:58.615
bless

01:23:58.639 --> 01:24:00.296
I just think it's a good opportunity for

01:24:00.320 --> 01:24:03.175
us all to learn a bit more about who we

01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:05.175
are and what we believe

01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:06.615
and how diverse our community is.

01:24:06.639 --> 01:24:08.056
Some don't believe in me.

01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:11.080
Speakers to the motion.

01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:12.695
Council.

01:24:12.719 --> 01:24:15.655
Thanks. Nothing more to add other than I

01:24:15.679 --> 01:24:18.376
think it's just a great opportunity for

01:24:18.400 --> 01:24:21.016
 the community to be across know what

01:24:21.040 --> 01:24:23.736
has perhaps been missing in the past and

01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.760
I I really hope that this can be

01:24:28.719 --> 01:24:31.016
made very aware across the broader City

01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:32.296
because I think it's a really important

01:24:32.320 --> 01:24:34.536
document. Um I've got no doubt that

01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:36.376
it'll be of great interest to a lot of

01:24:36.400 --> 01:24:38.536
people. It's become probably more and

01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.016
more topical as we become more and more

01:24:41.040 --> 01:24:42.856
multicultural. So I think it's a really

01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:44.695
important discussion that we should have

01:24:44.719 --> 01:24:47.256
and in the proper manner of course and

01:24:47.280 --> 01:24:48.936
I'm looking forward to seeing what comes

01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:50.776
of it and we'll have probably another

01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:53.800
opportunity to speak to it and and um

01:24:54.400 --> 01:24:55.736
deliberate on the outcomes of the

01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:57.576
community consultation in due course. So

01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.496
looking forward to the four weeks of

01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:00.856
consultation here.

01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:02.695
Thank you councelor Bell. Council

01:25:02.719 --> 01:25:05.256
thank you. Um  again I support this

01:25:05.280 --> 01:25:07.016
going up for consultation um and

01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:10.040
acknowledge that's in draft calendar

01:25:10.320 --> 01:25:13.320
um and that  Hanukkah is there with a

01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:15.816
manora in the civic recognition garden

01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.135
and an invitation for Molvin Shabbad to

01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:19.496
light it with us and that's the right

01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.816
outcome that I'm really pleased to see.

01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:23.736
Um, but I do feel the need to make an

01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:26.296
observation and then I'll leave it that

01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:28.296
council um has installed Christmas

01:25:28.320 --> 01:25:29.816
decorations in our shopping precincts

01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:31.416
and on the facade of the Molden Town

01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:33.016
Hall every year for as long as anyone

01:25:33.040 --> 01:25:35.016
can remember without a policy telling us

01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:36.776
that we're permitted to do so. But when

01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:38.135
a different community asked for

01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.536
something considerably smaller, we said

01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:42.776
we needed a framework first and I don't

01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:44.456
think that that state stand was applied

01:25:44.480 --> 01:25:46.215
evenly and I don't think the weight was

01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:48.615
necessary. approving the request last

01:25:48.639 --> 01:25:50.456
year would have prevented um wouldn't

01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:52.056
have prevented a single line of this

01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:54.056
policy from being written and we could

01:25:54.080 --> 01:25:57.080
have done both. Um I'll now leave that.

01:25:57.679 --> 01:26:00.135
Um but what I like most about what we're

01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:01.496
looking at tonight is really the

01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:03.416
consultation itself. So, we're putting a

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:05.976
list of proposed dates um and cultural

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:07.976
observances to our community and asking

01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:10.615
them which ones matter to them, which

01:26:10.639 --> 01:26:13.096
ones reflect who they are in their

01:26:13.120 --> 01:26:14.695
lives, what they value, and what they

01:26:14.719 --> 01:26:16.536
would like to see marked in their civic

01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:18.615
space. Um, I think this is the right way

01:26:18.639 --> 01:26:20.936
around. Um, we shouldn't be telling

01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:22.856
necessarily what happens to our

01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:23.816
community and what they should

01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:25.416
celebrate. They should be telling us and

01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:27.336
we should be listening. Um, so I support

01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:29.655
that recommendation.

01:26:29.679 --> 01:26:32.456
Thank you, Council. council on this.

01:26:32.480 --> 01:26:34.135
 I'd just like to thank officers for

01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:36.056
the the large piece of work and you're

01:26:36.080 --> 01:26:38.695
pulling all of this together. Um I do

01:26:38.719 --> 01:26:39.896
think that some of these are probably

01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:41.576
long overdue for recognition and it's

01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:42.856
great. They are going out to the

01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.880
community for consultation on this.

01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.215
Thank you. Other speakers council

01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:52.536
Stephen happy for me to put certainly.

01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:54.936
All right. All those in favor that

01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.256
motion unanimous unanimously. Thank you

01:26:57.280 --> 01:27:00.280
councelors. We now move to item 8.5. Um

01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:03.016
we have the 26 27 community grants

01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:06.040
program. Do I have a mover and a second?

01:27:06.639 --> 01:27:09.639
I'd like to move with a amendment um

01:27:10.639 --> 01:27:13.639
which the officers had in part. Um so to

01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:17.159
add to 0.1 at the end we're applicable,

01:27:19.040 --> 01:27:21.256
including the provision of inind

01:27:21.280 --> 01:27:23.336
community bus support for the

01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:25.896
association of former inmates of Nazi

01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:27.976
concentration camps and ghettos from the

01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:30.536
former Soviet Union.

01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:33.560
and funding in full for the Grand Girls

01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:37.416
skate and shred competition and

01:27:37.440 --> 01:27:39.976
promoting Stonnington skatable spaces

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:43.000
initiatives at an additional cost of

01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.896
$11,621

01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:48.920
cash and $765.30

01:27:49.280 --> 01:27:52.280
in kind. So just so I'm clear, is that

01:27:53.040 --> 01:27:55.496
for all of the inclusions or is that for

01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:57.816
the So that total amount that you've

01:27:57.840 --> 01:27:58.376
just read out

01:27:58.400 --> 01:28:01.256
that total amount is for the two skate

01:28:01.280 --> 01:28:02.056
projects

01:28:02.080 --> 01:28:03.976
and what about the former inmates of

01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.456
Nazi concentration camping? What's the

01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:09.480
value?

01:28:10.719 --> 01:28:12.856
Yeah, I couldn't find it. I just left

01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.096
let's put in for one put in for both.

01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:15.736
Yes. Yes.

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:17.336
I did go looking for it. I couldn't find

01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:17.496
it.

01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:19.096
It was like $190.

01:28:19.120 --> 01:28:21.416
I know it's small. Davis, would you mind

01:28:21.440 --> 01:28:23.096
giving me your print out again? Is that

01:28:23.120 --> 01:28:23.896
okay?

01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:25.896
It's just up there.

01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.920
You can find it. I have counselor.

01:28:30.320 --> 01:28:33.320
, so

01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:36.056
it is

01:28:36.080 --> 01:28:37.416
$200.

01:28:37.440 --> 01:28:40.440
All right. So, if we just put $200 for

01:28:40.719 --> 01:28:43.016
Yeah. So, added to the in kind. Um, so

01:28:43.040 --> 01:28:45.416
instead of $76,5.30

01:28:45.440 --> 01:28:48.440
in kind, it would be $96

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.560
$65.30. inverted sense in kind.

01:28:51.679 --> 01:28:53.896
All right. So that's for just can we

01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:56.536
just clarify that it's for both?

01:28:56.560 --> 01:28:57.175
Yes.

01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:00.199
Both um was pram girls skate and shred

01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.175
competition. It's for all of the ones

01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:05.416
above. So that's what you're moving. Um

01:29:05.440 --> 01:29:08.440
do I have a second?

01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:09.896
Well, I need a second to councelor

01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:11.016
Casares.

01:29:11.040 --> 01:29:12.695
All right. Um do you have a question?

01:29:12.719 --> 01:29:13.336
I have a question.

01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:14.695
Yeah. So councelor Davis just got a

01:29:14.719 --> 01:29:15.736
question, councelor Hopper, and then

01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:16.936
I'll come back to you to speak to the

01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:17.655
motion

01:29:17.679 --> 01:29:19.976
through you Mayor. I'd like to ask um

01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.000
the director of community har  why

01:29:24.080 --> 01:29:26.456
initially did excuse me that did this

01:29:26.480 --> 01:29:28.056
branding

01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:31.080
plus not qualify  through there um we

01:29:33.120 --> 01:29:36.120
had a highly competitive  round um the

01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:38.615
applications

01:29:38.639 --> 01:29:41.096
 in terms of the two skate event

01:29:41.120 --> 01:29:43.096
essentially just didn't have as much

01:29:43.120 --> 01:29:45.175
detail as some of the other grant

01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:46.695
applications

01:29:46.719 --> 01:29:48.695
um that's

01:29:48.719 --> 01:29:51.719
these practices what information

01:29:53.679 --> 01:29:54.856
again some of the council

01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:56.856
so that's the question followup question

01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:58.776
is it that they were not compliant or

01:29:58.800 --> 01:29:59.976
just not recommended

01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.816
it was not it wasn't that they were not

01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.840
compliant just not recommended

01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.960
for no other reason than that was it

01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:10.615
attempt made to follow up to obtain more

01:30:10.639 --> 01:30:11.576
information

01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:14.456
 through you may we provide um we

01:30:14.480 --> 01:30:17.480
provide all applica applicants um the

01:30:17.679 --> 01:30:20.536
access to officers to work with them

01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:22.456
around their grant applications and we

01:30:22.480 --> 01:30:25.416
do information sessions. So we don't go

01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:28.135
back to every grant application if they

01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:30.536
don't quite meet the criteria and or

01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.615
aren't as we

01:30:32.639 --> 01:30:35.639
thank you. Thank you um councelor James.

01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:37.896
All right. So, Council Hopper, Mr. Nou.

01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:40.776
Yes. , thank you. So, not a lot to

01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:43.256
say, but this is our  program for

01:30:43.280 --> 01:30:45.496
funding community grants  which takes

01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.520
place annually. Um there is an

01:30:48.719 --> 01:30:50.856
incredible and extraordinary list of

01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:52.856
projects that are being funded 

01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:54.376
through this initiative this year

01:30:54.400 --> 01:30:56.936
including a variety of  food relief

01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.175
and food bank projects including a

01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:02.199
variety of um significant charities that

01:31:02.480 --> 01:31:04.936
operate locally um that people will be

01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:07.175
very familiar with um such as Very

01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:09.976
Special Kids. Um and then including you

01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:12.056
know some of our smaller um local

01:31:12.080 --> 01:31:14.536
charity charitable organizations and

01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.560
community  groups such as the Puntill

01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.776
Community Garden for example. Um so it's

01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.736
really wonderful to see um the many

01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:26.296
community groups and organizations um

01:31:26.320 --> 01:31:28.456
within our municipality

01:31:28.480 --> 01:31:30.615
um applying for these grants and being

01:31:30.639 --> 01:31:33.496
successful um in receiving the funding

01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:36.056
that is available. Um, as always, we

01:31:36.080 --> 01:31:39.080
also um encourage the organizations in

01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:42.056
our community to apply for other grants

01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:43.655
um that are available to them. Um,

01:31:43.679 --> 01:31:45.416
whether it's the volunteering grants

01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:47.496
that are available federally um and

01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:49.496
other projects, including those who've

01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:52.135
not been successful um in the council

01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:54.456
grant round. Um, we've had to make hard

01:31:54.480 --> 01:31:56.376
decisions as a council group in terms of

01:31:56.400 --> 01:31:58.056
the amount of funding that's allocated

01:31:58.080 --> 01:32:00.536
to community grants. Um this year for

01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:03.175
example, we have um reduced the amount

01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.655
that's available to arts grants. Um

01:32:05.679 --> 01:32:07.576
we're not providing new funding to arts

01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:10.215
grants in this round. Um just continuing

01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.376
existing ones, but it's great to see

01:32:12.400 --> 01:32:14.615
some organizations that are focused on

01:32:14.639 --> 01:32:17.016
the arts and creativity putting forward

01:32:17.040 --> 01:32:19.016
applications in our broader community

01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:22.040
grants um project round. Um the projects

01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.560
that have been added um are projects

01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:28.296
that were deemed to have merit by

01:32:28.320 --> 01:32:31.175
officers. Um one of them was funded in

01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.896
part um which is skate pro program to

01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.776
encourage more girls and women um into

01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.096
skating. Um we are in the incredible

01:32:39.120 --> 01:32:42.120
position in Stonnington of having some of

01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:45.880
the best skating infrastructure in

01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:48.615
Melbourne if not Australia. Um and in

01:32:48.639 --> 01:32:51.639
fact the Pan skate park has been listed

01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.760
in top 10 skate parks in Australia um

01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.760
numerous times. It won major awards last

01:32:59.120 --> 01:33:01.175
year from the National Landscape

01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.256
Architecture Awards um for civic

01:33:03.280 --> 01:33:05.496
landscape um for the work that we've

01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:08.520
done to improve that space. the amount

01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:11.416
of funding that is being sought um by

01:33:11.440 --> 01:33:13.655
skating organizations to promote that

01:33:13.679 --> 01:33:16.456
space to encourage more people to use it

01:33:16.480 --> 01:33:19.096
um as a form of sport and active

01:33:19.120 --> 01:33:21.816
recreation to activate that precinct in

01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:23.736
a way that then gets people using other

01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:25.416
parts of the precinct visiting Chapel

01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:27.816
Street etc. and to get more girls and

01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:30.695
women into skating um is really exciting

01:33:30.719 --> 01:33:32.856
to see. Um and so I think it's something

01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:35.655
that we should be supporting um as one

01:33:35.679 --> 01:33:37.256
of the leaders in this space

01:33:37.280 --> 01:33:39.736
Australiawide. Um and the provision of

01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:41.655
inind community bus support for the

01:33:41.679 --> 01:33:43.736
association of former inmates of Nazi

01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.056
concentration camps and ghettos from the

01:33:46.080 --> 01:33:48.135
former Soviet Union. This is such a

01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:49.816
small amount of money. They're asking

01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:52.840
for inind support worth about $200 to

01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:55.880
use our buses so that they can visit um

01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.856
some destinations around Victoria. Um

01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:01.496
it's a really important group that we

01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:03.096
should be so proud to have in our

01:34:03.120 --> 01:34:05.576
municipality. Um and so I think it's a

01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:07.736
really small thing for us to add to the

01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:10.056
poor funding. Um and the additional

01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:11.655
funding um that's being prescribed to

01:34:11.679 --> 01:34:14.679
these projects um is funding that had

01:34:15.120 --> 01:34:17.576
been unallocated and that is part of the

01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:19.976
budget for the community grants. Um so

01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:22.695
we were just going to put that into an

01:34:22.719 --> 01:34:24.856
emergency grants program. There will

01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:26.856
still be funding in the emergency grants

01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:29.655
program of close to $5,000 that people

01:34:29.679 --> 01:34:32.215
can apply for. We didn't expect to have

01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:34.376
anything necessarily in that pool of

01:34:34.400 --> 01:34:36.456
funding. So to have some emergency

01:34:36.480 --> 01:34:39.336
grants of $5,000 available to people is

01:34:39.360 --> 01:34:42.056
still a really positive thing. Um and

01:34:42.080 --> 01:34:44.776
it's not, you know, impacting our budget

01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:47.800
online to include these projects.

01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:50.920
Thank you, Council. Councelor Kares.

01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:53.736
Thank you,

01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.760
Council Healey. Um so this report

01:34:57.280 --> 01:34:59.496
arrives to us sort of like as a

01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:01.976
spreadsheet. Um, but it's one of those

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.296
sort of human documents that we get to

01:35:04.320 --> 01:35:07.016
consider. Um, and it's beautiful going

01:35:07.040 --> 01:35:08.456
through it and even looking at things

01:35:08.480 --> 01:35:10.776
like the senior citizens clubs read like

01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:12.936
this weird map of everyone who's come to

01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:15.096
live here. So, we've got Greek seniors

01:35:15.120 --> 01:35:17.576
from Egypt, the Middle East, , Bosnian

01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:20.456
choir, Japanese, Korean, Latin American,

01:35:20.480 --> 01:35:22.536
Turkish. It's really beautiful because

01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:25.175
it's a true articulation of exactly how

01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.199
multicultural our community is. Um I

01:35:28.320 --> 01:35:30.776
really support the addition of the um

01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:32.856
skate events. Um there's a woman in

01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:35.336
sport component to it, but also I think

01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:37.336
these are really fantastic youth

01:35:37.360 --> 01:35:39.655
activities which encourage economic and

01:35:39.679 --> 01:35:42.215
cultural activation. Um particularly in

01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:44.695
areas like Pan. So I'm really supportive

01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:47.175
of that. Um applicants asked us for

01:35:47.199 --> 01:35:49.175
about $300,000 this year and we're

01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.496
recommending 104. And from what I

01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:53.736
understand from what councelor what um

01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.736
the Mayor has explained to us um before

01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:57.736
is that that pool used to be like one

01:35:57.760 --> 01:35:59.336
half million dollars. So it's it's

01:35:59.360 --> 01:36:01.896
really decreasing quite substantially

01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:03.736
and council's under real financial

01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:05.336
pressure and I really understand that.

01:36:05.360 --> 01:36:08.360
Um but what I I am concerned that um the

01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:10.695
need of these groups isn't shrinking

01:36:10.719 --> 01:36:12.856
even though our grants budgets are. And

01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:14.376
I've spoken to a lot of volunteer

01:36:14.400 --> 01:36:16.615
organizations recently in this area who

01:36:16.639 --> 01:36:18.456
are doing really serious work meeting

01:36:18.480 --> 01:36:21.256
really genuine need and can see that

01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:23.576
without grants their service will not

01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:25.976
shrink. It'll it'll stop. And these

01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:28.056
people are doing it  you know giving

01:36:28.080 --> 01:36:29.655
their time carrying the level

01:36:29.679 --> 01:36:31.416
uncertainty that most would want to see

01:36:31.440 --> 01:36:34.135
in our own working lives. Um we as

01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:35.655
council ask them to do things like

01:36:35.679 --> 01:36:37.655
diversify their funding and ask them to

01:36:37.679 --> 01:36:39.576
look at other delivery models and those

01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:41.816
are really fair asks and some can manage

01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:44.376
it but so we that's can't how they can

01:36:44.400 --> 01:36:46.056
solve all of this. So if our funding

01:36:46.080 --> 01:36:48.776
doesn't keep pace the new no new sources

01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:51.416
appear some of these organizations won't

01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:54.440
survive let alone um exist um and what

01:36:55.360 --> 01:36:57.496
they do won't move somewhere else. It

01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.056
will just stop being done. So you know

01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:01.816
I'm really glad that we're doing these

01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:04.615
grants. Um I'm just feeling a little bit

01:37:04.639 --> 01:37:06.936
anguished I suppose that um we can't do

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:08.936
more and we can't support some of these

01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:10.695
incredible organizations that exist

01:37:10.719 --> 01:37:13.416
within our community um at the same

01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:15.816
level as we have previously. Thank you,

01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.896
councelor Hilly. Other speakers to the

01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.856
motion.

01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.175
Council Hopper, are you happy for me?

01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:24.456
Actually, I just got will make a

01:37:24.480 --> 01:37:26.936
comment. Yes. The budget used to be $1

01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:28.296
and a half million dollars and I always

01:37:28.320 --> 01:37:30.215
said it was the best money we spent

01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:32.695
because it went so far. And we used to

01:37:32.719 --> 01:37:33.976
sit in this chamber. I'm not kidding

01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:35.416
you. There'd be folders and folders and

01:37:35.440 --> 01:37:38.056
folders of the applications and we would

01:37:38.080 --> 01:37:39.816
all go through them and debate them and

01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.296
it was it was almost like a whole budget

01:37:42.320 --> 01:37:44.936
exercise. Again, councelor Davis

01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:47.175
remember those days and um and there was

01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:48.695
a lot of passion because there were so

01:37:48.719 --> 01:37:51.016
many community groups that um and we

01:37:51.040 --> 01:37:53.256
would and we would never even with 1.5

01:37:53.280 --> 01:37:55.175
mean not have enough money. Um the

01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:57.256
groups are shrinking because of there is

01:37:57.280 --> 01:38:00.280
a demog demography

01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:03.336
of our residents. Um some of the old

01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:06.360
groups were losing um a lot of um

01:38:06.719 --> 01:38:08.776
residents that were the foundation of a

01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.800
lot of these groups. Um, but look, you

01:38:12.080 --> 01:38:13.655
know, and I think if it's the debate on

01:38:13.679 --> 01:38:15.016
the congestion limit, I think imagine

01:38:15.040 --> 01:38:17.496
what we could do with $4.1 million in

01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.175
handing it out to the community and arts

01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:21.976
and cultural grants as well as the um

01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:23.336
community grants because I have to also

01:38:23.360 --> 01:38:25.095
add we've now bundled arts and cultural

01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:26.376
grants into that cuz that was in

01:38:26.400 --> 01:38:28.776
addition to the 1.5 million. So, we're

01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:31.800
up about the 2 million mark. But sign of

01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:33.896
the times I guess. Um, but look, I'm

01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:36.456
supportive and it is always a tough

01:38:36.480 --> 01:38:38.376
decision and it's hard for our officers

01:38:38.400 --> 01:38:40.695
who do engage and know a lot of these

01:38:40.719 --> 01:38:41.896
groups because they support them in

01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:44.456
other ways through council. , but look

01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:46.856
um I yeah commend this to council and

01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:48.215
thank you to the councils with those

01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:50.536
additions that um I'm supportive of as

01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:53.256
well. So um over to you um council

01:38:53.280 --> 01:38:56.056
Hopper, I'll put it to the vote.

01:38:56.080 --> 01:38:57.736
Oh, you reserved your right. No. Okay.

01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.416
So I'll put it to the vote. All those in

01:38:59.440 --> 01:39:02.056
favor for the updated um recommendation

01:39:02.080 --> 01:39:04.695
and that motion's carried unanimously.

01:39:04.719 --> 01:39:06.615
Thank you council. We now move to the

01:39:06.639 --> 01:39:08.536
final item of general business community

01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.560
safety and chapter street task force. Do

01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:14.840
I have a move second to extend the task

01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:18.456
force for another 6 months?

01:39:18.480 --> 01:39:21.016
Councelor Hopper, I'll second it.

01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:23.336
Council Hopper, not a lot to say on

01:39:23.360 --> 01:39:26.135
this. Um the community safety and chapel

01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:27.976
street task force was obviously

01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:31.000
established as part of a a significant

01:39:31.280 --> 01:39:33.416
motion that addressed  safety in the

01:39:33.440 --> 01:39:35.095
chapel street precinct but also across

01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:38.119
the municipality. Um myself  councelor

01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:41.960
Healey and the Mayor councelor s  are

01:39:42.639 --> 01:39:44.695
members of the task force as the three

01:39:44.719 --> 01:39:47.175
counselors who represent the um

01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:50.199
immediate chapel street precinct. Um and

01:39:50.639 --> 01:39:53.496
you know it it's been great to hear from

01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.520
representatives of the sector um who

01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:00.135
have been providing feedback and also to

01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:02.536
receive  data and information from

01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:05.560
officers as part of that forum.  we're

01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.215
seeking to extend that forum because

01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:11.239
safety on Chapel Street remains um an

01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:13.496
incredibly important issue to our

01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:16.520
community. um and we're continuing to um

01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.095
adapt and adjust how we are approaching

01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:20.856
that task force and who should be on it

01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:23.416
and how we can best make use of it. So

01:40:23.440 --> 01:40:25.336
extending it will allow us to continue

01:40:25.360 --> 01:40:27.896
to have those important conversations.

01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.920
Excellent. Thank you councelor Hop. Um I

01:40:31.440 --> 01:40:34.440
will now put the motion all those so

01:40:35.280 --> 01:40:36.936
speakers. Oh, I just had a question.

01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.336
Um, regarding the guests listed in terms

01:40:39.360 --> 01:40:41.016
of reference, are smaller traders going

01:40:41.040 --> 01:40:42.456
to be involved? This is only large

01:40:42.480 --> 01:40:45.480
traders listed

01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:48.936
 through through you may certainly

01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:51.960
open um so we're not delineating.

01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:58.135
Thanks for your question. Any other

01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:01.159
comments, questions? No. Um council

01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:04.776
approve to the vote. All those in favor?

01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:06.215
That motion is carried. Thank you.

01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:09.239
Councilors, we now get to the end of

01:41:09.440 --> 01:41:11.576
general business. Um councils, we move

01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:13.175
to correspondence. Are there any items

01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:14.615
for correspondence to table this

01:41:14.639 --> 01:41:17.336
evening?

01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:19.175
There being none, are there any table of

01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:22.199
petitions or letters?

01:41:23.440 --> 01:41:25.256
Councilors. Um there's no notice of

01:41:25.280 --> 01:41:27.095
motion. So we move to reports by

01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:30.119
councilors. 12.1 theor record of the

01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:32.695
informal meeting of councilors.

01:41:32.719 --> 01:41:35.016
 which was held on the 27th of July.

01:41:35.040 --> 01:41:35.736
So moved.

01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.976
Thank you. Council Steph second council

01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:40.776
Davis. Any commentary? No. All those in

01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.800
favor to adopt to receive the record.

01:41:44.639 --> 01:41:47.016
That's carried unanimously. Thank you

01:41:47.040 --> 01:41:48.856
councilors. We now go to questions to

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:50.536
council officers. And there any

01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:52.215
questions to council officers this

01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:55.175
evening? Councelor Humphre.

01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:58.199
Thanks. Um given the recent two 

01:41:59.360 --> 01:42:01.976
attempted assaults in the Gardener Creek

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.536
precinct, are council considering any

01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:06.615
safety based measures including lighting

01:42:06.639 --> 01:42:09.639
in the area

01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:11.416
through you may I'll take that on

01:42:11.440 --> 01:42:13.175
notice. Um on the off the top of my

01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:16.199
head, no, not directly.  but I'm not

01:42:16.400 --> 01:42:18.215
I've not privy to all the discussions

01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:20.936
that we have at officer level. So take

01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.256
it on notice.

01:42:23.280 --> 01:42:25.976
And another question. Oh, I pick up one

01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:26.536
if you want.

01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:27.816
No, it's all right. If you've passed

01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.056
through any other questions, councilors,

01:42:30.080 --> 01:42:31.976
right, councilors, now there's any items

01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.296
of urgent business. There being none,

01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:35.816
are there any items of general business

01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.135
this evening?

01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:39.175
There being none, there's no

01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:41.496
confidential business. So, I now move to

01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:43.336
formally declare this council meeting

01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:46.360
closed at 8:43 p.m. this evening. And

01:42:46.719 --> 01:42:48.695
thank you to members of our gallery for

01:42:48.719 --> 01:42:51.416
joining us. Got a cheers there. And for

01:42:51.440 --> 01:42:52.856
those online that have joined us this

01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:54.296
evening, had a wonderful rest of the

01:42:54.320 --> 01:42:55.896
week. Hopefully it starts to get a bit

01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:58.776
warmer. Um and um yeah, looking forward

01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:01.576
to um seeing the rest of you at the next

01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:04.600
meeting. Thank you everyone.